The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote:I was extremely bummed that I didn't have much of a chance to be on this scum team. But I definitely deserved to be lynched.

But Sloonei! You had a 100% chance of being on the scum team!


And Rico, you're probably right I may have caught you in a lie. Guess we'll never know though. I'm actually pretty stupid- it's the Pygmy Marmoset that types for me that's the smart one.

Ricochet wrote:I would have liked Scotty to live longer not just for what a deserving civ/player he was, but also so he could inevitably (I presume) track me and find out I targeted not one, not two, but six-seven players up to that point and go what the hell.

Hehe well it only worked as a night-by-night basis. Not a history of night actions. I'm sure if I had lasted I would have checked you on the night you sent in a puzzle to yourself and I would think you were the Comedian or at least Moloch or something.

Cookie wrote:

G-Man wrote:Hey Cookie- do you remember what you wanted to say to me? I almost forgot about this post until just now:

Cookie wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

A Flyer on a Burned-Down New York Building

July 30, 1985

You have 23 hours to submit your PMs.

Seriously, that was horrible not being able to talk. I think that might actually be the first time I've ever been silenced. Of course it would happen when I can barely talk in the other game I'm playing.

Gotta say, at first I was worried when Scotty died and I was silenced that we were being played and someone was either setting Cookie up or controlling her. Then she voted for me and posted what she posted. Then it was pretty obvious she was bad. For future reference, Cookie, what you did is what's called laying it on a little too thick. Good effort up to this last day though! Hope to see you in games more often.

I have a response for this, however, I don't think I can tell you while the game is still going so remind me to respond to this when the game ends!

Yes I do! I kind of gave up on the game at this point. I knew I had no chance of NOT being lynched and I wanted to stop having so much pressure. So I silenced you. After that, I posted that I was voting you and did so early in the day, before anyone could comment that you were probably silenced. I kinda set myself up to look bad.

I knew people would then find me more suspicious and lynch me. I wasn't sure if Moloch had died already but I didn't want to prolong the game due to my inevitable lynch. I can't talk myself out of being suspicious lol.

For the record, Cookie, I think you played a great game. It was hard to get other people to see you as bad without giving up too much info about my role, and I think that was a testament to your non-suspicious play style.

If you had given up at that point, was that before or after you killed me?
And if it was before you killed me, was killing me just a spite kill?

Epignosis wrote:Eloh wanted to be Joey. I wanted Sloonei as Mafia.

That was it!

Oh nice! And the rest are randomized? How do you randomize it?

Well when you host me next, can I ask that I don't get NK'd on day 1? Can you just, like, work that into my role somehow? Because reasons.

@Rico DAMN MAN. That's the type of thorough commitment you would see out of a Host, but a player? Hot damn. Throw me in a pot and call me Potatoes. You were very deliberate.

I knew you sounded much too civ to be on completely our side, but I didn't expect you to be Ozy. I also couldn't finger as bad either way. One hell of a game, and one hell of a commitment.

You say you learned flash and wrote that maze all in half a day? Shit man.

Epignosis wrote:

G-Man wrote: I didn't know at first if Epi was going to post my ramblings verbatim or not. Sure enough, he said I could get into the character as much or as little as I liked. I watched some All in the Family clips and fashioned my Bernard after Archie Bunker.

Epi- did you select that role for me or did I get it randomly? Even though I had a crappy game, being Bernard made me smile every time I got to slip into character and write my opinions.

I did not choose you for Bernard, though I was pleased you got it.

Epi, how do you, in particular, pick roles?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Still want to know why each one of the three night kills failed, though. The first one was aimed at Rico. What about the other two?

@MP: So you two never tracked Eloh? LOL

How would they track Elo and make a full wolf case on her afterwards?

Tracker uses his ability on Eloh.

Epi PMs him back and says "Eloh used an ability on X"

Night ends, X was killed.

Therefore, Eloh is the one who killed X, barring an incredible coincidence.

Exactly.

I figured Scotty was my partner for sure after I had no result N2 and then a result on N4. Then when he started defending me subtly after the N4 result, I knew 100% it was him.

It's possible he thought I had info on Elo that he didn't get to see (i.e., N3) and that's why he followed me.

Ding ding ding.

Being away for 2 days and coming back in was a blur. I honestly skimmed days 2 and 3, and found that MP seemed the most out of place. Of course he was my partner. If I had been alive for those 3 days I probably would have tracked him N2 and gotten confirmation earlier, and maybe this game would have ended differently..

So coming back for Day 4, and knowing MP didn't do anything on N4 after tracking him, I knew he had to be either the Comedian or my partner.

Night 4, Ozy sent me this brilliantly done audio message that was so hard to hear, and concurrently needed to be played backwards. I spent like 45 minutes trying to listen to that shit.

Fucking Ozy. Puzzles are my kryptonite.

