The Syndicate

But, why would Bass be a target for this anyway? I think there are enough situations that we can't predict who was if anyone silenced. The silencer could be blocked, maybe they were inactive, or something else entirely. I think the chances of Matt being Montoya is slim, and either way as of right know he'd be a good person to lynch. I'm also not seeing Enrique or Bulls as scummy.

For Nero I don't recall a case against him besides the fact Matt thinks he could be mafia?

Renee Montoya
"Takes a person into custody each Night. That person cannot post or vote the next Day."

If Matt was cursed by Joker I think it is more likely that he is a bad role, and that is why he is acting the way he is.

I disagree with Mac about the made insane thing, I highly doubt it is something we haven't seen on TS. That seems very far fetched.

I also still think Glorfindel sounds slightly weird, but as off right know I don't think he is mafia so I won't be pursuing that for the time.

Floyd came in and made a rather weird post, quoting something I said day 0 and then mentioning Glorfindel I don't like that at all. It is like he saw Glorfindel was in my cross hairs and a topic of discussion so he mentioned him, and then left. This also made me feel better about Glorfindel and worse about Floyd.

linki: I don't believe those silenced can vote this game?

Wait Matt are you saying Enrique and Nero are on the same team?

@Enrique nice case, I'll defiantly consider voting for Matt, however I would like to see his responses.

@Matt two questions.
1. Why Nero I don't see the case against him?
2. Why are you saying Enrique is target painting you?

Oh I also read over Glorfindel's Star Wars and Pikimon game, he defiantly isn't playing the same as in Pikimon, but not as obviously strange as in Star Wars. You claimed you weren't mafia okay maybe that is true. So tell me which Inmate are you Glorfidnel?

linki: okay thanks for answering.

Okay I spent the last phase talking about it the only reason for why you are regurgitating something that is for all purposes over is to try and get me lynched. My arguments was it would be more beneficial for the civs then hurtful. Mafia would be sharing info amongst themselves anyway. We discussed it in depth last phase and I ceded that I was in the wrong and stopped pushing for it. You want more about it ISO me it is all there. Again why out of all the stuff going on are you focusing on this again today? ALSO earlier you claimed when we should look into people who where pro info sharing that you weren't accusing me of anything or even addressing me about it. Funny that know you are know singling me out for this alone and not anyother players. So tell me did you lie earlier when you said you weren't addressing me at all? Since this is all a springboard from your first post of the phase.

juliets wrote:TH, is there any part of your case on sig that you still feel strongly about? I'm trying to figure out why there are two votes on him this early and i saw your response to MP that you didn't think most of your case was valid anymore. I get the part about him pushing us to share our info, and the issue regarding Wilgy that's recent but I'm not finding much else. I'm going to delve into zebras posts and see if I can find her reasons but you are the one who had the case on him so I'm curious as to your thoughts at the present. (Sorry if you've said it this morning - I missed it if you did).

Th did replay to this, but I think it is worth mentioning the first time MP brought up me as being a baddie he tried to use TH case against me and get TH to think about lynching me. After TH responded, he switched to me mentioning Wilgy means I'm mafia and that yesterday was a successfully attempt to save me yet he doesn't say who saved me? While I'm on that subject if in theory I was mafia which I'm not I'd have had only one teammate so I truly don't see his case that I was in danger of being lynched yesterday yet got saved by my team.

linki: No problem Nero, What do you think of MP and Enrique? Also MM random day 1 voting is par for the course and I believe he does it regardless of alignment. Do you have any other reasons for suspecting him?

Just a quick little note I think Nero has only played like one game, without a theme/abilities nearly as complex as this.

Where is Eke, Floyd, and Equivocate I'd like to see some more posts from them.

I don't know what is up with this info thing Zebra is going on about but, that you are know using that as a tool to get me lynched over Matt is pingy. Your early vote is just as suspicious as his Zebra, maybe even more so since he did say he wouldn't be around.

I don't see the case against Enrique at all? It seems people suspect Nero for posting about the Riddler? But, if he is how is he on Enrique's team? I'm confused with that whole argument.

