The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:32 pm dennis is completely frozen btw he just responded to my post with "No" and dipped.

he does not care about finding mafia.

he has no real reads, no real thoughts, he is not a town player

See this attitude doesn’t make sense though. It’s much more likely to come from town than mafia and this is much more a mafia reason to vote for someone

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:26 pm @lucy this essentially is

sig/jack/spf/dennis
v
creature/tutuu/wilgy/sabi

I can't place a 5th in either team but I think we are in an all or nothing scenario

I could see the second one for sure.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:38 pm Can someone explain what is going on

Just keep voting creature

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:38 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:38 pm Can someone explain what is going on

Just keep voting creature

And definitely not sig or he’ll go sulk in the dead chat and channel his inner boomer to complain about new players

Also side note if we get to lynch or loose without catching any mafia we gotta vote out mac

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:41 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:40 pm Also side note if we get to lynch or loose without catching any mafia we gotta vote out mac

that will not be happening sig please don't say dumb shit

lol okay

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:45 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:39 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:38 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:38 pm Can someone explain what is going on

Just keep voting creature

And definitely not sig or he’ll go sulk in the dead chat and channel his inner boomer to complain about new players

What's wrong with new players hmm?

You don’t count?

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:03 pm @sig - every other of your wolf buddies got here and took a swing at me

are u not even gonna try? not even gonna throw a measly jab?

If you insist.

Tuutuu is definitely mafia for following Allison legacy and imma bet used the night card to axe Allison. How do I know? Since I’m amazing ofc

The fact tuutuu and creature are just scrambling from me to Dennis us sketchy for sur e

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:28 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:27 pm The fact tuutuu and creature are just scrambling from me to Dennis us sketchy for sur e

LOL ur killing me man

That was the hope but nobody else wants to

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:29 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:27 pm dennis for one would've had a better readslist and be freaked out at gamestate
secondly, he tr all dead town lol

I feel like he's the same as lawyers game?

Was he civ or mafia in that

@MacDougall smh why are you voting for me and not calling it out either

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:56 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:55 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:55 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:54 pm Guys I think mac just outed him being partnered with spf

Are you all trolling?

yea idk what happened lmao

I think it's wolves winning

Unless they’ve got extra kills or something or I can’t use math that doesn’t check out

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:57 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:56 pm @MacDougall smh why are you voting for me and not calling it out either

I did call it out. Several times. I've been talking about it for my last 10 posts.

Oh I didn’t read them

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:48 pm Sig was extremely towny. He is not that gifted at mafia to project such pristine town mindset and perspective in the context. He went from my top scum to just town in like a nanosecond.

I could actually pull it off as mafia tyvm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:04 pm mac dies today, period

Why? This doesn’t make any sense

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:08 pm We continue on Sig.

Wolves went out of their way to push us off their teammate and into the Zealot.

Also SPF will also do. Creature being their prime suspect since d1 argument feels kinda moot.

This is dumb and very mafia sided

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:12 pm creature being the zealot does not make logical sense in light of seanzie dying. i'm not sure how much else i can talk about it but it's not hard to put the pieces together yourself

i actually think we should just turbo creature again today if im being honest

Disagree with this. If he’s zealot which is a good assumption to make wasting a day voting him again isn’t the move

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:16 pm creature being zealot does not make sense in light of seanzie's posts at the end of the day yesterday unless seanzie was going out of his way to troll, which i don't think he would do

Explain to me anyother situation where he wouldn’t be voted off

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

I’m not listening to you sorry.

And if you can chain together people from Mac give us someone on the down trace chain to go for first

We’ve got to vote off tuutuu or Wilgy today both have shown themselves as being pretty clear mafia.

If Lucy names one of the three Chained player who everyone agrees is scummy I’d be willing to vote that wau, but I’m not blindly following an IC who frankly hasn’t been right all game

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:30 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?

mac->spf->creature->one in porscha/sig->x

Okay now prove it.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:33 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:31 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

I’m not listening to you sorry.

Good 'why' there mate.

I explained in the follow on post but have very clearly sinfe d1 stacked out the IC has no more say than anyone else.

The fact you’re so willingly to blindly follow them is way outside your town meta

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:36 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:33 pm We’ve got to vote off tuutuu or Wilgy today both have shown themselves as being pretty clear mafia.

If Lucy names one of the three Chained player who everyone agrees is scummy I’d be willing to vote that wau, but I’m not blindly following an IC who frankly hasn’t been right all game

i'm 50% that you're mafia lol

Which you’ve thought since day 1 since I refuse you sheep you.

You’re an extremely bias IC this game and you can’t vaguely claim mech info to get everyone to do whay you want especially when we can all see what your role is

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:37 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:23 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:11 pm Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?

yes, there's this card called judgement

I see. This would do as well.

So Creature was either Absolved or is Zealot.

Seanzie flipping T seems to indicate that they were likely knowing to the Creature != Zealot then.

