The Syndicate

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:26 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:35 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:45 am Porscha town due to feeling comfortable and posting analysis already in this playerlist
This looks like a clean attempt to pocket imo.
I've considered it, but since I dont really think it makes a lot of sense for lucy to make the post about try harding (especially cuz I think she is aware that myself and likely some other players here see her try hard more as wolf and not as town) if shes wolfing, I already mentally had her sorted to the town side unless something egregious changes
But maybe I'm just happy to not have the mislynch train on me early for once so whatever it can be a tentative tr that I'll keep in mind

Why does try hard Lucy equate to perceived wolf reads?

Idk if being concerned with the wagon not being on you is AI or not for you specifically. Like, I know you very much dislike when the wagon is on you wrongly (re felt) but I also generally consider wolves to be more immediately mindful of "let's not let the wagon fall on me."

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:03 am Im bored.

So.

Dr.Wilgy,

You haven't appeared to notice that I've voted you and I've been your only voter for as long as I've been paying attebtion, if lucy was on you, they must've been there only briefly. Secondly, what's up your Seanzie vote? You've never bothered to develop that one, your opinion just went poof into thin air.

I noticed the vote but didn't see anything in the thread while post dashing, I'm still catching up on notifications from page 10. Figured I'd get to it when I do.

I still think Seanzie can be in the wolf range as of now. That may change as I did believe at least his take on me. It seems that there's more of a hesitation towards my slot that idk if a wolf would have UNLESS I was right on the money with my early read.

I think wolves are more inclined to post like Mac regarding my slot especially if they are familiar with me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:53 pm
Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:50 pm I don’t have any opinions on anyone’s reads lists.
That's concerning to the point of me doubting it's truth.

@Creature, we just going to ignore my reasons for my wr list that I posted earlier?

I think I don't know creatures wolf range well enough, I can postulate both "maybe I'm in argument with a town that communicates differently from my expectations" and "damn, creature is putting down some scummy posts."
The things you are choosing to focus on and talk about and place importance on just don't feel like relevant and town mindset things to me.

Ah, yes, let's just invalidate the data.

So Mac read: being purposely obstinate towards my slot has me thinking wolf, or at least it would had it been anyone else.

I've noticed the same behavior toward Falcon. Not sure if that's relevant.

Mac has called me a wolf on the premise of not believing what I'm posting rather than seek the truth in an effort to solve what I've posted about.

Mac has attempted to invalidate my reads and contributions to the thread as well.

All in all feels very anti town. However, I'd not vote Mac until it's either needed or I've confirmed teammate associations as I've felt this same anti town behavior from Mac before and have been wrong about it. Mac has a tendency to be more careful as wolf I think.

Mac is probably just town. We will see. This behavior could be a response to me being correct about a teammate. I'd call this a 42% accuracy read.

Ehhh... Actually 40% Mac being a pain in the ass could just be his attempt to actually break through the inability for anyone to read me.

Soft town the more I think about it.

I would still like the data on their perspective re Neon and Falcon though.

@Kate I hope you and the family recover quickly and feel better.

If you'd like some foot holds, can you chime in on what you think regarding Seanzies post above?

Also can you ISO Dennis and Roxy and let me know what you think?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:54 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:53 pm
Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:50 pm I don’t have any opinions on anyone’s reads lists.
That's concerning to the point of me doubting it's truth.

@Creature, we just going to ignore my reasons for my wr list that I posted earlier?

I think I don't know creatures wolf range well enough, I can postulate both "maybe I'm in argument with a town that communicates differently from my expectations" and "damn, creature is putting down some scummy posts."
The things you are choosing to focus on and talk about and place importance on just don't feel like relevant and town mindset things to me.
I kinda believe this. I a lot want to believe it because it would be funny if Wilgy was a wolf again.

How the hell is it determined as to what is/isn't relevant to a town mindset?

Am I hunting for LHF? Am I derailing the conversation?