But here's the funny thing:
The message sounded so much like mafia chit-chat talking about ika's blowing up and such. Then it said distinctly that "he made a read on me yesterday so I'm going to make him look bad," followed by "I voted for espers to get some cred."

So me, in my dimly lit, World War 2 backwoods bunker thought "oh yis" and went to town looking at who might be attempting to frame someone that day, and who voted for espers.

It was all legit hogwash. However. That piece directly led me to either Elo and Cookie. So while Rico had given me false information, it actually led me to a little more conviction for those 2. But MP had done a biopic on why Elo was bad that night after, and Elo was avidly defending herself- so much so that it made MP look bad- so I was like, "GOTCHA" and, assuming MP had some info from one of the nights I missed, voted with him. It just seemed to fit.

Big kudos for Rico. He played me well.

N5 MP tracked Cookie and saw she targeted 2 People: Rico and MM. And then I found out MM was silenced, so...there ya go. Obvious for me, but a lynch was led against MP for some reason.

If I hadn't been silenced Day 7, I would have built more of a case against Cookie and maybe we could have bought ourselves some time.

Derf silencing me and Comedian killing me...well...you guys chose poorly. But hey, hindsight is 20/20.

I really do appreciate DDL for bringing me back. That was incredibly helpful for the time I had to spend with my partner.

I tracked DDL Night 6 and it said he targeted Ninjablooper, which made me go all Scooby Doo. So I knew you were Manhattan. But there was little I could do that following night, when no one heeded my advice. Cookie was toast by that point, but then I knew I was as well. My last speculation was that Moloch "is someone who looks the most civ." Which was hardly DDL. I knew it was either Russ or Rico as Moloch. I actually thought it was Rico til the end. Russ was a complete mystery to me, and he played a brilliant game as well.

Thanks for blowing up my brain with this game, Epi. It felt really immersive and your technical expertise was sure fun to witness! Here's an obscure stout from Germany in your honor.



If I could go back and change one thing of my play, it would be not to piss off MM day 1 when he's a vigi

Good game all!

Cookie wrote:

LoRab wrote:*passes Zombie popcorn to cookie*
*may or may not spinkle some zombie poison on first*

Considering I'm an emotional eater I will GOBBLE ALL OF YOUR POPCORN.

All Cookie eats are chocolate chips.
Welcome to the land of the dead, Cookie.

LoRab wrote:*passes zombie popcorn to scotty*

*offers some to MP*

Tastes like regret, sadness, and a hint of salt.

My favorite.

Tl;dr version for your lazies:
Lynch Cookie next.
Then look at most civ sounding players left if BF is dead and we didn't already win.

If it's the last thing I say, I want to acknowledge that I have done a 360 on Moloch. I've literally jumped around in a circle. I thought that it would be a brilliant move to be quiet and coast, but then I would envision that for Big Figure instead. Having 2 mafia teammates dead would either cause the fight or flight mechanism for BF, and I haven't seen a big change of gameplay from the remaining members. Cookie has picked it up after night 6, and has made a small effort to come into the light, but not to the extent of the others (except Made, who is at least catching up). She is the coaster, with this one dude up in her bizness like a Jack Russell fucking terrier. Sorry bout that, but I've got to imagine it's either you or MM for final baddie.

For moloch though (getting back to the 360 now) I thought, what better way to get to the end but look MOST civ, for everyone to have your back? I'd look at the most civ sounding next. Which may or may not even be here. I mean honestly it could be a moot point if moloch is already dead, so I guess we'll see.

But I'm getting this in just case I am dead in an hour.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:If you guys want to ask me questions to read my alignment, go ahead. I've been told I'm pretty good at defending myself when I'm a civ. And I'd love to have more people trusting me in this game.

Are you a member of mafia?

No.

I'm not Moloch either.

I was expecting more creative questions tbh.

What is your favorite color?



I've been mulling on the can for a few minutes now and just got thinking: I'm weakest when I can't account for hidden variables. I was pinged by Elo in part because of the hint I received from [???] someone, I don't know who, I assume it's Ozy. Let's say he wants us to hear certain things. But this wasn't just a message, but a puzzle. I love puzzles. And if I'm going to spend the effort of solving a puzzle, I would expect that it would be relevant and not just to throw me off. Maybe Ozy needed to fulfill a win condition and manipulate the information as a means to do so, but Im keeping in the back of my mind the premise that Ozy is a Watchman and must win with the civs, so even if he is spewing skewed info, I doubt it would be useless to the civ cause.

But then I don'tknow his win condition. I don't know the conditions or abilities of Moloch or Mr. Manhattan. And it's pissing me off. It's like trying to wear a Hawaiian shirt and flip flops to a 5-star restaurant. I feel entitled to do so, and I want to do so, but I cannot! it doesn't make sense, it's socially unacceptable, and I look like Jimmy Buffet.

