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by Scotty
Sat Mar 22, 2025 12:33 pm
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S~V~S wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 11:11 am @Scotty did you connect my numbers I didn’t know what they did, with your powers you had no control over?

That’s why I outed my number thing, I was hoping someone would *know* or guess the point of it and kinda hint back. So some kind of coordination could be done. Just sending numbers was dull and random. I was hoping to find a way to use them, not just randomly pick them.
I had no idea, nor did I think that would be an option. When Epi posted my role description at end game, he included the numbers 2-12 which is painfully obvious now, but my role description just listed my abilities with no numbers or indication it was linked to anything. The only one I ever realized went through was LC’s silencing, as I targeted him. Here I was like ooooh, maybe I gave Wilgy something. Maybe I protected Michelle last night!

Nope, just vanilla with you dead.
by Scotty
Sat Mar 22, 2025 12:52 am
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☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:47 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:39 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:36 pm Other fun fact I knew my check on Thunal was not clearing but I thought if I acted like it was the mafia would just confirm it for me if I was right lol

But the role SOUNDED pretty towny
I wanted to make roles that were opposite of what you would expect.

pyxxy could gain BTSC - usually a civilian role - but pyxxy had awful luck using the role.
DarlingMonroe has a mass role block that couldn't stop the kill.
Scotty had a silence that he couldn't control and Long Con doubled.

Etc.

Role madness.

I do not want people to assume roles = aslgnment.

But yes, Thunal33's role was a good guy role.
Yeah that's kinda what I thought and so I figured my check wasn't super powerful but I thought hey if I make it SEEM powerful and I create an IC they will kill them for me and maybe kill me to
You exude an undeniable confidence in your play. :beer:
It's fake confidence but I'm pretty good at faking confidence
All confidence is fake! It’s forgetting it’s fake that makes it real
by Scotty
Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:21 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [ENDGAME]

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:11 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:59 pm
Scotty wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:10 pm Huh. Well then.

Gg sprit! I’m working on processing this, but this one feels particularly rough based on the effort and calculated risk. I really didn’t think there was any way any role would be able to win with this many people remaining.

So

huh
I think the way spirit went from its okay if you kill me on the previous day to

Oh no keep me alive no don't kill me and fighting tooth and nail to survive was a pretty obvious sign they were going to win but I wasn't able to really articulate why we always needed to kill them there in all worlds
So like if I can't convince people to follow me or why I'm seeing something that's on me really

I think that's my biggest point of failure in mafia really
No, your point was strong abbi. It’s not a failure. And If I didn’t have a confirmed red check I would be absolutely considering sprit yesterday and probably have followed solely on the lack of certainty. I take blame for not accounting for the possibility that sprit would also count towards his threshold?. The stars absolutely aligned for his win, and it just feels like I bet on red and black, when the ball landed on double 00; at the end of the day, we only know what we know.

And I’ll use this as a lesson to always yeet confirmed 3p’s.
by Scotty
Fri Mar 21, 2025 9:05 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [ENDGAME]

Epignosis wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 9:01 pm
Scotty wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:56 pm
Epignosis wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:48 pm
Scotty wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:45 pm Ok, I am looking more closely and can see how some of these roles complement each other.

Sorry all, I’m just unusually salty because of how much effort I put into the game and it felt like nothing I did mattered. I’ll get over it. Thanks for the game, Epi.
You're always tops with me, Scotty. I went over this setup fourteen times. I do get how from one side it can initially seem off.
This is just the nature of role madness sometimes and I love role madness.

That being said,
I think my biggest beef is in my role and the presentation of said role, and it’s coloring my opinion of everything else.

To say ‘you do these things every night and one of those effects will occur’ implies I actually do shit. To learn that SVS is in control of that is another thing. If I had learned we were linked when she died, and my role was essentially VT, that would feel better, rather than realizing on the backend I was doing nothing the whole time gave me a false sense of mech knowledge and it feels a bit underhanded.

anyway, I’ll get over it.
I had indeed considered that!