Glad I took your "bait". Please instead of cursing explain yourself since this post made no sense. I was pretending to suspect people who disagreed with the host? This makes no sense? This is such a weak reason, and the fact with five plus days of play and 2145 posts this is the only thing suspicious enough for you to vote and inf act this is sooo suspicious your going to vote this early in the phase is sad. Your either being lazy, or your trying to find a weak reason to vote for someone. You are tunneling way to hard right know.

What do you think of MP voting for me based around me mentioning Wilgy? What do you think of every other discussion going on right know?
I'll say this again the fact you voted so early doesn't only prove your tunneling it is also irresponsibly when votes aren't changeable.

Zebra you tunnel on me like crazy and you are usually wrong, but you usually have a better argument then I don't even think you have one? Neither does MP really.

@Golden what do you think of MP?

a2thezebra wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I think sig was saved yesterday. Let's lynch him.

Count me in.

Glad you explained why your lynching me.

Nerolunar wrote:

sig wrote:We don't know for sure if it was robin or not though, and laying out the information is different then the amount of focus your putting on Robin imo.

How exactly is talking about Robin "laying our information"? Most people advocate that Wilgy was Robin and he is dead. What happened last night is still a mystery and it´s not going to solve itself. Every lynch and NK should be used to gather information and to eventually arrive at conclusions. Being stale and avoiding burning subjects is far worse.

Linki @Enrique I understand your concern.

Lots of linki.

MP first used the wording laying out all the information. So we where laying out information. However, I'm saying he wasn't just laying out informatin, but trying to Robin hunt.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

sig wrote:Wait your voting for me since I was saved? This is rich for what reasons? Since I mentioned Wilgy less then you or since I said you are fishing for information? Why are you freaking out so much that your threatening to vote for me and saying I should vote for you simply since I voiced some suspicion of you?

You are sounding unhinged. Also please explain how I was "saved" when nobody minus two players suspected me? You tried to run TH case against me that didn't work so know your making up other reasons.

You received attention and votes d1, but both Wilgy and Scotty received more votes than you. It's possible that you were saved.

If you think I'm bad, vote for me. I'm not making up reasons; now you're the one making stuff up and I feel better about my vote.

And as to casting my vote now, I'm going to be busy the rest of today and have a pretty full day tomorrow, so I'm not even sure when I'd have been back to vote. I feel good enough about voting for you.

This makes no sense, I was saved because other people voted for Wilgy and Scotty? People who weren't suspicious of me didn't vote for me and voted for other people how is this "saving"? Both of them where talked about before anyone voted for me, both had been mentioned throughout the day? You are making no sense here at all. I'm not making anything up, you haven't even said what I'm making up. Again why are you so eager to vote so early? Why are you trying to say I look like mafia for not wanting to vote right away?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Enrique, I have to leave in a few minutes, and I barely will be back the rest of the day. I didn't even know I'd be here this morning. When I had my thought last night, who's to say Scotty wouldn't have been lynched today? What benefit would I have had to keep that theory to myself?

And now I feel like I've said what I need to say on the matter. If anyone thinks I'm suspicious for it, so be it. But I'm fine with my vote being on sig for reasons I previously stated, as well as his behavior today regarding this Wilgy stuff. Go back and read it, he really wanted to talk about it, and now he's saying I'm talking too much about it, but he won't commit to it with a vote, or even an accusation of me. He's a fine vote for today in my opinion.

I don't really have any more time, so I'll be back at some point. Not sure when.

You are misunderstanding whether purposely or not me. I did want to discuss Wilgy yes. HOWEVER, you preivously said I seemed scummy for discussing him at all. My response was that you are talking about Wilgy more then I was, yes saying I was scummy for also talking about him? So I don't see your point. I'm not voting when we are less the twenty four hours into this phase voting so early is foolish imo. I also don't understand how I'm scummy for not voting yet or accusing you enough???

Wait your voting for me since I was saved? This is rich for what reasons? Since I mentioned Wilgy less then you or since I said you are fishing for information? Why are you freaking out so much that your threatening to vote for me and saying I should vote for you simply since I voiced some suspicion of you?

You are sounding unhinged. Also please explain how I was "saved" when nobody minus two players suspected me? You tried to run TH case against me that didn't work so know your making up other reasons.

We don't know for sure if it was robin or not though, and laying out the information is different then the amount of focus your putting on Robin imo.

How is he target painting?

