The Syndicate

Not caught up just got back from driving all day, an 8 hour drive turned into 11 so blah.

Did do some reading last night and didn't post, really was in the middle of the whole how each role should act thing when I stopped and honestly it's confusing and seems like alot of things could go wrong.

If everyone else is on board and thinks it'll work I've got no problem doing it, but that does seem like a big if.

I will say combo of discussion prior to red check being claimed and LP being right re kill has shifted the scum read to semi solid civ read.

I'll probably pop in and our over this phase, will be on the road tomorrow though, maybe reread sabie now knowing she's mafia and give some general thoughts/read list together.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:20 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:18 pm Oh and I'm the crazy one for saying Sabie might have just killed her accuser?

Okay don't need to rub it in.

ah but wait maybe you're on her team and was trying to delay results! (grasping at straws sig? maybe sig maybe i am, willing to fully abandon ship sig? no no i don't think I am)

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:18 pm Oh and I'm the crazy one for saying Sabie might have just killed her accuser?

Okay don't need to rub it in.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:33 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:46 am I think it’s best if mafia role claim, but town doesn’t.

this right here is peak town. solid green, ride and die, will sheep for first ten days.

I"ll literally requote the post that got Gullio on me.

This, basically hours into the game.

It would be akin to saying I was claiming cultist and obviously third party when I said dizzy and i should start a cult. Very nonsensical.

Furthermore, and why Gullio got the vote from me and why I'll keep hounding on it is he never went any deeper or attempted to engage me.

Then is trying to paint this false narrative I'm just OMGUS at him, but like come on when your reasoning is literally not a reason of course that's gonna lead to a counter vote and some pings since seems like a good fake set up for mafia to use.

And I'll keep bringing this up as long as its the cornerstone of him wanting to vote for me and trying to flood the thread with vote sig he's obvious mafia.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:54 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:46 pm @falcon45ca can you explain your vote for me a bit more vs one of the wagons. Or is it just that you think I dipped and wanted to switch.

I found your dip scummy, and I still do.



I found Sabie's wagon a bit sus, but given how EOD turned out I want that flip

Meh, really nothing to say then defense wise. I was around for the entire first portion of day 1 giving some reads and contributing as much as i can. Def more than other people, didn't bounce D0, but during D1, and literally the only pressure I actually got besides vague seem sus was a joke I made to dizzy. Not like there was anything i could counter or say in my defense with when I had like a chihuahua style player yapping at me. (No offense intended Gullio) and it was based off a very obvious string of jokes.

Also I mean I am working a full time job and did say I might be in and out so like not a very good reason tbh, and a wee bit weak, but it's a whatever day 1 vote so I'll take that at face value give you an eye and move on.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:53 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:50 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:38 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:36 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:31 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:27 pm Dizzy was targeted by one person, but sure I'll wait until halfway through the day.

I like Paranoia and all, but I think Mafia already know which of them did the kill, so not like the others who didn't kill would spew from pressure no?

We're probably going to vote off whatever name I say, so I assume the idea is to encourage discussion instead of phoning it in early in the day after we've already got a player to chop.

You know, I didn't really consider that. That's fair not to just end discussion with a early yeet.

There's no hammer, so

Making reads when there's a red check but you don't know who the red check is is fairly pointless, since you're going to have to reevaluate those reads in light of the red anyways

I very much disagree with this statement.
That's like saying making any reads day 1 is pointless.
Or just read when you don't have a hard red check pointless.

Reads are still useful since it forces Mafia to back their own reads which will be default have to be fake since they already know that the person the Mafia read is not Mafia.
Reads also are good for bouncing ideas around and seeing which actually end up making sense in the long run.
True if we say X is Town and X ends up being the red check that was pointless, but you can still make inferences based on who was town reading them.
Not to mention Mafia probably want to distance from the killer now that they know they are going to die today.

I agree here/with Doby. As soon as people get a red check everyone will bounce and a fair amount of people haven't even gotten on yet.

