The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
sig wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
sig wrote:RIP Epi/Silver

Hope to see you play again here Frog.

I'll do some NKA later after school. However, off the top of my head I think these results point to a mafia team with members inexperienced with this set up. We have eight potential set ups right now, out of 12. We can remove C, B, 2, and 6.

Can't be a vig kill, vig is on even night only I think.
How do you figure?
Using your extra night kill so early results in at least three world set ups being gone, that can hurt the mafia more since it narrow things down and helps the civs to figure out what world we are in. So it will hurt the mafia will claiming civ roles later in the game and make civ claims seem more real.
VOTE SIG

As I've already pointed out, there could be a civ vig and no mafia vig. This conclusion was reached on the belief that mafia made both kills last night.

I was asked and addressing the mafia portion. The chances of it being the vig kill is very very slim. 1 in 12 and then the vig killing Silver or Epi. This is a really weak reason to vote for me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
sig wrote:RIP Epi/Silver

Hope to see you play again here Frog.

I'll do some NKA later after school. However, off the top of my head I think these results point to a mafia team with members inexperienced with this set up. We have eight potential set ups right now, out of 12. We can remove C, B, 2, and 6.

Can't be a vig kill, vig is on even night only I think.
How do you figure?

Using your extra night kill so early results in at least three world set ups being gone, that can hurt the mafia more since it narrow things down and helps the civs to figure out what world we are in. So it will hurt the mafia will claiming civ roles later in the game and make civ claims seem more real.

Oh please lets not have another phase of Ika vs MP vs Golden vs ?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
sig wrote:RIP Epi/Silver

Hope to see you play again here Frog.

I'll do some NKA later after school. However, off the top of my head I think these results point to a mafia team with members inexperienced with this set up. We have eight potential set ups right now, out of 12. We can remove C, B, 2, and 6.

Can't be a vig kill, vig is on even night only I think.
We can still have C, because there is a civ vig in the one.

Yeah I didn't see that one at first, if we don't have an extra kill tomorrow we can discount the even night vig. Either way getting rid of three helps if mafia members try to role claim.

Actually never mind C is still viable just looked back there is a regular vig. However, I highly doubt it since neither Silver nor Epi make sense for that.

RIP Epi/Silver

Hope to see you play again here Frog.

I'll do some NKA later after school. However, off the top of my head I think these results point to a mafia team with members inexperienced with this set up. We have eight potential set ups right now, out of 12. We can remove C, B, 2, and 6.

Can't be a vig kill, vig is on even night only I think.

Epignosis wrote:
sig wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Why are we not bandwagoning sig? It's Day 1, people.
Hush you.

Sloonei wrote:
Golden wrote:
sig wrote:Do I like CFDs? No
However, if we are to CFD I'd want it to be one someone who I think is mafia and there is a larger chance he is mafia then inaword.
Well, in this you are ignoring the fact that in Turf Wars, the CFD happened because a bunch of people didn't like the candidates on the table and we thought there was a better chance of Fuzz being mafia than the two candidates who were on the table.

It's not like anyone said 'a CFD would be fun, why not?' Of course it is only a good tactic if you don't want any of the existing candidates lynched.

Similarly, I wouldn't have just made a three way tie if I felt any of the three candidates were people I felt strongly about not lynching. In Champs, I didn't like a big tie because I felt strongly that two of the candidates were town. It all comes down to how you feel about the people on the block, ultimately.
The bittersweet reality of that CFD was that we also had a perhaps better scum lynch caught in that threeway tie in Epi.
AND guess what I WAS RIGHT ABOUT EPI! :P
You were right and wrong about everyone. That's what happens when you guess every possible opinion.

Well I mean its worked so far so why switch my plan. :P

Watch and be amazed.
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DrWilgy - post history
Dyslexicon - post history
Frog - post history
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Inawordyes - post history
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Metalmarsh89 - post history
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Sloonei - post history
Soneji - post history
Zexy

Four of these people are mafia game solved. K? thanks bye :P

I'm going to sound very stupid here, but I don't like the Frog CFD either. :P
I don't think he is mafia and this CFD is even more last minute then inaword.

