The Syndicate

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:18 am So like since it’s a draw we all get a ticket for GoC 2024 right

2023*

So like since it’s a draw we all get a ticket for GoC 2024 right

well whatever I’ve said my piece I’m not wasting my Sunday writing posts that’ll be ignored.

Everyone should be naming off a team of 5, looking at the voting breakdown/wagon logically, and not just blindly following Lucy.

Now I’m not saying 100% Mac is mafia, but the fact nobody seems to be pushing that but me is sketchy, the fact also that 7 people are on SPF isn’t a good sign at all.

I’ll be back near end of day tomorrow and might do an iso or two, but we’ll see.

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:09 pm MAc told Lucy their thing was BS then went to bed and came back and was convinced otherwise, what game are you reading????

Okay and? That’s not a natural progression, it’s just as likely to be laying cover for a misvote via TMI.

I don’t see why you’re suddenly so convinced it’s one over the other.

But end of the day I’m still 100% of the mind set that we should vote for another likely mafia member and table this. We flip a different mafia member numbers are still reduced everyone can have time to investigate this further and use cards to our advantage.

Also Lucy still can’t name a full mafia team which RIGHT NOW is vital, shit everyone should be finding 5 players and then looking at the voting breakdowns since like I keep saying there’s no way every townie is on SPF

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:07 pm FTR I still would believe Mac is town over SPF just based on how they treated the mechanical info.

I think it’s more natural for a townie to pushback and remain against it if they’re civ and have a civ read on the other mech player than to flip and think they’re mafia especially with how quickly Mac did so.

Mafia are the only ones to have anything to gain by blindly following Lucy which is what they’re doing.

Now the flip side is Sean NKA points to SPF more than Mac as an option.

We have to assume mafia wasn’t aware of what Lucy would do so SPF/Mac would both be locked town.

This is a negative in the SPF column

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:00 pm mac u have 10 posts left, post less thank you

also agree on sig most likely gf

tutuu might be town bc of this team composition

Again showing you aren’t paying attention and you’re acting with biases here. You’ve been gunning for me long before you “solved” it down to 50% mainly since I’ve been pushing back against you having total control.

Why are you suddenly so chill with Mac who in your mind could be no shit is very likely mafia?

I can tell you why, it’s since he’s stroking your ego and coming around to your way of thinking while SPF isn’t

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:55 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:49 pm Voters: tutuu, lucy, DrWilgy, Creature, Jackofhearts2005, Bereft, Porscha

Do we really REALLY believe every single town member is voting as a block right now I mean come on.

I’m 100% convinced SPF isn’t mafia and IF we believe there’s mafia between these two it has to be Mac.
I can't be mafia from your perspective with how I played eod yesterday and have shielded you. Way to out.

First don’t tell me what my perspective is. It changes duh

Second if Creature isn’t mafia or if you had a way to stop the wagon it makes your defense of me meaningless

Third the fact you’re so quick to call me mafia looks very scummy

Fourth The fact you seem to be ignoring the voting breakdown and the number of votes on SPF makes no sense. The entire mafia team (based off your prior reads) are on her wagon and you’re in game “slowly” coming around to it. It just doesn’t make any sense for a civ mac to do this.

Their are mafia on SPF wagon it’s that simple and there’s no reason why mafia would be voting for their own right now with this breakdown. It also makes ZERO sense that there we had either You or SPF then the thread was flooded with people who only seemed to want to go for SPF. This has to be mafia driven otherwise it makes no sense why it was just decided she’d be the vote vs you.

Also nobody answered my question about who the team is.

We’ve got 1-3 players and that’s it. @lucy who are the five? How do you feel that 7 people are following you right now and that Jack went from being against just following you randomly to treating it like gods word?

Voters: tutuu, lucy, DrWilgy, Creature, Jackofhearts2005, Bereft, Porscha

Do we really REALLY believe every single town member is voting as a block right now I mean come on.

I’m 100% convinced SPF isn’t mafia and IF we believe there’s mafia between these two it has to be Mac.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:56 pm I hope EOD is four minutes from now. I can't stand one more day blankly staring at this thread.

It’s tomorrow

@falcon45ca cate to catch up here real fast and give me the following.

1. Thoughts on Mac/SPF

2. Thoughts of wagon breakdown

3. Who the mafia team is

4. What’s the deal with creature

@MacDougall are you now under the opinion that SPF is mafia?