@falcon45ca can you explain your vote for me a bit more vs one of the wagons. Or is it just that you think I dipped and wanted to switch.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:42 pm Sabie's a mixed bag from her iso so her mafia meta is a bit different than town mainly based off cases/votes

Mafia camp

1. She's being a lower poster which is a mafia tell for her
2. Doesn"t seem to be case building really, just jumping onto other wagons.
3. The marmot, gavil, sean jump isn't great and I do think LP made a good point re thoughts on marmot. Now that is something you see from both civ/mafia sabie, but usually her indecisiveness is based off her own cases, not existing wagons and is more like Im not sure if i should vote for person Y.

Town camp
1. Her posts seem genuine, like I've seen from her town game minus lack of hunting
2. I think she was being honest during our brief discussion/unsure. Which is also within her civ meta more so than mafia.

So right off the bat struggling to find more town than potential mafia tells I would like some other people familar with her meta to weight in though. My issue is she also gets mischopped alot.

Probably will vget the most info from a sabie vote vs someone else. I'd like them to jump in and kinda give some thoughts though.

Sabie's a mixed bag from her iso so her mafia meta is a bit different than town mainly based off cases/votes

Mafia camp

1. She's being a lower poster which is a mafia tell for her
2. Doesn"t seem to be case building really, just jumping onto other wagons.
3. The marmot, gavil, sean jump isn't great and I do think LP made a good point re thoughts on marmot. Now that is something you see from both civ/mafia sabie, but usually her indecisiveness is based off her own cases, not existing wagons and is more like Im not sure if i should vote for person Y.

Town camp
1. Her posts seem genuine, like I've seen from her town game minus lack of hunting
2. I think she was being honest during our brief discussion/unsure. Which is also within her civ meta more so than mafia.

So right off the bat struggling to find more town than potential mafia tells I would like some other people familar with her meta to weight in though. My issue is she also gets mischopped alot.

Also feel like from my skim and soon to be deeper reread I"ve got alot more towns in mind then potential mafia and not a fan of that.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:29 pm It just seemed a rather 180 turn around from your catchup to a hard assault as soon as a little bit of backup came.
Whihc to me indicates you were afraid just pushing me on your own would be bad.
I also saw you put me, Sabie, and Falcon as the Mafia team which seems weird since I was pushing both Sabie and Falcon a lot yesterday. I don't really think there is ever a world where pushing 2 busses day 1 is a play any Mafia takes.

Okay, I could see why you'd think that, but I'd counter as I did. So really think that's a wash. I'd not say I'm ever afraid to be a solo push I'll yammer away and get ignored if I really want to tunnel more so that I was reading up and like i said not a fan of the whole vote setting upper thing. Now I do still need to ISO you, which I'll probably do tomorrow/maybe next day.

for the last point I guess it could be more unlikely, but it isn't uncommon for mafia to buss other mafia and seeing how neither got axed yesterday I'd not say it was a disqualifier.

In your opinion meta wise how do you approach teammembers while mafia?

Okay, I gotta review LP myself.

Nanook 50/50 hes here but not very high effort, then again neither am I so who can judge that.

Falcon I don't know the meta on grammar, but it would be silly if you were both mafia to lie about that, so I'll take it at face value, but not a fan that he jumped over to me. NOW (on purpose caps ) one could say just OMGUS to everyone. But, I'd counter with falcon by saying he flipflopped back and forth then settled on me late when I had no chance of getting lynched letting him stay off the major wagons. Also he's well aware of how I'm a big D1/2 mislynch.
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Not enough to lynch him off of, but I"d not top 3 him

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:27 pm Dizzy was targeted by one person, but sure I'll wait until halfway through the day.

Yea I'd hold it for a hot second.

also quick note my caps key is messed up so if it seems like I"m screaming probably not. Unless I am then I'll add the proper emoji

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:21 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:14 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:13 pm Honestly Sig just always flips Mafia here.
They pussyfoot around calling me scum until Mac says I'm scum then hard tunnel.

bitch I can pull up your quotes.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:44 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:41 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:31 pm but also not a fan of LP jumping right into throwing out names

could you elaborate on why you think this is indicative of someone being a wolf

or indicative of not being town

Jack kinda already made the point. LP seemed to very pre-emptively set up a few people and already rolled back one (Jack). So I"m not saying we should vote LP out over it. But, it should raise eyebrows how quickly they are to try and pivot and take advantage of the kill by throwing out multiple names.