Turnip Head wrote:

sig wrote:I'm not sure about TH first he tried to get me lynched and that didn't pan out, so he switched to Scotty on flimsy reasons.

We cleared up our misunderstanding sig and I dropped it, do you think that was a disingenuous move on my part (by characterizing it as "didn't pan out")? And I never switched to Scotty If you're talking about Wilgy, you can call my reasons flimsy if you want to. I don't see anyone else coming out with bulletproof cases on Day 1.

Oh I thought you focused on Wilgy then voted for Scotty? Sorry about that. No I don't think it was disingenuous, I used poor wording there. What do you think of MP bringing up your case on me?

linki: Fishing for Robin's identity. If Wilgy isn't Robin, then someone else is and you are thinking they stopped the lynch so either it is Scotty or a third unknown who stopped the lynch. You seem to be talking about it an awful lot and fishing for information about Robin. If Robin is a third person and neither Scotty or Wilgy then he might be inclined to hint such in the thread even if they didn't do anything. It seems to be like your focusing just a little bit to much on Robin. While at the same time accusing me of focusing on Wilgy's death to much even though you are doing the same and attempting to figure out a pro civ roles.

linki: I don't think Scotty is on the table as a major lynch candidate at all today?

I mentioned Wilgy's death three times. You've mentioned him and your robin theory naming him directly seven times.

Yes Enriques got it MP, you keep mentioning him about lynch saving it seems like you are fishing.

@TH okay let me find it.

You mentioned Wilgy again MP.

juliets wrote:

Enrique wrote: I'm assuming this is what happened

Anyone who targets The Joker will be made insane by the toxic flower on his lapel. He needs Batman, Gordon, Falcone, and Maroni dead. *Secrets*

You know what's great about that? Not only do crazy people know who the Joker is, but it narrows down their possible roles by a lot.

So it's not a good look for Matt either way, but I was hoping he could give us a better lynch option for today.

Enrique, i lost you here. Why would someone who is insanified know who the Joker is and why does it narrow down their possible roles?[/quote

@Juliets.

"The Joker
Anyone who targets The Joker will be made insane by the toxic flower on his lapel. He needs Batman, Gordon, Falcone, and Maroni dead. *Secrets*"

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Re: sig, I get a nervous feeling from some of sig's posts, and I felt like he was dwelling a lot on the "why did Wilgy die?", seemed like unnecessary WIFOM to me. I also think Turnip Head's observation regarding why sig didn't mention the suspicion was an astute point.

I mentioned it yes, but so did you? In fact one could say your role hunting for robin if he is still alive.

@Matt do you think you where cursed by someone or you did something like target someone and that got you cursed?

linki: Stop posting when I'm trying to submit.

Glorfindel wrote:

sig wrote:What do you think of Zebra with her info sharing, then after getting heat claiming it was a trap?
Why should we look into the map people more?
Also I've never been proven wrong in this context since I've never lead a lynch successfully on a civ before, but there is a first time for everything. I'll ISO and do a quick read over of your past two games and see what I see, but I think I'm right and that you are anti town this game.

I don't think Zebra should have shared her information but on the other hand, how do we know she didn't lie about what she learnt? It's true, she did subsequently claim that it was a trap. Whether it was or not and if it was, what was the point of it? I'd respectfully recommend you ask Zebra. As I've stated before (and it should be blatantly obvious by now) there are many players in this game with experience and skill far superior to mine. I'd count Zebra as one of those. I too would like to know what it is she hoped to have achieved by doing what she did but I wouldn't know

As I said earlier in this post, I don't know specifically why it is not in our best interests not to talk about the map (and presumably information we find there/or don't find there as the case may be) but I'm prepared to take the rule (14) at face value. My question to you, Sig (and yes, any other player supporting the information sharing position) - is why in this instance do you advocate tossing Rule 14 aside with gay abandon? I suppose that to an extent we have Zebra's answer in that she used the debate to set some elaborate trap But what about you, Sig and anyone else who's supported information sharing?

