The Syndicate

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:05 pm I think I'm supposed to read tutuu's push on me and in general their entire behavior today as just outing as powerwolf.

Ehem, Seanzie.

I at minimum trust Kate over tutuu. When I worldbuild off of tutuu mafia however, I just get most of the obvious suspects. I don't actually think Dennis/Falcon/Porscha/Seanzie are wolfing with tutuu here. I however, do not think I'm right about all the obvious suspects being scum however because thats just too obvious.

I don't trust sig.
I don't trust Wilgy.

I don't trust Jack.
I don't trust Creature.

And I'm mostly at a loss as to how go about finding a villager in these 4 if any.

I find myself in agreement with your trusts here (except the obvious).

Tutuu being a wolf would invalidate Sig being a wolf tho I think.

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:07 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:05 pm Here's the dynamic I've observed.

Creature + Sig is a possible team pairing. Porscha chiming in on me like 3 times after I started going after Sig is noticable but I'm not ready to call it team indicative at this moment. Bereft can fit on this team.

The other end there's a world where it's Jack and Tutuu. The entire dynamic in Jack Tutuu is just so strange to me. Bereft doesn't fit on this team. Dennis doesn't fit on this team.

Does SPF make sense on either of these possibilities? Hell if I know, but I think it's worth sorting so I raise it as a potential discussion point.

I'm pairing both of those worlds. Is there an issue with that?

See above. Sig/Tutuu is not W/W.

Creature/Tutuu also unlikely W/W, but I'm not as confident in that call.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:10 pm @DrWilgy

You’re the only player voting Bereft that I think has room to be a townie.

Please vote Creature or Tutuu. We’re forcing w/w wagons today. Thanks!

Eh, I'd rather it be Sig/Tutuu for reasons I've stated above.

I could swap off Bereft for Sig I think. Maybe SPF but idk if I'd move for anything else.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:10 pm @DrWilgy

You’re the only player voting Bereft that I think has room to be a townie.

Please vote Creature or Tutuu. We’re forcing w/w wagons today. Thanks!

@DrWilgy no dont do it keep it steady

dude bereft is like jeff bezos. jack is like his executive PR guy. and we're amazon warehouse workers. i dunno about u wilgy but im tired of having to piss my pants every day

I too piss my pants.

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:13 pm I think Bereft/Lucy/Mac/Porscha is always town and even after sacrificing so many townreads I still don't want to get rid of these.

Then among the rest of the players, the following are not partnered:

Dennis Sig
Seanzie staypositivefriend
DrWilgy falcon45ca
Kate tutuu

The remaining players are Jack and Creature.

Try to make a team of five wolves here. You end up just picking one form each pair like I said. The alternative is dumping Jack and Creature together.

This line of thinking is very familiar and I find myself finally agreeing with you to the point of being AI.

Going back to [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:14 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:09 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:04 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:55 pm SPF, what’s your current solve? Preferably without me in it.

bereft mac lucy town

creature/sabi/jack/tutuu contains 2-4 mafia

wilgy/falcon contains 0-1 mafia

sig/porscha/dennis contains 0-1 mafia

this might be a confusing readslist but sometimes breaking the game into tiers like this is helpful for me

Is Falcon just duping me then?

This whole Wilgy Falcon dynamic that is bothering several people doesn't make sense. Could it not we have a good read on each other?

What arguments have been made to the point of either of us being wrong or deceitful in our reads on e/o?

"sig/porscha/dennis contains 0-1 mafia" doesn't feel like a genuine take either.

your dynamic only bothers me in the sense that you and falcon are the two players who i have individually had the most trouble getting reads on in this game, and i think that both of your playstyles are uniquely difficult for me to read. i do not think you are both mafia, and i think it is possible that we live in a world where you are T v T, which is why i put you two into a separate tier and why i said that you two might contain zero mfia

can you explain to me why "sig/porscha/dennis contains 0-1 mafia" doesn't sound like a real read to you>? i'm saying that because i think porscha is likely to be town for meta reasons and i think dennis is likely to be town because i dont believe someone playing their 3rd game as mafia would be able to wolf this well and i thnk sig has a decent chance of being town because of the feeling that the way he treated roxy doesn't come from a position of TMI (which is, admittedly, my weakest read)

but i dont think im correct about all of those, so my approximation is that there's probably one wolf in that pool of 3

I don't mean to sound rude in this statement, but recognize the nature of what I am about to ask. Have you legitimately tried to read my slot? Do you find yourself giving up on doing so? I only ask because other players I've seen to directly quote and interact with me more often.