Unless there is a case agaisnt him, but besides Epi drunken theory I'm not seeing much? Let me review very quickly and see. I don't see much tbh.

However, if I have to pick between him and inaword I guess I'd pick him.

@Silver you saying we shouldn't lynch him since he isn't around and catching up, yet you're doing the same to inaword. Pleas explain how I didn't answer your question.

linki: What are you going on about Silver? I've honestly got no clue what you're talking about. I don't want to start one on him I've been agaisnt CFDing him since it started? I've got no clue why your trying to create a false narrative of how I've been playing.

Sloonei wrote:Why are we not bandwagoning sig? It's Day 1, people.

Hush you.

Sloonei wrote:
Golden wrote:
sig wrote:Do I like CFDs? No
However, if we are to CFD I'd want it to be one someone who I think is mafia and there is a larger chance he is mafia then inaword.
Well, in this you are ignoring the fact that in Turf Wars, the CFD happened because a bunch of people didn't like the candidates on the table and we thought there was a better chance of Fuzz being mafia than the two candidates who were on the table.

It's not like anyone said 'a CFD would be fun, why not?' Of course it is only a good tactic if you don't want any of the existing candidates lynched.

Similarly, I wouldn't have just made a three way tie if I felt any of the three candidates were people I felt strongly about not lynching. In Champs, I didn't like a big tie because I felt strongly that two of the candidates were town. It all comes down to how you feel about the people on the block, ultimately.
The bittersweet reality of that CFD was that we also had a perhaps better scum lynch caught in that threeway tie in Epi.

AND guess what I WAS RIGHT ABOUT EPI! :P

Unless you asked more questions later and I missed them.

@Golden yes it was rather stupid, however I was trying to provide an alternative to the inaword and MM lynch. I believe just like I believed last game that this is a scum driven CFD away from the mafia member. SO I might have been wrong last game about the CFD however, I'm confident this game that I'm not wrong and that this CFD is actually mafia driven and fake. Plus I really dislike Silver's thoughts on Soneji.

Do I like CFDs? No
However, if we are to CFD I'd want it to be one someone who I think is mafia and there is a larger chance he is mafia then inaword.

Though I do dislike that he was on early yet didn't say anything or switch his vote. Which also adds to my MM/him theory. Though I doubt it is the case since I don't think he is mafia.

linki: Yes Silver I did in fact you said I answered them and they made you feel better about me so what are you playing at?

Marco wrote:
sig wrote:Fine though if nobody wants to listen to me and switch there vote, then we can get to lynching the mafia tomorrow starting with those who are voting for Inaword, I'd actually right now like to lynch Silver. If either herself or Soneji flip mafia I'm confident the other is.

I could also see MM being mafia even if inaword does flip, which is why he didn't vote for him and tried to move it away from inaword a bit.
If it helps, Soneji's activity is not at all indicative of his alignment.

Okay thanks. This makes me less likely to lynch him today. I'd much rather we go with MM.

Fine though if nobody wants to listen to me and switch there vote, then we can get to lynching the mafia tomorrow starting with those who are voting for Inaword, I'd actually right now like to lynch Silver. If either herself or Soneji flip mafia I'm confident the other is.

I could also see MM being mafia even if inaword does flip, which is why he didn't vote for him and tried to move it away from inaword a bit.

And yes Epi they keep voting with each other every time, I dislike this. To easy for one to be scum and just follow the other. To answer your question he isn't a strong town no but lynching a new player to the site via CFD when he isn't even around leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Plus he is townier then MM. And I don't like CFDs.

I want you to vote for MM, since he is most likely mafia due to his play.

linki: There is a better chance to lynch MM and he is still above you in my mafia reads. THOUGH I do dislike your last post this is almost always said by mafia.

Silverwolf wrote:
sig wrote:So how about a counterwagon onto Soneji? Now that he has made a less then inspiring entrance.
Why would you want to start a cw? Is IAWY that strong town to you? And why not give Sonjei time to catch up?

Are you serious right now? YOU are lynching IAWY when he isn't here or caught up. And you make it seem bad I'm saying the same thing?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
sig wrote:So how about a counterwagon onto Soneji? Now that he has made a less then inspiring entrance.
Why?