How would seanzie know that though

Perhaps Death or the Chariot? Idk, mechanics aren't my strong suit.

The only mechanic that could’ve spared creature is judgment or whatever the card is.

If Sean was 100% set that Creature was zealot I bet he had that said card.

Maybe he didn’t but occum razor here says that Creature is the Zealot.

This is the most likely scenario. I was a failed counter wagon that the wolves abandoned when the steam started to run out so they jumped back onto creature who’s the zealot since it resulted in no flips

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:39 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:36 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:33 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:31 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

I’m not listening to you sorry.

Good 'why' there mate.

I explained in the follow on post but have very clearly sinfe d1 stacked out the IC has no more say than anyone else.

The fact you’re so willingly to blindly follow them is way outside your town meta

Alright, so Oracle can claim.

No one has CC'd legitimately.

Either the Oracle is trolling or Lucy is trolling, but until there's a legitimate CC, I have no reason to think Lucy would take over the game for no discernable reason. I'd say this is the heaviest the hand has been and that means something.

The oracle did claim?

I’m not saying she isn’t the oracle I’m saying there’s no reason to listen to her.

Also have you been paying attention? She’s tried to take over the game since day 1. The majority of the player base minus the wolfy players are ignoring her.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:42 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:41 pm i'd like to repeat that i believe creature was not zealot

and that every town has to vote with me in my order, or we lose, and mafia knows i know the landmines

fixed

If you think he’s not the zealot but mafia why aren’t we getting him out today?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:43 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:40 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:37 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:23 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:11 pm Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?

yes, there's this card called judgement

I see. This would do as well.

So Creature was either Absolved or is Zealot.

Seanzie flipping T seems to indicate that they were likely knowing to the Creature != Zealot then.

How would seanzie know that though

Perhaps Death or the Chariot? Idk, mechanics aren't my strong suit.

The only mechanic that could’ve spared creature is judgment or whatever the card is.

If Sean was 100% set that Creature was zealot I bet he had that said card.

Maybe he didn’t but occum razor here says that Creature is the Zealot.

This is the most likely scenario. I was a failed counter wagon that the wolves abandoned when the steam started to run out so they jumped back onto creature who’s the zealot since it resulted in no flips

Sean said he'd bet his life the Creature wasn't the Zealot yesterday.

Did I miss something or is this just nonsense?

Oh I thought he bet his life he was oops.

Well the rest of my point still stands

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:44 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:30 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?

mac->spf->creature->one in porscha/sig->x

well thanks for giving me a reason to ignore everything you say today

i dont care that youre town, youre playing badly if you are letting mechanics get in the way of basic scumhunting. you should know that i'm not mafia and i doubt that mac is mafia either

I’ve got more thoughts on this but imma wait for the 24 hour mark and to see Macs post

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:30 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:29 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:28 pm Lucy didn't you say your powers didn't work or an I misremembering

there's no way you're town after saying this, thanks for the wolf claim

however no, i was able to use my ability on every night

Not wolf but thanks for trying. I'm trying to get clarity of what's going on

This cracked me up

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:12 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Wait are we this close to losing?

If you’re town yes if you’re mafia no

13 total so 8 to 5 right now with 1 survivor style civ.

Mis vote + night lile is 6 to 5

We’ve got two phases left

I 100% think mafia is spreading chaos and have been this entire game. I think they’ve been using Lucy/Allison posts to assist in that and I think since this day has started it’s clear people are just flooding the thread with nonesense

Which don’t get me wrong it’s super fun I’m enjoying it buuuuut it isn’t helpful.

Tuutuu
Wilgy
Jack
Creature
Sabie?/bereft

These are the 5

Mac making it to end game or this far is meaningless when he hasn’t caught a single mafia member and isn’t super engaged + as sabie pointed out (major civ points there) we haven’t had many planned night kills we’ve got multiple protection and a suicide bomber card as well. It makes sense for mafia to target civ people who aren’t going to get protected.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:20 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:41 pm i'd like to repeat that creature was not zealot

and that every town has to vote with me in my order, or we lose, and mafia knows i know the landmines

Is there a losing order?

This is why following her makes no sense.

There’s no loosing order and she isn’t even confident on her reads.

I’ve gone from solid mafia to maybe to solid to 50%. That isn’t someone we should be following at this point in the games

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:23 pm Sig, we get it, you're zealot.

Nah I wish

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:23 pm sabi/sig/mac/spf/x

Every phase and shit even in this phase you’ve switched your mafia team around and demanded people vote your way. Maybe that worked on your home site or on MU, but like you aren’t going to get good results here using that strategy.

If anything you’re laying the PERFECT cover for mafia right now to just blindly vote, take no blame, and move on. Which is exactly what happened from you and TuuTuu being so gung oh to follow Allison and causing the roxy flip.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:52 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:22 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:20 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:41 pm i'd like to repeat that creature was not zealot

and that every town has to vote with me in my order, or we lose, and mafia knows i know the landmines

Is there a losing order?