I don't think I am in either of these cases and the argument without such data is just bad.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:44 am Kate townslipped. She's been using the green text all game to represent stuff that's from an out-of-game perspective and that she wants to make sure people know is genuine and not speaking from her role PM. She included "it would be a bad move for town to vote me out" in green text because she was telling the truth about requesting a sub out and accidentally said too much in her "trust tell" font.

Roxy hasn't returned and is either totally checked out of the game or totally frozen mafia. We should get rid of her because we can't leave her around generating question marks forever.

I agree. This makes me think that we should be hunting within the original Kate pile on as there is very likely a wolf there.

Bets are between Baudib and Creature.

Greetings.

Never had the opportunity to read the past 10 pages and will be in and out during EoD.

That being the case I'm going to just review current votes and go from there while vetoing bad wagons.

Alison: Too many wolf leans to be pure I think. Jack, Sig and Seanzie are all in my realm of "could be wolf." More recent posts I've seen of Seanzie makes me doubt my earlier suspicion and I feel they are the most towny of the three.

Baudib: I town read all three of Neon, Falcon and Dennis. Good Wagon. Can be pure.

Creature: Just Mac. Could be pure.

Falcon: Bereft. While I don't have any immediate scum lean on Bereft, this is a bad wagon. Falcon is clearly in his town meta.

Jack of Hearts: SPF and Baudib. I don't really disagree with the suspicion on JoH, but I don't know if I trust Baudib as it stands. 50/50.

Porscha: Tutuu, I don't think this is a good vote, even if pure. Porscha would be an easier catch later if they do eventually wolf tell.

Roxy: Lucy, Alison, Creature. I disagree with this wagon. Likely not pure.

Seanzie: Rondo and I, though I'll likely change. Rondo is a town lean, likely pure wagon.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:39 pm Greetings.

Never had the opportunity to read the past 10 pages and will be in and out during EoD.

That being the case I'm going to just review current votes and go from there while vetoing bad wagons.

Alison: Too many wolf leans to be pure I think. Jack, Sig and Seanzie are all in my realm of "could be wolf." More recent posts I've seen of Seanzie makes me doubt my earlier suspicion and I feel they are the most towny of the three.

Baudib: I town read all three of Neon, Falcon and Dennis. Good Wagon. Can be pure.

Creature: Just Mac. Could be pure.

Falcon: Bereft. While I don't have any immediate scum lean on Bereft, this is a bad wagon. Falcon is clearly in his town meta.

Jack of Hearts: SPF and Baudib. I don't really disagree with the suspicion on JoH, but I don't know if I trust Baudib as it stands. 50/50.

Porscha: Tutuu, I don't think this is a good vote, even if pure. Porscha would be an easier catch later if they do eventually wolf tell.

Roxy: Lucy, Alison, Creature. I disagree with this wagon. Likely not pure.

Seanzie: Rondo and I, though I'll likely change. Rondo is a town lean, likely pure wagon.
Who are the wolves on the porscha wagon?

There isn't one most likely.

I just don't think Porscha is a correct vote as it stands and think to veto it.

I don't think Roxy's last post was scummy tbh.

But Roxy had me fooled in felt until the very end and it took my literal death and misyeet to find her while I was in the spec chat of LG&M.

Roxy I think can be found if you follow her thought processes and tones. I think the current is well within T Roxy reasoning.

Ah. Sniped. Not last post, but the post before.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:52 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:47 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:39 pm Greetings.

Never had the opportunity to read the past 10 pages and will be in and out during EoD.

That being the case I'm going to just review current votes and go from there while vetoing bad wagons.

Alison: Too many wolf leans to be pure I think. Jack, Sig and Seanzie are all in my realm of "could be wolf." More recent posts I've seen of Seanzie makes me doubt my earlier suspicion and I feel they are the most towny of the three.

Baudib: I town read all three of Neon, Falcon and Dennis. Good Wagon. Can be pure.

Creature: Just Mac. Could be pure.

Falcon: Bereft. While I don't have any immediate scum lean on Bereft, this is a bad wagon. Falcon is clearly in his town meta.