I do the best informed decisions I can based on the information available. But I'm not perfect. ("You can say that again!" Shut up Dad) I'm operating under the assumption that I do have the info necessary to make informed choices, but there is room for error.

What happened night 5 and night 6? I refuse to accept they missed the vote. That's blind chance and I want to use reasoning behind decisions.
Reasoning #1: LoRab used her protect function. This is HIGHLY specialized if LoRab waited to use her one power, out of all the powers, to protect someone. She definitely didn't do it twice, so what about the other night with no kill?
#2 BF biding his/her time. He/she knew there was heat that day, so they backed off to give air to the game. This seems definitely likely at least one of those days.
#3 That BF indeed can only kill on his inherited even
Nights. Which would make #1 and #2 more remarkable.
#4 them secret roles gots all kinds of secrets that I can't account for.

I mentioned before about Moloch's weapon in the spoiler tab. No one really knew what it did, nor do I, but the name alone makes me feel like Moloch might have a copying ability, where he has a random power in intervals, and could have received role blocking. This would explain the night 2 people were silenced, if derf is in fact dead. Could have been Moloch blocking in stead of LoRab, and I'm betting 100 to 1 that LoRab protected one night, and Moloch protected the other.

Am I just spewing my lunch food or what?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ozy ressureceted Scotty.

You all claim that Scotty is a civilian.

But you also argue that Ozy could be anti-civilian in a way?

Where did it say Ozy ressurrected me?

I'm so civ it hurts.

MM what are you trying to say here?

Ricochet wrote:It's my first game with him, so . He followed this after, as far as I understand, being supa-civvie in uhm what was it? Economics? BoB?

AFAIK he could be super civ, but his role hasn't been revealed yet. He was rezzed in that game.

He questions a lot and generally has good reads on people. He's new to this forum I think but has played elsewhere.

Ricochet wrote:So I felt the need to reply to some posts.

Scotty wrote:Also would make sense if Derf silenced me as well as Big Figure. That would have been swell.

Although I'm not 100% certain of this logic, civ silencers usually aim to silence/incapacitate players they suspect as being bad. Derf silencing you would make no sense, except if he actually suspects you (but who does here, really?) or if, well, he's not very inspired with his moves.

Scotty wrote:Bernard: Some seem to think he is still alive due to the Night message from Dr. Manhattan. Some think Dr. Manhattan wrote it.

Only LoRab thought that, if I recall correctly. I'd say he's legit alive.

Scotty wrote:Ozymandias: I would say still alive, because: (Spoilers from movie/comics)

Spoiler: show

Ozy is super smart, and manipulates governments into thinking aliens blew up NYC, when he did it himself. Nice guy. He has a network of technologies and seems to have ears in all places. I would conjecture that he can hear chat from behind closed doors and relays that info in secret ways and in the Day/night posts... But I bet his win condition has something to do with the other Watchmen dying in his wake, especially Mr. Manhattan. I think it was Russ that received a secret PM yesterday, which I also believe to be Ozy.

Spoiler: show

He fails to kill/get rid of Manhattan, though.

Also, I received a secret PM, not Russ. Different R.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:MM posted today. Early on, never returned.

I grew busy. I'm sorry for missing the vote.

Here's the problem. D2, when you were gone for the weekend, you voted yourself when time was out and had to leave; that's fine. D3 you implied you were silenced (the first time). D4 and D5 you made votes almost right off the bat. D6 you (arguably) were silenced. Yet D7 you waffled with a few posts at the beginning of the day and then you disappeared.

Scotty wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:One thing that pings me, reading the Watchmen wikia, is

Spoiler: show

how Moloch spends the whole story being manipulated by Ozy. He's a retired supervillain at that point and doesn't actually do a thing.

What if Epi has lied to us and Ozymandias is the one we should be trying to lynch? While Moloch is just a decoy?

A civilian could be recruited or switch to the bad side, but that would inconsistent with who manipulates whom in the story. It would mean Moloch or the Inmates recruit Ozy, which, canon-wise, would be quite silly.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I have a tinfoil theory that MM is Ozymandias because he was the only one who got something from the day 0 poll, which Ozymandias won.

But if Ozy is really bad, MM wouldn't casually reveal that.

Considering that Ozy is a Watchman, a player who must win alongside the civilians, I can't imagine his win condition would be detrimental to the civilians.

I know Rorschach's is a little bit, but if the civilians played a good game, they should have nothing to worry about.

