The Syndicate

Told you don wasn't civ.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine Let's tie it up.

Also legit like nobody seems to bother to engage me on game related posts so i'm not really going to be deep diving into it when I'm literally like shouting into darkness.

I really just don't see all the remaining mafia being among the low posters/inactive I think you have one mid active player in the bunch given the effort Wiml put into the game.

You can take out Creature, for now, but the lynch didn't really clear anyone else. Though not a fan of their defeatist attitude.

I also really think we need to revisit the mechanic of the two extra shots but legit nobody wants to.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:45 am I have been pressureeeeed

lol

Herm wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:29 pm I'm honestly not sure if Sig is lazytown or superutrscum.

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine
[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

superutrscum?

Herm wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:45 pm Sig only catching up to post fluff is very suspicious.

I'm posting content between the fluff, but nobody seems to want to engage in my posts.

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:28 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:22 pm Man you all would rather tinfoil me than consider Maemot wolf lol
Sig hasn't read the game properly and has high scum equity you're obviously cleared town dw

If you're willing to take responsibility for this game I'll sheep you, I don't have meta here your reads are gonna be better so I'd you're super super confident that's fine you can take the lead but Sig is pinging me hard rn

Meh, question the validity of Creature meta read on almost everyone here.

Also I'm not saying lets lynch him today there's the claim that got Wilm lynched sure, but like tin foiling is tin foiling for a reason.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:40 pm I still have really no opinion on LoMo from what I've seen. They're probably the player I look at next?
Give us some hard takes, cuz you seem kinda waffley
Duskfall/Tim/Ydrasse/Wurzel/Creature/You town.
sig/LC very weakly town.
Herm wolf. Rest of PoE is probably Nanook and LoMo/orange from having no read there.

Creature or Falcon one is probably mafia,

Orange or Nanook are up there also. Mainly since I can't recall a single post from orange and nanook I can't ever read.

Haven't read enough of LC/Marmot to say either way.

I'll probably do some ISOs tomorrow but that's where my heads at right now.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:21 am After some time to review, I'm still leaning towards Wurzel being town (especially given his meta of often making really bad posts as town - sorry Wurzel!).

Yeah his D2 has been awful (although I can excuse some of his clear lack of effort / WIM given D1 events and the general tone of the thread, I think his has been a particularly sharp decline) but I think there are a few posts he made D1 that I don't think he would be able to replicate as a wolf (most importantly his case on Ender - he's not the type of player who I would expect that from if he had TMI that Ender was town). I think his tone is also on point (which is important because the times he wolfed in the past, he was completely off tonally and that isn't the case here).

I'm not quite as confident as I was at SoD but I think the narrative of Wurzel being town and just being lazy / disinterested after D1's events also fits better in this case.

Some soft defense here, which I'm not a fan of.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:20 am Half tempted to vote Wurzel so Tim actually plays the game tomorrow.

meh, don't like this either.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:15 pm Vig taking out Ender doesn't make sense IMO, but it's not overly important I s'pose.

Went thru Sig's ISO, it looks safe AF.

Thank you?

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:14 pm I don't get why people would want to sleep btw, what's the point in the vote someone explain please

I wanted to see what would happen, plus I had subbed in and it was clear Hollow was getting lynched. So why not?

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:40 pm I still have really no opinion on LoMo from what I've seen. They're probably the player I look at next?
Give us some hard takes, cuz you seem kinda waffley
Duskfall/Tim/Ydrasse/Wurzel/Creature/You town.
sig/LC very weakly town.
Herm wolf. Rest of PoE is probably Nanook and LoMo/orange from having no read there.

So there's a mafia member in
Dusk, Tim, Wurzel, creature, and Falcon.

I've been eyeing Wurzel all game made a few posts about them they haven't really done anything to make me think they're civs. I have been informed by my scum buddies found while skimming that Wurzel apparently claimed night 1 shot.