I don't like this you seem like you don't want to criticizes Zebra at all. You say we should take a closer look at map sharing people, but then brush off that Zebra shared stuff by saying maybe she lied. You've also not answered for why we should take a closer look at them. Players having more experience means nothing, you also seem to be excusing her based around the fact you think she is a much better player then you and I don't like that. I've already answered why I thought sharing what we learned was good and I'm not reopening whether or not we should share information. Know I'm talking to you about your post which seemed like a set up for people who advocated for sharing, yes you seem to not count Zebra in that group?


I'm not sure about TH first he tried to get me lynched and that didn't pan out, so he switched to Scotty on flimsy reasons. I'd need to think about him more, but right know I still think Glorfindel is bad.

Glorfindel wrote:

bea wrote:I feel like the thing between sig and glor is more rooted in a history I've not experienced with them. At times I find myself siding with both of them. And then second guessing each time I side with one or the other of them.

It is true bea that Sig and I have played many Mafia games together and believe it or not, outside of Mafia games we're really good friends I genuinely care about the guy a great deal. He's probably the player with whose playstyle I feel most familiar. I've been burnt that many times by him though in these games, I know just what he's capable of...

Having said that, I'm not outright accusing him of anything or threatening him in any way. Again, I just felt uncomfortable with some of the statements he's made and asked for an explanation.

I would say this thing isn't really rooted in history. We are slightly more familiar with each others playstyle and I have tricked him in a few games as mafia. However, my suspicion of him this game has nothing to do with our history I'm simply gut reading his niceness as not genuine. Usually I find it obvious if he is being genuine or not, this game not so much.

@MP why am I so low on your list?

linki: Is Matt cursed or?

What do you think of Zebra with her info sharing, then after getting heat claiming it was a trap?
Why should we look into the map people more?
Also I've never been proven wrong in this context since I've never lead a lynch successfully on a civ before, but there is a first time for everything. I'll ISO and do a quick read over of your past two games and see what I see, but I think I'm right and that you are anti town this game.

Glorfindel wrote:

Scotty wrote:The thing that's been bugging me about Glorf is how, as I've been reading his posts, he is careful not to upset the masses. The only notable person I've seen him offer up on the table is sig, and his civ labeling is even longer. Everything about him seems like he is attempting to appear nice, and, to borrow SVS' term, appease everyone.

Anyone else notice that?

Don't know how to break this to you Scotty but I AM nice! Go take a look at my previous games here and especially Pikmin - I was Town there (quasi-power role) and my behaviour there wouldn't be any different to this game.

You don't seem as genuine in your niceness this game. Also using your niceness meta as an excuse for being town is untrue. If they read over your baddie game here (star wars) they will see you where nice there to.

Turnip Head wrote:If you'd prefer I will use the term "main person" instead. I wasn't using it in a negative connotation.

Okay ringleader is fine then it sounds cooler.


@Floyd have a fun catch up when your done please tell me what you think of the three who voted for you, as well as the tied lynch, who you would have voted for, and any theories on Wilgy's death. Thanks in advance.

linki: @Scotty Yes as I said earlier Glorf is always nice and carefully words things etc. However, as mafia he tries to act the same way and usually his posts just come out as slightly off. He is unable to keep up the nice Glorfindel act without well sounding off. I've had gut pings of him all of day 1 and I'm convinced he isn't pro civ. I will say this I'm usually 100% right on Glorfindel if he is a civ you can tell, however I've got the same vibe as I did in Star Wars some of his posts seemed like his usually self others seemed like he was trying to be his regular self, I was right in Star Wars, but never pushed him to hard mainly since I was trying to turn to the Dark Side and thought he might be a future teammate. :P

If he is mafia then he is the second team, if not mafia then he is an inmate. Either way it would be in our best interest to vote for him imo. However, I'll wait and see what else comes up.


linki 2: They are my words yes, but it is mainly me you are addressing, at least that is how I see it. Seeing how I was the leading player defending map sharing. Okay why should we look closer at them? I also would like your opinion on Zebra info sharing which you have yet to give? I'm also not agitated at all, I'm just pumped and in the mood to catch some baddies.

You haven't really answered either of my two questions, you've kinda gone around them your also trying to make it seem like I'm mad or only going after you since you mentioned looking at map players which isn't true. You are whether if you admit it or not targeting me and painting me in an unfriendly light with your posts. Saying I'm aggressive, have something to hide, am loosing my cool, etc

I'd be up for a Glorfindel lynch today. I will ISO him tomorrow, but my gut is telling me he isn't pro civ at all.