I think it's definitely more of a mixed bag. Rorschach's win con right now is very detrimental to the civs, because he needs a lot of remaining players to be dead by endgame, whilst the civs themselves require only two more baddies to die. DH officially needs Derf to be already dead or die, in addition to civs winning. Comedian was detrimental only insofar as potentially killing a civ (Scotty). Silk Spectre II is not detrimental to the civs in any way, she'd rather like more Watchmen to fall in order to have an easier task with the role calling. No idea about Manhattan (Win con: Presence. Ok. As in "not going away on Mars, tired of the human race?". As in "not killed or lynched"? As in "exposed [role flip] to everyone else via lynch or NK" (why do I still keep thinking of freakin' Shinigamis?). Ozymandias, canon wise, was downright heartless towards the human population in achieving his goals, so he might actually be detrimental to the civs, despite needing to achieve their win con.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: If I had voted early, I would have voted DDL.

If I had voted late, I would have considered voting Cookie. Depends how I felt about a tie, which I'm not a big fan of.

Interesting. Anything in particular change your thinking to Cookie? Only LoRab was expressing a bit of beef about her yesterday, so something must have changed you, or else you really have no allegiance or read either way and would just attempt to be tie breaker.

Either way, it's a moot point. Who is your top suspect right now?

Nothing about Cookie actually. I've just changed my mind about LoRab from before. I guess it looks like hindsight to some, but my early suspicion of her was gone.

That is quite the use of hindsight, indeed. For the second lynch in a row, in fact. After MP died, you said you read him as civ, yet in the game you barely ever addressed any read on him; almost like you would let things run their course. As for LoRab, last time you mentioned her, I think, you just said she slipped off the radar, not that you cleared her of suspicion.

5 min late to work, so quicklike:

I agree with all your assessments here, and apologize for confusing you with Russ. (Any luck on your cipher btw?)


If I die tonight...my viewpoint hasn't changed, and you know where to look. I'd think I'm a more tasty NK than Rico at this point.

*dying

Cookie wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Cookie wrote:I actually have/had heat stroke last night (there is a severe heat warning in Ontario) so I am so sleepy and tired and ugh. I feel like crap.

Anyway, Scotty, I think, seems most town-like. Although he does suspect me, and for good reasons, he is entirely wrong about me. I'm not playing the newbie card. I know mostly what I'm doing at this point. It was challenging at first because of verbal explosions from certain players (not gonna say any names or point any fingers cough*mp*cough *points to the sock*). But I am comfortable with my reads and opinions on people. I'm planning on doing another short read through of players and posts about them and see who I suspect the most. I'm on my phone and going back to sleep now though

Holy cow, did you not drink enough water? I mean where I am I'm playing softball in 98 degree muggy weather- it's stifling to say the least- and we always make sure we chug dat water. I sincerely hope there aren't any complications, Cookie!

I do seem most town like. I'll take that.
Though I don't like being called most town-like during the night phase. That's no bueno.

if anything, I overdosed on it LOL. I was outside for much of the day. I will be fine, thank you!!

Oops, well, it's coming from me who is seemingly most suspicious?

Well I'm glad you're feeling better

And yes, you have a fair amount of suspicion. I think it would be a fair assessment that you are not doing from BF tonight

G-Man wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:You people from cold countries who can't stand the heat <shakes head>

Sorry, just kidding. I hope you are doing well, Cookie.

Yeah, and you sissies from tropical countries amuse me when you bundle up as soon as it drops below 75 degrees and 50% humidity.

In all seriousness though, where I live we get both the summer heat and the winter cold. I always laugh at the southern states who freak out over half an inch of snow and can't handle anything below 45 degrees.

I'm originally from the Atlanta and the uproar over an inch of snow is actually justified because the tire treads aren't meant for that climate. The Snowpacalypse of 2014, which had like a foot of snow, stranded motorists all over the city because their cars were essentially immobile. I heard of a schoolbus that was stranded on the highway with kids overnight.

Also, my dad lives in FL and he puts on a sweater when it gets below 55 degrees so I can confirm.

Cookie wrote:I actually have/had heat stroke last night (there is a severe heat warning in Ontario) so I am so sleepy and tired and ugh. I feel like crap.

Anyway, Scotty, I think, seems most town-like. Although he does suspect me, and for good reasons, he is entirely wrong about me. I'm not playing the newbie card. I know mostly what I'm doing at this point. It was challenging at first because of verbal explosions from certain players (not gonna say any names or point any fingers cough*mp*cough *points to the sock*). But I am comfortable with my reads and opinions on people. I'm planning on doing another short read through of players and posts about them and see who I suspect the most. I'm on my phone and going back to sleep now though

Holy cow, did you not drink enough water? I mean where I am I'm playing softball in 98 degree muggy weather- it's stifling to say the least- and we always make sure we chug dat water. I sincerely hope there aren't any complications, Cookie!

I do seem most town like. I'll take that.
Though I don't like being called most town-like during the night phase. That's no bueno.

Russtifinko wrote:Dammit. Sorry LoRab. I guess you were right, I really can't read you.

Scotty, glad you are back in commission. You seem really certain about Cookie. I know I've been defending her hard all game long, but you're right that she's not entirely new. I'm willing to at least consider what you have to say about her.