Have it here below in spoliers

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@Don Wurzeloni Why did you feel it was necessary to claim right then?

Wurz, claiming is so iffy, I hate when people just randomly claim and it could be a mafia move, but at the same time isn't super logical. I also never really thought mafia would have 2 kills, unless we have some heavy defensive roles going on that seems weird balance wise.

Still a bit meh on day vig though.

Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:30 pm SIG's ISO

#950 - "Anyone who isn’t voting sleep is probably mafia so is long con" - I really don't like this post. Why would people vote sleep on D1
#973 - "Hollow is a stalker which probably equals mafia but they’re amusing so I’m not gonna lynch them". I wasn't in favour of lynching HK myself as I wanted to vig him but this is a bad reason not to.
#1067 - Culture clash between myself and Sig over Gavial
#1068 - Doesn't believe Nanook's PR claim
#1071 - "Maybe idk I'm not reading the thread that closely. Just let me fuck around until like we're at Lynch or Loose and I'll be serious." - not helpful to town
#1235 - "Don, Alison and an Inactive are my three mafia reads. Runner up is everyone else playing so post game i can say I was right."
#1237 - Adds Ender to the list
#1470 - Very critical of Ydrasse's first big post
#1472 - Alison is accusing sig of being scum due to previous inconsistencies
Day 1 - Sig doesn't vote
#1808 - This is the post that I really hated as Sig refuses to give reads
#1813 - "I'm really just not liking Ydrasse posts, I don't think anyone them included responded to my post talking about their entry one. And that was one of my only on topic things. I could see them being mafia at this point, Don i'm still feeling meh on. Tim, LC, and Wiml seem towny. The day vig also confirms that." - Town reads WIML. Possible partner equity?
#1816 - Doesn't like Tim's 4 wolves "See I don't know how I feel about this though. Do you suspect they're mafia or what. like how does chopping them get us mafia." Again partner equity with WIML as pushing back on Tim

CONCLUSION: 2 things I really don't like - the refusal to provide reads and the no vote on D1 when he said we shouldn't lynch HK. Partner equity with WIML. Definitely not partnered with Ydrasse. Lean scum

I'll do some more ISOs tomorrow - Falcon and someone else.

I voted to sleep, not a no vote.

I was hoping something cool would happen. Alas nothing did.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:36 pm I'm not defending myself here because there's no point. Good luck wolves have a good one.

Missed some prime lulz posting with this. Disappointed very disappointed.

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:03 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:09 pm I'm highly doubtful we'd have SK and mafia kills, if there's a third party killer they wouldn't kill every night for sure. I'm thinking either limited shot vig or JOAT
This is a good point I randomly found from Sig.

Thank you.

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:59 pm you are making yourself sound like todays kill rn

You seem to be taking all the wrong posts from me serious.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:59 am How far behind are you with catching up orange? Do you need cliffs?

Doesn't seem like teammate interaction.

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:14 am Need some reads from KZA.

Votes being spread this far is usually a bad sign.

@falcon45ca, @Wiml, why am I a scumread?

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:57 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:55 pm Also its only day 3 not time to be that serious.
day 3 is mid game when do we get serious? we have to set up to make endgame winnable for town, not toss them to the dirt with 3 unreadable slots randing into the wind

day 5ish?

Depending how I'm feeling.

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:54 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:53 pm Why have we decided the second night kill was mafia?
Why have we decided the day kill was a civ shot?
why dont you just read the game?

Or wait for it

we can have a discussion since so far the logic isn't there from my skim and that'll be the most you get from me probably.

Nothing is stopping you from being mafia having day shot and claiming it.

There has been no information provided or found to say the second kill was mafia. Making these leaps is dumb since it can change NKA and it can change reads.

For example, If second kill was mafia who was active N1 and could've sent in the kill? Right there that probably puts some civ points in LC/Marmot camp.

Also its only day 3 not time to be that serious.