But there was still a tracker in play, so I still had you send in a target even though it did nothing.

If Michelle had seen you targeting a murdered player, that would have made her go after you.

That was one way to balance the game further with the Cable the Sim roles being super powerful.
I understand, just voicing my feeling as the player. Even though it fits on paper doesn’t mean it’s a particularly fun feeling
by Scotty
Fri Mar 21, 2025 9:00 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [ENDGAME]

Epignosis wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:49 pm And the Scotty-LC BTSC dynamic was the most amazing aspect of this game.
We’re going on tour in select Canadian provinces. The llama to my salt lick. The Gaston to my Maurice.

Truly was a game within a game, that chat lol
by Scotty
Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:56 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [ENDGAME]

Epignosis wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:48 pm
Scotty wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:45 pm Ok, I am looking more closely and can see how some of these roles complement each other.

Sorry all, I’m just unusually salty because of how much effort I put into the game and it felt like nothing I did mattered. I’ll get over it. Thanks for the game, Epi.
You're always tops with me, Scotty. I went over this setup fourteen times. I do get how from one side it can initially seem off.
This is just the nature of role madness sometimes and I love role madness.

That being said,
I think my biggest beef is in my role and the presentation of said role, and it’s coloring my opinion of everything else.

To say ‘you do these things every night and one of those effects will occur’ implies I actually do shit. To learn that SVS is in control of that is another thing. If I had learned we were linked when she died, and my role was essentially VT, that would feel better, rather than realizing on the backend I was doing nothing the whole time gave me a false sense of mech knowledge and it feels a bit underhanded.

anyway, I’ll get over it.
by Scotty
Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:47 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [ENDGAME]

nutella wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:44 pm
sprityo wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:12 pm
Scotty wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:10 pm Huh. Well then.

Gg sprit! I’m working on processing this, but this one feels particularly rough based on the effort and calculated risk. I really didn’t think there was any way any role would be able to win with this many people remaining.

So

huh
And realistically if mafia had killed any of my marks (porscha, Abby, cape90) then I would not have won.

It was literally because you had died that enabled my win
so funny mafia was killing porscha on the night LC redirected it

also abbi was the kill n1 that he blocked, scotty was never saved
Woah. This is wild information and wild kills!

I don’t think these scenarios happen in this capacity again if we do this game 50 more times. Twas truly a unicorn of an ending lol
by Scotty
Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:45 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [ENDGAME]

Ok, I am looking more closely and can see how some of these roles complement each other.

Sorry all, I’m just unusually salty because of how much effort I put into the game and it felt like nothing I did mattered. I’ll get over it. Thanks for the game, Epi.
by Scotty
Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:34 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [ENDGAME]

DrWilgy wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:24 pm
Scotty wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:23 pm
Epignosis wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:16 pm I'm working, so anything I say here will be spotty for a couple of hours.

pyxxy and Wilgy were the remaining ones.
Oh whaaaaaa 3 mafia in this game?

Holy shit, that’s crazy. Like…everything points to only 3. 4 seems wildly unbalanced with these town roles holy shit
I think accidentally sniping TSP was kinda cracked.
Mafia had a built in delayed auto kill that seemingly wasn’t blockable, while we had about 6 roles that could block, which could have disrupted TSP even if he had lived to use his power. Tack on 2 different 3p’s, it was a bit wolf sided

Not that it mattered
by Scotty
Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:23 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [ENDGAME]

Epignosis wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:16 pm I'm working, so anything I say here will be spotty for a couple of hours.

pyxxy and Wilgy were the remaining ones.
Oh whaaaaaa 3 mafia in this game?

Holy shit, that’s crazy. Like…everything points to only 3. 4 seems wildly unbalanced with these town roles holy shit
by Scotty
Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:21 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [ENDGAME]

pyxxy wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:15 pm
Scotty wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:14 pm So,,,who was mafia?
at least I get to make this post now

:werewolf: :werewolf: :werewolf: :werewolf: :werewolf:
So my solve was right! Well that feels better at least.
by Scotty
Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:20 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [ENDGAME]

sprityo wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:12 pm
Scotty wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:10 pm Huh. Well then.

