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by sig
Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:19 pm
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Frog wrote:
sig wrote:Psittaciform two posts were both about Frog's idea. Due to this I don't think he and Zebra are both mafia members. Out of the two I'd rather lynch Zebra today then Psitt.
are you mech defending Pirf? I will literally lynch Pirf RIGHT now if you say you oppose his lynch.
I am I'd rather not lynch him. Through process of elimination I really doubt two of the what four mafia members would only talk about one thing, it would be weak.

I did do Dys he is a scum lean
I forgot about LC and I'm a blue and true civ of course. :keys:
Long Con would be very light civ read
You're a slight town read.
by sig
Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:28 am
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Psittaciform two posts were both about Frog's idea. Due to this I don't think he and Zebra are both mafia members. Out of the two I'd rather lynch Zebra today then Psitt.
by sig
Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:24 am
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Frog wrote:I'm going to go ahead and say despite a no lynch for today not impressed with Sig.

I'd like to say within top 8 at least 1/8
within middle 4 1/4
within bottom 4 14 (although I'd like to say more than that)

Expect my mech soon
What do you mean by this?
I've reread portions of the thread. So I'll do an uncolored rainbow list.
Town.
Golden
Silver
Zexy
Slight town
MP
Sloonie
town lean
Inawordyes
Marco
scum lean
Ika
Wilgy
MM
Dyslexicon
slight scum
Psittacitform
scum read
Zebra

So I avoided using nulls here, I've got more town reads then scum which I guess is good. I'll be ISOing and reviewing my scum reads at some point today.
by sig
Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:18 am
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Frog wrote:@Sig now that you're here Id epscially like your opnions and reads - let's get your hot lists in the next 10ish minutes
Oops sorry I'm multitasking. Give me a few minutes.
by sig
Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:48 am
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Also

VOTE A2THEZEBRA

I think I gave my reasoning for her lynch, and the fact we still haven't seen an increase in activity makes me want to lynch zebra even more.
by sig
Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:47 am
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Golden wrote:
sig wrote:Also if I offended you about the old age thing sorry. I don't think I did, but figured I should apologize just in case.
My body is breaking down, sig. I need to do, like, regular warmups and stuff. My hamstrings feel permanently short. And I'm having to deal with impending parenthood. I'm old. I can handle it!
Congratulations, if your kid is a boy you should name it Sigurd after the future conqueror of the world. If they are a girl name is Sigurtrai or something. :P
by sig
Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:45 am
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Why MM over Zebra Frog?
by sig
Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:04 am
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Frog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Frog wrote:"THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! Taking advantage of this situation is unforgivable. I will find whoever is responsible for this."

"Perfect" - but really, awesome

Tinfoil was established and so suddenly refoiled
Lolwhat
I'm drinking a south african brandy and watching death note for the first time al the way through.
Nice. :beer:

For the first time? Man, nothing like watching that show for the first time. Great stuff.

I hate to be that guy, but the manga is much better imo.
by sig
Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:49 pm
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Zebra popped in yet didn't post. I'm really starting to feel this Zebra vote.


@Golden what do you think of Zebra and Matt?
by sig
Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:42 pm
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Golden wrote:
Zexy wrote: Inactive, not reading through the thread… is this his regular meta?
From my perspective, Wilgy is the most metaless player I know.

linki @ika - I bet. I can imagine you being very effective. I think the worst case scenario for you to is being on opposite sides and having to fool each other.
I agree with this.

I'm also not reading Sloonies drop in activity as a baddie thing.

Also if I offended you about the old age thing sorry. I don't think I did, but figured I should apologize just in case.
by sig
Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:13 pm
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So Zebra has 18 posts, 12 of which are full blown fluff, six other posts some of which are fluffy. Most of which only address Frog's plan.
a2thezebra wrote:That's his meta, it's null. Same with anything I do that seems peculiar or suspicious. :mafia:
Okay she is talking about LC not an alignment indicator.
a2thezebra wrote:Okay, now I have a total of 11 posts. I am no longer in the bottom four.

...And yet I am just as likely to be bad as I was before I started posting.