Jack of Hearts: SPF and Baudib. I don't really disagree with the suspicion on JoH, but I don't know if I trust Baudib as it stands. 50/50.

Porscha: Tutuu, I don't think this is a good vote, even if pure. Porscha would be an easier catch later if they do eventually wolf tell.

Roxy: Lucy, Alison, Creature. I disagree with this wagon. Likely not pure.

Seanzie: Rondo and I, though I'll likely change. Rondo is a town lean, likely pure wagon.
Who are the wolves on the porscha wagon?
There isn't one most likely.

I just don't think Porscha is a correct vote as it stands and think to veto it.
Oh my bad I meant Roxy

Creature I think.

I still disagree with the jump they made towards my slot earlier and haven't really seen anything to dissuade me from thinking they are a wolf, with the exception of likely not being on a team with Baudib due to voting Kate together early.

Like Creature and Baudib are both wolfy, but not teammates.

I don't think Lucy is wolf siding, but I find myself not trusting what they are saying. It feels like there's an agenda, but idk why.

Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:55 pm I don't think Lucy is wolf siding, but I find myself not trusting what they are saying. It feels like there's an agenda, but idk why.
i always play with agenda, as conf town i can openly express that agenda
i can play every game like this if it wouldn't get me killed

This doesn't even make sense? Town agendas come from PRs and from overconfident conclusions. How are you possibly at a certainty at this point in the game where you can have an agenda?

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.
god you make my skin crawl wigly, get the fuck off baudib and alison

This post means nothing.

And no.

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:04 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:55 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:50 pm ftr im insecure about my vote on jack and im not sure that im going to hold there

i just prefer him over the baud/alison wagons atm
What wagon(s) would you prefer instead?
i perceive the pool of creature/splints/falcon/sig as being likely to contain at least 2 wolves
I would guess you are probably correct.

I would say of the people casing/pushing me, Rondo is almost certainly town; Seanzie feels genuine; Falcon seems extremely sus. Bereft feels pure and his casing of Falcon was solid work.

Splints/sig/wilgy are flying utr.

Roxy seems rand to me; I think the pushback on Alison is likely at least partially wolf-driven though that doesn't mean much for Roxy's alignment imo.

Pretty tough to yeet mafia in this game state with 5 living so if you want to move to another wagon please @me, i'm out of posts. Who else do you trust?

You keep posting that I'm obv wolf and utr but I really don't think you've engaged with me once so far.

Don't make sense to me.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:04 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.
god you make my skin crawl wigly, get the fuck off baudib and alison
This post means nothing.

And no.
i am town, i strongly townread baudib, why do you wolfread them?

Their suspicion on me has been perpetual and non interactive. I've stated this and attempted to interact to find if it's genuine or not as seen below:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:20 am
Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:33 am Wilgy is an obvwolf for asking pointless questions and adding zero original thought to the thread.
I'd like to point out that this one is just objectively wrong.

I came into the thread when the main discourse was Alison's claim on Kate, but provided data that was likely important to Creature/Seanzie and Lucy's alignment while also providing feedback on players that had a flow that put them a town lean.

Hell, alot of my time following was trying to figure out if creature was being disingenuous with the push back on me.

Where were you when that was going on other than saying I was a wolf with no reason?

Now I don't know if this is a W aligned push or related to something that isn't being stated from your perspective, but I'd like to be filled in to decide. I think there's a scenario where your sr makes sense but I haven't seen you present this yet. Hell I may have even missed it as I haven't done any in depth reading since yesterday.

This was never responded to in what I saw and seems pretty critical as Baudib seems content to say I'm a wolf without explanation that is sensible.

The "something that isn't being stated" was that I had TMI. I purposely gave out town leans easily to see how some players would respond. However, Baudib didn't bring up my tr on them once, but still insists that I'm wolf without reason or response.

