The Syndicate

Oh and @MacDougall told you I wasn't mafia

GG all, some thoughts.

I think the heavy mech talk kinda threw town off and at least for me the level of posts in the early/mid game made it very hard to get any sort of bearing and provided cover for mafia.
Mafia did a pretty good job at distancing from MR so kudos there.

Only major criticism would be you had mafia members drop off the face of the earth for multiple phases and not meet that 10 post count requirement and nothing was really done there which made it alot more impossible. Though Civ participation massively dropped also which could've helped so meh.

Didn't see anything that wrong with the game so great game all around, thanks for hosting, and I'm now committed to lynching Falcon every game.

Whole game would've been saved if mafia just targeted me instead of TSP rip.

I'm thinking Falcon or Ruri at this point? Not happy with either wagon. But, totally racked with indecision.

This might be really dumb, but yea I don't think voting Nanook is the move here. I'm now thinking more and more the remaining mafia is among Ruri, Posison, and maybe falcon. Depending how many there are and they're just block voting at this point.

Unsure if Made is included or just taking advantage of it.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:21 pm Self pres on [VOTE: Nook] aubergine

Why nanook over Made?

Who'd you like to go for if you could pick anyone

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:14 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:14 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:59 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:54 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:45 pm [VOTE: sig ] aubergine
Moved off falcon why?
Yeah, why?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:54 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:45 pm [VOTE: sig ] aubergine
Moved off falcon why?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:38 pm Switching to falcon to get that three way tie going on.
3 tied wagons doesnt help town
But, now were just at a two way tie. If you think Falcon is mafia wouldn't it be better to leave it and see what happens?
or 3 mafia can sit on 3 tied wagons knowing that the one tie breaker is a town getting hit.

Yea that's my other thought.

What are you thinking about ruri and Poison process of elimination really only leaves them. Assuming we believe all claims and just blind faith Tuutuu/Alison

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:00 pm
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Creature/dyachei
9
30%
Voters: MacDougall, KZA, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Michelle, Epignosis, Master Radishes, TonyStarkPrime, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin
sig
3
10%
Voters: Urist, DkKoba, Syn
tutuu
1
3%
Voters: NotAnAxehole
Syn
8
27%
Voters: sig, Poison, Ruri, Made, Scotty, DrWilgy, tutuu, dyachei

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:01 pm
Spoiler: show
112
DkKoba
11
42%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Master Radishes, DrWilgy, Made, Urist, Poison, sig, Michelle, falcon45ca, tutuu, Ruri
Made
8
31%
Voters: MacDougall, Scotty, BoKnows, DkKoba, TonyStarkPrime, EnderWiggin, 112, RondoDimBuckle
MasterRadishes
1
4%
Voters: Epignosis

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:00 pm
Spoiler: show
BoKnows
5
17%
Voters: Ruri, Poison, Michelle, Master Radishes, DrWilgy
DrWilgy
1
3%
Voters: sig
falcon45ca
1
3%
Voters: 112
MasterRadishes
8
28%
Voters: Alison, TonyStarkPrime, tutuu, EnderWiggin, Urist, Epignosis, Scotty, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
tutuu
3
10%
Voters: Made, RondoDimBuckle, falcon45ca

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:00 pm
Spoiler: show
112
9
41%
Voters: BoKnows, Ruri, Scotty, EnderWiggin, RondoDimBuckle, Poison, TonyStarkPrime, tutuu, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
BoKnows
2
9%
Voters: DrWilgy, Epignosis
Epignosis
1
5%
Voters: sig
RondoDimBuckle
2
9%
Voters: falcon45ca, Made

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:02 pm DrWilgy
2
9%
Voters: falcon45ca, Made
falcon45ca
2
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle, tutuu
TonyStarkPrime
2
9%
Voters: Ruri, DrWilgy
tutuu
7
32%
Voters: Scotty, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Poison, BoKnows, sig, Epignosis, TonyStarkPrime
[/spoiler]

So I did this really quick.

Syn/Bo flip will be very helpful hopefully it happens. But, something I've noticed Ruri and Poison voted almost in lockstep every vote and were on every non town flip expect MR. They were counterwagon there.

They're also both just active enough to be around, but not so active that they'd catch little things like certain claims ect. I also feel like the general checked outness of the thread right now could be a sign we're on the wrong path.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:59 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:54 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:45 pm [VOTE: sig ] aubergine
Moved off falcon why?
Yeah, why?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:54 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:45 pm [VOTE: sig ] aubergine
Moved off falcon why?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:38 pm Switching to falcon to get that three way tie going on.
3 tied wagons doesnt help town

But, now were just at a two way tie. If you think Falcon is mafia wouldn't it be better to leave it and see what happens?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:04 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:03 pm @DrWilgy How much do you believe Made's stump claim?