Frog can deny it all he wants, but the methods he's using to base his vote are absolutely advocating a policy lynch.
So uses filler to proves a point, I don't think she has done this before? I'd also disagree that it is a policy lynch.
a2thezebra wrote:If you're fine with a policy lynch, okay, whatever, but advocating a policy lynch while denying that it's a policy lynch is highly suspicious to me. Especially when that policy lynch is based on going after the lurkers. I have seen baddies use lurker policy lynches time and time again to pick off the civilian lower posters while cruising their way to endgame by being very opinionated and very vocal, and almost every time I've seen that they have always advocated lynching lurkers while shying away from the term "policy lynch" as much as possible.

I appreciate the effort and analysis Frog, but my personal opinion on that tactic - if it is genuine - is fuck that noise.
More talking about Frog/policy lynch. She attempts to throw some suspicion at Frog here.
a2thezebra wrote:Not to mention that I've gone after lower posters as a baddie while being extremely loud and obnoxious myself. I've totally used the myth that lower posters are more likely to be baddies than higher posters to my advantage, almost every single time I've been bad in this game. Even after people got used to that being my meta both here and on RYM, it would still work.

"Zebra can't be a baddie even though she did this suspicious thing and that suspicious thing...she's posting so much! I say we lynch one of the lurkers!"

-A few hours later-

"Ah shit, RIP So-and-so. I was so convinced, too. Well, what other lurker could we lynch tomorrow?"

The lesson is never learned.
Meta reasoning for not going after low posters.
a2thezebra wrote:
Marco wrote:Looks to me like she's either very passionate against policy lynches on low posters or she's trying to soft-defend low posters by discouraging a push on them.
It's both. I take no shame in soft(?) defending the lower posters, if for no other reason that I feel like they get taken advantage of by manipulative baddies almost every game. I'm not ruling out the possibility that any of them are bad, but I am ruling out the possibility that they are bad simply for not posting a lot of content.
She is once again defending low posters, however after just saying her baddie meta is to hunt low posters then this is pingy. It seems as if she is establishing her baddie meta then playing agaisnt it. I could see baddie Zebra doing this espacilly if one or more of her teammates are low posters.
a2thezebra wrote:And to answer your concern Marco, I'm not entirely sold on a baddie read of Frog yet, because this approach could just be his style and therefore I could be suspecting him for something irrelevant to his alignment. I do however think that in general going after lurkers is a common baddie tactic, and I also think that the way he's gone about it by denying that it's a policy lynch is very alarming.
Same point as I said above, also Zebra is hesitant to name Frog a baddie. Even though she says it is a baddie strategy.


So there isn't much here, but I dislike it. All her posts are either filler or only based around what Frog said. This makes her seem active, but in fact she has contributed very little. I also dislike her meta talk. Saying as a baddie she hunts low posters, but is defending them this game seems like she is a baddie playing agaisnt her meta to seem civvie.
by sig
Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:56 pm
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Silverwolf wrote:Sig ISO and thoughts:

First @Sig:

-Why is my argument with Golden TvT to you, can you elaborate on this please?

-You said you don't think zexy is mafia. Elaborate please?

-Why do you not think sloonei is mafia but are null reading him after your interaction with him?

-What was townie about In a words entrance to the thread?

I notice sig makes a lot of comments like this without much explanation so I'm gonna wait for his answers to these questions before I give a read here.
Okay so I'm civ reading both you and Golden. I think your both trying to scum hunt and be genuine. However, your attempting this in different ways and butting heads. I notice this happens alot among the town "alphas" That is what is happening with you two. It looks like you've resolved your disagreement which is good since as I said I think it was TvT. I think it is more likely for scum to be laying low right now.

I never said Sloonei was mafia, I said he was pingy and I had a mafia lean on him. Which is different from thinking he is mafia. I suspected him mainly since he suspected me and seemed to be trying to stop me from talking. However, like I've said after looking it over and seeing more of his posts I don't think this is the case. I've bumped him back up to null.

