Of course you were bad the whole time. I'm glad I was paranoid enough to suspect you a few phases ago.Spacedaisy wrote:DFaraday
Well.
Coin flip it is.
timmer
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Of course you were bad the whole time. I'm glad I was paranoid enough to suspect you a few phases ago.Spacedaisy wrote:DFaraday
Ok butDFaraday wrote:The way I see it going:Scotty wrote:Wait, isn't this game 2v2 right now? How is this game still going? Didn't we already lose?
No more PRs. We lynch timmer, assuming the other baddie in DF and SD don't choose to Make it a 2-2 tie and flip a coin. Then it's 1-1 tomorrow. Is this all predicated on missing the night kill?
As far as I know there's no possible way Jessica Jones and Kilgrave haven't died, since all kills are revealed.
We lynch Timmer
Baddie kills one of us tonight
Last baddie vs. last civvie next day
I'm not sure why the baddies aren't going for a tie this time though. It seems like that would afford them the best defense since then they'd have a 50% chance of winning in this phase, whereas lynching Timmer means they definitely have to wait until next day phase.
Oh wait I'm not dead.Scotty wrote:Rezz pls
Elo seems like the consensus read here, and I can see my suspicion, but I would suggest my biggest suspicion should come from early defending of timmer and my tunnel on INH. NOT pushing a Wilgy lynch. Why is Wilgy so civ to you? How civ would you rank him on a scale of 1-10, 1 being bad and 10 being Epi?DFaraday wrote:From what I've gleaned through a quick look over the thread, I would be most supportive of an Elo or Scotty lynch. Elo, for bandwagoning, and Scotty for trying to push a Wilgy lynch. I don't see any reason for Wilgy to be up for lynching. DDL looks good to me right now as well. Daisy is reading very neutral to me, like usual.
Oh, now suddenly you "would be willing to vote" Wilgy if the majority decides to? What changed your mind, o leaf in the wind?DFaraday wrote:I agree with this. We need to be on the same page at this point.Scotty wrote:There's a metric button of stagnation this game and I don't know if that should make me feel good or bad. Is this LyLo, assuming there is no doc in play?
I know who I want to vote, but want to hear from others so we can consolidate and not make the wrong decision.
I was already suspicious of Elo, and that feeling is bolstered by Epi's case. I would be more keen on lynching Elo at this point, since if I understand correctly, if Timmer is Kilgrave he would survive again. I'm not sure about Wilgy at this point, but would be willing to vote there if the majority decides to (not something I like doing, but the numbers are tight right now).
EBWOP: Pretty much what I said above. If you're not the third baddie, I'm considering Scotty. I guess everyone else is civ to me.
Day 2:DrWilgy wrote:Let's have an excersize,
Mafia team is ___________,
If not, its _____________.
I'll start.
Mafia team is Timmer, INH, Eloh,
If not, its Timmer, Sriracha, Daisy.
Wilgy, do you think it could still be a combo of DF and Daisy, or Daisy and Elo? Or Elo and Daisy?DrWilgy wrote:I too like Daisy's megapost.Scotty wrote:Just reread Spacedaisy's big meaty sausage of a post.
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She might be on to something with INH. I formally would like to nominate her for civ grand wizard. and president of the United States plz
Wilgy
Scotty
DDL
Daisy
Epi
Sriracha
INH
Eloh 2.0
Timmer
I'm going to wait for 7 hours and then vote. INH, Eloh, I would like full reads on all the players that are alive. If you are civ, convince me of your reads. I believe we are a day away from Lylo if this is a mislynch.
DrWilgy wrote:At this rate Eloh.Scotty wrote:Wilgy, who you gonna vote for?DrWilgy wrote:Zebra friend how much time is left before eod?
We are at do or die, and Eloh has actively stated she doesn't care.
This gives us one of 2 options, we vote eloh and hope she is bad, or we someone else and IF they are bad the tie will be split by a Eloh who is coin flipping (that is if she's civ).
This plus a previous hankering that she was bad has me wanting to put a vote down for her.
Hey Scotty, who do you wanna vote for?
As I've said, Elo. But if you were bad, is throwing her under the bus the best move now? I'm very nervous again that you and SD are bad. Both of you have flashed civ all game- you are the most talkative, SD has made some pretty thorough cases, but I can't help but shake off that my suspicion of both of you is why I'm still alive.Scotty wrote:And as predicted, DDL ded.
In RE: Epi's post concerning timmer-
As a baddie, is timmer usually so combative/distancing against his own team this early? His dueling with Wilgy there after Wilgy calls him out does seem genuine. But then if timmer is bad, then it doesn't matter. All the world's a stage. I don't know why timmer's still pushing the charade that you're bad.