Falcon and I aren't even a T v T thing. Falcon and I seem to have formed consistent reads on e/o as town, there's no headbutting going on there.

The 0-1 on those three is what I doubt. I feel that your statement is very noncommittal but with the further discussion I can believe abit more. For example... If it's 0-1 there instead of just 1, that opens the possibility of 0... In which case idk dood are we just playing a 4 wolf game or something in your head?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:15 pm i dont make w/w sense with anyone but jack and wilgy

haters will hate on this simple fact

I find this to be false.

The W reads you send that are later reds such as Porscha are where I'd expect you to hid a teammate.

Maybe there's even one in SPF or Seanzie. Idk.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:21 pm [VOTE: spf] aubergine

Details for me brother. Plz. I feel that you've dropped off but we're my anchor townie.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:27 pm @Seanzie
@staypositivefriend
@DrWilgy
@falcon45ca

Ya’ll see this, right?

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:32 pm I swear to God that a rule should be made against making w/w speculation until at least one wolf has flipped. That's just not useful and often wrong.

This is just false and discourages discussion.

[VOTE: creature ] aubergine

Like...

I get Jack's point.

I'm just far too afraid to be wrong on misreading Tutuu I think.

If we have more phases, I'd rather be wrong on the Creature/SIG wagons then explore Tutuu after.

But I get Jack's point and am seeing townish Jack out of this now.

Both Bereft and Jack may be playing me this round, but if so they are doing a good job of it.

Like they were both wolf leans before the discussion this day, but alot of what they are saying and pointing out I just kinda agree with...

Should probably just listen to my gut and restore them to town leans in my head.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:37 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:33 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:32 pm I swear to God that a rule should be made against making w/w speculation until at least one wolf has flipped. That's just not useful and often wrong.

This is just false and discourages discussion.

[VOTE: creature ] aubergine

I'm literally being paired with sig and Jack for ??? reasons

I feel like it's brashly being used to push mislynches without any good reason

It's not useful if there's no wolf flip and would be better to just find a wolf first and only then make associations

Good thing I think you are a wolf independently of anyone else at the same time can draw team conclusions eh?

So what's your current world view @Creature? Hit me up dood.

I think I've slimmed down the "first wolf in X poe" to Creature, Sig, Tutuu, Porscha.

Jacks towny
Bereft is towny
Dennis is towny
Falcon is towny
Sabi is towny
Mac is towny

SPF and Seanzie I won't solve without a more absolute Poe.

I recognize that my towny calls are likely to at least contain 1 incorrect read. Mostly deterministic upon Tutuu's alignment.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:53 pm Getting massively tilted at my townreads being here, me making a point and then they all disappear without addressing it except Bereft.

My brother, I do believe I've elaborated that I see what you are saying but am afraid to be wrong. What is your opinion here? Am I incorrect to pursue more data on Tutuu by desiring a solve on Sig/Creature?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:08 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:53 pm Getting massively tilted at my townreads being here, me making a point and then they all disappear without addressing it except Bereft.

My brother, I do believe I've elaborated that I see what you are saying but am afraid to be wrong. What is your opinion here? Am I incorrect to pursue more data on Tutuu by desiring a solve on Sig/Creature?

Kinda? Maybe?

Like…I appreciate you saying you see it but I feel like it’s gotten more blatant.

Also, didn’t we switch from
Jack: Creature or Tutuu
Wilgy: Tutuu or Sig
To
Jack: Tutuu or Creature
Wilgy: Creature or Sig

How did that happen right when I started pointing out Tutuu being wolfy?

Like I can’t think of wolf motivation for that switch, especially if Creature and Tutuu are both wolves anyway but ya know

So, when I said this, it was mainly due to Tutuu/Sig not being aligned. Idk if I expressed properly that this doesn't make me sure of a dif check, but I'm growing more confident in it slowly.

My perspective on Creature/Sig being a team and both wolves hasn't really changed. I don't THINK that I'm wrong on them, but that being the case invalidates the Tutuu suspicion.

I recognize that I may be wrong, and Tutuu may be the wolf, but even with what Tutuu is doing now (which I think justifies your position), I am not good enough at reading the Tutuu without associative data.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:34 pm Why are Tutuu and Sig not aligned though?

To be in a wolf of where Tutuu is mafia and Sig and you are both town, there needs to be a wolf in my 6 top townreads.

Which isn’t impossible but maybe unlikely? Idk.