@MP what do you think about the fact Wilgy was close to getting lynched and then got NK'd?

linki: I didn't like the term ringleader it sounded negative, I was basically alone in arguing that point, and didn't lead anyone. However, I was the main person if that makes any sense?

Glorfindel wrote:

sig wrote:Glorfindel I'm almost convinced your a baddie at this point. Gordon a player with no additional information said to not share evidence okay cool, NOT we should look at the players who where for it. Which was mainly me, Zebra, and Dfraday. This seems like your trying to start the wheels of my lynch especially since the only argument used against me yesterday to justify my lynch was me advocating for us to share map information. If he wanted us to look more closely at certain players I'd think he'd have said it. He is going along with the general thoughts in the thread no map sharing, and Team Bat are good.
I'm also curious you seemed to have ignored zebra sharing information in an attempt to "trap" me?

Could wilgy's death have anything to do with him being on the right track about a player? He didn't have many posts, but I agree with MP he seemed like a random choice for the first NK, unless they thought he was the other mafia team and so far in my experience here on TS the mafia don't gun for each other this early. Thoughts?

Keep your shirt on Sig! I'm not trying to "trap" you at all. What I said was hat given the information in Gordon's message (and Epi's remark at the start of the game that has already been discussed previously on this topic) it appears to me sharing any information we individually receive is imprudent. Clearly (to me at least) we are better not sharing the information we find. Yes, I did say that I thought it worth looking again more critically at those who advocated sharing such information. I NEVER mentioned your name and yet, you've taken what I said as some kind of blatant accusation. Why so sensitive? If I didn't know better, I'd think you had something to hide...

Well I'm hiding my chest since you told me to keep my shirt on but besides that nothing else. I'm NOT arguing for info sharing today. You didn't need to mention me by name seeing how I was the main person arguing the pros of map sharing, not to mention two players voted for me based around me wanting to share our info. So you didn't say my name but it was directed at me to say otherwise would mean you aren't paying much attention to why I got two votes or that whole discussion as a whole. Why should we look critically at the three players who where pro info sharing? The fact that you are trying to redirect discussion onto the map argument again is just very pingy. Also you didn't answer me about Zebra please do.

Note I'm not saying you aren't paying attention, I'm saying your mafia/Inmate trying to set up my lynch.

linki: I wasn't the ringleader I just argued that it was more beneficial to the civs then the mafia. Saying ringleader makes me sound bad imo, which I dislike.

MovingPictures07 wrote:sig, wtf?! Breaking Bad is amazing. And the characters are supposed to be flawed. :P

I'm up to episode six just not feeling it.
Flawed is all well and good, but flawed and annoying? If that is the life of a meth dealer count me out.

That looks like a mean plank from Ed Edd and Eddy.

I don't understand the Breaking Bad hype? The characters are annoying though I'd like to play a mafia game based around it so I could help get rid of the annoying characters :P

So I skimmed over Wilgy's posts. One possibly role hint which I doubt and then his rainbow list.

DrWilgy wrote:Based soley on result of yesterdays lynch, I wouldn't try to lynch Scotty again btw. (Still 900 posts behind. Still think TH is a badewd.)

I suppose a "thoughts at this point rainbow" may be needed before EoN. I may not be here.
Scotty
Zebra
Mac
Everyone else
Dom
Bea
TH

So he might not have been a priority player to be lynched again today, but what are the chances he was killed for being on the right track? I'm not putting much stake in this at all and I wouldn't even use this as a reason to vote for someone but I think it is worth bringing up.
What I find really interesting is that he was almost lynched then NK'd. I think someone really wanted to get rid of Wilgy.

Which also adds to the idea he at some point mentioned a mafia member and that they are hoping that in killing him it will be forgotten.

Glorfindel I'm almost convinced your a baddie at this point. Gordon a player with no additional information said to not share evidence okay cool, NOT we should look at the players who where for it. Which was mainly me, Zebra, and Dfraday. This seems like your trying to start the wheels of my lynch especially since the only argument used against me yesterday to justify my lynch was me advocating for us to share map information. If he wanted us to look more closely at certain players I'd think he'd have said it. He is going along with the general thoughts in the thread no map sharing, and Team Bat are good.
I'm also curious you seemed to have ignored zebra sharing information in an attempt to "trap" me?