I'm reading Zexy as civ for a few reasons. It is in part due to a gut read and also since he seems to be very genuine. I haven't played with him before (I think) so I could be . I also see no reason for a mafia Zexy to have defended me early in game. So that did give him some civ points with me. Plus like I said he seems to be game solving and his tone seems good.

It was mainly a gut/tone thing his entrance post 1 and 2 doesn't seem like something a mafia player would do.
I'll have more solid reads later in the game, but I rarely have anything good besides gut/tone reads day 1.

However, I do want to point out I find it strange some people are saying I'm playing harder then usually which is scummy while others are saying I'm no contributing. Those are like the opposite.

I'm eyeballing Pits, Zebra, Dyslexicon, and Wilgy. I'll ISO all four later.

Linki: Golden I disagree with this post.
Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:I'm thoroughly over Ika defending Silver at any given chance. Can someone just clarify what their relationship normally is in games? It's bizarre as hell.

Ika should contribute something else.

Between the whole Silver/Golden discussion my thoughts are roughly this: First of all I didn't really see anything wrong with the MP vote. Second, none of Golden's questions were unreasonable or misrepping or whatever else Silver called it, it was just normal questioning. Reacting in this way seems to be normal for Silver though as I read it. All in all Silver reads townish to me, even if I don't agree with how she takes Golden's questioning. She seems to be putting herself in a position of being above questioning. Which she is not. Still reads more town to me. Golden however is if he is scum given a golden opportunity (see what I did there? :3) to defend himself in a way that makes logical sense all the way and he could objectively defend his position.
However my question is: Golden, do you still suspect Silver?
I also note that Golden is slightly apologetic in this interaction for "ticking Silver off" (which I don't think he needs to be cause he did nothing wrong). He may just be a polite young gentleman, but it reads a bit guilty mindset.
Like, I find it really hard to trust Golden, and I don't know whether I'm paranoid or not.

I don't know if this thought process will make sense to anyone. :omg:
The former.
Indeed. I can come across as quite an aggressive player, especially to those who don't know me. I want to make sure people know I'm not being personal, that it is strictly on a game level that I'm being aggressive to help figure out my reads, and that when the game is over I'll mea culpa when I'm wrong or dance on their grave a little if I'm right. I really do like everyone (and feel like the new bunch in this game seem like a great lot as well) and I like it if people know that so that they don't feel its personal.

And besides that, this site tries its hardest to pride itself on being a safe and friendly community where people can have fun and I'm committed to doing my part in that.

It's a big lie! You aren't young you're like 30 that is ancient practical a dinosaur. They probably only had crank electricity when you were young. :P
by sig
Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:44 pm
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Ugh that Silver vs Golden vs MP vs Frog got annoying to read after awhile. :P

I'm leaning towards a Psittacitform or Zebra lynch today. I'll go over both of them tomorrow.
Zebra is playing different? Her filler posts to prove a point seemed really unlike her.
Psitt did something that pinged me which I can't recall atm.
by sig
Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:16 pm
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Yaayyyy site is back, I lost a big post and I don't feel like doing it again so I'll continue as I was. I'll answer your question soonish Silver.
by sig
Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:17 pm
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DrWilgy wrote:Am I a slanker?
You can be my slanker. :P I'll feed you every day and clean your cage.
by sig
Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:17 pm
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Page 10.
DrWilgy wrote:
sig wrote:Also

Vote Unvote

I mislike Wilgy's vote, but can't tell if this is his normal lovable town shenanigans or mafia pretending to be lovable town while avoiding any vote.
Sig this would imply that I'm only loveable based on alignment :P

Baddies are never lovable. :P
MovingPictures07 wrote:
sig wrote:There isn't much to go on yet but, inaword had a towny entrance to the thread.

He is doing some RVS, but that is common on MU. I usually dislike doing this however, it isn't an alignment indicator.
These two statements read incompatible to me. Please explain.
No they aren't. I dislike using RVS, however it doesn't indicate alignment. I still believe his entrance was towny as not using RVS is a personal preference and not an Alignment thing.
Dyslexicon wrote:I don't have an overview over who knows who, who's from here and how familiar this type of setup is to people, and I'd really like to have that.