I think the crux of this day really comes down to that. I'm also a bit worried how little action is going on right now thread wise. We assume 3-4 mafia members left, even if there are only two shouldn't they be doing something.
The claim is fine. I'm more so set on thinking that MR and Made aren't teammates.

Yea i'm in the same boat, I'm looking through the votes right now. Nanook saying we shouldn't look at MR teammate compatibility is a good look given that he voted for him. I'd think mafia nanook would try to claim some credit for that and he's gotten none.

This was also my gut reacton to the tuutuu vote and didn't pursue it, but the fact the thread is dead at such a critical venture is odd

@DrWilgy How much do you believe Made's stump claim?

I think the crux of this day really comes down to that. I'm also a bit worried how little action is going on right now thread wise. We assume 3-4 mafia members left, even if there are only two shouldn't they be doing something.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:37 am
sig wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:33 am So we're basically at this point.

TSP is a solid civ read for me
Wilgy would be next followed up by Nanook.
BoKnows is going to die tonight anyway so Ignoring him.
Made claimed stump awhile back, which most people believed and he was generally read as town by alot of the town people. This makes me hesitant to flip him at this stage in the game.

Leaving ruri, Poison, Falcon, and Rondo.

If Falcon is wolf he's playing a totally different game than his normal wolf one. So if you take him out that gives us Ruri, Poison and rondo in the pool.
I am so town its not funny, The only mech town clear that didnt town read me or semi town read me after their death was Alison and Mac specifically said she would do that. Tutuu who I was pushing till the last second called me town. You can go ahead and take me out of the POE

I'm torn on this post, like being town read by lock town is great, but I've been mafia and fooled lock towns.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:45 pm [VOTE: sig ] aubergine

Moved off falcon why?

Switching to falcon to get that three way tie going on.

MRs name does imply he's the main mafia team though. So I may say we should operate under the assumption that both 112 and Epi were our 3rd parties.

Agree re w/w, I also agree with Nanook that doing interactions isn't the only/best strategy but like not much else going on.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:38 am
sig wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:33 am So we're basically at this point.

TSP is a solid civ read for me
Wilgy would be next followed up by Nanook.
BoKnows is going to die tonight anyway so Ignoring him.
Made claimed stump awhile back, which most people believed and he was generally read as town by alot of the town people. This makes me hesitant to flip him at this stage in the game.

Leaving ruri, Poison, Falcon, and Rondo.

If Falcon is wolf he's playing a totally different game than his normal wolf one. So if you take him out that gives us Ruri, Poison and rondo in the pool.
Describe his normal wolf game plz.

2 things
1. I saw TSP say it
2. Tone wise he seems different then our last game when he was mafia.

Now if everyone else thinks he's mafia I won't go to the grave defending him. Also do plan to look him over.

Also we're probably like 2 phases from loosing assuming there aren't anymore 3rd party floating around.
10 players, probably 3 mafia. Poison, Day kill, and night kill. Is 4-3 soooooooo no pressure.

I'm going to review Ruri, Poison and rondo today if I can then get back to y'all. But, I'm a bit lost don't know if its worth reading through flipped mafia posts given theyre all different alignments.

So we're basically at this point.

TSP is a solid civ read for me
Wilgy would be next followed up by Nanook.
BoKnows is going to die tonight anyway so Ignoring him.
Made claimed stump awhile back, which most people believed and he was generally read as town by alot of the town people. This makes me hesitant to flip him at this stage in the game.

Leaving ruri, Poison, Falcon, and Rondo.

If Falcon is wolf he's playing a totally different game than his normal wolf one. So if you take him out that gives us Ruri, Poison and rondo in the pool.

What’re the chances that mafia aren’t paying attention?

That would point to an inactive player. Since again the chop way doesn’t make sense based off claims

Also I’m boggled that we’ve had three non town flops and all are different colors

Also switching to Tuutuu, I'm assuming at least 3-4 mafia members left I'd rather they don't swing the vote

My other theory is we have all 3 mafia members right now, but they're gonna soup us to death tonight and win the game rip town.

I just had an amazing theory.

What if the poisoner is conditional based off people claiming? Like per claim they can poison someone or something along that line and tuutuu is the poisoner?

She seems to have been very heavily involved in the mech talks throughout the game and trying to get claims, paired with her more meh explanation of 112 I could see it.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:15 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:13 pm
Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:52 am Looked through Nanook's ISO, actually doesn't look that bad. Also looked through Falcon's ISO, could go either way.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine
Seriously? This is like the ultimate wall flower move right now and I'm not a fan.

Makes me think we need to look at Wilgy/Falcon more.

lol, fair point. BUUUUUT, I'm at least on a wagon right now.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:46 am Sig has 5 posts

These people ain't town yo

But, see really don't like these posts trying to throw shade my way.