Could wilgy's death have anything to do with him being on the right track about a player? He didn't have many posts, but I agree with MP he seemed like a random choice for the first NK, unless they thought he was the other mafia team and so far in my experience here on TS the mafia don't gun for each other this early. Thoughts?

That can't be good.

@MP Mafia is defiantly more important then your PhD I mean you can go back and get that whenever there will only be one Epi n LC Arkham Asylum game :P

Glorfindel wrote:

sig wrote:Okay, but here is what I don't understand everyone knew who she was going to vote for, she said she would have voted for him. Why is it suspicious that she failed to vote for him? If it was a player who already had three votes causing a three way tie then maybe or if she was planning to vote for one of the players who did tie for first maybe, but that wasn't the case?

linki: I NEVER said I didn't know there was a tie in fact I addressed that in my post. I didn't like either case so I didn't vote for either player if I had I'd be under even more suspicion no matter what they flipped as

I do find it odd you are going with the line of attack that I didn't see there was a tie when I talked about it in my latest post.

My point is though (and you seem to have missed this) that you came on, saw the votes were tied and not knowing whether or not that would potentially result in a no lynch at all, chose not to break the tie but to vote for someone else? And no, had you voted for one of the lead wagons on the basis that you felt it was incumbent on you to break the tie and avoid the possibility of a non-lynching, I certainly wouldn't have considered too suspicious - in fact after the number of times I've seen players do that it wouldn't have surprised me at all irrespective of the outcome.

No you specifically said this. I would have been suspicious of anyone who voted last minute for one of the two leading wagons without agreeing with or even knowing fully the case for either. It is also not my responsibility alone to break a tie, especially if I don't like either wagon, that seems like mafia logic to me.

Glorfindel wrote: Your argument here doesn't make sense to me Sig. You have ALWAYS been one of those "Must lynch Day 1' Types. Despite having only two minutes to vote when you came on, are you seriously telling me that you didn't check to see the status of the votes and wasn't aware that there was a tie? With no certainty about what the result of a tie might be, you chose to go for someone else leaving live the possibility that it may result in a no lynch? REALLY???

So you basically did say that I didn't check/know there was a tie, which I did. Also no I haven't always been a lynch day 1 in case of a tie that is completely different from me being against voting for a no lynch imo.

Okay, but here is what I don't understand everyone knew who she was going to vote for, she said she would have voted for him. Why is it suspicious that she failed to vote for him? If it was a player who already had three votes causing a three way tie then maybe or if she was planning to vote for one of the players who did tie for first maybe, but that wasn't the case?

linki: I NEVER said I didn't know there was a tie in fact I addressed that in my post. I didn't like either case so I didn't vote for either player if I had I'd be under even more suspicion no matter what they flipped as

I do find it odd you are going with the line of attack that I didn't see there was a tie when I talked about it in my latest post.

Since I'd think you'd be familiar enough with SVS, it also seems like your trying to set her up by establishing that she was lying about not being able to vote and I recall you said earlier that she seemed scummy for trying to trap Glorfidnel? I would think it would have be more suspicious if she did come in and say broke the tie even though it was rather clear Glor was her prime suspect.

juliets wrote:linki, it was sig

I didn't break the tie between Wilgy and Scott. When I left for scouts I think Scott had one vote and then a few scattered votes. I had less then two minutes before the deadline and not enough time to read the cases before casting my vote. So I voted for the player I found most suspicious. I didn't then and I still don't see the case on Wilgy or Scott and would still not vote for either if they got tied again.

I had prior to going out said I'd be on very close to EOD to cast my vote so I don't see why it is strange? Especially since I never mentioned being suspicious of the two leading wagons. If it was a tie between someone I thought was a civ and someone who I found pingy it would have been different, but the sudden amounts of votes on Wilgy made no sense, he wasn't as active as civ Wilgy? I also think lynching scotty for being "shifty" and voting for a low poster wasn't good at all.


Glorfindel your reason for lynching Floyd is weird. Voting a player because he isn't as much as an asset when he isn't around to defend himself, seems rather strange for you. Are you and Zebra on the same team?