Also just generally there's literally no reason to suspect me just alot of hype from Gullio over a literal joke with someone who went on to suspect me. Never built a case or gave any reasoning.

Fuck I'll even highlight it for you.
You just call me suspicious for suspecting you, but don't want to commit to lynching me.
Then you just don't comment further until Mac says something then you just pull quotes saying they look bad with no explanation as to why.

You pulled a quote where I just asked why Sabie had a wagon since no one on it had yet to explain it and ignore the fact that I have multiple posts after interacting with Sabie explaining why I didn't think they came from Town.
Your second quote is just confirmation bias. That's normal scumhunting.
And you don't even comment on the third quote which was just an observation which was accurate. You can go back and read.

You just don't have a case on me and are trying to dismiss me solely because I sused you.

If I can't read them they're not real.

I think you're playing semantics a bit with wording here, trying to tie me in with Mac when I was catching up on the thread myself. Not like I waited for him to post and we were literally both posting in real time.

I'll grant you the confirmation bias, but raise that you're basically doing the same thing for me.

Seems like you're just following Guillo tunneling and trying to find reasoning/giving very weak reasoning such as expecting me to be as into it or more unhappy with the cfd. Those are such unquantifiable and nonsensical reasons. Which you've given for multiple players already. Later in the game I could maybe see it, but D1/into day 2? NAH.

Having said that I do find some radar raising things even not relating to me from my skim, I'm not a fan of how many future votes you're trying to set up or again how your first post in thread was attempting to set up basically 3. I'm no means at the super scum 100% red killllll kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil killl, but I'd consider voting for you.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:08 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:51 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:48 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:25 pm @falcon45ca

When you get on let me know your full thought process on Gavial.

I feel I've outlined my feelings on Gav's slot pretty clearly. Do you have a specific question in mind?


I'd put Gav at 72% scum

My thing is that Gavial's mafia game is that his viewpoint is zoned in way more, as in we saw him just tunnel the hell out of Mac during our last game, and I remember him tunneling Alison all game in Baby Mafia.

I didn't keep up with the rest of the game after I died, how was he during the rest of the game when he was mafia? Did he give dichotomies like he's doing this game during Akemi Mafia?

who are your top town?

Nanook, Falcon, LP would be most confident townreads.
Everyone else I've listed on my townlist is slightly below but I would not be voting today or any time soon.

Why those three?
What do you think of Falcon voting off the wagons?

@MacDougall can you walk me through sabie vote. Is she just mafiaish right now or just thinkign resolve. Haven't bothered to read her iso yet, but promise i will

god forbid people post at the same time.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:13 pm Honestly Sig just always flips Mafia here.
They pussyfoot around calling me scum until Mac says I'm scum then hard tunnel.

I also did a quikc skim of Guilli we've only ever played one game together, but I'm right now thinking not mafia, just confused tunneling civ.

LP, Sabie, falcon, and one other. Probably either someone on Sean wagon or another random off wagon voter (but not sig noooope not him at all)

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:25 pm What's with the Sabie wagon right now? Is it just that they aren't really contributing?
I can't seem to find a justification for it other than possibly that.

I don't like how you went from this when sabie started to how it ended with very little lead up or reasoning.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:30 pm I can possibly see a world where Jack is Mafia and Guillotine's vote on Gav being a desperation move to 50/50 the lynch so a Mafia isn't offed.
For now I'm going to switch to Marmot, but if people don't get on so we can actually decide a lynch instead of randoming it I'll throw my vote onto one of the other wagons.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

also not a fan of this

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:26 pm We have like 5 hours left and I'm not seeing a good wagon right now other than maybe Marmot just because they seem so disinterested in scum hunting or contributing.