Because I don't think W Tutuu puts their teammate directly behind the easy yeet in this following quote:

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:23 am Final post for this day phase i jave work & wanna go 2 bed early

My legacy:

I think ROXY and SIG are outed and consensus mafia in anti-spewing

I think CREATURE, FALCON, PORSCHA are the final 3 mafia, all have various degrees of townreads on them (ive cased everyone earlier in d3)

JACK is my least confident townread, if im wrong earlier, get JACK

WILGY im more confident in townreading but his standing with everyone isnt good. If im wrong earlier, get WILGY but i much rather u kill in order

Everyone else i believe is considered consesus town / towncore

ROXY > SIG > CREATURE > FALCON > PORSCHA > JACK > WILGY is my preferred order of chops if i was all powerful and could control the chop from the grave

If town gets the doctor card tonight pls consider using it on me

Dont flashwagon anyone. ROXY is in anti spewing. Dont throw the game

Good luck and godspeed

P.S.: dont trust CREATURE'S bullshit that he cant be mafia with SIG and ROXY. Their "scumreads" on each other were terrible, awkward and are what made me think theyre mafia in the first place. Distancing is a concept thats well known to all of us

Also I don't think Sig moves to the Tutuu wagon last cycle if they were aligned.

While Tutuu was unlikely to go over, I think Sig would rather just avoid potential bussing if unneeded. This is exactly why Sig voting Tutuu over Creature makes no sense given the context that Sig though Roxy was a wiff.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:33 pm Why is Jack being in poe but people reluctant to voting there?

there are 4 other wolves and the PoE is still large? Seems like a silly statement my friend.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:35 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:33 pm Why is Jack being in poe but people reluctant to voting there?

Because I’m an unyeetable townie and I’m oh so charming.

Please read my recent exchanges with Tutuu and give me your thoughts.

I am struggling to see both of your pov in that argument.

he is quite charming.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:12 pm @staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature

This is my gth solve.

@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:12 pm @staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature

This is my gth solve.

@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?

Go for it.

kk, so for both you and @Jackofhearts2005 how in the hell am I aligned with both sig and creature? Seems lazy.

Also, lol Mac doesn't have a real read on me regardless of his own alignment.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:30 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:27 pm Also, lol Mac doesn't have a real read on me regardless of his own alignment.

You are my top scum. I have zero agreement with any of your solve. I don't buy anything you are saying any time you actually attempt to solve. You townread my scumreads for no reason and are trying to solve using abstract world concepts instead of pointing out what is simply suspicious.

So no. Spare me.

k, and just go ahead and keep calling me scum while not discussing with me those concepts you call abstract. By all means go for it. You have shown 0 incentive to actually engage with me and my world views, but somehow oppose them so much that I must be wolf.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:32 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:12 pm @staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature

This is my gth solve.

@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?

Go for it.

kk, so for both you and @Jackofhearts2005 how in the hell am I aligned with both sig and creature? Seems lazy.

Instead of making me figure out why I'm supposed to disassociate you why don't you give me the evidence to the contrary in an accessible format instead of just being snarky over some micro interaction I might have missed?

Literally read what I've posted today. How can I be your top scum read if you can't even do that?

I have quite literally just been wanting Sig/Creature to go over today on the concept 1. most likely wolf. 2. They help me find Tutuu on flip.

Have my posts really been that hard to decipher?

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:38 pm Sir, bussing exists.

kk, and what indicates that this is a bus?

What part of me even pushing for creature yesterday indicates that it's a bus? You can't just call something a bus without actually doing the legwork to provide reason. If it was as easy as that town cred wouldn't be a concept.

@MacDougall, I do not wish to add to your distress about this game by pointing out what I did.

You are either burnt town, which I can understand makes it more difficult, OR you are AtEfull wolf. The way you are treating my slot can be reflective of either, and I'd love to argue worldviews that help us find scum.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:40 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:38 pm Sir, bussing exists.

kk, and what indicates that this is a bus?

What part of me even pushing for creature yesterday indicates that it's a bus? You can't just call something a bus without actually doing the legwork to provide reason. If it was as easy as that town cred wouldn't be a concept.

Like, it's this shorthand non-response that lacks meaning that immediately wants me to go back to putting you in a wolf lean. I still think our worldviews are similar though so this gut reaction may be wrong.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:43 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:12 pm @staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature

This is my gth solve.

@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?