Further this:

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:57 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:11 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:42 pm
Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:34 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:32 pm

The same can be said to literally any wolfread rn. Gotta start somewhere.
No, that's not true. Lots of legit reasons to SR a player can & do emerge D1, but to SR a player just cuz you feel they have 0 wolves in a list of 3 is utter crap
Once again, no it isn’t. Pushing wrong world views is exactly what scum do.
@MacDougall
Baudib wasn't saying Wilgy had a wrong worldview he was managing the reads quality of the player he replied to. He made no comment on Wilgy.
Well, why don't we ask him? Cuz' given the context of that convo, coupled w/ the fact that Baudi has expressed Wilgy as a SR, then I think it's perfectly natural to assume that Baudi was saying that Wilgy had a bad world view because he's scum.

@Baudib1 what say you? Did you mean or do you believe that Wilgy has a wrong world view and that he's scum?
I dislike Wilgy for other reasons but I don’t have an opinion on his wolf leans list. But if someone lists wolf reads that you think are blatantly wrong, that is indeed a good reason to scumread them. This shouldn’t have to be explained frankly.

Doesn't feel genuine.

Also early on I did point out this here:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:53 pm
Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:50 pm I don’t have any opinions on anyone’s reads lists.
That's concerning to the point of me doubting it's truth.

So I think my vote is fine based on the above. :Shrug:

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:04 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.
god you make my skin crawl wigly, get the fuck off baudib and alison
This post means nothing.

And no.
[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine
I still want to be voting sean but I do not like your posts recently even if tutuu has been calling you town the reasons are weak

K. This post also means nothing.

Why do I keep having to ask people why. It makes no sense.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.
Do you really think Baudib is mafia? I'd love an explanation on this.

See above. I'd say it's like a 70% read.

Oh also the above doesn't even include the early Kate wagon shit. Early Kate wagon and me thinking Kate is 90% town now has me really think to solve between Creature and Baudib.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:12 pm @DrWilgy I don't know how you go about social interactions, but i'm autistic so socializing is hard, i come into every social interaction with an agenda, usually for nothing if not for it to be normal

i am good at chess and come into an agenda before "rand"

i am strong at calculating and i've calculated out everything already, i am sorry if this is foreign play to you, but why the fuck are you doing what you're doing?

Aye, even so, if I see data pushing people certain directions, but I don't see what lead them along that path, then what am I to assume?

Like I get having a "game plan" but you've pushed for people to get off Alison and onto me for reasons I didn't see, (I asked you about these), you've jumped very quickly between multiple people and the dots do not connect to me. The only one that I have drawn a logical conclusion to you getting to is your read on Roxy, and I believe that comes from discourse in Mafia playstyle.

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:47 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:45 pm Its pretty clear that we absolutely lost control over the game.
Sig's recasting of the Alison situation encapsulates that perfectly.
It all just looks mindless. Is Lucy/Mac/SPF not enough for you guys?
But. I dont actually know anyone who has the mileage besides tutuu to persuade how many ever town that actually boring established towncores of stronger players are good.
Whoa, whoa, whoa there Chicken Little. Settle down.

We didn't have a N1 town death, so that's a plus. These kind of posts are inherently scummy, as they only serve to lower morale.
Perhaps Falcon actually believes things are going dandy.* At any rate, in the Falcon/DrWilgy pair, I'm currently of the mind to vote DrWilgy over Falcon.

*my immediate reaction to the Moon card being played was that wolves used it to chop Alison. I do think this is a reasonable kneejerk reaction and hence why I dont care for SPF's questioning of Creature's stated reasoning on roxy.

Why are we a pair?

Hello everyone.

EoD seemed like a clusterfuck.

Splints was a bad wagon, there was literally no data to gain from that last min wagon.

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:18 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:16 pm Hello everyone.

EoD seemed like a clusterfuck.

Splints was a bad wagon, there was literally no data to gain from that last min wagon.
Wrong. Splints was a perfectly cromulent wagon. Allison was a bad wagon.