Gg sprit! I’m working on processing this, but this one feels particularly rough based on the effort and calculated risk. I really didn’t think there was any way any role would be able to win with this many people remaining.

So

huh
And realistically if mafia had killed any of my marks (porscha, Abby, cape90) then I would not have won.

It was literally because you had died that enabled my win
Woohoo

I think the crux of my frustration is my lack of agency. If I’m told I’m vanilla, great. I’ll do my best and solve with limited knowledge. But no one was vanilla. If I’m told I’m a power role in a role madness game, great. Then to learn that my role is a 12-pronged joat where I have no agency on what I do with my power? Ok, that’s annoying, but at least I’m doing something maybe. Now to learn even further that not only did I not have agency to pick what I do, I’ve been shooting blanks since SVS died because she determines my abilities? That feels real bad. It appears the only power I used in this game was silencing Long Con and Abbi. Pretty negative utility lol.

But I appreciate the BTSC I had with pyxxy and especially Long Con. Even tho it amounted to nothing. Yall were great.
by Scotty
Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:14 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [ENDGAME]

So,,,who was mafia?
by Scotty
Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:14 pm
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I have so many thoughts, but I don’t think they’ll amount to anything positively consequential.

So for now, I will go to statistics and point out that this is the second time in a row GoC was one by a single independent! So that’s neat. Fitting that it was a role from leetic’s game, as he won as the SK last year.
by Scotty
Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:10 pm
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Huh. Well then.

Gg sprit! I’m working on processing this, but this one feels particularly rough based on the effort and calculated risk. I really didn’t think there was any way any role would be able to win with this many people remaining.

So

huh
by Scotty
Thu Mar 20, 2025 8:01 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

Michelle wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 8:01 pm
Scotty wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 7:58 pm I swear to god if there’s another mafia role that eats another town ima be pissed
It's just a game :shrug:
You’re just a game :cloud9:
by Scotty
Thu Mar 20, 2025 7:58 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

I swear to god if there’s another mafia role that eats another town ima be pissed
by Scotty
Thu Mar 20, 2025 7:57 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

Michelle wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 7:56 pm Regarding Cape, I know his wolf play can deceive easily.
He is too experienced to make so many mistakes imo, unless he is trying to become derp cleared on purpose.
He could vote Nut earlier, but he did it when it was already clear she will flip.
I guess? I just didn’t see that in the games he quoted. There’s soooo much stumbling over skateboards and stepping on legos in the playroom
by Scotty
Thu Mar 20, 2025 7:51 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

Michelle wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 7:47 pm
Scotty wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 4:11 pm
Michelle wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:51 pm [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine
Why did we do this?
Falcon's wagon is big enough and to let the possibility of a switch in case wilgy's math is right.

I didn't know if I can wake up or not
Mmmmmm I like it, yes.

Also, I foresee the strong possibility that mafia might kill you to take one of sprit’s targets away and make us deal with him.

And for that I’m sorry if it is the case.
by Scotty
Thu Mar 20, 2025 7:50 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

DrWilgy wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 7:46 pm Either way we are playing with multiple unknowns still.
Absolutely. It occurs to me that having a mafia-siding 3p isn’t out of the realm of possibilities, and I’m operating under the notion that sprit doesn’t have our best intentions at heart, but the math doesn’t math that he just wins tonight in any form of role I’ve ever seen
by Scotty
Thu Mar 20, 2025 7:48 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

I’m not nervous of dying tonite, so I’ll talk more tomorrow, but yall; don’t get off track if I’m silenced or strong armed or whatever.
If sprityo needs to go tomorrow when he’s still alive, that’s probably the time to kill him.