This is why following her makes no sense.

There’s no loosing order and she isn’t even confident on her reads.

I’ve gone from solid mafia to maybe to solid to 50%. That isn’t someone we should be following at this point in the games

Don't worry you're still a solid mafia for me

No you

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:33 am Lucy and mac are there *any* players who you both could agree to on a flip today. As long as it isnt game losing, even if it isnt even ideal? Like maybe a shift away from the big 4 focus could be useful right now

Anyway goodnight

Nope this isn’t the road to go down since we’re two votes away from this being end game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:16 am @falcon45ca
@Sabiplz
@staypositivefriend
@Bereft
@sig
@Porscha

If any of you are intending to vote for myself or SPF today and sheep Lucy please let me know because I'm not going to try very hard if the game is already over.

If the 7 of us can coalesce and vote together on a mafia that'd be great.

Yea I’m down.

I’ll follow on by saying if Mac is mafia he’s got an entirely new set of meta than he’s had for like the 3+ years we’ve played together

And it’s not my fault at all of town looses

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:04 pm @Dennis i was just mentally preparing a message for you to vote spf and whether or not you understood mechanics

thankfully you do understand mechanics

however if we mislynch here we lose

and 2 mechanically confirmed mafia currently on tutuu which is the part that spews her town for me

nothing else to say to you that rereading d5 can’t show you

besides the important fact tutuu has pointed out, mafia need 1 town to vote with them and town loses

We have one more phase if we misvote here.

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:16 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:07 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:57 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:22 am @staypositivefriend please persuade me that Creature is not zealot. I don't want to chop him again and it not work.

I think it would be very hard for us to be misled into thinking that zealot in Sig/Porscha is not good info and you should reread if you didnt know this.

My understanding was that sig/porscha is the one who played the card that stopped the chop. I could have forgotten already.

I give up at this point. No and no.

This is why all these “mech” talk is pointless nobody even knows what the mech is and is just claiming other people are bad for said mech

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:12 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:12 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:04 pm @Dennis i was just mentally preparing a message for you to vote spf and whether or not you understood mechanics

thankfully you do understand mechanics

however if we mislynch here we lose

and 2 mechanically confirmed mafia currently on tutuu which is the part that spews her town for me

nothing else to say to you that rereading d5 can’t show you

besides the important fact tutuu has pointed out, mafia need 1 town to vote with them and town loses

We have one more phase if we misvote here.

zealot exists making it a loss, mafia has stacked on tutuu

That’s only if we accidentally hit the zealot next phase if we vote out a mafia member who isn’t zealot we’re fine

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:42 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:09 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:34 pm Lucy’s third target was Seanzie. Seanzie died and flipped vanilla town.

Judgement played by Seanzie/SPF/Mac. Ergo, at least one wolf in SPF/Mac.

@Bereft why did you not consider this theoretically possible scenario?

Its obviously theoretically possible that one of Mac and SPF played the judgement card that saved Creature. Its rather obvious that you picked Mac/SPF/prolly Seanzie because theyre now conftown but werent previously. The issue is that I dont care because I think Mac and SPF are town and the math on that judgement card being the only judgement card in play is horrible.

If this is accurate why not vote for creature this phase then?

I just don’t get how out of a new pov of five (maybe) we’re deciding to go with SPF/Mac and not another wolfy player to at least confirm Lucy is correct.

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:00 pm Ok so >=1 in Mac/SPF or smtg

and we’re assuming they played the card for him and In doing so they’re mafia?

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:07 pm To summarize.

The No Hang means someone played the Judgement card that they received the night before the hang.

The person who received the Judgement card is within Mac/SPF/ ????

And ??? Better be Seanzie or smth otherwise I will flip out.

So since a Judgement card was used, one of Mac/SPF/??? played it.

Or he’s the zealot yes.

But, in my mind this isn’t a solid red check on anyone until we resolve creature. Macs last post was saying he thought it was T/T that could’ve been a civ move or it couldn’t have been idk.

My thing is why are we going with a maybe 50/50 shot, and assuming the mech is correct when it isn’t the same as a solid red check? Especially if we’re saying creature was saved by mafia, but he isn’t mafia? The world where mafia does that is slim and makes very little sense

I’ve got an issue with the NK argument since we’ve got so little data there.

Rondo was a universal town read so that one makes sense

Neon was an accident sk that makes sense

Sean I’ll reread his last phase and see what the legacy was there but he was also a town read by almost everyone.

Both of those kills makes sense especially with the number of protective cards floating around.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:20 pm @sig there are worlds where you are town because of porscha's vote, i'd like you to reread all of d5 again but more closely, you will not be voting tutuu if you do

and if you are town then porscha is outed mafia from your point of view

I’ll give it or attempt to give it a reread + iso Mac but why aren’t we voting for creature if he was saved?

My only issue right now (still mid reread) is that the wagonenomics don’t make sense atm.