Go for it.

kk, so for both you and @Jackofhearts2005 how in the hell am I aligned with both sig and creature? Seems lazy.

The argument goes like this.

Tutuu has a wolf pov. Creature is not doing anything town Creature would do. Wolves.

Sabi’s evaluation of my evaluation of Tutuu was the most noncommittal wolfy nonsense. Wolf.

Wilgy using bad arguments to say Sig/Tutuu are not both wolves. Ergo, Wilgy and Sig also wolves.

Am I certain it’s Tutuu/Wilgy/Creature/Sabi/Sig? No.
Is that my best guess at this moment? Yes.
A townie incorrectly put in that solve can and should try to make their way out of it.

Idk about Tutuu being a wolf PoV. I understand your perspective on it, but I don't fully agree to the read.

I agree with the Creature read.

Sabi I still think has town merit for Kate's posting, but at this point I do not desire to bring Sabi into lylo.

How are my arguments bad? I don't this Sig would feel the need to place a vote on a teammate where 1. it's not needed, 2. unlikely to give them any credit. It doesn't make sense for Sig, in the moment of the vote, given the context, to bind themselves to a Tutuu vote.

Tutuu, isn't going to place their teammate in the 2nd slot of their PoE if that slot is not heated. Tutuu would take the bus VERY hard or not at all.

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:40 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:38 pm Sir, bussing exists.

kk, and what indicates that this is a bus?

What part of me even pushing for creature yesterday indicates that it's a bus? You can't just call something a bus without actually doing the legwork to provide reason. If it was as easy as that town cred wouldn't be a concept.

Sir, if you're not going to justify that its not a bus, then anyone is free to consider that you and creature is a possible world, and they may even justify that its a likely world by saying POE there's no other wolves for you to not buss anyway.

Your entire argument is just barely restrained OMGuS rn. If you really believe Sig/tutuu is non w/w then get me to 5 wolves please. Show me how you're going to achieve this.

I don't care about any disassociations unless I'm >90 percent confident on them otherwise there's no point for me in worldbuilding.

I think there's more than enough chains of thinking to build associative reads. I'm almost impressed by the lack of dif check and policy arguments this day cycle.

how am I, to justify what is and isn't a bus, of my OWN thinking. That doesn't even make sense? Should I link you to my ISO?

Restrained omgus yes, but also you keep doing things that I feel are inherently anti-town when building your read on me.

Sig w world:
Sig
Creature
Porscha
Bereft/Jack
SPF/Seanzie

The wolf team for Tutuu is alot more fickle which is why I think to solve in Sig/Creature land:

Tutuu w world:
Tutuu
Seanzie/Mac
Porscha?
Sabi
Creature/SPF?

Simply put, I'd need to be wrong on my Sabi read and potentially wrong in Seanzie/Mac for Tutuu to be a thing. Hell, Mac probably doesn't make sense because of the events of last cycle, but I'd need to reassess the gamestate upon Tutuu flipping W.

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:58 pm How in the flying saucers are you Sig and tutuu all town.

Explain to me.
Explain.

No it literally does not make sense.
Here let me give you a sample of this world.

So first we assume Jack is scum. Then lets add Sabi.
Then mmm, well ooh how about Dennis.
Then okay so we need at least one in Seanzie and SPF, and then ooh one in Falcon and Porscha.

IDK abt you guys but Im not getting to Jack/Sabi/Seanzie/Falcon worlds.

I don't think that Sig and Tutuu are both town though?

I don't think this world can exist in this gamestate.

Tutuu being town would open Jack wolf more I agree. Sabi can effectively fit in most slots if I'm wrong about the Kate spew (and this is a concerning thought).

I really don't think Falcon makes sense as W still.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:04 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:32 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:18 pm

This is my gth solve.

@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?

Go for it.

kk, so for both you and @Jackofhearts2005 how in the hell am I aligned with both sig and creature? Seems lazy.

Instead of making me figure out why I'm supposed to disassociate you why don't you give me the evidence to the contrary in an accessible format instead of just being snarky over some micro interaction I might have missed?

Literally read what I've posted today. How can I be your top scum read if you can't even do that?

I clearly have done that. Your arguments have been repeatedly of this nature. Just posturing bad faith. Since day 0.

You don't have to be with those 2 players to be mafia. You're not a scumread of mine because they are.

How so? I think a player to have read me today would realize I can't be aligned with Sig/Creature. Yes, because I find that arguments for me being wolf are for the most part bad OR they are a gut read that for some reason no one will just call a gut read. Summarizing my play this game as entirely bad faith posturing is also weak, I openly invite you to contest my world views and you don't.