Then after that, if I die, please follow poe
by Scotty
Thu Mar 20, 2025 7:44 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

I’m still willing to roll the dice on falcon here
It’s a calculated risk.

8 players going into night, 6v1v1

At most, sprityo has marked 3 people, AND mafia may even overlap. If he is successful, AND mafia happen to kill a different town, and he doesn’t just ALSO kill a mafia (which would be even closer for us) we are down to 2 v 1 v 1 at worst. That’s already highly unlikely, but let’s say that happens, we’re in lylo? Maybe? Yeet mafia, sprit probably has no NK, (and THAT is a near certainty in design if he is an arsonist) so then it’s still 2:1 going into the day after, as he probably can’t mark and kill in the same night.

I think there’s too many variables and yall are overthinking this
by Scotty
Thu Mar 20, 2025 7:36 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

sprityo wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 7:16 pm Not to be that guy, but don’t roles in GoC typically do a “one from each setup” type of deal? And thunal was already from fallout mafia
I wouldn’t look to that as an indicator.

Trust me on that
by Scotty
Thu Mar 20, 2025 6:39 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

DrWilgy wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 12:28 pm If someone wants REAL homework, one could review previous games from the year to see if there's literally anything that'd warrant an arsonist type effect, but that's too much effort for me.
So there’s this terrifying role from Fallout New Vegas:
Demo Man (Arsonist)

During each night phase, you may elect to either mark, detonate, or clean. If you choose to mark, you will select any player. That player will be marked. Your marks can be prevented by blocking abilities. If you choose to detonate, all living players who have been marked will be exploded (killed). This may not be prevented by any means other than commuting (your detonation cannot be blocked or protected). You may choose to detonate multiple times during the game. If you choose to clean, you will select a previously marked player. That player will no longer be marked.

Separately, once during the game during any night phase, you may elect to commute. You will be immune to all night actions targeted upon you during that phase.

To win the game, you must be the sole survivor (or reach 1:1 parity with the civilians). If you reach 1:1 parity with the mafia, any remaining mechanics will dictate a winner. If the remaining mechanics result in a draw, you will be the winner.
What’s terrifying is that it matches a few things that sprityo has claimed:
-marking
-‘commuting’ is a lot like ‘bullet proof vest’

Though devils advocate, all of Epi’s devised roles thus far I don’t feel like have been direct rips from other games. More like homages.

But to answer your question, this was a possible role in a game this past year
by Scotty
Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:49 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

pyxxy wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:32 pm I'm pretty conflicted

I trust mech and math and Wilgy's post is pretty clear math

however I think Scotty's math about us having 1 more night makes sense

so we kill Falcon and come back tomorrow

I don't trust Abby

I think Porscha is town now based on Falcon's iso
My hope is that flipping falcon will give us some mech info to shed some light on your silence.
by Scotty
Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:22 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

Scotty wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:21 pm I don’t think I learned anything amazong from cape’s MU wolf games. That hydra one was not conclusive, but I guess if there’s any takeaways from what I read in the second one:

-that game seemed cleaner than what we’re seeing in cape here. The cape here is making some baffling leaps and mech mistakes that stand out. Would cape continue to make such baffling mistakes?
-he bussed his partner and it didn’t work out, and he regretted it. This was last month.

The bussing is inconclusive. Nutella is a bad example, as mafia wanted her dead and would want a busser for cred.
I do feel like it’s still a point in his favor that he boxes his poe into Porscha/falcon and voted for falcon before I outed my info. This is a risky play if falcon is his last partner. This would also track for a town cape that seemingly has info on a bad falcon from his vague postal pigeon

Bumping cape down.

Revisiting Michelle.
Sorry, meant bumping cape down on my POE

Currently still leaning pyxxy >>> Porscha/michelle >>> cape
As the solve
by Scotty
Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:21 pm
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I don’t think I learned anything amazong from cape’s MU wolf games. That hydra one was not conclusive, but I guess if there’s any takeaways from what I read in the second one:

-that game seemed cleaner than what we’re seeing in cape here. The cape here is making some baffling leaps and mech mistakes that stand out. Would cape continue to make such baffling mistakes?
-he bussed his partner and it didn’t work out, and he regretted it. This was last month.