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:53 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:51 pm its day 3 chill with the lets kill the less active people. Seems a bit counterproductive honestly.
why?

Trying to policy lynch on two replacements when really not that mucn have happened doesn't make much sense.

Give a better reason then oh they're not playing enough. Especially since the flipped mafia member was active can't assume statistically the rest of the team is inactive. Waste of time to just randomly lynch.

Why have we decided the second night kill was mafia?
Why have we decided the day kill was a civ shot?

its day 3 chill with the lets kill the less active people. Seems a bit counterproductive honestly.

2 things.

1. was marmot always in this game?
2. Can someone give me a quick catch up?

Better post some fluff so I'm safe from the all mighty death hammer.

Oof mod kills

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:15 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:10 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:44 am So here's the deal.

Over the next four chops if we kill Nanook, Wurzel, Wiml, and Kza we will have eliminated enough wolves to have time to sort out whatever else needs to be done, and will have enough red flips to inform us how to do that.

I'll be back well before EoD.

Y'all decide which of those you wanna kill first.
I like this, though looks a wee bit bad with KZA being on here.
I didn't say that was the wolf team. I said if we chop those four we get some wolves and enough info to find the rest. The Kza flip was disappointing in that it was not red flip, but also in that it happened before Kza even said anything about my plan.

See I don't know how I feel about this though. Do you suspect they're mafia or what. like how does chopping them get us mafia.

confirms that dusk isn't worth pursing right now.*

Only instance in that they're mafia is if we have a gun smith or mafia has a day kill.

I'm really just not liking Ydrasse posts, I don't think anyone them included responded to my post talking about their entry one. And that was one of my only on topic things.

I could see them being mafia at this point, Don i'm still feeling meh on.

Tim, LC, and Wiml seem towny. The day vig also confirms that.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:12 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:10 pm Also work is and will continue to be hectic until Thursday night.
You mean Hectic the player?

maybe

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:12 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:08 pm Hmm i'm no expert in math but this isn't looking great right now.
Dusk acted w/ good intentions I believe

Yea, I mean we aren't super deep, only down one extra civ.

Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:02 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Ydrasse
@sig
@Long Con

Can you please share your latest town and scum reads

No

Also work is and will continue to be hectic until Thursday night.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:44 am So here's the deal.

Over the next four chops if we kill Nanook, Wurzel, Wiml, and Kza we will have eliminated enough wolves to have time to sort out whatever else needs to be done, and will have enough red flips to inform us how to do that.

I'll be back well before EoD.

Y'all decide which of those you wanna kill first.

I like this, though looks a wee bit bad with KZA being on here.

I'm highly doubtful we'd have SK and mafia kills, if there's a third party killer they wouldn't kill every night for sure. I'm thinking either limited shot vig or JOAT

Hmm i'm no expert in math but this isn't looking great right now.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:18 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:17 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:15 pm Miss you already
Saaaame

@hollowkatt go sign up for avatar.
Yea definitely do this @hollowkatt id love to have you!

And maybe like you should PM the player who told him to go and idk let him pick his role.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:15 pm Miss you already

Saaaame

@hollowkatt go sign up for avatar.

Good good it would've been reeeeeeally awkward for me if they flipped mafia.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:56 pm Wait no Alison was accusing sig mb

Alison always accuses sig.

Poor sig, we should all feel bad for Alison bullying him and let him coast to end game.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:54 pm sig is actually outed mafia because he's been very loud about always getting rid of 3Ps in the past so the fact that he's complaining about a 3P exe now is outing.

Psh in the whole two games you've played with me, months ago?

Also I'd disagree on this, I'm back and forth based off the game, type of third party, and time in game. Frequently when I'm most vocally 3rd party you'll find its when I suspect them to be cult/Serial killer types or I'm mafia.

Plus this is the first time interacting with me its a little early to accuse isn't it.