You hate CFD's why should we lynch Soneji at this moment?

Linki: why don't you like them?

I do hate CFD's yes however, I'm fighting agaisnt a CFD which I believe is being used to save a baddie teammate. I know I"m not mafia so this is a slightly better CFD.

It seemed like he made some posts to appear and not be lurking, yet really didn't say anything that much. I also really disliked his vote and the fact he hasn't posted again since appearing or mention any of the big wagons and things going on.

Dyslexicon wrote:Wait, sig scum read Zebra. I was not prepared for this. *has a flail*

Why?

Hey everyone please look over Soneji's posts and tell me what you think. I don't like them at all, and I don't like his vote. Or the fact he hasn't posted again.

So how about a counterwagon onto Soneji? Now that he has made a less then inspiring entrance.

I really dislike Soneji's two posts. He came in seemed to make some so he wouldn't be lurking and voted Frog. I think he voted on weak reasoning and jjust wanted to throw out a vote which really wouldn't create any waves and avoided all the major wagons.

inawordyes, good to finally see you. How about you make some quick fire reads top three baddies/civvies.

I think I saw him post, but can't recall it.

We need one more vote on MM, or we can attempt to wagon away from both. Does anyone else have high reads they'd like to switch to. What content did we get from Sonji.

Dyslexicon wrote:
sig wrote:Dizzy I've already admitted that most of my reads are tone/gut that is my early play. I've ISO'd a few people and gave my reads/thoughts based on posts, so I don't see how your saying my reads are all unaccounted? Especially my mafia reads/votes which I think I explained.

I think inaword voted for Sonjie as a poke/RVS and hasn't he been gone since? I really don't see how this is enough to start a CFD day 1.

Also what is this MP is scum voting for scum thing? See I think that is stupid. There is no reason for mafia to vote for each other day 1 with so few mafia members. Especially when it is close. I want to know why Ika seems to be setting up wagons for future days?

linki: Golden every single time A CFD has happened to me it has hurt town except for last game. Usually it is done by mafia or paranoid town. Also I'd argue the CFD didn't help since everyone was then to focused on the CFD people and tunneled on them avoiding the mafia who weren't for the most part agaisnt the wagon.
I asked of you a brief explanation of why you suspect me, don't think you've answered. If it's a gut read or whatever that will do, but I have no clue. The other things you're saying here, I don't disagree with.

Oh sorry Dizzy I thought I answered, looking you over it is a low key gut ping, plus your jokey posts. While I do find them great Im always weary of people who come in like that if I haven't played with them. I did ISO you again and your provided enough content with your jokey posts that I don't see it to be an issue. So right now I'm still unsure of you, but would rather not lynch you today.

I've got my eye on Zebra, her switch reminds me of what Epi did in Turf war with the CFD. He didn't oppose it, but he wasn't agaisnt it.

I can't help, but think that I'm once again defending an inactive scum who is being CFD, however I'm not confident he is mafia and hate CFD espacilly onto lurkers who aren't around.

Marco wrote:
sig wrote:@MP I think you raise some good points, but I still believe it is cultural and I really really dislike Ika saying ppl who have played with him think he is mafia, when he specifically said he wasn't playing his MU meta. I mean I know I change my meta from here to MU, in fact I'm playing more like I would on my home site right now. So I don't like the meta case agaisnt him, espacilly with Ika pushing it. SO I call bullshit on the meta bad thing since while he is playing different then MU nobody here knows his home site meta. It seems opportunistic to do a meta push when so few people actually know his meta. That is the main reason why I don't like his wagon. However, I'd like to see more content from him I'd say if he doesn't improve we lynch him tomorrow.
Apparently, he has already stated that he's not going to put in any effort this game. How does that make you feel about the wagon?

I'll look it over, it partly makes me want to lynch him, but at the same time I think it is a more civvie thing to do. I don't want to CFD him though and I think MM looks scummier. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I don't think so.

If he doesn't increase his posting and continues to not care, I'd be fine with lynching him. However, I think the chances of him being scum is weaker then MM.

linki: Posts in which you make a lynch vote. So lynch posts.