Or this

What i see here is hedging on Marmot, and again trying to set up future lynches in Jack/Guillo. while also earlier trying to save Sabie a bit, but not really sticking neck out.

Then you immediately at start of day call out three people, but also mention leaving sabie alive and lynching off her wagon instead?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:08 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:54 pm To be fair we'd need to actually confirm Sabie's alignment to really see if it was a CFD off Mafia.
It's a bit frustrating we didn't get the chance to actually see the slot flip instead we effectively no lynched since we can't analyze a random CFD not knowing anything about the person it saved or who started it.

probs could kill you tbh

Uhoh Mac and i might agree.

He's also been ignoring me which I dont appreciate.

Also is it worth it for both snipers to claim now, ik we've got one claim out there.

The issue will of course be if one rolled mafia, but otherwise we can discuss as a thread kill targets and ensure we don't accidentally vote for them.

I also don't appreciate that i was brought up as a CFD target on D1, when i was literally just mislynched day 1 when i was inactive and after I said in sign ups I'd not be super active to start with so shame, shame on all of you.

Also thought about it leaning a wee bit less of mafia for Guillo, still throwing my vote there, he's another I plan to review since i can reverse tunnel at time.

Also really do need a solid reasoning why I'm mafia or suspected mafia beyond a post I made D0 my second, very obvious jokign post.

So, it looks like we went from splintered votes.

Random wagon on Marmot for not trying hard enough day 1. My opinion is this is straight nonsense, can't expect people to be super series D0/1 I personalyl don't play mafia to do some crazy hard core constand psoting and be super duper series. Its not fun and that's the same attitude of Wilgy/marmot hence the more lackadaisical nature of our playstyle.

Then it looks like we split into Sabie and Sean. Really don't remember seeing anything from sean case wise or really post wise.

Sabie responses are pretty bad from the skim, but ofc the issue with CFDs are just that they're chaotic and not thought out so its hard to breakdown votes.

I plan to ISO sabie today see what I see, I've played with her a fair amount so should be able to get an okay read. Generally she posts less as mafia just as a whole and from what I remember seems more genuine when town. More likely to build cases ect, but it's been awhile.

A few things did stick out which I'll touch on, but alot of yesterday seemed to be just Gulllio and Gavill talking.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:51 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:38 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:52 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:42 pm Watchers should be enough to deter Mafia from trying to use a Pyro airblast to create a False Mafia confirm.
And if Mafia does try to double roleblock one of their own to manually destroy the building the Waters should pick that up and we heavily push the roleblocker who was not supposed to be there.

It's the very post they voted for Gavial, at that time they already had 6 votes on them, SABIE DEFINITELY KNOWS THAT THEY ARE MAIN WAGON

OK, I see what you're talking about.


Still, given they did mention prior to this when they voted Marmot they'd try and make EOD, the sudden push on Sabie makes me pause.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:41 pm I feel as tho Sig has dipped after getting D0 heat

Again didn't just dip, and really didn't get any heat since I don't consider one tunneling towny to be heat.

And again I said pre game i'd be busy, I work sorry can't be around playing mafia 24/7.

I find these two posts especially bad given it allowed falcon to avoid a wagon and he's played enough with me anyway.

For the dizzy thing, the only thing I see from him suspecting me was an agreement with Gullio and that's so nonsensical i'm ignoring it and the fact he didn't like how i described Gavil playstyle, which sorry I stick by that. I liked his post, he was posting early content, and that's that.

"Allowed falcon to avoid a wagon" says the man who voted off both major wagons

I was afk though

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:41 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:31 pm but also not a fan of LP jumping right into throwing out names

could you elaborate on why you think this is indicative of someone being a wolf

or indicative of not being town

Jack kinda already made the point. LP seemed to very pre-emptively set up a few people and already rolled back one (Jack). So I"m not saying we should vote LP out over it. But, it should raise eyebrows how quickly they are to try and pivot and take advantage of the kill by throwing out multiple names.

Also just generally there's literally no reason to suspect me just alot of hype from Gullio over a literal joke with someone who went on to suspect me. Never built a case or gave any reasoning.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:37 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:31 pm Hey I'm here sorry for going awall second part of last phase work got crazy. I"ll catch up on the thread today. Does look like we had a cfd which smh those never work shame.