Hey man, no hard feelings. It's just a game after all. I'll excuse you because you were backing up Elo and were right about her there, and I was wrong.

But now that the game is even tighter, and some suspicious people are gone, I'm balls to the wall with Cookie, and I appreciate that you're ready to give my argument the time of day.

For everyone, I ask that you don't just take my word for it. Look at her from the angle of someone that knows mafia but is unfamiliar with the forum. She's played a very crafty game, a very respectable tilt; it's usually the one that's quiet and sitting back that's the one that shines bright like a diamond. (#Rihanna)

Metalmarsh89 wrote: If I had voted early, I would have voted DDL.

If I had voted late, I would have considered voting Cookie. Depends how I felt about a tie, which I'm not a big fan of.

Interesting. Anything in particular change your thinking to Cookie? Only LoRab was expressing a bit of beef about her yesterday, so something must have changed you, or else you really have no allegiance or read either way and would just attempt to be tie breaker.

Either way, it's a moot point. Who is your top suspect right now?

I'm sorry, missed is misleading- I understand you were silenced yesterday, but you get my point.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I have a tinfoil theory that MM is Ozymandias because he was the only one who got something from the day 0 poll, which Ozymandias won.

But if Ozy is really bad, MM wouldn't casually reveal that.

Considering that Ozy is a Watchman, a player who must win alongside the civilians, I can't imagine his win condition would be detrimental to the civilians.

I know Rorschach's is a little bit, but if the civilians played a good game, they should have nothing to worry about.

I can. I'd take the "civilian Watchmen" thing with a grain of salt.

Epi is not revealing everything there is to know about those roles in the first post.

What I do know is that players that like to paint neutral roles as dangerous are more apt to be mafia themselves.

You have missed the vote twice in a row.

Who would you have voted if you were around today to do so?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Spoiler: show

The one The Comedian raped was Silk Spectre I, aka Sally Jupiter.

The Comedian is a huge asshole. It's hard to hate anyone in the story more than him, including Ozymandias. But he dies as soon as the comic starts, which fits his wincon in this game.

Yeah all these Watchmen seem like assholes in the stories. Self-serving, egotistical jabberwokkies.

But I like that the superheroes have depth. Makes for a juicier story I suppose.

I think I'll rent Watchmen tonight since I haven't seen it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:One thing that pings me, reading the Watchmen wikia, is

Spoiler: show

how Moloch spends the whole story being manipulated by Ozy. He's a retired supervillain at that point and doesn't actually do a thing.

What if Epi has lied to us and Ozymandias is the one we should be trying to lynch? While Moloch is just a decoy?

This would be trickery at its finest, and would also make sense, since Ozy is supposedly super smart.

I just don't know how to find him. He doesn't have many tells.

Here's an updated list of characters that may or may not be alive still:

Bernard: Some seem to think he is still alive due to the Night message from Dr. Manhattan. Some think Dr. Manhattan wrote it.
Derf: Who else would be a silencer of two people? Some think either MP or MM were faking their silent treatments, since only one person seemed silenced Day 4-5. I would add that perhaps both had silenced the same person both days, or they just forgot to send in a PM.
Dr. Long: Could be dead or alive. No idea.
Jenny Slater: Could be dead or alive. No idea.
Det. Bourquin: Could be dead or alive, though MP being his partner gave an indication that they apparently were not in sync. Could be dead, which would also explain MP's blatant tirade against Elo in Day 5.
Rorschach: Seemingly dead, or else he is playing his cards very close to his chest. Maybe Dr. Long removed just enough names from his list that Rorschach can just coast.
The Comedian: Could have been NK'd at this point. But could go either way. Used up their one shot on me Night 1.
Dr. Manhattan: Seems most likely to be alive, since he had a hand in the last night's message.
Spoilers from movie/comics: Ozymandias: I would say still alive, because: (Spoilers from movie/comics) BF:
Moloch: So I just did a background check on this guy from a few sources. Spoilers from movie/comics:

Cookie wrote:I missed the lynch! My phone died and I was at the doctor unexpectedly.

I hope you're ok, Cookie

And hey, if I'm wrong about you, then I....ehhhehehe I don't feel wrong about you in this game. We'll cross that bridge if we come to it.

linki @ Cookie- why do I feel like I'm still alive?

Well, if you killed me last night, that would look fishy for you, wouldn't it?

linki2 @ DDL

I feel your suspicion with GMan. His game has been...interesting to say the least. I wouldn't have been averse to him being lynched today over LoRab, since I suspected him as Molock next to you, mr Dragon. Though Cookie should be next.

Also would make sense if Derf silenced me as well as Big Figure. That would have been swell.