Also what changed your thoughts from like Day 3 or 4 when you suspected them to town reading them

Also I’m very annoyed that we have two options between SPF and Mac since if Mac is mafia he can “develop” his read of SPF leading him to jump ship to them they’re actually civ we misvote and then Mac can leverage that to ignore Lucy and we go for someone else who’s a civ.

Really today we should table this SPF/Mac thing and find a third mafia member to pursue since there’s too many unknowns right now and like I said Wagon wise the vote breakdown here makes no sense

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:42 pm [VOTE: creature] aubergine

awful game

Why did you switch off tuutuu? Why do you think Creatuee is a better wagon

If we say one of Mac or SPF is mafia, then let’s for shits and giggles assume Porsche is zealot that’s 2 mafia members.

Who are the other 3? I know I’m not mafia, I’m confident Mac isn’t mafia. So that means the second counter wagon which is tuutuu only has 2 mafia on it. So again where are the other 3?

Okay let’s say Creature is mafia (maybe zealot) then what Sabie and Dennis? Both of whom are voting off wagon atm when they’ve got a great argument to vote on wagon against Lucy with the battle lines.

I guess we do have 24 hours mafia could be playing the game here by waiting until the last second, but that’s where my pause is.

I also don’t trust Jack or tuutuu at all. That’s the orher pause

My only issue right now (still mid reread) is that the wagonenomics don’t make sense atm.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:20 pm @sig there are worlds where you are town because of porscha's vote, i'd like you to reread all of d5 again but more closely, you will not be voting tutuu if you do

and if you are town then porscha is outed mafia from your point of view

I’ll give it or attempt to give it a reread + iso Mac but why aren’t we voting for creature if he was saved?

I’ve got an issue with the NK argument since we’ve got so little data there.

Rondo was a universal town read so that one makes sense

Neon was an accident sk that makes sense

Sean I’ll reread his last phase and see what the legacy was there but he was also a town read by almost everyone.

Both of those kills makes sense especially with the number of protective cards floating around.

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:07 pm To summarize.

The No Hang means someone played the Judgement card that they received the night before the hang.

The person who received the Judgement card is within Mac/SPF/ ????

And ??? Better be Seanzie or smth otherwise I will flip out.

So since a Judgement card was used, one of Mac/SPF/??? played it.

Or he’s the zealot yes.

But, in my mind this isn’t a solid red check on anyone until we resolve creature. Macs last post was saying he thought it was T/T that could’ve been a civ move or it couldn’t have been idk.

My thing is why are we going with a maybe 50/50 shot, and assuming the mech is correct when it isn’t the same as a solid red check? Especially if we’re saying creature was saved by mafia, but he isn’t mafia? The world where mafia does that is slim and makes very little sense

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:00 pm Ok so >=1 in Mac/SPF or smtg

and we’re assuming they played the card for him and In doing so they’re mafia?

I just don’t get how out of a new pov of five (maybe) we’re deciding to go with SPF/Mac and not another wolfy player to at least confirm Lucy is correct.

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:42 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:34 pm Lucy’s third target was Seanzie. Seanzie died and flipped vanilla town.

Judgement played by Seanzie/SPF/Mac. Ergo, at least one wolf in SPF/Mac.
@Bereft why did you not consider this theoretically possible scenario?
Its obviously theoretically possible that one of Mac and SPF played the judgement card that saved Creature. Its rather obvious that you picked Mac/SPF/prolly Seanzie because theyre now conftown but werent previously. The issue is that I dont care because I think Mac and SPF are town and the math on that judgement card being the only judgement card in play is horrible.

If this is accurate why not vote for creature this phase then?

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:12 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:12 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:04 pm @Dennis i was just mentally preparing a message for you to vote spf and whether or not you understood mechanics

thankfully you do understand mechanics

however if we mislynch here we lose

and 2 mechanically confirmed mafia currently on tutuu which is the part that spews her town for me

nothing else to say to you that rereading d5 can’t show you

besides the important fact tutuu has pointed out, mafia need 1 town to vote with them and town loses
We have one more phase if we misvote here.
zealot exists making it a loss, mafia has stacked on tutuu

That’s only if we accidentally hit the zealot next phase if we vote out a mafia member who isn’t zealot we’re fine

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:16 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:07 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:57 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:22 am @staypositivefriend please persuade me that Creature is not zealot. I don't want to chop him again and it not work.
I think it would be very hard for us to be misled into thinking that zealot in Sig/Porscha is not good info and you should reread if you didnt know this.
My understanding was that sig/porscha is the one who played the card that stopped the chop. I could have forgotten already.
I give up at this point. No and no.

