The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:30 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:56 pm Long Con
BRO are you saying I wronged you in a previous game, and I'm foremost on your list? Say it ain't so!

More so that you should give me SK in GoC but yea in hindsight that too.

[mention]Long Con[/mention]

I'm also really salty Makoto Naegi hasn't chosen me to chat with like wtf?

Not getting mafia, not getting chatted with.

I really really reeaaaaaallllly need a Serial Killer role in a game asap so I can just revenge kill everyone that wronged me in previous games.

Also we've had what 2 or 3 nightkills?

The player before don't know new recruits. So Unless DDL is telling them which I guess he could I feel like there's a sizeable chance they'd hit a fellow mafia member at some point kill wise.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:52 pm
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Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:30 pm I’ll push us forward a little more because this day phase is not progressing with the energy I’d hoped:
Junko (the nightly roleblocker) is actually Mukuro Ikusaba. They were automatically recruited night 1, they know monukuma’s identity, share his win condition, and reveals as civilian upon death. They also have or had a 1-shot nightkill to be used at any time during the game.

This is why I say it’s “possible” Jack was actually mafia.

This means that the first person to be recruited was essentially mafia from the beginning. They may not necessarily have known DDL was their partner/boss at the time, but they were aware that they’d be recruited from the outset. I have been looking at player ISOs to see who demonstrated an apparent eagerness to understand the recruitment mechanisms and such: anyone who appeared quizzical about that was probably not the auto-recruit.

But it’s also possible that this player is already dead and flipped civilian. We can’t really know without other secrets coming into play to help us out.

There goes my there aren't really any mafia members just a shit ton of LMS people with one kill shot running around.

Okay, I'm lying I still like 20% believe that's a possibility and Bearo's win is either kill everyone, maybe with Ikusabe as partner or something along those lines. Which is why he has a soup kill.

Linki: I'm not opposed to a Okosan lynch, but I'm not really seeing an overwhelming reason to vote for him.

I'd say if TSP doesn't flip based off the night actions then maybe he'd be worth going for.

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There goes my there aren't really any mafia members just a shit ton of LMS people with one kill shot running around.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:40 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:26 pm LC, TSP, or TH would've killed Sloonie.
I love it, man, you always include me on a list of people who would try unorthodox crazyshit. You're goddamn right. But it wasn't me.

It's paranoia from my early days on TS.

Also Trustworthy has been laying low so has Rej to a degree , thoughts on how active a recruited mafia would be especially if they were recruited early?

So the lynch Fayt for being inactive thing was pushed by ted correct? [mention]tedxtr[/mention]

If so I'd be a bit more sketchy of him in hindsight since I didn't think that was a good reason to lynch ever and is something mafia will do. So I'd add one more path of despair point to Ted for that probably.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:07 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:02 pm [VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Wanna throw down a vote and I've had some low key bad vibes for awhile.
Explain

3 reasons.
1. He's in my notes as "lol not good"
2. I kept bringing him up as a ping, which I did last time he was mafia, but didn't bother to ever really pursue.
3. I think he'd be the most likely to have been recruited and kill you assuming he was just recruited or kill Mac D1. So in my world he was either recruited D1 or D3. D1 would fit with my overall meh read of him.

Also I don't wanna sheep Ted after your flip which was my original plan for the day, but I'm not ready to vote for him since he's a strong civ player. So that leaves me lost and I gotta forge my own path. Which at this point is either TH, LC, or TSP.

Then there's some WIFOM here of Creature/Fayt being mafia and subbing out due to it vs just being busy.

I'd say Fayt has the the more busy angle and I don't agree with Ted's idea of busy = mafia (Speakign of which that's a ding on him actually gimme a minute to go there) While Creature just rolled mafia twice so I could see it more likely he'd be fed up, already short on time and just ask to be replaced.

Thoughts?

(also if this counts as angle shooting don't kill me bro) Buuuuuut it shouldn't should it? Hmmm

Rej logic is illogical he voted me D1 and now D4 for being mafia. But, doesn't like explain either time why I'm bad or when I became bad

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Wanna throw down a vote and I've had some low key bad vibes for awhile.

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:52 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:49 pm I am town and I will prove it by voting mafia.
[VOTE: sig] aubergine
The path to convincing me is in proving that sig is mafia.
a treestump doesn't need to be convinced, especially when they can't vote

No reason is his reasoning.