Clearly not, but that's just results that played out in front of us. Nbd though.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:20 pm i have a headache

1) all 3 wagons d1 were town
2) this game is wolf controlled
3) i will help spf read porscha
4) i will have more control in the wagons today, opposition to that i am taking as hard wolf siding. you fuckers decided the wagons (alison/baudib/splints) and they were all town
5) no jack lynch today, that is final
6) i want a wigly wagon

I've asked multiple times why, and I still don't get an answer.

From like 3 people.

This shit is getting obnoxious.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:28 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:25 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:20 pm5) no jack lynch today, that is final
Not even just one bite?
maybe tomorrow bb

@DrWilgy are you familiar with the concept of basic critical thought?

Alright, I'm over this.

[VOTE: Baudib ] aubergine

Feel free to just yeet me at this point if you disagree with my suspicion here. I'm pretty toasted at this game.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:16 pm @DrWilgy @Jackofhearts2005 if ur town please be towny

K

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:14 pm Where's Wilgy? I feel like he's dipped this RD, and that's somewhat troubling

@DrWilgy Are you now, or have you ever been, a Doctor? Where ya's head at? I don't see you as my town core like I used to

No, I've just been committing fraud for the past few years of my life.

What dropped me out of town core? I needed to take a break from the game and such.

So back to my original postulation that there was a wolf in the early Kate wagon. Likely just [VOTE: creature] aubergine at this point. So I'll vote there before I try to catch up now. Will likely skim and ISO for a few hours this evening.

@Seanzie why is your game so much different than secret player list?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:49 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:45 pm @Seanzie why is your game so much different than secret player list?
You'll have to elaborate on what exactly is different. I don't feel different, except for the obvious differences.

You feel more cautious in your takes.

You were very fire from the hip in secret player list, but in this game you've expressed fear on your read of me and your processes for other players seem to take more time. They are lengthier, thus at least to me, tells of a more cautionary approach to either reading or posting.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:54 pm what are worlds where bereft/wigly/seanzie/rondo are town

I'm like 90% sure not everyone calling me Wolf can be wolf, I look forward to them feeling silly when I flip.

Good morning friends.

I'm no longer tilted, but I'm afraid I fell off the boat when I became so. All my reads now are lingering gut reads from d1. Someone toss me a lifeline or help me get my footing.

Re main two wagons:
Creature was on the early Kate Wagon. I remember something about Creature making me want to wolf read them and then the following push back for very silly reasons and then retracting.

General vibe is that this is wolf Creature.

Roxy idk. The Wagon is unlikely pure regardless of alignment. I'm just gonna say idk how to read Roxy. Felt they got me the entire time and there were no further actions I could take against the wolves before I considered the SVS Roxy team. During G-man's game, I died, noticed an akward post from unspoiled spec and realized they were a wolf then. I haven't had any of those 'tells' appear so far this game, but who knows, I think I'm just not good at the slot.

Oh, and I'm still of the argument that Sabi/Kate is VERY unlikely wolf. I think Kate spewed town before the bodyswap happened.

Alison saw it too and I'm thinking that's one I shouldn't reconsider until we have more data.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:00 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:53 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:49 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:45 pm @Seanzie why is your game so much different than secret player list?
You'll have to elaborate on what exactly is different. I don't feel different, except for the obvious differences.
You feel more cautious in your takes.

You were very fire from the hip in secret player list, but in this game you've expressed fear on your read of me and your processes for other players seem to take more time. They are lengthier, thus at least to me, tells of a more cautionary approach to either reading or posting.
I do not fear reading you, I just know I don't know how to.

I do not feel the other things you're saying.