Your most recent and mostly all of your lynch posts provide little to no thoughts.

Plus tunneling on Sloonei.

Yes you've made other posts, but they are few and I believe your only so active right now in an attempt to turn people off of your wagon and lynch a lurker instead. I think between you and inaword you're more likely to be mafia.

Never watched it, but it does look good.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
sig wrote:@MP Can you ISO MM and tell me what you think?
*brain explodes*

Yeah, I can do it, but it likely won't be until after D2 has begun. I'm not sure my brain can handle any more ISOs. That Wilgy one broke me.

If MP or MM are mafia I'd guarantee the other is.

@MP I think you raise some good points, but I still believe it is cultural and I really really dislike Ika saying ppl who have played with him think he is mafia, when he specifically said he wasn't playing his MU meta. I mean I know I change my meta from here to MU, in fact I'm playing more like I would on my home site right now. So I don't like the meta case agaisnt him, espacilly with Ika pushing it. SO I call bullshit on the meta bad thing since while he is playing different then MU nobody here knows his home site meta. It seems opportunistic to do a meta push when so few people actually know his meta. That is the main reason why I don't like his wagon. However, I'd like to see more content from him I'd say if he doesn't improve we lynch him tomorrow.

I think MM is trying to joke his way out of this lynch, by switching around and appearing jokey not serious mafia. I dislike his posts alot, they give no content what so ever, but makes him seem no lurky compared to other people.

@Golden I don't understand what you mean about over bussing?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Frog wrote:Oh god I'm so hungover.

Marco, I'll just sheep you for the EOD vote.
VOTE FROG

Yeah I'm fine with this vote brb.

Dizzy I've already admitted that most of my reads are tone/gut that is my early play. I've ISO'd a few people and gave my reads/thoughts based on posts, so I don't see how your saying my reads are all unaccounted? Especially my mafia reads/votes which I think I explained.

I think inaword voted for Sonjie as a poke/RVS and hasn't he been gone since? I really don't see how this is enough to start a CFD day 1.

Also what is this MP is scum voting for scum thing? See I think that is stupid. There is no reason for mafia to vote for each other day 1 with so few mafia members. Especially when it is close. I want to know why Ika seems to be setting up wagons for future days?

linki: Golden every single time A CFD has happened to me it has hurt town except for last game. Usually it is done by mafia or paranoid town. Also I'd argue the CFD didn't help since everyone was then to focused on the CFD people and tunneled on them avoiding the mafia who weren't for the most part agaisnt the wagon.

ika wrote:
sig wrote:I was agaisnt the CFD last game and look what that got me, so I need to think it over a bit. However, as of right now I'm agaisnt it. He doesn't really seem scummy at all. What is the case on him?

After reading him over I'm just seeing a culture clash.
hes lurking and sevral who know him say thats scum MO?

and not only that, but rememebr last game as you mentioned it was on scum?

Yes however, it is rare for a CFD to hit scum, and funny you should mention last game sine the CFD in the long run lead to towns defeat. We'd have been better without the CFD that game.

Didn't MP even admit in his case it could be a cultural thing? If so I'm not sure I'm trusting MP right now. I've also got you Ika as a scum lean so I'm really not happy with it atm.

Also he has already said he isn't playing his MU game, just like I'm not playing the same I do on TS all the time. So none of these people has seen his home site play. And I know for a fact I will switch my game play/meta based on the site I'm on.

@MP Can you ISO MM and tell me what you think?

I was agaisnt the CFD last game and look what that got me, so I need to think it over a bit. However, as of right now I'm agaisnt it. He doesn't really seem scummy at all. What is the case on him?

After reading him over I'm just seeing a culture clash.

Okay I'm good with MM, I did an ISO didn't see much but I saw enough that I'm fine with a day 1 lynch of him over zebra/MP.

His vote for Sloonie was really weird, and besides that he doesn't give much content, plus all his posts have pinged my gut.

VOTE METALMARSH89

I don't like MMs vote for sloonie it seemed like an easy scum vote, which wouldn't draw to much suspicion or really take off.