Epi, I see that you are also curious about Elo. She has been a sure-fire Lady shrugs-a-lot since subbing in, and has been on both DDL's and SD's radar.
If we had to lynch someone just based on what's in the thread, I would propose Elo>Wilgy>SD>everyone else.
o rly? What is this, the Spanish Inquisition? People that show dissent are defacto bad in your eyes?DrWilgy wrote:So a thought that can't be validated by anyone other than me that I should share nonetheless, anyone who is "wrong" at this point has a much greater chance of being bad.
Those who think I'm bad and who are wanting to push my option of a lynch are looking to likely be a baddie.
Scotty, are you on a team with Timmer?
If so, are you on a team with Eloh?
WIFOM: *butt-tonScotty wrote:There's a metric button of stagnation this game and I don't know if that should make me feel good or bad. Is this LyLo, assuming there is no doc in play?
I know who I want to vote, but want to hear from others so we can consolidate and not make the wrong decision.
Wilgy, who you gonna vote for?DrWilgy wrote:Zebra friend how much time is left before eod?
Who are your teammates.timmer wrote:Exactly.
Yes, and I'll ask again- any observations or thoughts about the game that you would like to report?Elohcin wrote:I have been busy. I just got home. I thought I'd see what I was missing out on in Mafia. But, it looks like not much. The night hasn't even ended! SO, I guess that is good news.
I've said why I think Wilgy would make a notable lynch, but I've viewed him as a bumbling civ all game. At this point, I'm getting paranoid that the big talkers and swingers- the ones actually pushing cases- can be misconstrued as baddie hunting and are actually purposefully leading us astray.DFaraday wrote:From what I've gleaned through a quick look over the thread, I would be most supportive of an Elo or Scotty lynch. Elo, for bandwagoning, and Scotty for trying to push a Wilgy lynch. I don't see any reason for Wilgy to be up for lynching. DDL looks good to me right now as well. Daisy is reading very neutral to me, like usual.
The point of contention here is this is that we're getting verily close to LyLo so we may not have another day. "Just letting you live" is not a tactic we can afford, unfortunately. No doubt you're having a long week- I am too. I just think that where I am good, you are bad.Elohcin wrote:So I should randomize instead of bandwagon? I always felt if I randomize then my vote means nothing. If I bandwagon, I am putting my faith in the work the other civs have done. That's how I see it anyway.insertnamehere wrote:This is why I will always advocate randomization.Elohcin wrote:so, I am overwhelmed and cannot think clearly today. I have been blessed beyond what I could ever think or imagine and mafia is low on my list, sorry. SO....I am bandwagoning. I haven't been keeping up.
I'd like to switch Scotty and Elo's rankings on my read list.
I can't hold a thought in my head these days! I'm overwhelmed! And it's the weekend so I am trying not to go crazy waiting to hear back from our mortgage lender. Just let me live until things settle down here and the final offer on the house is in writing. I will be a better participant then. I don't even really know what you guys think you have on me!?Scotty wrote:Agreed.DrWilgy wrote:Did we know about Kilgrave at the time INH?
Also the fact that INH thought votes were changable when that post was made makes me feel alittle better.
I also think that if INH flips bad, it may not be a bad idea like you said to murk Sorsha. I think Elo has more going against her however, like this late bandwagon vote.
Lol yeah I hope INH replaces one of the deadiesa2thezebra wrote:Actually hey INH, would you be down to replace Sorsha? Or any other deadies?
Agreed.DrWilgy wrote:Did we know about Kilgrave at the time INH?
Also the fact that INH thought votes were changable when that post was made makes me feel alittle better.
Woah she be married, sailor. Put your tongue away, ye scaliwag!DrWilgy wrote:The rules change every dayScotty wrote:It doesn't, people have been doing it all game without penalty. Hell, some people haven't even underlined at all. This is just Wilgy being Wilgy.Spacedaisy wrote:LMAO. I didn't realize that it mattered if I didn't spell it out completely. So to set your mind at ease..DrWilgy wrote:I'm going to campaign against both Daisy and Scotty for not spelling out inh's full name underlined.Scotty wrote:Oh shit. SorryDrWilgy wrote:If INH flips bad, I'll lynch Scotty for not underlining his name.Scotty wrote:Holla
INh
INH
insertnamehere
Now does this phase end tomorrow or did it already end?![]()
<3 <3 u2 Daisy!!