I seem to remember SVS missing votes as a baddie in Frisky Dingo however she had a triple vote ability in that game and I believe she actually missed those votes. The only reason that she might purposely avoid voting would be if she had a quadruple vote ability and that is really unlikely. I agree with many others that this wouldn't be something SVS would do and I think it is pingy that DH is pursuing this.

I just don't see how it is bad to suggest sharing info? I can see your argument that it is a bad idea, but saying I'm scum for saying it doesn't make much sense to me.

Also welcome sabie.

Any pattern we could see from voting will be gone. First it is a genuine question you never actually seemed to answer? I gave good points for why I believed we should share info it and you ignored them. This was also the most suspicious thing you found for the entire day that you voted on it?

Enrique wrote:Except I'm not advocating for info sharing? Hold your horses, all this does is make sure nobody pulls any info out of their ass.

Even if info isn't given this will help the mafia hide among voters and gather more intel with no explanation, and either way info sharing or no, this is still a complete 180 from your previous view?

a2thezebra wrote: If you're wondering why I think you're more likely to be genuine than sig is, it's because I've seen you do this as rogue (Star Wars, again, ironic, because you keep bringing it up to describe me when it's not even remotely a valid comparison) before and I think you can do it to an extent as town as well. I don't want to take that risk when I just see no possible way that sig was genuine with his advocating map discussions. With you I can see that because you weren't as demanding about it as he was, and you haven't expressed suspicion of anyone simply for not agreeing with you (with that at least anyway).

You are using a WIFOM argument on me basically and the things you seem to be getting mad at people for (ignoring/tunnling) you seem to be doing to me?

Also I believe Enrique or you said, when I defended myself I used WIFOM tell me how am I supposed to defend myself when neither of you actually build a case, you discount what I say to defend myself, and just generally refuse to consider my point of view?

Dom wrote:

sig wrote:Voted enrquie will explain when I get home battery almost dead.

DH, you caught another fish!

I can't tell if this is joking or not, if not I was like four pages behind, less then two minutes before the deadline, and unsure of the top two, I voted for the player who I was more suspicious of. How did you "catch" anything?

Matt wrote: Anywho, my burger king has arrived /quote]

You can get burger king delivered?

Oh I am caught up nevermind.

Enrique wrote:Would anyone be willing to follow Matt's formula here? Three players per location to keep the others in check? I spoke against it before but the numbers actually kinda work out.

Still catching up, but are you serious like seriously? You voted for me, BECAUSE I wanted to share info and know you are advocating for not only sharing info but coordinating every player to go to certain locations? like seriously?

Voted enrquie will explain when I get home battery almost dead.

Doing this on mobile sucks. Zebra as I told enrquie it makes no sense that as scum I'd do that. This is a really weak reason to vote for me imo. Also why do you think matt is genuine but not me

I'm not overly familiar with SVS scum/civ gameplay but, I do recall playing Frisky Dingo (which I won ) and her being a baddie. She doesn't seem to be playing the same way as in that game.
Having said this is SVS over defensive and emotional as both civ/mafia?
For the over defensiveness I recall as mafia trying to get her lynched on being over defensive in my first game here, it didn't work (I blame Sloonie ) but, I don't like that this is being sighted as a reason she is bad.

I've gotta go know I'm still undecided on who to vote for so I'll be back before endgame. (the beauty of having a 4G phone)

lots of linkis:

@Enrique what do you think of ekeknat?

I'm not quite sure I understand the case against SVS?

Ugh stupid scouts I've got to go like in five minutes. I might hold my vote as I'll be done my activity by 8:30 so it will be a late vote, or I'll vote before I leave.

So for Enrique tbh I mainly don't like that he is thinking of voting for me, I find his reasons to be weak, I find it interesting he was so pro hunting inmates and wonder if this was really the case or if he was putting on a front to appear more civ like. His early game defense which seemed a bit over the top, it kind off reminds me of how he acted in Star Wars when he was a baddie. Does he act the same way in his civ games?
I also don't like what I see as Glorfindels attempts to set up my lynch without actually providing a real case.

One other thing is ekeknat he has made a few posts., but none of substance I don't like this at all.

I'm most likely not going to vote for Enrique today, but think it is worth pointing out.