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Ydrasse wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:28 am i'm not good at catching up but i'll take some notes while i do:

1) before i even get started, the 3p thing regarding @HK -- i'm sorry if you felt forced by my slot-ancestor to out since i know 3p is very rare/fun to get to play (at least from what i've seen since i've never been lucky enough to get it OTL) but i'm probably going to vote you today barring a really good wolfread. which i don't know if i'll get since i have low confidence in really nailing someone as one, but. yeah. just wanted to apologize if my slot messed up your game. :/ fwiw if it was like, Good For Town tm i'd wish you could stay alive.

2) i guess a bit of an introduction wrt me and forum mafia: hi i'm ydrasse, i was invited to mafsynd, i play on mafiascum a lot. i've rolled scum more times than i have ever wanted in my life. my talents are looking very cute and towny and not getting voted out, usually. i'll probably be around when i'm not at work. please don't ask why i'm only catching up now.

okay anyways

- most of early game gives me nothing, the first thing i felt as a real ping was 71, i don't know why, the frustration feels slightly +town.

- 95 slightly? +town for alison? i have retrospect of knowing hk is 3p but alison outing that feels good knowing it'll come to fruition. also the fact that hk votes her in 97 makes me feel good about them not being aligned.

- herm identifying alison as town is nice (137). feel smart. feel good. herm gets a bit of trust.

- long con hopping onto hk isn't as towny as pointing it out but they're agreeing with the sentiment and pushing it through. so townpoints.

- 184 alison cementing self as most trusted town. this feels like a read i would make LMAO.

- i haven't really had any thoughts about esooa so far but 188 is the fun sort of pop in that i don't trust much? like it's a subtle way to undermine gavial's push in the way that while even i don't agree with it, it frames gavial as like... incorrect. i think this only matters if falcon actually is a wolf though and esooa's trying to poke a little bit at my slot. or i'm overthinking. i want to pretend i'm smart.

- 201 +wolf for ender without knowing how it's followed up on. i don't have much of a read on wurzel going through these old posts but, again, retrospect.

- 228 is interesting, because i feel like someone sees a slot that's been talked about to some degree and voices an opinion of the slot before they voice their meta ways of reading said person? even then it's followed up with "i don't have much of an opinion" skimming ahead in esooa's iso which is weird to me. maybe it's that esooa didn't express the same confidence following this as she could have knowing he's easy to locktown/lockscum for her? or i guess thinking about it a bit more, identifying someone's posts as weird feels like it could be a small tmi in that esooa knows that wurzel presents as scummy at times but knows his alignment or something and it fell through. idk. i don't trust this slot right now.

- creature feels a little towny. i don't have concrete reasons for this. the votes on him feel like lhf votes because he's not doing anything. it's an easy place for wolves to go to, and oh look, ender, esooa. i can feel myself starting to tunnel a bit going down to 264. going on this, 303 also makes me feel some kind of way. i do feel that ender's... eagerness? on page 7 is slightly +town though, throwing out pings to interact like that.

- 321. !

- i'm warming up to ender on page 8. he has this fun energy that feels like he's town pumped to do things here more than before. if i'm being suckered i'm glad it's by the passion to play but i'm going back and forth on this slot.

- tempted to sheep my slot-ancestor's read on falcon if only for lack of my own opinion there currently, he was positing them as a team but it could be groupscum and then the 3p. hk arguing earlier that they aren't paired with falcon looked genuine and like, clearly it's because it is but i don't think it excludes falcon.

- not sure what to make of wiml right now, on page 10. same with duskfall. i lied about duskfall i'm leery of people labeling a slot as "incorrect" or "misguided" etc etc because they know that like, they're not doing things scummy but idk. being able to say it without worrying /why/ someone is incorrect and if it's meaningful is a bad look. (505)

- 549 is EITHER +town or +scum for duskfall with the latter having a caveat of it being theater and that's the only way i'd frame it as scummy.

- I am very bad at this game if there isn't at least 1 scum in duskfall/ender/esooa.

- 626 compared to 641. hm.