And I think Epi just switched without making a comment?

Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:52 am Looked through Nanook's ISO, actually doesn't look that bad. Also looked through Falcon's ISO, could go either way.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Seriously? This is like the ultimate wall flower move right now and I'm not a fan.

Makes me think we need to look at Wilgy/Falcon more.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:00 pm [VOTE: sig ] aubergine

Weird trying to make a new wagon as soon as I tie it.

[VOTE: Wilghy] aubergine I'll be back/around.

The wilgy issue is if he is Civ and cop then it isn't good we knocked him out, but on that hand I don't see mafia letting a cop run around

Don't see the point in lynching Epi, I think he's being honest here didn't seem super civvie this game so that would make sense. I also don't think he'd out himself unless he was pretty sure Wilgy was mafia.

The Tuutuu thing is interesting I'll note two things.
1. I don't understand why you'd cover for a poisoner (112) as a civ. 112 already led to the death of 1 civ why wouldn't we immediately want to remove them. That's a major sticking point.

2. She keeps casually bringing up me and TSP and how we should lynch one of us. Like low key planting seeds not a fan of that.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:16 am Nook’s had a too-narrow-focused day so far.

I figured out tutuu and no one is talking about it except Rondo. Nook has avoided talking about tutuu. They’re probably partners.

Wilgy is probably just town.
Rondo is probably town or 3p.
Epi is 3p. I don’t have a reason to flip Epi today.
Poison is no longer in my top scum POE.
Ruri is on the line dancing between town and scum only because I don’t have a strong read. In no rush to lynch.

@sig and @TonyStarkPrime habe posted less than Bo recently, which is meme level lol

Get in here and help solve, fellas

dog and tap*

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:02 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:56 pm I can't see a wagon this big being correct at this stage in the game. Unless 112 was peaked? Which I haven't seen unless I missed it
Mech reasons

Poison claims she can pick three players on n3, and is told those players (collectively) are either aligned or not aligned with her. She was told they weren't aligned with her. Obviously she wasn't told which of the three wasn't.

So there's always at least one mafia between poison rondo tsp and 112

Ah okay, makes more sense then, I do recall seeing that, but didn't think we were at a group decision to just lynch and see.

I can't see a wagon this big being correct at this stage in the game. Unless 112 was peaked? Which I haven't seen unless I missed it

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:45 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:29 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:33 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:17 pm @DrWilgy whats ur peek
Checked Ruri. Failed. With my claim already out there, I expect to be perpetually messed with as long as I'm w/o protection.
wtf is going on? You, me and Ender’s roles failed…

Did anyone’s ability work today besides the damned poisoner and killer?
Any unrevealed roles fail?

Yup, so either someone is lying about action failing, they don’t have an action, or there are at least like 2 or 3 jail keeper/role blocker/untargetable people floating

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine

I'm throwing it here for now, while I look into Bo later. Though I trust the people on the wagon so its whatever on which one we go for.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:46 am Koba probably has to be town because he just wouldn't shut up.

Scotty posted a couple posts that pinged me and I remember now I was supposed to iso him for Ted and never did. Sorry Ted.

Nanook is probably town. There was no discomfort in dropping the gimmick and his case on Epi felt too nuanced to come from town. Not that Nanook isn't a good scum who can fake townie things, but that just felt like it was coming from a perspective that's harder to fake.

Epi is probably town anyway though. Dayvig thing.

I've never seen tutuu wolf and I'm wary of her because of that. She was super whiteknighty in D1 and that pinged me, but her explanations for why she townreads everyone's scumreads make sense and are takes I tend to share. Her gang of six is pretty different to eveyrone else's and scum tend to include a usual suspect or two so they have room to help push a consensus wagon if they want to. So that feels town to me. But then Mac post his 'tutuu is scary' post and now I don't know.

Any other thoughts I had whilst reading have escaped me.

First post on Epi

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:15 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:09 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:06 pm Poison we never finished our chat from earlier.

I don't remember what we were talking about but uh

What are your thoughts on people and stuff?
Hey I have you the read list!

But I think I would like to talk about epi. As far as I remember he was only concerned with koba at the beginning of this phase and slanked throughout the game. I don't have much epi meta, what do you think about him?
Probably town for raisins, though we'll see if that holds water as the game progresses.

But also I don't sense any...discomfort from him when he pops in and out of the thread. His presence is minimal (that's standard for him these days as far as I remember; he has family and work limiting his time I think) but he doesn't seem to be forcing anything. He's poked and prodded a bit in typical Epi style. I don't think he's found a bite he's willing to hang on to yet but it feels like he's searching for one. So by general comfort level vis a vis his presence level I think he's probably town.