The bussing is inconclusive. Nutella is a bad example, as mafia wanted her dead and would want a busser for cred.
I do feel like it’s still a point in his favor that he boxes his poe into Porscha/falcon and voted for falcon before I outed my info. This is a risky play if falcon is his last partner. This would also track for a town cape that seemingly has info on a bad falcon from his vague postal pigeon

Bumping cape down.

Revisiting Michelle.
by Scotty
Thu Mar 20, 2025 4:16 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

And I hope to reread some of cape’s previous wolf game
by Scotty
Thu Mar 20, 2025 4:16 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

FWIW Wilgy, LC was townreading you going into N4 and talked me back into townreading you.

I still don’t feel the wolf vibe from Michelle or Porscha. I just don’t.

My POE feels like pyxxy/cape at this point in time.
by Scotty
Thu Mar 20, 2025 4:11 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

Michelle wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:51 pm [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine
Why did we do this?
by Scotty
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

DrWilgy wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 12:26 pm Just thinking about timeline

Sprit has had 4 opportunities to target and we've got 9 left

thinking along the lines of 3 or 2 remaining wolves, anything else seems unreasonable unless we missed something critical.

1. If Sprit is an arsonist, and triggers we'll be left with 4 after both trigger + yeet. 3 if there's still a nk.

Depending on the win condition we can just lose here to both 3p and wolves if there are 2 remaining after falcon.

2. If Sprit is lying about just targets, Sprit could potentially be removed from the game this cycle.

Leaving us with 7, 6 if there's a nk. Resulting in one of:
7:2, 6:2
7:1, 6:1

3. If Sprit isn't lying about anything, Sprit doesn't leave after this cycle and we are at
8:2, 7:2
8:1, 7:1

4. Lastly we opt to remove sprit
8:3, 7:3
8:2, 7:2
Then we remove Falc
7:2, 6:2, 5:2
7:1, 6:1, 5:1

So ultimately best case scenario Sprit just isn't lying, however worst case scenario can result in a loss if we don't remove this cycle.

I don't think we play to that, and removing falcon now is optimal. This would also cover the nightmare scenario of there being 4 wolves left, but that seems like it'd be absolutely bonkers.

I guess I'm just worried about losing to an unknowable 3p when we don't have to. If we remove Sprit now we are still +1 again assuming not 4. I assume we'll not dodge NKs with our protectives gone so we'll likely always be in the rightmost column ratio.

tl:dr removing sprit now is still the safest assuming there's not 4 wolves or another multi kill. It's probably unnecessary until we reassess tomorrow UNLESS everything has gone correct for sprit.
So to play devils advocate here:

I’m operating under the assumption that there are 2 wolves left, as balance would imply. In a vaccuum based on Nutella’s role, that is a free kill if that role gets yeeted, so it adds a bit to mafia’s favor.

If you think there are 3 wolves left, we most DEFINITELY should kill a wolf here. Especially for the chance that sprit doesn’t count towards parity.

As for 4 possible action, I’m also operating under the VERY STRONG implication that DM’s ability went off on N2, and therefore sprit was blocked when he said he was {targeting falcon}.

So those 2 big reasons open up a bit of leeway even if sprit isn’t bad.

I understand abbi’s concern based on her getting scammed in a previous game with an outed 3p, but the urgency feels a bit less in this case.

I am TOTALLY open to reassessing tomorrow based on happenings
by Scotty
Thu Mar 20, 2025 4:05 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

Cape90 wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:48 am
Scotty wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 11:07 pm
Porscha wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 9:29 pm btw scotty I wouldn't hard tr cape for his vote on falcon, he never would have done it if I didn't call him out on his 9 lines of BS first

also falcon is mega bussable lol
Good points.