Aye, I don't know if fear was correct. Uncertainty builds fear, but they are not the same and uncertainty was more likely the word to describe it.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:02 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:58 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:54 pm what are worlds where bereft/wigly/seanzie/rondo are town
I'm like 90% sure not everyone calling me Wolf can be wolf, I look forward to them feeling silly when I flip.
to be clear. I think there are worlds where you could be town but at the moment Mac is slightly more town than you and has called you sus (afaik, I need to re-read again but I am at work atm)

Why does Mac have such a say so on my alignment? If you have re-read the slot has Mac shown the actual read/tells for me?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:06 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:56 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:14 pm Where's Wilgy? I feel like he's dipped this RD, and that's somewhat troubling

@DrWilgy Are you now, or have you ever been, a Doctor? Where ya's head at? I don't see you as my town core like I used to
No, I've just been committing fraud for the past few years of my life.

What dropped me out of town core? I needed to take a break from the game and such.

So back to my original postulation that there was a wolf in the early Kate wagon. Likely just [VOTE: creature] aubergine at this point. So I'll vote there before I try to catch up now. Will likely skim and ISO for a few hours this evening.
Not being around.

Refresh me in your Kate wagon theory?

So early on, there was the 4 man Kate wagon that just kinda blooped into place d1.

This consisted of Creature, tutuu, Baudib1, staypositivefriend. My theory was such "If Kate is not a wolf, it is very likely that a wolf planted a vote here for both an easy vote drop and a means to get engaged. The game is young enough that this would be a decent way to get momentum, and thus the wagon is likely unpure."

Based on early reads, the two most likely in this group were Baudib and Creature.

Now that the game has progressed, I could potentially think of SPF as the wolf on the boat, but I think it's far less likely than Creature.

Simply put, it was a means for me to focus while exploring wagonomics early game.

I think it still has merit when I think about it.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:19 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:00 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:53 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:49 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:45 pm @Seanzie why is your game so much different than secret player list?
You'll have to elaborate on what exactly is different. I don't feel different, except for the obvious differences.
You feel more cautious in your takes.

You were very fire from the hip in secret player list, but in this game you've expressed fear on your read of me and your processes for other players seem to take more time. They are lengthier, thus at least to me, tells of a more cautionary approach to either reading or posting.
I do not fear reading you, I just know I don't know how to.

I do not feel the other things you're saying.
Hmm.....................

@DrWilgy is that it?

Aye for now that's it. I've lost track of the game too much to have anything other than gut reads.

Questioning you on the gut read I thought may help me figure out how I feel further, but ultimately nothing changed. I'll just need to re read the slot and assess if my read was correct eventually. I have very little interest in doing so today though.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:53 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:43 am
sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:26 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:37 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:32 pm Someone talk to me about Sig, if you want. I can't make you
They were one of the sketchiest votes on Alison and I kinda thought his D1 entrance was forced. Also it feels like his wolfread on me was pure OMGUS and was implying I was pushing him for being known LHF (when he's clearly not being LHF this game).
Why was I the sketchiest vote? This narrative makes no sense .

Can’t comment on forced D1 it’s how I always come in I was joking it’s whatever.

I am/was LHF and used to be frequently misvoted, this is a very odd take. Plus my name keeps getting brought up meaning I’m still in the mix/LHF this game
Is Creature weaving a false narrative in your mind? What's your read on them?
I’d throw creature down as a scum lean, there response to me have been off for most of the game (I guess this falls more into the gut read camp) and he seems to be more actively pushing wagons than civ creature does.

I’d be curious to see if this Roxy flip is current since he’s been pushing it, but if she flips civ he’d be someone I’m eyeing a lot more.

He’s also on my ISO list so I’ll have more infor here soon

This post feels very teammate indicative if Creature flips W.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:47 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:43 am
sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:26 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:37 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:32 pm Someone talk to me about Sig, if you want. I can't make you
They were one of the sketchiest votes on Alison and I kinda thought his D1 entrance was forced. Also it feels like his wolfread on me was pure OMGUS and was implying I was pushing him for being known LHF (when he's clearly not being LHF this game).
Why was I the sketchiest vote? This narrative makes no sense .

Can’t comment on forced D1 it’s how I always come in I was joking it’s whatever.