It doesn't, people have been doing it all game without penalty. Hell, some people haven't even underlined at all. This is just Wilgy being Wilgy.Spacedaisy wrote:LMAO. I didn't realize that it mattered if I didn't spell it out completely. So to set your mind at ease..DrWilgy wrote:I'm going to campaign against both Daisy and Scotty for not spelling out inh's full name underlined.Scotty wrote:Oh shit. SorryDrWilgy wrote:If INH flips bad, I'll lynch Scotty for not underlining his name.Scotty wrote:Holla
INh
INH
insertnamehere
Oh shit. SorryDrWilgy wrote:If INH flips bad, I'll lynch Scotty for not underlining his name.Scotty wrote:Holla
INh
Make sure you actually vote in the pollDrWilgy wrote:INH
Spacedaisy wrote:Scotty had this quasi-defense of timmer, but then followed it up with:Scotty wrote:Okie dokie. Good try, MM.
So we still know nothing of Epi's alignment except if he is bad he has to be Kilgrave. Whoever that is.
I don't want to jump on timmer just yet, but I would fathom that in no way is he Kilgrave.
Let's look at this logically. Would zebra give a bad timmer the ability to lynch stop AND have a baddie that can't die until his minions are dead? I think that's overkill in favor of he baddies. I think timmer is a civvie role.
For all intents and purposes, in this heist game, we've basically already been given info on all 3 power roles, and none of them are protective or investigative. MM was our vigi, timmer could stop a lynch (maybe just his own) and the baddie godfather is fucking lynch proof until the others die before him. I almost feel Kilgrave is TOO OP in this small game, and therefore (now that I've typed out this logic) that we must assume timmer is civ. This is going to turn into simple deduction at this point.
Timmer, would you feel comfortable saying who your role is?
Yes. Do you have anything else to add to discussion, fair Elo?Elohcin wrote:DF was killed AND MM is dead?
after DDL pointed out the flaw in his logic. I really think this was just mistake, but it's not the first time he has soft defended timmer:Scotty wrote:Ohhhhhh I just blundered in my logic. Damned morning logic before coffee.
Timmer could very well be Kilgrave. Sorry bout that, DDL.
Basically ignore what I just said defending timmer. He's definitely scum.
well, technically I posted that less than a minute after, but I came to that on my own before reading his response. Sort of like how I'm now remembering I literally just posted that I assumed Epi had to be one of the non-lynch proof baddies which is the complete opposite of what I meant. I just shouldn't mafia in the morning. I need to peeAgain, I don't feel sold on his being bad though, just not as confident on his being civ as I am about you and Epi.Scotty wrote:See, I saw it as a person that knew they were going to be looked at as civ on the flip, and not necessarily an actual civ. I think he knew he was going to survive, and because the roles are hidden, his anonymity is a strong boon for his game. I know it would be if he were bad, shoving blame at Wilgy.indiglo wrote:@ timmer - Are you surprised you survived the lynch? Do you know why you survived?
The way timmer was posting after the poll was closed and before the post went up struck me as very civ, off hand. But hearing from him about it will be helpful.
Granted, I'm feeling less than great about the prospects of Wilgy being civ.
Whether timmer is a civ or mafia aligned, he is definitely a power role. The other option is a possible 3rd party lynch pardon, but that would be a wasteful use on day 1 without info and I'm willing to rule that out completely.
i totally did defend him because I found the prospect of a baddie being lynchproof silly and timmer looked authentically annoyed with how it went down. Oh man I need to pee..stupid car rides
Yep, I took a little nap and just woke up and realize that I already pointed out to myself that if Epi is bad, he has to be one of the non-lynch proof baddies. But then I was still following my old logic that timmer was a civ lynch stopper. Epi would most surely be dead if he were bad, so yes, he is confirmed civ assuming Mm shot him.Spacedaisy wrote:Assuming Epi really was MM's target, I can't see why anyone would still suspect him at this point. I mean the most likely reason he would not have died is because he is civ, given the fact we have already seen timmer survive a lynch and the most likely explanation of that is Kilgrave.
Given this I don't see any reason to keep him on my baddie reads. Elo was on there because I felt like she was defending Epi. Can someone outline their suspicion of her now?
I still see INH as a likely timmer teammate. Three reasons. First he randomized timmer on Day 1. If timmer was likely to survive a lynch and he knew it, best thing to do is distance early. Second, he pushed hard the idea that Wilgy was bad for voting timmer after he himself voted timmer. He went for the low hanging fruit IMO. Third, the question about pardoning still stands out to me, it seems like an unusual way to ask a pretty normal question.