Hey @Cape90 you got any recent scum games that you recall and might be able to link me to? Pretttty pleaaseee
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Hydra-Game the closest thing I have to a recent scum game is this where I was specifically Wanda.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/44010 here is a regular game where I was scum that's probably easier to read but is much further back in time
Thanks, I’ll read this when I get off work

But whyyyy does it have to be MU. I hate isoing on that site lol
by Scotty
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

Porscha wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:21 am i am the true neutrality
3p confirmed
by Scotty
Wed Mar 19, 2025 11:07 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

Porscha wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 9:29 pm btw scotty I wouldn't hard tr cape for his vote on falcon, he never would have done it if I didn't call him out on his 9 lines of BS first

also falcon is mega bussable lol
Good points.

Hey @Cape90 you got any recent scum games that you recall and might be able to link me to? Pretttty pleaaseee
by Scotty
Wed Mar 19, 2025 8:36 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

Porscha wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:52 pm scotty what's your role like? I don't think you've shared anything either :p
My role is mostly useless. Mostly.

But it’s not what my role does more than what I know in the game.

So I guess now’s as good a time as any at the 24 hour mark:

-I targeted LC on N2 with my ability and it was blocked. But wouldn’t ya know it, that still apparently triggered LC’s ‘A Trustworthy Friend.’ So I’ve been talking with him since the start of D3. Since it wasn’t an action, we weren’t blocked when that happened. So that’s cool.

LC has been busy this game, and I owe all this info to him to pass on as the provincial Town Crier:

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He did in fact take the ‘Block every night’ and the ‘redirect’ ability. He blocked Nutella N1, and you’ll find that he left little breadcrumbs in little codes saying exactly that. Whether or not that was the block or Thunal protected me, we don’t know. Could’ve been both.
N2 he blocked Wilgy.
N3 he inexplicably didn’t send in his action.
N4 he blocked Michelle, who has confirmed being blocked.

But the main thing- the thing he died for- was targeting falcon and redirecting falcon to target DM instead.

Falcon is confirmed wolf.

I’ve taken my time posting this in order to observe who has been softly defending falcon in a neutral setting.

Cape came out with pretty suspicious post of townreading falcon for no earthly reason but then focused his big whale eye on falcon/porscha and settling on falcon. So that’s a great look, as he started that wagon and falcon was in no danger.

Sprityo has come out committed to laying down some reads today. He’s fighting for his life and I fully believe he’s a 3p. Especially after being the 2nd on falcon in a low-voting first half of the day. His action failed N2 like the rest of us, when he supposedly targeted falcon. So this push makes sense. It doesn’t make any sense if he is mafia with falcon.

Pyxxy is a troublesome case. I like that he followed through with voting for falcon, but I’m having my reservations.
I admit we had an ice cream social on D2 and had some fun times doing behind the scenes mech talk, and his tone felt so genuine but here I feel like all of that comes to a screeching halt with this confessed silencing mech. I just can’t come to terms with this being a town thing. I unfortunately feel like the only two options are:
1) He was affected by an unknown, probably mafia-aligned ability that wasn’t an action, therefore not blocked for N2, or
2) He was just caught in a lie.

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So what does this all boil down to, Scotty?

We [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine today. Take out a wolf. NOT sprityo today @☆Princess Abigail☆.

We see if sprityo can get another target and maybe address that tomorrow with more info. I really don’t feel like even if he’s some form of nefarious wolf-siding role that we can lose tonight by letting him live another day. If he is, I’ll take that loss for the team. But I want to give him a bit of leeway.

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Feel free to look at the first 24 hours of the day with the lens that falcon is bad, and see if anyone sticks out. Besides falcon, of course, who is acting plenty wolfy today on his own lol


If anyone has any questions, I’ll be in my trailer. :keys:
by Scotty
Wed Mar 19, 2025 7:46 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

Sprityo, I don’t suppose you would want to disclose who your target was last night, would you? If we can find a common ground, that would probably be it.
by Scotty
Wed Mar 19, 2025 7:43 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

falcon45ca wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 7:41 pm Nah, actually this

[VOTE: sprite] aubergine
Do you still suspect me?