Immediatly thinking we should review dizzy post see what's up with them, but also not a fan of LP jumping right into throwing out names. Especially since one of those names are mine

See and this is why I put your name out.
Immediately throw sus at me for suggesting you could be Mafia who killed one of your only pushers, you don't really sound genuinely angry at the CFD just "smh," and just seem so nonchalant and calm in this post suggesting to review Dizzy's posts before going for any conclusions.
This just doesn't sound all that genuine.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:35 pm I personally don't feel like investigating the seanzie votes because I'm largely sure that what happened was stupid

there was so little discussion around yeeting seanzie (compared to most voting options at least) that I doubt I would be able to tell the difference from mafia and town votes lol

Honestly yeah, Town should never have gone for that terrible wagon. There was literally no reason to vote Seanzie whatsoever.

I don't take this game series enough to be anything other than smh. I mean if you want me to fake some outrage I will, buuuuut we cfd so much here i'm never shcoked when it happens and usually it never works. Its kinda a running argument I get in, but not worth pulling hair out.

And sorry It is a little bit sus to open immediately first post with a Dizzy death means X Y Z lets ax these players. Since that's just as likely something mafia would do as killing someone who suspects them. So say mafia isn't on the radar yet, why wouldn"t they kill someone who was strongly calling out the wrong people?

Just not a fan of how quickly you jumped to that and provided 3 names. vs just like one.

First thing I always do on a catch up is search my name so.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:42 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:41 pm I feel as tho Sig has dipped after getting D0 heat

Correct after they omgus me

This is 100% false.

1. You gave a totally nonsensical reason, literally was based off a very obvious D0 joke post. Then preceded to do very little actual hunting and just pester ppl to vote for me. Also I stuck around for a very long time so the whole dipped when got heat thing is very much false.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:41 pm Honestly yeah I can kind of see that reading Sig's posts.
What mostly get's me is their lack of reads in favor of bread crums of reads such as questions like "is Sean usually aggressive" and simple things like "I don't like this" or "I like this"
This is probably the most egregious one.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:03 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:56 pm Gavial might be town after all. Hard to tell with him, so interested to see what others think.

Is gavial usually high content mafia member?

Since I'm liking the level of though and quality of his posts atm

It's basically just shade while saying he thinks he's town.

This isn't shade it's a genuine question based off ameta I don't know. Which like nobody bothered to answer anyway.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:52 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:42 pm Watchers should be enough to deter Mafia from trying to use a Pyro airblast to create a False Mafia confirm.
And if Mafia does try to double roleblock one of their own to manually destroy the building the Waters should pick that up and we heavily push the roleblocker who was not supposed to be there.

It's the very post they voted for Gavial, at that time they already had 6 votes on them, SABIE DEFINITELY KNOWS THAT THEY ARE MAIN WAGON

OK, I see what you're talking about.


Still, given they did mention prior to this when they voted Marmot they'd try and make EOD, the sudden push on Sabie makes me pause.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:41 pm I feel as tho Sig has dipped after getting D0 heat

Again didn't just dip, and really didn't get any heat since I don't consider one tunneling towny to be heat.

And again I said pre game i'd be busy, I work sorry can't be around playing mafia 24/7.

I find these two posts especially bad given it allowed falcon to avoid a wagon and he's played enough with me anyway.

For the dizzy thing, the only thing I see from him suspecting me was an agreement with Gullio and that's so nonsensical i'm ignoring it and the fact he didn't like how i described Gavil playstyle, which sorry I stick by that. I liked his post, he was posting early content, and that's that.

If someone can give me a quick recap I"ll also take that as I catch up.

Hey I'm here sorry for going awall second part of last phase work got crazy. I"ll catch up on the thread today. Does look like we had a cfd which smh those never work shame.

Immediatly thinking we should review dizzy post see what's up with them, but also not a fan of LP jumping right into throwing out names. Especially since one of those names are mine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:21 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:15 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:09 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:04 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:03 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:56 pm Gavial might be town after all. Hard to tell with him, so interested to see what others think.