You being a tree, means Ted didn't kill you. If I wanna get WIFOM I'd say Birdy wasn't responsible for this kill, but could still be mafia. Or the kill was set up to get us to go after either Ted/Birdy.

Why do you think Jack could be mafia?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:27 pm If sig was not the auto-recruit, Day 3 is the earliest he could theoretically become bad.
His first post after that point:
sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:57 pm I'd be down for a Jack vote.

I'm liking Okosan, TH, ted, and Lc.

I'm meh on Rej, sloonie and TSP. However, I don't think both tsp and sloonie are mafia.
He'd expressed some previous skepticism of Jack, so that suspicion checks out from a consistency standpoint. He waves his hand at four positive reads. I don't object, but I want reasons attached to those. Same with the mehs, which I am one of. @sig why did/do all of these reads exist? How have they changed? What does my flip as Chihiro Tree Stump do to your view of the game?

I am not noticing a big shift in sig's posts between Days 2 & 3, but that doesn't mean much. I didn't love the Jack suspicion from anyone, but there is demonstrated evidence that sig believed in it at a time when I do not think he could have been bad. It's an easy case to hide behind for a new recruit in theory, but I've got no tangible reason to assume that's what happened. My read on sig is dependent on how things progress from this moment forward.
I feel that will be the case for all of you.

linki: oh look he's here. hi sig.
linki II: stop posting sig, i'm trying to submit this.

I'll post when I want!

They seemed civvie.

Ted is/was playing the same way he has every game so far seems commanding and town-centric
Okosan: was giving good content and I liked some of his posts.
TH/LC: Were both a combo of gut/civ meta. I know think both could be mafia based off kills.

Rej, seems more scum sided he also voted for me day 1 here and when he was mafia last game, but didn't vote for me when he was civ.
TSP/Sloonie due to your early arguments/discussion It didn't seem w/w or town/town.

I agreed with LC that Jack would try to get recruited/would be a threat if he was a late recruit so it was an easy lynch choice. That's also why I'm looking at LC/TH since I could see both trying to become mafia and the kills would make sense for them.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:26 pm LC, TSP, or TH would've killed Sloonie.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] Didn't you push TSP last game, like the driving force.

I don't believe a new player would've killed Mac D1. Dom is up in the air.

LC, TSP, or TH would've killed Sloonie.

I don't see how you can accurately scum hunt tbh, mafia is more like 3P than mafia, they don't have chat, and a fair amount of them won't even know who's their partners.

Sloonie flips makes me trust Ted more, but the biggest issue here is mafia members have no control of other mafia members kill since no BTSC.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:16 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:24 pm Honestly I should get mafia I've won almost every game I've played as a mafia member or been part of the winning team!

And if not imma cry or be really salty
This post leads me to suspect that sig was not the Night 1 auto-recruit. There is a tone of speculation that excludes him from the setup awareness that that player would have.

did that sentence make sense?

Update: I'm still salty.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:59 pm So glad I can get away with just skimming this thing

I can just look for soup kills not keep track of every thunderdome going on

Confirmed DDL wants to soup us.

I could see LC trying to get himself recruited also.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:58 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:33 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:31 pm I'm not a fan of my name being brought up over and over again by people. Not a fan.

And ted seems super civvies but like he could easily be leading us down the path of despair.
Is anyone who’s bringing you up a suspect?

Does “the path of despair” mean that ted is bad, or that he’s simply wrong?
I think he's either bad and tricking everyone or good and probably right
Okay. Those are the two options implied in the question. Which is it? And if he's right doesn't that make you bad?

I wanna say good, but if he flips bad I wanna be able to claim credit for it.

So lets say like 65/35 good to bad ration.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:33 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:31 pm I'm not a fan of my name being brought up over and over again by people. Not a fan.

And ted seems super civvies but like he could easily be leading us down the path of despair.
Is anyone who’s bringing you up a suspect?

Does “the path of despair” mean that ted is bad, or that he’s simply wrong?

I think he's either bad and tricking everyone or good and probably right

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:33 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:31 pm I'm not a fan of my name being brought up over and over again by people. Not a fan.