I also want to break down the roles in a bit, since I realize I might be an idiot to attempt to read into particular secret roles if I don't have a jumping off point

Addendum oops:
that 3rd quote should be

Scotty wrote:Yeah I was holding out hope but it's been an hour and so I just voted Cookie because I'm not convinced otherwise

That was on Day 6.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Can you point me to the first post where you are sure Cookie is BF? Save me some time, please.

Well GMan made a nice post earlier today breaking down everyone's intentions with their votes yesterday, and I thought he gave a nice summation but I guess I'll catch you up because why not.

Scotty wrote:I also really want MP to weigh in here at some point today. I'm attempting not to tunnel, but I'm about to put my hand in the Cookie jar and go past the point of no return.

That was Sun @ 3p est. I really started to tunnel.

Scotty wrote:I also really want MP to weigh in here at some point today. I'm attempting not to tunnel, but I'm about to put my hand in the Cookie jar and go past the point of no return.

That was Day 6. Nothing really changed for me there. Into the night, when you guys were farting around with MP and LoRab, I didn't talk too much about BF and more about who Molock could be, since I had it in my head that, "Of course Cookie is mafia, let's move on to the next deduction."

My last post before getting silenced:

Scotty wrote:

Cookie wrote:

Scotty wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Scotty wrote:

LoRab wrote:Disappointing result. My being lynched would have been equally disappinting. Not sure a lynch of cookie would have been bad, having voted that way and all.

Thoughs haven't changed since I went to sleep. Hope to survive the night.

You're golden, I think I'm on the chopping block unfortunately.

Shame, because I feel like we really could have eliminated that problem.

So who do you see me is being elimininaed from that problem?

That sentence doesn't make sense.
But I'm talking about cookie

Honestly if I was BF, MP would have died in the NK when he first insisted that I was mafia, I think it was D3 or D4 when he put a lot of heat on me.

Actually that's not the best strategy. Ricochet puts it nicely:

Ricochet wrote:If you ask me, MP was kept in the game due to the high potential of being lynched. That he himself started a huge case on a civ Eloh must have been even more of a delight for BF and Moloch.

Why not keep in MP, who's already garnered a lot of heat, and had been wrong on so many separate occasions? He could get lynched instead (the Elo vote was the deciding factor, methinks), and he did.

Guess who was the first to vote Cookie Day 4? Me. I thought that a mafia would be trying to float by, to blend in. Espers was lynched, he flipped bad, and ika even voted for you, so I took a step back- just a step- for how implausible it was for you to be Big Figure. Sweet, newbish, frustrated Cookie. Now knowing that MP backed me up on Day 4 is just dandy, and gives me even MORE conviction that you are bad. I mean, if you recall, MP stressed time and time again on Day 4 that espers was at the top of his read list, and in the end he voted for Cookie. Could it be...that both were bad and he was giving a hint? He wasn't right on the Elo vote, nor was I (going back to Day 1) but I would find it hard to believe MP would be wrong on all of his reads.




I have essentially not garnered heat like MP has, and I am going full fledge semi through the tunnel mode. If BF kills me tonight, look no further than Señorita Galleta tomorrow.

Good night friends, I'm off to work for the night.

She silenced me to pull her off the hook. The if/then statement does just apply to NKing me, and I didn't think I was too vague with my assumption for an entire day before. But maybe I was, and maybe I should have been more aggressive with my accusations.
I'd stake my reputation at this point that it's Cookie, but I don't really have a reputation here, and it didn't end well with MP. But I think the lens I'm looking at her is very narrow and matches very well with what I expect.
LoRab was my #3 choice, but she kept slipping today towards civ. GMan also fell down off my list. The next likely person on my list after Cookie is MM, but I also don't see him as mafia either.


VOTE COOKIE
VOTE COOKIE
VOTE COOKIE
VOTE COOKIE
VOTE COOKIE
VOTE COOKIE
VOTE COOKIE
VOTE COOKIE

there. how's that.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Scotty wrote:I'm furious at Ricochet, who has bowled his second gutter ball in as many days.

I'm furious at D Luffy who honestly could have made a better decision and voted for BF, but didn't. Stick to your guns man. We almost had her yesterday.

I'm furious at MM who didn't vote or post today for whatever reason. He obviously wasn't silenced.

I'm furious at Cookie for silencing me and continuing to masquerade as a civilian.

I'm furious at Butte, MT for wasting tax payer money and constructing a giant mud ramp in the middle of downtown in order to beat the Semi-jump world record. Like, don't they have anything better to do?

My guns? I've been havng LoRab as mafia over Cookie since the beginning.

Ah, that was a bad use of term, you're right. But you seemed the most likely to get a sweet tooth and vote Cookie that hadn't already.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Scotty wrote:Can I post yet about how I furious I am?

For someone who was fearing a night kill I think you got the better deal.

Yes, I'm thankful to be alive, but the only reason she didn't kill me is to get the heat off her back.