Caveat 1: we're never in the thread a the same time and I'm only really skimming his posts upon catch up.

Caveat 2: I think I've incorrectly read Epi's alignment every time I've played with him. Last time was...Bike Mafia I think? I made a big deal about feeling good about finally reading him correctly as town and he flipped scum iirc.

So basically don't ask me, and maybe Nanook is right after all. But yeah, I'd say town here.

Second post on Epi.

MR doesn't mention him at all besides these two posts. Has 6 pages worth of content. I don't want to over split the vote today and as i catch up I'll see what this poison clear is, BUT i'm with Nanook here in that I think Epi is a viable lynch option.

Especially since he's hinted at 2 roles and either the mafia is hella incompetent or blind in role hunting since if I picked up on it so should they.

And Michelle died from being poisoned?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:46 pm Wilgy and rondo are both mafia

Damn who do i vote for

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

I'm catching up now but care to summarize?

I did see Wilgy claimed cop I believe, if he did I don't see why he'd still be alive.

I'm about 75% sure Epi is mafia, but have no evidence to back it up. Considering the poison role. We had someone targeted N1 and N3, I'm thinking this could be a 3rd Party role?

KP wise town has Desperado, no Night Vig has been used meaning they're either dead or it isn't a thing. I don't think it's unreasonable to think the day vig was a mafia power and Epi is playing it up to be civ cleared.

Great job on the Radish thing, where did the Wilgy red check go?

Also with poison since i see he was/is in the POE didn't we have some sort of info about him from Koba?

Poison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:59 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:18 am OH yeah he had that Sig/TSP thing going on.
yeah @sig just come here and confirm/deny already tbh

You want me to participate? What do you think I am an active player or something

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:37 am ok so 1 confirmed non-town in tsp-112-rondo-poison

uhh simplest asnwer is just 112

spicy answer is rondo + wilgy (unless rondo 3p then wilgy could be town)

@sig do u have mech knowledge that tsp is town?

But, yes I have mech knowledge that TSP is town.

Also if we're throwing out actions I targeted Scotty and also failed. So I'm assuming there's some sort of role block in play?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:39 am Finally caught up. Jeez.

So my dumb ass targeted mac last night and my action failed and up until this morning I didn’t realize why.

You're not the first person to do that dw.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:55 pm It doesn't matter, nobody is gonna want to kill him and then we're gonna get to endgame and either people will collectively shrug and kill epi then pat themselves on the back as if they're geniuses and he was hard to catch...or they won't kill him and say in post how it was impossible to catch him

Nah see this is where I in end game can be like, yup y'all are dumb I called it listen to me next game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:55 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:52 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:51 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:49 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:41 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:40 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:39 pm
Ok.

I don't think you would as scum dayvig, so.
This is a laughably bad take
Axe is negative util town.

Even if you disagree with me on that, Epi could have easily shot claimed PR, town IC, town leader, whatever, with zero accountability. Why use it on Axe halfway through D1?
He doesn't like axe and axe threatened him with a night shot
You are saying Epi is scum dayvig who shot Axe for threatening to shoot him?
As someone who's played alot with Epi, I could totally see scum or civ epi day vigging.
I did it because it was hilarious.

Exactly lol assuming "you did it"

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:53 pm I dunno, even assuming the scum had zero ways to stop an Axe vig shot AND Epi believed the threat... it's still giving up an incredibly valuable resource over a baseless threat.

I wouldn't flip Epi over it, but he'd be more in my like null/middle pile. Not mech cleared.

Also if we believe Axe's claim that he was night vig that's alot of townie KP.

I'm gonna assume
Poisoner = mafia/3rd party

Desperado: known town
Day vig: ???
Axe night vig (maybe): Town

The issue with this is we're getting down a few rabbit holes. So it isn't something I'd pursue at this time, but I'd keep it in the back of my mind.

Also Epi has breadcrumbed like 2 other roles already. So I'm not a lock on this day vig thing

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:51 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:49 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:41 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:40 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:39 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:37 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:20 pm Did you dayvig Axe?
I did. Good times.
Ok.

I don't think you would as scum dayvig, so.
This is a laughably bad take
Axe is negative util town.

Even if you disagree with me on that, Epi could have easily shot claimed PR, town IC, town leader, whatever, with zero accountability. Why use it on Axe halfway through D1?
He doesn't like axe and axe threatened him with a night shot
You are saying Epi is scum dayvig who shot Axe for threatening to shoot him?

As someone who's played alot with Epi, I could totally see scum or civ epi day vigging.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:58 pm What do you all think of the idea of voting out Made to see what his alignment is and then if he flips red we vote out whoever switched votes to Koba last minute?

I’m down, unless we get a red check

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