This is why all these “mech” talk is pointless nobody even knows what the mech is and is just claiming other people are bad for said mech

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:04 pm @Dennis i was just mentally preparing a message for you to vote spf and whether or not you understood mechanics

thankfully you do understand mechanics

however if we mislynch here we lose

and 2 mechanically confirmed mafia currently on tutuu which is the part that spews her town for me

nothing else to say to you that rereading d5 can’t show you

besides the important fact tutuu has pointed out, mafia need 1 town to vote with them and town loses

We have one more phase if we misvote here.

And it’s not my fault at all of town looses

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:16 am @falcon45ca
@Sabiplz
@staypositivefriend
@Bereft
@sig
@Porscha

If any of you are intending to vote for myself or SPF today and sheep Lucy please let me know because I'm not going to try very hard if the game is already over.

If the 7 of us can coalesce and vote together on a mafia that'd be great.

Yea I’m down.

I’ll follow on by saying if Mac is mafia he’s got an entirely new set of meta than he’s had for like the 3+ years we’ve played together

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:33 am Lucy and mac are there *any* players who you both could agree to on a flip today. As long as it isnt game losing, even if it isnt even ideal? Like maybe a shift away from the big 4 focus could be useful right now

Anyway goodnight

Nope this isn’t the road to go down since we’re two votes away from this being end game

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:52 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:22 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:20 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:41 pm i'd like to repeat that creature was not zealot

and that every town has to vote with me in my order, or we lose, and mafia knows i know the landmines
Is there a losing order?
This is why following her makes no sense.

There’s no loosing order and she isn’t even confident on her reads.

I’ve gone from solid mafia to maybe to solid to 50%. That isn’t someone we should be following at this point in the games
Don't worry you're still a solid mafia for me

No you

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:23 pm sabi/sig/mac/spf/x

Every phase and shit even in this phase you’ve switched your mafia team around and demanded people vote your way. Maybe that worked on your home site or on MU, but like you aren’t going to get good results here using that strategy.

If anything you’re laying the PERFECT cover for mafia right now to just blindly vote, take no blame, and move on. Which is exactly what happened from you and TuuTuu being so gung oh to follow Allison and causing the roxy flip.

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:23 pm Sig, we get it, you're zealot.

Nah I wish

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:20 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:41 pm i'd like to repeat that creature was not zealot

and that every town has to vote with me in my order, or we lose, and mafia knows i know the landmines
Is there a losing order?

This is why following her makes no sense.

There’s no loosing order and she isn’t even confident on her reads.

I’ve gone from solid mafia to maybe to solid to 50%. That isn’t someone we should be following at this point in the games

I 100% think mafia is spreading chaos and have been this entire game. I think they’ve been using Lucy/Allison posts to assist in that and I think since this day has started it’s clear people are just flooding the thread with nonesense

Which don’t get me wrong it’s super fun I’m enjoying it buuuuut it isn’t helpful.

Tuutuu
Wilgy
Jack
Creature
Sabie?/bereft

These are the 5

Mac making it to end game or this far is meaningless when he hasn’t caught a single mafia member and isn’t super engaged + as sabie pointed out (major civ points there) we haven’t had many planned night kills we’ve got multiple protection and a suicide bomber card as well. It makes sense for mafia to target civ people who aren’t going to get protected.

13 total so 8 to 5 right now with 1 survivor style civ.

Mis vote + night lile is 6 to 5

We’ve got two phases left

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:12 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia
Wait are we this close to losing?

If you’re town yes if you’re mafia no

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:30 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:29 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:28 pm Lucy didn't you say your powers didn't work or an I misremembering
there's no way you're town after saying this, thanks for the wolf claim

however no, i was able to use my ability on every night
Not wolf but thanks for trying. I'm trying to get clarity of what's going on

This cracked me up

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:44 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:30 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia
Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?
mac->spf->creature->one in porscha/sig->x
well thanks for giving me a reason to ignore everything you say today

i dont care that youre town, youre playing badly if you are letting mechanics get in the way of basic scumhunting. you should know that i'm not mafia and i doubt that mac is mafia either

I’ve got more thoughts on this but imma wait for the 24 hour mark and to see Macs post

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:43 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:40 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:37 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:23 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:12 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:11 pm Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?
yes, there's this card called judgement
I see. This would do as well.