Give me more. You’re starting to sound like an actual bird who doesn’t get a jury summons because you’re a bird and can’t talk
by Scotty
Wed Mar 19, 2025 7:30 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

Pyxallicious, did you get what I was throwing down yesterday btw?
by Scotty
Wed Mar 19, 2025 7:27 pm
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sprityo wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 7:26 pm
Scotty wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 7:24 pm
pyxxy wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 7:19 pm hm okay Sprit agreeing so maybe I've got a real convoluted world view but I thought Wilgy was like solidly town read yesterday by the thread
I think there’s some miscommunication maybe with you misunderstanding LC’s role implication:
“Meddlesome: You can redirect someone’s target, but whatever it is also happens to you.”
It seems like LC targets a player, and whoever that player targeted is then redirected onto a player of LC’s choice.

Right?
Yeah but he also takes whatever is happening, like a bodyguard in the case of the mafia kill
Yeah, no that is agreed on. I was just talking about the conviction on why Wilgy was the target. I think pyxxy got confuddled with the wording.
by Scotty
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

Which is why I’m confused why you’re implying mafia would ever target Wilgy of all people.
by Scotty
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pyxxy wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 7:19 pm hm okay Sprit agreeing so maybe I've got a real convoluted world view but I thought Wilgy was like solidly town read yesterday by the thread
I think there’s some miscommunication maybe with you misunderstanding LC’s role implication:
“Meddlesome: You can redirect someone’s target, but whatever it is also happens to you.”
It seems like LC targets a player, and whoever that player targeted is then redirected onto a player of LC’s choice.

Right?
by Scotty
Wed Mar 19, 2025 7:14 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

pyxxy wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 7:08 pm
Scotty wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:46 pm
pyxxy wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:08 pm I think it was another protection dodge, most likely

I guess also if scum saw Long Con's hinting and thought LC might visit Wilgy, they might get a double kill, which would be less prot dodge and more free upside

weakest part is if it was a prot dodge, again if because no proof, I haven't got any leads on what scum would do that, other than active scum who are closely reading the thread
I’m still missing something. What does Wilgy have to do with LC’s reads?
this exchange (open the spoiler, which I did for Michelle)
Long Con wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:18 pm
DrWilgy wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:09 pm
pyxxy wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 4:51 pm
Spoiler: show
DrWilgy wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 4:46 pm
pyxxy wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 4:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 4:30 pm
Sure thing.
o.O

ok you two
what can I say, LC's cute?
do you have a larger trust in LC that I might if I was caught up? or is this mech winking? or both?

guess I'll iso LC next
No, not at all. I'm pretty sure LC is a wolf.
You'll feel differently in the future. Your work today has made me comfortable putting you in my townreads, though, so already a positive result there IMO.
and idk what else to say re: silence :kadaj:
So…why would mafia choose to kill Wilgy from that exchange? That seems so vanilla. I just don’t get where you pulled Wilgy from
by Scotty
Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:52 pm
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Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 5]

Porscha wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:50 pm
Scotty wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:48 pm
Porscha wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:45 pm
Scotty wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 5:53 pm
Porscha wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 5:30 pm there's some bullshit mech occurring and if someone has info as to what may or may not have occurred they should out it with HASTE!
Also, what the hell do you do anyway? I don’t think you’ve shared a shred of your role thus far
oh... I thought you specifically knew my role... :skull: lmfao
Nope, now all I know is you have a day ability.

Why would I know it?
you're gonna laugh, but you saying you gave me your stereo... was ... so related to my role, that I thought you were softing that you knew my role. lol
:haha:

In that case, oh yeah. I knew the whole time!