Ok, so, instead of calling it a solve, call it a PoE? A solve would indicate you believe that to be the team of 5, but your team of 5 has what I think to be clear contradictions.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 10:46 pm I should prob stay away from this game.

I veto the tutuu wagon.

I prob won't oppose the sig wagon as much.

I'm doing Dennis mostly for tutuu and because I agree that he seems to be left off the hook too easily.

I'll give Sabi space for now.

Also I would like to know where you all stand on falcon.

Are you finally flailing? idk, probably biased but seems like anti-spew to me boss. I don't find any reason behind the content you've been flinging at the wall this cycle now that the heat is up. That doesn't feel good.

Seanzie put Creature in the lead.

Tutuu tied it back to Sig.

I too will review vote count
D1

fingersplints: 8
Alison
Baudib1
Bereft
lucy
MacDougall
RondoDimBuckle
staypositivefriend
tutuu

Alison: 6
falcon45ca
fingersplints
Jackofhearts2005
Neon
Roxy
sig

Baudib1: 2
DrWilgy
Seanzie

Roxy: 2
Creature
Dennis

Dennis : 1
Kate

Missed the Vote: 1
Porscha

D2

Alison: 6
falcon45ca
Neon
Jackofhearts2005
tutuu
sig
Dennis

Baudib1: 1
Seanzie

Roxy: 4
Creature
Baudib1
lucy
Alison

staypositivefriend: 2
MacDougall
staypositivefriend

D3

Creature: 3
Sabiplz, DrWilgy, falcon45ca

Dennis: 1
Roxy

DrWilgy: 1
Baudib1

Roxy: 7
Porscha, Jackofhearts2005, Dennis, tutuu, Seanzie, lucy, Creature

staypositivefriend: 2
staypositivefriend, RondoDimBuckle

tutuu: 3
MacDougall, Bereft, sig

So immediately Mac's argument that the splints wagon was pure is kinda ridiculous, but I also don't see more than 1 wolf jumping to that wagon considering the other wagons that were avaliable.
Bereft
Mac
staypositivefriend
tutuu
Likely contains one I think.

Further d1, Alison was also unlikely pure, but as this was a sitting wagon it's possible that there's 1+ wolves here I think.
Falcon
Jackoffhearts
Sig

Not enough data to glean further from d1.

D2's strong data point is the Roxy wagon. This however, is hard to validate due to the moon I think. Do I think the D2 Roxy wagon could be pure MAYBE? Is my bias to the wolf Creature world too strong for me to think about this in an unbiased manner? Nope. Moving on.

D3 is far to spread out against results for me to pull anything conclusive here strictly from the votes, with the exception that I feel very ick about SPF when observing this. Finding and noticing that I hadn't realized SPF ended on themselves twice is just kinda bad.

I'll be taking a further look at SPF this afternoon and will validate my thoughts. SPF self voting twice and possibly being the unpure element on Splints is concerning. I do not feel confident voting alongside that slot on Creature.

Is there a world where it's
SPF
Sig
JoH
Mac/Seanzie
Porscha/Sabi

I will think on this and consider. I cannot post as much today as I think I have about 11 posts remaining.

@Jackofhearts2005 I need you to find SPF for me then as I think that slot is counter to your argument on creature.

The players I think I currently trust the least are in the order of Creature > Sig > SPF.

None of these are on Sig and it just feels better because of that.

Your argument is very damned if you do damned if you don't and I don't really see why you'd take that approach. The Ethos you put into your argument feels misaligned.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:18 pm @Jackofhearts2005 I need you to find SPF for me then as I think that slot is counter to your argument on creature.

The players I think I currently trust the least are in the order of Creature > Sig > SPF.

None of these are on Sig and it just feels better because of that.

Your argument is very damned if you do damned if you don't and I don't really see why you'd take that approach. The Ethos you put into your argument feels misaligned.

Counter to argument? Havent jack and spf both been SR'ing creature...?

Jack's argument was Creature is unlikely being bussed.

I do not Trust SPF and Creature.

SPF may be bussing Creature under that assumption and it makes for an argument against Jack's point. It also makes me more confident in a Sig vote than an Creature vote. Jack and SPF saying the similar things and suspicion does not apply to that argument.

Again, if anyone can find SPF for me in a way that makes sense I can maybe work with that.