Russtifinko wrote: And I get what you're saying about Cookie, but I still don't buy her being bad. Every time I've played with a new player, they get accused of parroting others. They don't have the benefits of experience or meta to go on, and frankly, when you're getting your bearings, following others, even subconsciously, is just the easiest way to keep oriented.

Russ, she isn't a new player. She's new to the fast and tight playstyle we have here.
And if she were mafia she would have experience in her back pocket. It's called Sloonei. He's totally active in BoB, so if she has needed help or advisement, he's there to help her out with people or advice.

Why have there been no killings? Well, maybe it was to let us pick ourselves apart so she can coast.

Honestly we're going to lose if you keep up this mentality that she is a newb and couldn't pull it off.

I feel like I sound like a broken record (like Rico) except in my case, no one is taking the record off. They're just removing the stylus.

I'm furious at Ricochet, who has bowled his second gutter ball in as many days.

I'm furious at D Luffy who honestly could have made a better decision and voted for BF, but didn't. Stick to your guns man. We almost had her yesterday.

I'm furious at MM who didn't vote or post today for whatever reason. He obviously wasn't silenced.

I'm furious at Cookie for silencing me and continuing to masquerade as a civilian.

I'm furious at Butte, MT for wasting tax payer money and constructing a giant mud ramp in the middle of downtown in order to beat the Semi-jump world record. Like, don't they have anything better to do?

Can I post yet about how I furious I am?

Cookie wrote:

Scotty wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Scotty wrote:

LoRab wrote:Disappointing result. My being lynched would have been equally disappinting. Not sure a lynch of cookie would have been bad, having voted that way and all.

Thoughs haven't changed since I went to sleep. Hope to survive the night.

You're golden, I think I'm on the chopping block unfortunately.

Shame, because I feel like we really could have eliminated that problem.

So who do you see me is being elimininaed from that problem?

That sentence doesn't make sense.
But I'm talking about cookie

Honestly if I was BF, MP would have died in the NK when he first insisted that I was mafia, I think it was D3 or D4 when he put a lot of heat on me.

Actually that's not the best strategy. Ricochet puts it nicely:

Ricochet wrote:If you ask me, MP was kept in the game due to the high potential of being lynched. That he himself started a huge case on a civ Eloh must have been even more of a delight for BF and Moloch.

Why not keep in MP, who's already garnered a lot of heat, and had been wrong on so many separate occasions? He could get lynched instead (the Elo vote was the deciding factor, methinks), and he did.

Guess who was the first to vote Cookie Day 4? Me. I thought that a mafia would be trying to float by, to blend in. Espers was lynched, he flipped bad, and ika even voted for you, so I took a step back- just a step- for how implausible it was for you to be Big Figure. Sweet, newbish, frustrated Cookie. Now knowing that MP backed me up on Day 4 is just dandy, and gives me even MORE conviction that you are bad. I mean, if you recall, MP stressed time and time again on Day 4 that espers was at the top of his read list, and in the end he voted for Cookie. Could it be...that both were bad and he was giving a hint? He wasn't right on the Elo vote, nor was I (going back to Day 1) but I would find it hard to believe MP would be wrong on all of his reads.




I have essentially not garnered heat like MP has, and I am going full fledge semi through the tunnel mode. If BF kills me tonight, look no further than Señorita Galleta tomorrow.

Good night friends, I'm off to work for the night.

Marmot, since you weren't here yesterday, who would you have voted for yesterday if you were allowed?

him*

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:This question is posed for all involved:
Take a deep breath. Lay down, put your feet off, take your trousers off, as you will.
Attempt to discard any reads you currently have on people. It's hard, I know.

Now.

Looking at votes alone, who is the most suspicious player left, in your opinion and why?

Ricochet, because his only 'meaningful' vote in the first five days was to push LoRab to 3-4 against espers on Day 4.

Would your opinion of her change if LoRab was actually mafia?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:At the same time I think mafia would be cowardly to kill me tonight.

Who would you kill tonight if you were mafia, GMan?

Rhetorical, of course.

I would kill you.

This question is posed for all involved:
Take a deep breath. Lay down, put your feet off, take your trousers off, as you will.
Attempt to discard any reads you currently have on people. It's hard, I know.

Now.

Looking at votes alone, who is the most suspicious player left, in your opinion and why?

At the same time I think mafia would be cowardly to kill me tonight.

Who would you kill tonight if you were mafia, GMan?

Rhetorical, of course.

G-Man wrote:

Scotty wrote:

LoRab wrote:Disappointing result. My being lynched would have been equally disappinting. Not sure a lynch of cookie would have been bad, having voted that way and all.

Thoughs haven't changed since I went to sleep. Hope to survive the night.

You're golden, I think I'm on the chopping block unfortunately.

Shame, because I feel like we really could have eliminated that problem.

Scotty- do you think you're likely to get killed tonight or lynched tomorrow? I personally see no reason for you to be lynched, so I'm assuming you think Big Figure will come after you.