Is gavial usually high content mafia member?

Since I'm liking the level of though and quality of his posts atm

What do you consider «quality» in his posts?

Like not just random fluff or throwing things out there. Seems to be doing alot of attempted gamesolving for D1. Which unless he has a history of being suptown mafia isn't something I'd think most mafia members would do so early. So i guess it's less what he's saying/posting, but more that he's gamesolving and posting alot.

I love when someone I scum read posts a read on someone I also suspect because, I don't see a wolf who sees the position wolf!Gavial is in and tries to defend him. Why risk it? To dirty him more in case Gavial is still alive when Sig flips? Is it worth associating him/heself with Gavial if Sig was scum?

I think Sig is town if Gavial is scum.

If Gavial is scum, Sig is town. Agreed.
If Sig is scum, Gavial is town (because Sig’s post here would be tmi, and similar to your reasoning - Sig wouldn’t talk about a buddy like this.

So basically a difference check here.
Unless they are both town, which is possible.

This seems like some confused confirmation bias/set up for at least one maybe two lynches. More so from Gullio then you though.

the play will go as such.

"Let's vote sig since that'll prove this about gavil and we can town core him" Then when i flip town, It'll be Ooops wrong about sig no big deal lets vote gavil now since no way can they be on the same team"

Annnnnnnnnnd BOOM two town players gone and most likely no blow back created.

Do i think this is gonna happen? Maybe too early in game to tell. Do I think mafia gullio is trying to lay ground work for it? Yes, yes i do.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:22 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:14 pm How series is this jack talk? Since if its joking whatever, but if not I'm very much against voting off someone with no posts and it raises a red flag for anyone that wants to do it.

And who wants to do it? Nobody has suggested it afaik

I thought it was being discussed? Like pretty sure someone brought up axing no poster and how jack rolled mafia alot.

counterpoint, We're discussing it now meaning it was brought up since we just did bring it up therefore it has been suggested.

How series is this jack talk? Since if its joking whatever, but if not I'm very much against voting off someone with no posts and it raises a red flag for anyone that wants to do it.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:09 pm Trying to sort out the LP Guillo argument. I think meta reads can be open to interpretation like two people can see someone's play in different ways. So I feel like falcon seemed like his usual town self to me far but I don't know him as well as others might. My wilgy meta is telling me his random mumble posting is towny.

Tell me your thoughts on that since ngl I started skimming that and then brain dumped it.

I agree with wilgy meta, I do expect him to start like doing something, but not this early and he's mislynched almost as much as me so we gotta have that day 1 protection going on.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:49 pm TSP and Sabie are Town.
LP and Dolby are Town.
Martin is Likely Town.

(Guillo/Falcon/Sean) Contain at least 1 Wolf
(Marmot/Dizzy/Nanook/Lime Coke) Contain at least 1 Wolf
(Dizzy/Guillo) One flips Wolf, flip the other they probably also Wolf.

Left with Jack/Wilgy/Mac/Sig/NAA where I’m pretty sure if there is a wolf there is never 3 but possible on 2 but more likely 1 but probable for 0 wolves.

Though I do like this post.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:04 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:03 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:56 pm Gavial might be town after all. Hard to tell with him, so interested to see what others think.

Is gavial usually high content mafia member?

Since I'm liking the level of though and quality of his posts atm

What do you consider «quality» in his posts?

Like not just random fluff or throwing things out there. Seems to be doing alot of attempted gamesolving for D1. Which unless he has a history of being suptown mafia isn't something I'd think most mafia members would do so early. So i guess it's less what he's saying/posting, but more that he's gamesolving and posting alot.

thought, I swear I can spell.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:56 pm Gavial might be town after all. Hard to tell with him, so interested to see what others think.

Is gavial usually high content mafia member?

Since I'm liking the level of though and quality of his posts atm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:58 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:47 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:42 amLP said he had doubts on me because ive been all over he place and looked like i was looking to latch onto any bandwagon. That description fits scummy behavior, he didnt directly call me scummy for scum hunting but he paraphrased it.