I continue to acknowledge that I can't read SPF for shit, but the two self votes have me VERY daunted.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:19 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:06 pm SPF may be bussing Creature under that assumption and it makes for an argument against Jack's point. It also makes me more confident in a Sig vote than an Creature vote. Jack and SPF saying the similar things and suspicion does not apply to that argument.

you can hard clear me in a world where creature is mafia because i was the first person to push on creature on d1 and the first to pressure him/bring attention to him, and i have pushed on him throughout the entire game. i do like to bus at points, but i would not treat my partner in that way

the idea that i'm bussing creature to toy with jack's reasoning doesn't make sense in the context of me having pushed on creature far before jack did

This is mainly in context to the Zealot role. If Creature is the Zealot I think it is very likely a hellbus would happen.

However, this is neither here nor there. I need to do some heavy evaluation on your double self vote still. Creature/SIG both being wolves is very likely. I'm only 40% on you fitting into that.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:38 pm I could swap Sabi for idk Porscha. I’m scum reading Sabi off that one post alone. Wilgy could also potentially be town.

I don’t think there’s a world with town Tutuu or town Creature. I’m very concerned that one is just the zealot and we’ll have a shit time after getting essentially no yeet today. But there’s nothing we can do about that possibility.

Yeah there is. If there's a Zealot it's only Creature or Tutuu so vote out sig.

I very strongly think Creature is not the zealot. I'd bet my life on it.

I missed this.

It's funny because on the circumstance Seanzie is a wolf and Creature is not, this is still true.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:29 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:20 pm mac can u read through creature's posts today and give me ur thoughts? i'll do the same for sig

I've read all of his posts. They aren't great but they are better than sigs, and that Jack post pleading with us to vote out creature and tutuu over sig made my fucking skin crawl. Jack suddenly caring again and trying to be pushy is just making me think he's flipped back to hard wolfsiding probably to end the game.

I agree with this. I had the same vibe.

Yo, actually the team is
Sig
JoH
Seanzie
SPF
Porscha/Sabi

I am in agreement.

I think it's also interesting to note that Porscha keeps quoting me and going out of the way to interact with me upon my start of Sig suspicion. This did not exist earlier.

Legacy: Kill Sig. If correct PoE is Seanzie/JoH/SPF/Porscha

If not, course correct onto Creature and Tutuu.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:33 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:31 pm Yo, actually the team is
Sig
JoH
Seanzie
SPF
Porscha/Sabi

Brother how can you be reading the current content and put sabi in this solve? Did you literally not read her reaction to the post you and I both just buried?

Fear. Sabi is the (if I'm wrong.)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:37 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:33 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:31 pm Yo, actually the team is
Sig
JoH
Seanzie
SPF
Porscha/Sabi

Brother how can you be reading the current content and put sabi in this solve? Did you literally not read her reaction to the post you and I both just buried?

Fear. Sabi is the (if I'm wrong.)

No you just tried to put sabi in this world and now you're lying god damn it Wilgy why can't you just fucking be town

My guy, I have lied once this game, and that was my early TR list fishing for reactionz.

I am not good at reading W Porscha, mainly due to experience.

I am not good at reading W SPF, because I'm dum.

Sabi could be the empty in these slots that I'm missing.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:52 pm Wilgz why do you keep sring me

Fear.

That's it. I have no other good reason and have more good reasons to tr you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:56 pm Lucy is literally a confirmed town and has hardly posted. If sig is town he literally could not have given less of a fuck to try to help town win the game. I don't know why I care so much. Tutuu you can have your wolf win if you're a wolf you deserve the win more than anyone as either alignment just based on effort.

Kinda the same.

If I'm being fooled by Tutuu, Bereft, or you it's well deserved and good job.

What the hell happened to the Sig wagon?

Why?

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:46 pm What the hell happened to the Sig wagon?

Why?

Didnt you say you were just waiting for either of creature and Sig to die at some point? Well you got your wish.

Aye, Creature is still fine I suppose.

Why though, did everyone wait till EoD to play?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:51 pm What are wolves doinv

They are Mac, Seanzie, Tutuu, Porscha and SPF. We didn't stand a chance fam.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:53 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:52 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:51 pm What are wolves doinv

They are Mac, Seanzie, Tutuu, Porscha and SPF. We didn't stand a chance fam.

Why them

I just threw out a team of "who did we lose to d0"

We continue on Sig.

Wolves went out of their way to push us off their teammate and into the Zealot.

Also SPF will also do. Creature being their prime suspect since d1 argument feels kinda moot.