What I find interesting is that you got on board with MP07's theories after you were rezzed even though he went after you Day 1 for what I though was a very unsound case. Not saying it's suspicious though. I'm just dying to know why you got on board with him after he tried to railroad you.

You see no reason? I do. I've been rezzed, and no one has really looked into my case. Except maybe Rico and a bit of Russ (who just says he patently disagrees with me). I was wondering why no one killing MP until you realized he was making bad reads all game.

There may be a chance I am wrong about my newest reads, but my reads become more poignant as the game goes on. More votes to look at, and like you, GMan, I enjoy logic puzzles. This game is like a logic puzzle mixed with hide and seek.

I've been operating under the assumption that I was going to be NK'd since I was rezzed, and now I'm just acting on spare time. All of this is a gift that I've even been here this long, so thank you powers that be.

As for "getting on board with MP's theories", didn't you see that I've been buddying up with him since Day 0? /s
He did get on me for a pretty weird reason at Day 0, and then I died. I wasn't really convinced he was civ until about Day 5. I didn't trust him a lick when he kept posting his rainbow reads, waiting to vote until the very end, and not voting for the lowest common denominator at the last second, which seemed fishy as tuna.
Tunneling on Ehlo seemed to me either a VERY civ move or a VERY sloppy mafia move, and I chose the former. Like come on, MP isn't new to mafia. His moves seems suspicious, but TOO suspicious. I'd be looking at someone trying to fit in, or at least not raising any red flags. Those are the dangerous ones.

I also had a read on Elo. I became convinced that one of the espers voters in Day 5 were bad. I limited it to Elo or LoRab for a time, and Elo's post at the end of the night before she was silenced was just icing on the cake for me. My gut read on MP at that point was warm-blooded civ and the thought of people accusing MP of being mafia was ludicrous.

I know now how Russ felt when we tunneled into Elo, whom he defended for whatever reason.

LoRab wrote:

Scotty wrote:

LoRab wrote:Disappointing result. My being lynched would have been equally disappinting. Not sure a lynch of cookie would have been bad, having voted that way and all.

Thoughs haven't changed since I went to sleep. Hope to survive the night.

You're golden, I think I'm on the chopping block unfortunately.

Shame, because I feel like we really could have eliminated that problem.

So who do you see me is being elimininaed from that problem?

That sentence doesn't make sense.
But I'm talking about cookie

LoRab wrote:Disappointing result. My being lynched would have been equally disappinting. Not sure a lynch of cookie would have been bad, having voted that way and all.

Thoughs haven't changed since I went to sleep. Hope to survive the night.

You're golden, I think I'm on the chopping block unfortunately.

Shame, because I feel like we really could have eliminated that problem.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:@Scotty

Comic spoilers:

Spoiler: show

He is the main villain of the story. Moloch is a character of little importance that is actually manipulated by Ozy, and the Inmates are a group of random criminals who only exist to be murdered by Rorscrach.

Which makes me wonder why Epi didn't make Ozy mafia instead.

Hmmm. indeed.

GMan, any luck on your cipher?

Epignosis wrote:

Did we never figure out what this was? Silk Spectre's apartment? It was used in the lynch of espers, but leading up to it...wth? Why Silk Spectre's apartment, if that's what it was?

@DDL that character sounds terrible. Like a villain, even. hmm.


Do we think there are only 2 silencers in this game? Does anyone think Dr. Manhattan or Ozy could silence as well?

Cookie wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Cookie wrote:Crap. I was so sure he was an Inmate. RIP and sorry.

Why did you vote for LoRab then if you were so sure?

HMMMMMMMMM?

I explained that when I voted LoRab. I didn't want to lynch someone who couldn't talk and the alternative was to lynch someone else I thought (and still think) is an Inmate.

Ah I see I missed that post. You are correct, you did say that, my bad.
If you are sure that someone is bad, then why not commit to your read, regardless of a silent treatment?


im still on phone right now, but going back a few pages on the info received from [what I presume to be] Ozymandias. I don't know the source material at all. Why is Ozymandias' info not to be trusted if he's a watchman? What does he do in the movie/comic?

linki- thanks GMan

I'm now firmly in the camp that GMan is either Rorschach or Morlock. I'm leaning towards the latter.

I looked up tracking and it does not learn the role of the target, but what they do. I was sorely confused on that point.
So I'm curious if and when MP tracked Ehlo that would give him info that led to her demise? Maybe she did something that night to the target that died? That would make sense, right? So maybe she sent back her info to Bernard and Bernard died that night? I don't remember seeing Bernard post recently, so that would make sense for MP to tunnel.

Cookie wrote:Crap. I was so sure he was an Inmate. RIP and sorry.

Why did you vote for LoRab then if you were so sure?

HMMMMMMMMM?