Why are you not catching this? How many times have you read it?

1.5 times.
You know what, I'm all for you pressuring on LP. Go for it. I just got caught up in your general reasoning, which is super faulty imo.

I caught a wolf in his second post in another game for the same faulty reasoning. So if you are town and i turn to be right, i’d suggest you to check on that.

What do you think of @sig ?

I think Gavial could be the designated mischop by scum and we are playing into scum’s hands by making him the lead wagon, even though i have my suspicions on Gavial, it cant be this easy to catch scum.

Ah i see. My friend think you need to get your sarcasm meter adjusted or perhaps go down to the store and pick up a joke detector

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:45 pm It’s a deal, Sig.

I was planning on being coy about my reads. But impatience.

@DrWilgy wanna join the cultcore? It's like a pyramid scheme the sooner you get in the better it'll be for you.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:41 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:39 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:37 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:33 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:48 pm Sean and Falcon, you should start a town core. You’re both town. I’m rooting for you!

Not a fan of this. Starting towncores literally seconds into the game actually starting is a sure fire way to get a mafia member in the towncore and nuke entire game.

Some people are easy to read, I’m confident in my ability to do so, and I want this game to have some sort of strong town foundations, and not just a bunch of vigilantes (which is a danger, looking at the player list).

So is it towny or scummy of me, ref “not a fan”?

Not towny or scummy. More of a general disagreement on creating a core so soon. I think you and other players do it regardless of alignment tbh.

Fair.

Honestly, it’s more that I feel good about those players, and I want cooperation and not derailment and singular town players working on their own this game. Maybe I don’t need to worry so much though. But I like trust as a weapon.

I see I see,

I"ll trust you if you trust me.

We can run off into the woods form our own towncore, create a bigger town core, slowly but surely turn our towncore into a life style and BAM, cult leaders. It'll end with either 1. us all getting arrested 2. You poisoning everyone in our cult, or 3. me stealing all the cult money and living my best life in an undisclosed location.

Right now I'd prefer option 3, but 2 does sound promising.

Also, low key gonna confuse LP and LC at least a few times this game since already did it once. rip

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:37 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:33 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:48 pm Sean and Falcon, you should start a town core. You’re both town. I’m rooting for you!

Not a fan of this. Starting towncores literally seconds into the game actually starting is a sure fire way to get a mafia member in the towncore and nuke entire game.

Some people are easy to read, I’m confident in my ability to do so, and I want this game to have some sort of strong town foundations, and not just a bunch of vigilantes (which is a danger, looking at the player list).

So is it towny or scummy of me, ref “not a fan”?

Not towny or scummy. More of a general disagreement on creating a core so soon. I think you and other players do it regardless of alignment tbh.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:34 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:07 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:48 pm Sean and Falcon, you should start a town core. You’re both town. I’m rooting for you!

The fuck is this? Why do you post like you shouldnt be in the towncore of those you townread?

I’m not planning to be very active at the start of this.

Thread is quiet and I want the game to have a good start though.

Also, think I’ll exchange my Falcon for Guillo right now.

Sean is town. I know him, this be town.
Tony is town cause I can tell.
Guillo is probably town and Sean thinks so too so that’s good. Work together \o/
Lime is town because he’s cute and also real reasons.

^I think this is a nice town core to start with.
(Dis)agreements?

Does sean usually come out so aggressive in setting out reads? Ik i've played with him before but can't recall much.

Can"t agree on Lime, need some pics first or are we saying like the vibe/profile pic is cute? I could see vibe, but not profile pic. i mean don't get me wrong it isn't bad just not cute ya feel me?

Also as i just previously mentioned disagree re town core this soon, but as long as ppl don't blindly sheep and will move players out of town core, it isn't the end of the world to have one.

I"m gonna go ahead throw a vote onto gullitone for the time being. We haven't played alot, but we've played enough they should know i'm an easy D1 mislynch, gave some very weak reasoning, and did just not enough set up to throw on a vote and not move it.