So I'll just state that:
- I've played a couple of games with PSI.
- I'm not from here (but I really like the site *buddies everyone)
- I consider this setup pretty standard.

And if other would like to share that would be appreciated.
- I'm a regular on the Syndicate but I hail from lands far away.
-I've not played with Marco, Psittacitofrm, Dyslexicon, or Frog. I believe I've played with Zexy and inawordyes, but can't recall almost anything about their playstyle.
- I've played a few games like this, as well as many games with role claiming.

Some quick fire notes.

I see Frogs point and I've seen this strategy used before. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.
I mislike Zebra's posts to bump herself up seeing how Frog made a specific point so while her post count went up her level of content didn't
I do agree with her opinions of not going after lurkers, however, it is day 1 and I think Frog is approaching this differently then just wall flower hunting.
MP putting in alot of effort (Told you he is a liar :P) I'm not sure if this is civ or mafia though. I'd have him as a town lean.
Dyslexicon wrote:Sig seems less town to me than before. Null read. Gives relatievly little.
How so?
Dyslexicon wrote:I'm a bit bothered that noone has had more than 3 votes at a point (iirc). I'm not used to that at all. We need more wagons. We need clear lynch candidates.
That isn't super common on the Syndicate, also could you explain why we should have more wagons? Wouldn't it make it easier for the mafia to hid among wagons.
by sig
Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:03 pm
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I feel bad for myself seven pages to catch up on. :(

I'll post some thoughts as I go.
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:02 pm
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I've skimmed the thread so if I missed anything directed at me, I'll answer it tomorrow night when I read everything over, unless you'll be willing to ask me again.

This Silver/Golden thing seems like town vs town.

I think someone asked me why I was town reading Zexy. It is in part because of her (If you're a he sorry about this) defense of me, a gut/tone read based around their posts, and the level of activity/game solving they seem to be doing.
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:59 pm
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Inawordyes wrote:Is "sig" the "sjg" on MU?
No someone stole my name!

I'm Sigurd over on MU. I do believe we've played in the same game before? Your profile picture seems familiar.


Just so everyone knows I probably won't be on at all until tomorrow evening.
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:46 pm
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Also

Vote Unvote

I mislike Wilgy's vote, but can't tell if this is his normal lovable town shenanigans or mafia pretending to be lovable town while avoiding any vote.
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:44 pm
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Oh and what LC said isn't scummy that's just his meta.
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:43 pm
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Golden wrote:
sig wrote:I misliked his push on me
I love sig's neologisms. :cloud9:
I should create my own language, first thing we'd do would be to get ride of C You can use K or S instead. :srsnod:
Golden wrote:
Frog wrote:
Zexy wrote:So, sig: what is TS? What do you think of Sloonei’s push on you? You defended, but what does that mean in regards to his alignment?

I disagree on the fake claiming part because in MU there actually a power role cover system where everybody claims all the roles so that the real ones get to “naturally” throw their real results in without standing out too much. And others fakeclaim to draw NKs.
Zexy is towny as flip.

Zexy + Sig = Town

Marco + Sloonei = scum teamish - On page 2 Marco randomly defends Sloonei. Lol. Obv slip is obvious.
At this point my gut read is to see it opposite. Zexy + sig scum, marco + sloonei town.

I didn't like the way Zexy minimised sloonei's sig read, and put in an early perspective that, essentially, no rational player should be reading sig off so little and if sloonei continues with the read he must be a scum looking for a bandwagon.

If you are going about making sure an early wagon doesn't build on your teammate, it's a subtle and clever way of doing it.
Why?

So I've got to many light civ reads and null reads, nothing really that pingy. Golden is looking okay, minus him gut reading me as mafia and voting for me. :P
Marco is a little weird he seems to be focusing on the claiming thing a bit to much, espacilly since he went after Frog earlier for doing the same thing.
I don't think Zexy is mafia.
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:15 pm
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ika wrote:silverwolf

As always

fyi I'm out of state so I'm mobile till probably night 1, posting will be lower then normal
You always vote for Silver day 1?
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:15 pm
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Golden wrote:147 posts before I even wake up lol. I imagine this is only a taster of what the actual thing will be like.