I am/was LHF and used to be frequently misvoted, this is a very odd take. Plus my name keeps getting brought up meaning I’m still in the mix/LHF this game
Is Creature weaving a false narrative in your mind? What's your read on them?
I couldn't tell you a single narrative, false or otherwise, that Creature is weaving. If you're specific about what narrative you want my opinion on, I'd be happy to take a look though.

Creature I think is not displaying some of the stiltedness I see in his wolf games, and while he isn't as paranoid as I expect town!Creature, I'd still give him a town lean.

I think this is well said, and I think a familiar feeling I have.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:31 am Yeah I still think falcon is town. I guess wolf!falcon tends to display more agenda.

Dude, wolf Falcon isn't this loud ever.

Players that SR Falcon, have we ever seen W Falcon this loud in a game before?

Dennis still feels very much towny.

I like Tutuu's list.

However, if there's a slot that's wrong in, I think that'd just imply that there's a loud wolf somewhere as idk how I feel about Jack filling in one of those gaps.

Someone talk to me about Mac (remember townleaning this slot), SPF and Bereft. I don't have any data there.

Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:53 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:16 am
sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:53 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:43 am
sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:26 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:37 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:32 pm Someone talk to me about Sig, if you want. I can't make you
They were one of the sketchiest votes on Alison and I kinda thought his D1 entrance was forced. Also it feels like his wolfread on me was pure OMGUS and was implying I was pushing him for being known LHF (when he's clearly not being LHF this game).
Why was I the sketchiest vote? This narrative makes no sense .

Can’t comment on forced D1 it’s how I always come in I was joking it’s whatever.

I am/was LHF and used to be frequently misvoted, this is a very odd take. Plus my name keeps getting brought up meaning I’m still in the mix/LHF this game
Is Creature weaving a false narrative in your mind? What's your read on them?
I’d throw creature down as a scum lean, there response to me have been off for most of the game (I guess this falls more into the gut read camp) and he seems to be more actively pushing wagons than civ creature does.

I’d be curious to see if this Roxy flip is current since he’s been pushing it, but if she flips civ he’d be someone I’m eyeing a lot more.

He’s also on my ISO list so I’ll have more infor here soon
This post feels very teammate indicative if Creature flips W.
This is a fascinating post.

I've discovered that Dr. Wigly has been dropping off hard this game.

What does this mean?

You keep making posts that have no meaning towards me and It's kinda silly at this point.

Like I remember skimming you saying "I'm wolfing like you would two years ago" how in the hell would that have any meaning to the thread?

It's at the point where your pushes on me just don't feel genuine. Add data that has meaning purpose or at least some base form of discussable logic to it.

My idk read on Bereft has shifted to wolf leaning with that one.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:33 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:32 pm Someone talk to me about Sig, if you want. I can't make you
Sig has produced no coherent content and has made primarily bad votes. In conclusion, he is objectively null but you should get rid of him after you clear the main suspects because once he starts wolfsiding he doesn't stop.

Flipping through Alison data. Gonna just sheep there alittle. How do we feel about sigs slot arm?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:46 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:40 pm My idk read on Bereft has shifted to wolf leaning with that one.
why?

See previous post.

I can understand a singular instance of wolf calling without probable reason OR shading without an actual contextual reason that is sensible to the thread, but at twice it appears to be just a means of discrediting while 'looking' like data is being generated.

Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:50 pm The post being fascinating had nothing to do with me justifying a wolfread on you.
If you want data, then respond to the fact that you've made barely any posts today like I said.

I've explained why I had to take a leave from the thread. I was put in a space where I couldn't play the game effectively.

I've expressed this several times, along with both asking for others to interact with me and questioning the current mindsets.

So go on. Continue discussing this without actually interacting with my other content along with the other vague tells please. It'll very much help you read me.

Wowee

Anyways it's [VOTE: SIG] aubergine

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:15 pm changed my mind overnight and dont think sig is mafia anymore. i think sabi/creature/jack contains at least 2.

think the game is being deepwolfed by probably exactly tutuu/one other player but im interested in just voting out a wolf today regardless of anything else

what wonderful means changed your mind?

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