And ted seems super civvies but like he could easily be leading us down the path of despair.
I would never afford to do that to you siggie

I'm not a fan of my name being brought up over and over again by people. Not a fan.

And ted seems super civvies but like he could easily be leading us down the path of despair.

rip jack you werent mafia. Buuuuut you totally deserve it for getting me lynched ij the wire.

When does this 9hase actually end

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:51 pm Never mind, creature looks like a disheartened civilian. Let’s vote for sig instead. Again, no reason.
Thanks for seeing that

No

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:03 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:51 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:11 pm Are we all operating under the assumption that 2 nights = 2 recruitments = 2 mafia + mean bear?
Assuming mafia is mafia yea. I'd also say if we assume mafia is mafia then Bearo can recruit a certain amount of people and they probably need to be dead before we can lynch Bearo.
Yeah I’ve been wondering if there’s a cap on recruitment.

But it’s also theoretically possible that one new recruit could kill an older recruit at some point.

None of this helps is catch scum today.

Agreed theory discussion is all well and good, but end of the day it isn't the most important thing to discuss right now.

Sooooooo thoughts?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:11 pm Are we all operating under the assumption that 2 nights = 2 recruitments = 2 mafia + mean bear?

Assuming mafia is mafia yea. I'd also say if we assume mafia is mafia then Bearo can recruit a certain amount of people and they probably need to be dead before we can lynch Bearo.

Okosan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:54 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:45 pm Also I can't be NK'd so mafia don't try that on me next. K? thx.
Cooo! (Oh yeah same it's really weird how the host said Okosan couldn't be night killed ever just because he felt like it)

Yea I'm assuming he was messing around on that?

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:45 pm Also I can't be NK'd so mafia don't try that on me next. K? thx.

Or can I.

Also I can't be NK'd so mafia don't try that on me next. K? thx.

Looking at the two people who were night killed is actually pretty interesting.

Neither were very engaged/posting alot and neither had thrown out alot of reads or suspicion.

Both were safe kills that wouldn't reflect back on anyone or really cause issues. So the question is who'd play it safe/be likely to target inactive players?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:02 pm [VOTE: Fayt ] aubergine

Is it a common excuse for wolf Fayt to lurk/come up with excuses?

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

He's shifty and shifty people should get shived.

I suspect rej only since his playstyle gut reminds me of how he was last game I played where he was mafia.

And trustworthy is null.

Creature is here. But not posting much which is his usually thing. He's kinda impossible for me to read

I disagree with whoever said Fayt is bad based off excuse. You can think you have tine for multiple games and then just don't.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:57 pm Also keep in mind mafia doesnt all know who other mafia is.

Which is why j think we don't have mafia per say, but more so LMS type thing.

Also keep in mind mafia doesnt all know who other mafia is.

I'd be down for a Jack vote.

I'm liking Okosan, TH, ted, and Lc.

I'm meh on Rej, sloonie and TSP. However, I don't think both tsp and sloonie are mafia.

Also mafia could've easily votes for ddl assuming they even knew he was Bearo.

It's a non issue at this point I'd say

And if we think there are two mafia arms leta ignore Bearo and try to find them.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:43 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:37 pm Also quick pitch what if there isn't any mafia players at all and the only non town person is Bearo
Lol read the setup, Sig.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:38 pm
I mean can it not lie?

Also ALso Jack saying he talked to Bearo and dropping that info makes me think again he's Bearo.

Or wants to be recruited/was since he said he wanted to be so we should take him out maybe?

Also quick pitch what if there isn't any mafia players at all and the only non town person is Bearo

So I'm gonna assume whomever Bearo is, he knows Epi fairly well so I think we can discount the new people there. But, at this point we should have a mafia player to hunt right?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:45 am
sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:41 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:09 am This setup is a clusterfuck honestly. What the hell does "Monokuma can vote but the player with his role can't" mean ??????????
Okay so say I'm Bearo, I get to vote ie my role has the ability to cast one but the player cant ie it doesnt count.

That's my understanding basically the role gets a vote but since player doesn't it equals zero.
So if i'm the bear and i vote in the poll...

i vote for y

wagons are 2-2, 2 for x, 2 for y

the total vote count will be 2 (x) - 1 (y) ?

Yup

I think there are so many unknowns that this tie doesn't really boil it down we have multiple roles that can mess with voting and then a shit ton of secrets.

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