Catch up time :beer:
You should join me with who I'm voting for I'm sure you'll see the sense in my case. :p
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:33 pm
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Ah I understand what Frog is saying, I've seen players do this on my home site quite a bit, I dislike it but I wouldn't consider it role claiming in the sense that your claiming the role. If that makes sense. I misunderstood what hypo claiming was I guess. I don't think it overly helps or hurts the town usually the mafia ignores them. I was thinking you meant something different.

What is a TMI post?
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:11 pm
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Marco wrote:
Zexy wrote:So, sig: what is TS? What do you think of Sloonei’s push on you? You defended, but what does that mean in regards to his alignment?

I disagree on the fake claiming part because in MU there actually a power role cover system where everybody claims all the roles so that the real ones get to “naturally” throw their real results in without standing out too much. And others fakeclaim to draw NKs.
That works best when people are used to hypo claiming. We could go that route but doesn't look to me like everyone is used to hypo on their home boards. I don't mind PR cover either but it's hard to pull off with complete strangers. I'd have to have a really strong town-read on someone (or say an innocent report).
Yeah TS isn't as big on claiming as some sites I've played on.

I'm liking Psittaciform first post, but he is still null.
Frog wrote:
sig wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:Hi!
Hello. :beer:
Sloonei wrote:Sig came in and tried to drag as much content out of things as he could. I'd like that if it didn't feel like such an effort to distance oneself from the label of low participation or scumminess.
Let's VOTE SIG
You'd usually like it but, don't this time? That doesn't make much sense.Also it is weird seeing how this is the beginning of day 1 so how would I be labeled as low participation if I hadn't had made any posts after my first one? :shrug:

So why is it scummy that I'm posting and trying to get some content, since from where I sit it looks like your trying to stifle discussion. :eye:
lmao - I sense a divide amongst players and I'm not entirely certain if it's alignment indicative or not. Trolls and Tryhards. I'm going to go ahead and say when I'm town I tryhard, I'm putting Sig as Villager lean.

Sloonei's aggressive behavior doesn't seem characteristic of a wolf unless he truly just does not give a flip in any of his games. Can anyone confirm Sloonei's meta as town vs. scum?
I don't think it is an alignment indicator. Some players are always more try hard or troll like, then you've got some who will be more try hard in some games then others. I've played a good amount of games with Sloonie, but I can't recall if I've ever seen him play as mafia. He is usually very active and aggressive, but that isn't a town clear in my view.

@Sloonie okay two questions
Have I ever played with you when you were mafia?
What do you think of role claiming, when should it be done ect?
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:04 pm
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Dyslexicon wrote:Alright. I'm just going to blend into the background so you guys get some time to develop some disputes. Then I will point at the scums using the highly scientific method of "spin the bottle".

- Kisses :cloud9:
I want a kiss. :nicenod: Unless you have diseases then I don't want a kiss. :p
Frog wrote:
Spoiler: show
sig wrote:MM seems to be as jokey as normal, not an alignment indicator.

MP comes into the thread with his normal "I won't post much it doesn't mean I'm mafia unlesssss I decide to post alot, but I probably won't" thing. So expect lots of posts and activity from MP. :P
sig wrote:There isn't much to go on yet but, inaword had a towny entrance to the thread.