I would revise my reads (this time in rainbow list) as follows:
Epi
Wilgy
Scotty
DDL
Sorsha
Elo
INH
timmer
Scotty and DDL have both made a couple blunders in the last 24 hours that have raised my eyebrow, so I dropped them a bit. I believe they are most likely civ just making a mistake but I don't feel as confident in my civ read of them as I do about Epi and Wilgy right now. Sorsha is orange by POE at the moment. If my civ reads are right, anyway.
This is what I was gonna say. But I'm still open to suggestions and can change my mind.DrWilgy wrote:Baddie team is: Timmer, INH and Elo 2.0
Yo @Elo: what are your current thoughts on Epi, and maybe could you explain/reveal why he made a suspicious early vote on day 1? You said maybe later, and its later.Elohcin wrote:Do you know nothing about me? Do you really think I know the name of the game I am talking about. If only games had faces...then I could describe what it looked like or pick it out of a line-up for sure.Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Are you talking about Red vs Blue or a different game?
this is unhelpfulYeah, if I am rather busy and and cannot really participate anyway. If I signed up b/c he asked me to in order to get the game started and the que rolling. Then he might kill me right off and put me out of my misery. BUT, this is a tiny game, and I love it. I have lots of work this week, but I'm not drowning. He knows I very much enjoy small games. So I am not too sure that he would kill me night 1. A the time, I just thought it was weird that he voted so quickly and without reason. But I think he is just overwhelmed with other things maybe. Like I said, we have a lot going on in RL right now.Scotty wrote:
Elo, would a bad Epi normally kill you off if he knew you were on to him day 1?
I remember being on a baddie team with him once where he said he would rather end your time on the game if you had a lot on your plate and mafia was only getting in the way (paraphrasing, but he general idea is there). Do you think this constitutes?
So in the same paragraph she admits that he would hypothetically kill her if she were busy, and admits that she is busy, but not too busy, so she doesnt know if he would kill her. She then throws a small shard of shade at him for his quick voting as if she might suspect him, but then uses the excuses that they're both busy. I'm not even sure what the moral to the story is. 'He could be bad, but he maybe could be good I dunno?'I think I have come to this conclusion myself as well. I think I know why he may have done it. I cannot reveal it at this time, I don't think. But perhaps later. As for now...I am not looking hard at him. I am having a hard time deciding who I don't trust. Wilgy would be top of my list just b/c of responses and overall tone...but of course I have shared this before. I think I can trust Scotty this game. Timmer is being helpful and I think I can trust him. DF, though he hasn't posted a whole lot seems civ to me. Heck maybe Epi was right and indiglo is bad. Or possibly one of the baddies is a low poster.DFaraday wrote:
I also don't see why Epi should necessarily be suspicious for his early, reasonless vote. It's not like he has a track record of doing that as a baddie. I don't feel civ about him per se, but that vote alone isn't enough to ping me.
@Daisy....have fun with your guest. Anyone we know?
and here she reaffirms that Epi probably isn't bad, and continues to be ambiguous in answering "I think I know why he may have done it" but won't share with the class..![]()
Trusts Wilgy. Trusts me. Trusts timmer. Trusts DF. Trusts Epi so much that she votes off indiglo from the island.
Lol yeah, and if there were 2 lynch stopping players it would be hugely unbalanced anyway. There's still another Pr out there. Maybe doc?Dragon D. Luffy wrote:You are overcomplicating it. There is only one ability: it makes Timmer completely immortal until his teammates are dead.
Yes. Do you have anything else to add to discussion, fair Elo?Elohcin wrote:DF was killed AND MM is dead?
Nah, there's always something to analyze. And I'm sure that's not all. Wilgy even said he jumped on Epi over INH. And I see DF placed a vote there too. Did he say why?Metalmarsh89 wrote:There's not much to analyze in yesterday's poll. I think timmer took like 2 votes?Scotty wrote:still in Canada. So far removed from the election. I might stay here lololol
Uh why can we still vote?
I see indi died. Rip. Is there a poll thread somewhere, for I'm assuming the final tally didn't look like it does now.
Based on this outcome, I still feel INH is bad, and MM may be his teammate.
But I have no polls to analyze. So...no real case but gut reads.
Where is everyone? It's like the Wilgy show (a cousin to the Itchy and Scratchy Show). And I don't see Wilgy as bad right now.
Literally tone. The way he has responded to you and the syntax he uses. Not a lot to go on, but I think I'm right nonetheless.DrWilgy wrote:I'm not sure... Though I lost that game, I don't think I'll ever have such a spectacular performance.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Where are you at Wilgysy? Who's gonna get licked this game?
@Scotty I think the only difference in final day poll was the fact that I changed from INH to Epi.
What makes you feel good about me Scotty? I'll ask again if you have explained your inh suspicion.