I'll look it over MP

Yo @Everyone online top three people you'd lynch today?

Mainly this is directed at Ika/Silver/MP/Zebra

Let me do a quick ISO of MM, I also looked over Dizzy he is strangish? I'm not sure if it is a culture clash or what. So I'm putting that on the shelf for the time.

Marco hasn't been very active today. And like I said LC seems to have almost no presence besides his Sloonei vote.

Ah okay thanks.

linki: Thanks zebra though you were a little to late. :P

Is LC usually more or less quite as a mafia member?

@MM can you explain your vote for Sloonie?

Also all what do you think of MM he doesn't have many posts, some fillers. He also has a scum read on MP yet doesn't say anything about it. (Pot calling kettle black ik) :P

linki: What does QFT mean?

Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I'm town and I'd like to keep playing, but keeping MP alive takes the top priority right now.

VOTE A2THEZEBRA
I appreciate the confidence and that someone actually seems content in helping avoid a mislynch, but let's try and redirect this towards another individual. I'm town reading you enough to not want you lynched either.
Have you considered the possibility she is mafia goon and wants to take you out behind her tomorrow.

Why not just kill MP tonight or lynch vote him? It seems like a waste of a mafia member.

Golden
MM
Psittacitform
Soneji
Sloonie

I'm not voting for Golden or Soneji today. If someone gives me a case on Sloonie and it is good I'd consider it, but won't build it myself. I could swing for MM, but again haven't seen a case on him. Psittacitform is the one I'd be most willing to vote for out of this group atm. However, I'm hesitant since he only has two posts. Though we've had 60 hours to make posts and him only making two is a little odd.

The other angle is Frog, could he be mafia trying to push us onto lurkers? Maybe, but I'm not confident in that.

I do really dislike Silver's read on Zebra/MP. I doubt MP is mafia and at the moment I'm thinking Zebra isn't either. However, if I have to pick between Zebra and MP I'd go for Zebra.

@Zebra who would you like to lynch?

linki: Zebra so your saying I should lynhc you since you're mafia attempting a gambit.

:P

Okay well, this makes me not want to lynch Zebra, (I also looked over the spirit away game again and did a quick ISO) so that plus her voting to save MP has shaken my read. We are also seeing an increase in her activity which I like.

There is a world she is mafia with MP and is voting for herself to save a scum buddy, however this makes no sense. Zebra is mafia flips scum, we lynch MP tomorrow. There is no reason for this as mafia. In theory it could be a mind game, but that is a big gambit and I doubt it is the case here. Let me think on things.

I see two votes for Sloonie is there a case on sloonie?

DrWilgy wrote:Nothing I can elaborate on currently.

it's my phones battery though. Died out so now I can't do anything for more than a few min without it dying

Ugh that sucks.

I see.

I also seeeeee Wilgy. Any thoughts Wilgy?

Frog wrote:No one is playing this game - im most town - everyone pile onto marshmellow with me.

Literally, not even doing what I thought I'd do because Im drunk and fuck it. Trsut me. I'm fergalicious etc.

(hit it Forgieee!)

We've got 1000 posts day 1 plus still like ten hours we've had a good amount of play for day 1. However, I haven't seen you give a case agaisnt MM. Your insistent to lynch him, plus promising to push Pirf is weird.

Golden wrote:
sig wrote:Zebra popped in yet didn't post. I'm really starting to feel this Zebra vote.

@Golden what do you think of Zebra and Matt?
Matt is definitely not playing this game. If he was he would be tunnelling on me.

Not a fan of zebra this game. She may well be truthful in her feeling on the low poster idea, but if I were town I'd be much more inclined to come in and explain why I've been a low poster - not to criticise the entire concept. I think in some ways Frog is right that perhaps the most useful outcome of his idea is to look at who opposes it a little too hard.

Oops I got my games confused. Okay thanks.

So I looked over Wilgy, he hasn't been very active (says his phone is dead don't doubt it) He has some fluff, but also a little bit of content I don't want him lynched today.

Though I'd like you to explain your stance on Golden?

Also y'all post way to much it feels just like MU. :P

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