He is doing some RVS, but that is common on MU. I usually dislike doing this however, it isn't an alignment indicator.
sig wrote:However, having said this I'm not sure I like how MP is talking about the hammer function. It's a bad gut ping to me. Not enough to vote/lynch on, but I'll be keeping my eye on MP.
I was going to comment on these tidbits as well but figured it was common knowledge and too much information instead of analysis. However, since you've opened pandora's box:

1) I agree, so far there is very little that alignment indicative
2) I personally dislike RVS as well - I feel it's just an excuse for scum to rack up post count without content, but more importantly, it's not game solvey. However, it is widely prevalent. It is what it is. I have a theory with respect to this I will build upon later today.
3) I thought the discussion of the hammer function was useful to be honest, I didn't know about hammer existing D1. It was more like an informative heads up, which isn't indicative of alignment. Again, IIoA (Information Instead of Analysis) has been disproven as alignment indicative (Silverwolf and Ika know which MS article I'm referencing).
So while I misliked Frog's claiming post, I do like his stance on RVS. However, Frog do you think some people are more likely to be helpful/playful as mafia then as civ? Some information discussion is fine, however I'd watch any player who does this to much and doesn't post other on topic content.
Sloonei wrote:Sig, what is the nature of your ping on me? How strong is it and why is it there?
It isn't a strong ping, it is in the range of mild to small. It seemed weird how you said it seemed scummy for me to posting so much it seemed like an early attempt to set up a bandwagon on me, and we all know how prone I am to get wagoned. :P

more linkis: I'll answer them in the next post.
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:49 pm
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Zexy wrote:So, sig: what is TS? What do you think of Sloonei’s push on you? You defended, but what does that mean in regards to his alignment?

I disagree on the fake claiming part because in MU there actually a power role cover system where everybody claims all the roles so that the real ones get to “naturally” throw their real results in without standing out too much. And others fakeclaim to draw NKs.
TS= The syndicate
I misliked his push on me however, I don't think that means he is mafia. I'd say I'm still null on Sloonei.

I don't plan to get in an argument on claiming, I think that like No lynching will always boil down to a cultural difference and has nothing to do with alignment.

Also Sloonie, I'm usually more active early on for 36/12 games (which is the type I started with) I did forget we had 60 hours for the weekend though.

linki: So many posts slow down! :P Though it is starting to feel like MU which is good I guess.
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:38 pm
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:
sig wrote:MM seems to be as jokey as normal, not an alignment indicator.

MP comes into the thread with his normal "I won't post much it doesn't mean I'm mafia unlesssss I decide to post alot, but I probably won't" thing. So expect lots of posts and activity from MP. :P
Don't tell everyone the meta that indicates nothing of my alignment! Mafia is srsbusienseses. :mafia:
Sorry MM :(

Zexy wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I am reading a player based on the content he's provided. I have a reason and I explained my reason when it was questioned. That is not defensiveness, that is standard Mafia procedure. I know it's not strong but this is Day 1 and we need to start somewhere.
That's good enough of an answer for now, I mostly wanted a reaction as I explained above.
I want to see sig's POV a bit more as well.
I don't actually think Sloonei is mafia right now, I've got a ping on him, but not to big of one.
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:35 pm
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Sloonei wrote:
sig wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:Hi!
Hello. :beer:
Sloonei wrote:Sig came in and tried to drag as much content out of things as he could. I'd like that if it didn't feel like such an effort to distance oneself from the label of low participation or scumminess.
Let's VOTE SIG
You'd usually like it but, don't this time? That doesn't make much sense.Also it is weird seeing how this is the beginning of day 1 so how would I be labeled as low participation if I hadn't had made any posts after my first one? :shrug:

So why is it scummy that I'm posting and trying to get some content, since from where I sit it looks like your trying to stifle discussion. :eye:
I am not trying to stifle any discussion. That is a strange thing to accuse me of. What I didn't like about your posts is that they seemed like an easy opportunistic set of early observations when there wasn't a whole lot of content to analyze. It's a good and easy way to establish yourself early on as a town leader. I don't feel like the content in the thread prior to your string of posts warranted everything you said.
Okay I understand your point here, however I'd disagree that I'm asd mafia trying to establish myself as a town leader, for two reasons. One I'm not mafia and two I'm not trying to be a leader, they always get Nk'd and I like living. :P
Sloonei wrote:
Zexy wrote:I’m not that sure IAWY’s entrance in the thread was towny, sig. But it’s not necessarily scummy either. Thanks for the meta advice on MP.

Can someone give us meta on Long Con? That’s a strange entrance they make there, but it feels like it’s their thing.