- i don't know what isn't clicking about these scumreads on herm but they're not getting through me.

- it's hard to reconcile gavial's actions and reactions to it like [urlhttps://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2150&start=700#p816294]735[/url]; there were clear like, impacts made by how he behaved in his tunneling and i'm having an issue trying to figure out if like, this behavior is "bad" ie scummy but not really elaborating on it is meh.

- wiml feels town. idk. i'm tired.

- kza has passable vibes but i can't remember much before their posts around 780. decent vote sick avatar we love mari. null.

- 978????? what??

- 1057; so. i find it interesting how wurz frames his lower tier reads as anti-town rather as scum, because there's like a subtle difference to me in that the latter has more conviction and it feels more like you're actively trying to solve. anti-town is a broad thing to say about someone and it doesn't intrinsically mean that someone is a wolf/etc. the fact that he calls nanook sus also means that he's clearly thinking about the difference between "bad for town" and "bad for town because this person could be a wolf." but is content to not really... dive deeper yet of the motivations of gav/falcon to see if the things they were doing were just annoying/hard to deal with or actually bad. it's a lazy sort that doesn't give much information at all and is littered with a wishy-washy mindset to boot. bad.

- if i am wrong on any of my reads so far i am going to trust long con because ours feel inverse in 1082 and it was curious to realize.

okay thank god i'm done because i'm so tired, i hate reading trhough threads like this.

town: alison, creature, herm, wiml

wolves: esooa/dusk/ender(?)/falco(?)

3p: hk

everyone not mentioned is varying shades of null to my tired mind.

This was such a massive post so gonna wrap it and just enlarge what's a super ping for me. First, I dislike how this catch up occurred mainly since it's exactly what I'd do as mafia and I never trust mafiascum players on principle.

The big text sticks out since they're preemptively defending their slot, now this is a big deal in my mind since it isn't something a civilian would do imo. They know their role is bad so trying to cover for something outside their own control .

SO if people could give their thoughts on this post then also the prior slots posts that would be great. I plan to do the same.

Herm wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:19 pm
Wiml wrote:Would you explain Sig to me please?
Only thing is other players being weirded out that I pushed a vote on an inactive.

Why were you pushing inactives? And why would you suspect people who are weirded out by that.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:41 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:41 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:40 pm @sig Do something towny
I'm not mafia gooooo town
T
O
W
N
TOWN
That gets a 3/10

As long as we're using golf scoring then i'm cool with it.

Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:24 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:17 pm
Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:15 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:11 pm Did Don really suggest lynching randomly is better than lynching potential scumsiding 3p?
I'm not lynching randomly - I have a case against you. My point was that if we say there are 4 wolves and 1 3p, it is better to focus on the 4 wolves first as there are more of them. And the 3p might town side or be otherwise resolved.
this is not good mafia theory
Why not please?

I need to read this case again and actually like focus in on it. But, I agree with Don here. Lynched a third party is this early on a waste of time and a safe lynch for mafia to jump on and maybe even gain town credit. I don't like that people seem to be trying to shut down other conversations and someone should really look into who's doing that and what they're shutting down.

I would, but i'm kinda lazy. So I'll task that out to someone else.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:09 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:07 pm Was Sig always voting sleep? Just noticed it now.
A quick check suggests they weren't.

Thought it would be fun, plus just subbed in so why not?

If there was a tie or closer conversations going on I'd probably have dug deeper and picked someone, but it seems like a runaway right now.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:40 pm @sig Do something towny

I'm not mafia gooooo town
T
O
W
N
TOWN

Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:42 am
sig wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:37 am I'm wary of scum slips I never get lynched when I make real ones then always get lynched when I make fake ones.
Why would you make fake ones?

Does the UK in your avatar refer to the UK or something else?

If by the UK you mean University of Kentucky then yes. Otherwise nope.

Fake is probably the wrong word, more like people think I've made scum slips and they aren't and i get lynched.

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