So Creature was either Absolved or is Zealot.

Seanzie flipping T seems to indicate that they were likely knowing to the Creature != Zealot then.
How would seanzie know that though
Perhaps Death or the Chariot? Idk, mechanics aren't my strong suit.

The only mechanic that could’ve spared creature is judgment or whatever the card is.

If Sean was 100% set that Creature was zealot I bet he had that said card.

Maybe he didn’t but occum razor here says that Creature is the Zealot.

This is the most likely scenario. I was a failed counter wagon that the wolves abandoned when the steam started to run out so they jumped back onto creature who’s the zealot since it resulted in no flips
Sean said he'd bet his life the Creature wasn't the Zealot yesterday.

Did I miss something or is this just nonsense?

Oh I thought he bet his life he was oops.

Well the rest of my point still stands

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:42 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:41 pm i'd like to repeat that i believe creature was not zealot

and that every town has to vote with me in my order, or we lose, and mafia knows i know the landmines
fixed

If you think he’s not the zealot but mafia why aren’t we getting him out today?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:39 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:36 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:33 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:31 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia
I’m not listening to you sorry.
Good 'why' there mate.
I explained in the follow on post but have very clearly sinfe d1 stacked out the IC has no more say than anyone else.

The fact you’re so willingly to blindly follow them is way outside your town meta
Alright, so Oracle can claim.

No one has CC'd legitimately.

Either the Oracle is trolling or Lucy is trolling, but until there's a legitimate CC, I have no reason to think Lucy would take over the game for no discernable reason. I'd say this is the heaviest the hand has been and that means something.

The oracle did claim?

I’m not saying she isn’t the oracle I’m saying there’s no reason to listen to her.

Also have you been paying attention? She’s tried to take over the game since day 1. The majority of the player base minus the wolfy players are ignoring her.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:37 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:23 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:12 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:11 pm Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?
yes, there's this card called judgement
I see. This would do as well.

So Creature was either Absolved or is Zealot.

Seanzie flipping T seems to indicate that they were likely knowing to the Creature != Zealot then.
How would seanzie know that though
Perhaps Death or the Chariot? Idk, mechanics aren't my strong suit.

The only mechanic that could’ve spared creature is judgment or whatever the card is.

If Sean was 100% set that Creature was zealot I bet he had that said card.

Maybe he didn’t but occum razor here says that Creature is the Zealot.

This is the most likely scenario. I was a failed counter wagon that the wolves abandoned when the steam started to run out so they jumped back onto creature who’s the zealot since it resulted in no flips

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:36 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:33 pm We’ve got to vote off tuutuu or Wilgy today both have shown themselves as being pretty clear mafia.

If Lucy names one of the three Chained player who everyone agrees is scummy I’d be willing to vote that wau, but I’m not blindly following an IC who frankly hasn’t been right all game
i'm 50% that you're mafia lol

Which you’ve thought since day 1 since I refuse you sheep you.

You’re an extremely bias IC this game and you can’t vaguely claim mech info to get everyone to do whay you want especially when we can all see what your role is

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:33 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:31 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia
I’m not listening to you sorry.
Good 'why' there mate.

I explained in the follow on post but have very clearly sinfe d1 stacked out the IC has no more say than anyone else.

The fact you’re so willingly to blindly follow them is way outside your town meta

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:30 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia
Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?
mac->spf->creature->one in porscha/sig->x

Okay now prove it.

We’ve got to vote off tuutuu or Wilgy today both have shown themselves as being pretty clear mafia.

If Lucy names one of the three Chained player who everyone agrees is scummy I’d be willing to vote that wau, but I’m not blindly following an IC who frankly hasn’t been right all game

And if you can chain together people from Mac give us someone on the down trace chain to go for first

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

I’m not listening to you sorry.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:16 pm creature being zealot does not make sense in light of seanzie's posts at the end of the day yesterday unless seanzie was going out of his way to troll, which i don't think he would do

Explain to me anyother situation where he wouldn’t be voted off

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