You’re John Cusack from Say Anything Mafia! We ran that one right?
by Scotty
Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:48 pm
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Porscha wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:45 pm
Scotty wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 5:53 pm
Porscha wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 5:30 pm there's some bullshit mech occurring and if someone has info as to what may or may not have occurred they should out it with HASTE!
Also, what the hell do you do anyway? I don’t think you’ve shared a shred of your role thus far
oh... I thought you specifically knew my role... :skull: lmfao
Nope, now all I know is you have a day ability.

Why would I know it?
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Porscha wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:45 pm my role is day use and i have not used it. well, I did try the day nutella died, but uh. nutella died, so then nothing happened. lol
The amount of times I have heard in this game ‘my ability didn’t work’ is astounding. :noble: But, like, sometimes the bread gets moldy on the same day you buy it.
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pyxxy wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:08 pm
Scotty wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:01 pm
Scotty wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 5:55 pm @pyxxy why do you think Wilgy was the NK target? I might have missed it
And as a follow up, can you share whether there are any *secrets* in your role description? Like something you’re unaware of?
no secrets aka no **Secrets** section

answer to Wilgy question is here:
pyxxy wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:11 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 1:59 pm
Porscha wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 1:49 pm
pyxxy wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 1:48 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:24 am That or the wolves just aren't reading cause like my clear died and was proven and I was most certainly not attacked last night lol
did you see Long Con's mech, pretty sure it might explain some things re: NKA
Well if you visited him last night then I imagine he wouldn't have died to "needy" ?
Pyxxy contradicting themself again? Say it ain't so
didn't you preach something about the simplest solution is the best back on D2 or whatever?

I'll just say my guess then, I think Long Con saved Wigly by redirecting the NK off Wilgy onto DM + LC dies in the process

I think Long Con's EOD hints at this combination pretty heavily once you read his role powers

why scum tried to NK Wilgy? no fucking clue. but there's been prot kill dodging all game. maybe it is random like you theorized

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compare my theory here to your mech idea which relies on another vig role existing, but it's not one of your JOAT power? even thought TSP's was a vig tacked onto another role, so I could see a second vig being part of a JOAT

unless straight up this is what you're lying about

I've read up and my mech explanation makes way more sense than anyone else's :keys:
I think it was another protection dodge, most likely

I guess also if scum saw Long Con's hinting and thought LC might visit Wilgy, they might get a double kill, which would be less prot dodge and more free upside

weakest part is if it was a prot dodge, again if because no proof, I haven't got any leads on what scum would do that, other than active scum who are closely reading the thread
I’m still missing something. What does Wilgy have to do with LC’s reads?
by Scotty
Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:41 pm
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I’m having a hard time getting through the hoops of pyxxy not lying about being silenced D3.
And what town reason would he lie about being silenced?

No, I think with DM’s role reveal, and that over 4 different people said their actions were blocked on N2 (including pyxxy), there is no other explanation unless mafia has th ability to manually block everyone.

My feeling is pyxxy was caught in a lie. I think he figured he saw the multiple silences on D2 and figured it might be safe to hide out for D3, a day after he was one of the top wagons. And with DM’s reveal where NO ACTIONS could act, he has no option but to double down.

That’s why I was asking about any secrets. Because it would be *possible* for a latent, non-ability to trigger and he would be silenced. But no logic exists for that mechanic in this game regarding a silence.

Sorry, pyxxy. I think we got you.





And that’s not even included in the fountain of mech I’ve been compiling this whole game. That’s just an observation



Am I off base?
by Scotty
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Scotty wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 5:55 pm @pyxxy why do you think Wilgy was the NK target? I might have missed it
And as a follow up, can you share whether there are any *secrets* in your role description? Like something you’re unaware of?
by Scotty
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@pyxxy why do you think Wilgy was the NK target? I might have missed it
by Scotty
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Porscha wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 5:30 pm there's some bullshit mech occurring and if someone has info as to what may or may not have occurred they should out it with HASTE!
Also, what the hell do you do anyway? I don’t think you’ve shared a shred of your role thus far

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