Sloonei, do you know sig well enough to consider their actions as scummy? I can see your points, but if it’s something sig does regardless of alignment we need to cut some slack. Sig gave thoughts on Sloonei and I can't say I disagree either.
sig is usually an active player, but I can't recall any time he's made that many early posts with so little content preceding him.
I think you're right here, on TS I don't usually make so many quick fire posts that early. However, I had some things I wanted to talk about and was gauging people so I decided to do it. Besides I enjoyed EST mafia where I was slightly more involved and did some real game solving so I want to play the same way here. Also something more important to keep in mind, we usually start with Day 0 and I rarely post on Day 0s.
Frog wrote:Sup! I randed Town so GG.

I'll read what you guys have posted so far, but insofar as tempo control to immediately move out of the RVS stage, I'm going to bring up a polarizing strategy related question:

I've JUST finished a C12 match on MU where many vanillagers were fake claiming TPRs, and fake counter claiming TPRs all over the place. Some of them worked, some of them didn't. Those that didn't work were because of a cognitive dissonance between players. With this in mind, if you are town reading a player, and they fake claim a power role, would you counter claim them?

Furthermore, with respect to claims, I'm planning on following this format every day:
If I'm X role, I did this N1, N2, N3, etc.
If I'm Y role, I did this N1, N2, N3, etc.
If I'm Z role, I did this N1, N2, N3, etc.
So in most games TS will punish role claiming with death (thanks Mp/Daisy :pout: :P) while this isn't the case in this game I'd say it is something to keep in mind. While discussing claiming.

I myself am very against claiming in almost all cases. Especially fake claims. This throws the thread into chaos and would help the mafia when those who truly have the role your claiming counterclaim and get Nk'd or lynched. Even if this doesn't happen if people claim and divert the thread it will aid the mafia/ So the fact you're suggesting this does ping me a bit. However, I do recognize that it isn't necessary scummy to be pro claiming.

To answer your question, if someone I'm town reading claims my role I'd suspect them to be mafia, role hunting. The only time it is okay to claim is if you're about to get lynched, or if you've got a red check on a player.

Dyslexicon is funny so far, I mistrust that. Will be keeping an eye on him.

Also I don't find it strange he claimed town, I do dislike his role claiming idea.
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:05 pm
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Dyslexicon wrote:Hi!
Hello. :beer:
Sloonei wrote:Sig came in and tried to drag as much content out of things as he could. I'd like that if it didn't feel like such an effort to distance oneself from the label of low participation or scumminess.
Let's VOTE SIG
You'd usually like it but, don't this time? That doesn't make much sense.Also it is weird seeing how this is the beginning of day 1 so how would I be labeled as low participation if I hadn't had made any posts after my first one? :shrug:

So why is it scummy that I'm posting and trying to get some content, since from where I sit it looks like your trying to stifle discussion. :eye:
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:00 pm
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Long Con wrote:
sig wrote:Last post for the time I promise.

Two things
1. MP didn't place his vote for Zebra
2. I'm voting to lynch Golden, come on out and represent golden!

Vote Golden
That doesn't count, gotta be ALL CAPS! :srsnod:
oops thanks.

VOTE GOLDEN
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:58 am
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Last post for the time I promise.

Two things
1. MP didn't place his vote for Zebra
2. I'm voting to lynch Golden, come on out and represent golden!

Vote Golden
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:56 am
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However, having said this I'm not sure I like how MP is talking about the hammer function. It's a bad gut ping to me. Not enough to vote/lynch on, but I'll be keeping my eye on MP.
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:54 am
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MM seems to be as jokey as normal, not an alignment indicator.

MP comes into the thread with his normal "I won't post much it doesn't mean I'm mafia unlesssss I decide to post alot, but I probably won't" thing. So expect lots of posts and activity from MP. :P
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:52 am
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There isn't much to go on yet but, inaword had a towny entrance to the thread.

He is doing some RVS, but that is common on MU. I usually dislike doing this however, it isn't an alignment indicator.
by sig
Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:01 am
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First. :noble:

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