The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Marmot

You should keep an eye on my vote it could go anywhere!

Me Jack me! Vote me!

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote: Besides, I don't believe SVS and DF are ok n the same team. If SVS flips civilian I can lynch DF w/o second thought.
What gives you that impression?

Just DF's interaction with SVS.

Baddies are JoH, SVS/DF, Quin/Sawyer, and llamotnosis.

Linki - Marmot my vote wasn't sneaky! I stated so in the chat. SVS is a better option to Jack, but I have my doubts on this one. I feel that Baddie SVS generally goes harder than what we see here but I could be wrong. I skimmed her ISO and I found that she had no strong suspicions/jack interactions and I'm semi-justifying my vote to myself that way. Besides, I don't believe SVS and DF are ok n the same team. If SVS flips civilian I can lynch DF w/o second thought.

I'm ok with this. It'll shed light on my DF suspicion anyways.

SVS, have you had a firm opinion on anyone this game?

Why or why not?

Boo! Boo!

Jack votes are weak and lazy.

Boooo!

DFaraday wrote:Wilgy, I didn't include further comments in my post because I was half asleep and just wanted to get the most cursory comment out there. If you don't believe that, sorry.

Would you say that your default is mafia until proven civvy?

thellama73 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Or I'm a civ who accidentally missed the vote because I was dicking around too much and don't want that to happen again.

I see your distrust though. Llama, you stated you were at square 1 with Quin. Do you view his slight interactions with Jack leaning more or less teammate indicative.
I'm inclined to say less, especially based on my meta analysis of Quin's style. I wouldn't say he's off my radar, but he's certainly dropped a fair distance on my suspicion tree.

Ok, thank you for that. Do you think that Sawyer v Quin has a baddie in it?

I'm doubtful that their exchange was between 2 civs, it is just a gut feeling however.

Or I'm a civ who accidentally missed the vote because I was dicking around too much and don't want that to happen again.

I see your distrust though. Llama, you stated you were at square 1 with Quin. Do you view his slight interactions with Jack leaning more or less teammate indicative.

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:DF I agree with Mac and Epi. How hard would've it been to voice your concern/suspicion regarding SVS and FZ? I don't believe a civilian would finish a lengthy catch up and not mention that.

I'll place my vote on you.
I don't understand this. What specifically do you agree with from Mac and me?

When should DF have mentioned his concern about S~V~S and FZ.?

When he stated he finished catching up. He didn't mention anything he found suss, he has yet to relate the players he finds suss to jack.

I agree with your vote for him and Mac's baddie ping. I felt the ping when he posted his catch up post.

DF I agree with Mac and Epi. How hard would've it been to voice your concern/suspicion regarding SVS and FZ? I don't believe a civilian would finish a lengthy catch up and not mention that.

I'll place my vote on you.

Epignosis wrote:
MacDougall wrote:If we leave Jack alive we need to have unanimous lynch candidates or he can literally pop up and hammer people he knows to be civ. So basically if we are reaching end of day and have no unanimous candidate, we have to lynch him.

Otherwise yeah ignore him for the rest of the day and if we can find a unanimous candidate ignore everything he does as wifom.
I would love to see him literally pop up and hammer people.

Is literally in context to Jack popping up, hammering people, or both?

notsawyer540 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Listen:

The objective to Mafia is to find out who is bad. Lynching them is the easy part.

Granted, if this were some scenario where there were secrets involved and vote manipulations, I'd be all for lynching the bad guy and being done with it.

In this particular scenario, there is one team, probably with three powerless people, and no independent to muddy things. As far as I'm concerned, Jack is already dead. His vote is useless because nobody is going to follow him. His voice is useless because it's just white noise now.

Use Day 2 to find his team. Lynch them. If you're wrong, so what? You would have been wrong Day 3 instead.
But you don't KNOW that you would be wrong on day 3 instead. It's a numbers game, and unless the mafia kill gets blocked or interrupted in some way tonight there will be a smaller chance of lynching a civ tomorrow because there will be one less civ.

What would the mafia prefer: Being down one player or having a full team where only one of them is known? I think mafia would prefer having that extra player even if they are outed, because the odds are on their side.

When I'm remotely scared that we are at a lynch or lose situation then we can kill jack. Easy.

@Epi, I would like for you to go through Quin next if possible. I saw you mention him earlier and I'm curious if you read his interactions with Jack as teammate indicative or not.

Quin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Quin wrote:What's a civilian ninja?
Civilian that can nk.
Cool. Cool cool cool.

I'm familiar with ninjas being scum roles that can avoid tracking/watching roles.

I see... I generally refer to them as vigilantes idk why I decided to call it ninja this time, but others seem to recognize this roles as such.

Quin wrote:What's a civilian ninja?

Civilian that can nk.

thellama73 wrote:The question is, is our chance of making a mistake and lynching a civilian accidentally greater on Day 2 or on Day 3? I tend to think it's better on Day 2, because we have fewer posts to analyze and, assuming there is a night kill, a greater pool of civilians to choose from.

I personally think there's too many variables comparing it to previous day 2 and 3's. The information avaliable changes how we see things. I say we hunt others and keep our hostage.

Besides this can give opportunities for ninja to pick up easy kills, bus driver to swap potential night kills on a target. Look out esc roles can keep an eye on jack to confirm who the vigi may be. I mean if there are strong civ power roles that can gain information by having a global target, why get rid of it so fast?

Quin wrote:Because I didn't want to.

Well here's the thing. Jack only mentioned you once in a comment that lead nowhere and you didn't mention Jack until 24 houra after his reveal. I'm pretty sure your his teammate.

Quin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Quin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Quin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Quin wrote:I don't see a problem with his voting for me. Jack is outted but that doesn't mean we absolutely have to lynch him today (though we should)
Why did it take you so long to mention Jack?
I didn't want to until now.
Why?
No reason. I just didn't.
But there was a want. If there was no reason wouldn't you have stated "I just didn't" originally.
No.

Why did you use the word want then?

Quin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Quin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Quin wrote:I don't see a problem with his voting for me. Jack is outted but that doesn't mean we absolutely have to lynch him today (though we should)
Why did it take you so long to mention Jack?
I didn't want to until now.
Why?
No reason. I just didn't.

But there was a want. If there was no reason wouldn't you have stated "I just didn't" originally.

Epignosis wrote:Given that data, I think it is reasonable to assume the entire mafia is powerless beyond a kill.

I don't mind lynching Jackie O, but I would only do so as a last resort. Lynching exposed mafia only keeps his teammates out of discussion and pressure.

This.

Scotty basically hog tied and handed us a hostage.

Quin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Quin wrote:I don't see a problem with his voting for me. Jack is outted but that doesn't mean we absolutely have to lynch him today (though we should)
Why did it take you so long to mention Jack?
I didn't want to until now.

Why?

Quin wrote:I don't see a problem with his voting for me. Jack is outted but that doesn't mean we absolutely have to lynch him today (though we should)

Why did it take you so long to mention Jack?

Quin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Quin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Quin wrote:Hey Wilgy, is marmot your teammate again? I notice you brought up your buddy-burger from RoT3K. What was the cue for that?
SVS was curious about my interactions with teammates. I thought RoTK was a good reference for her.

Is me bringing up RoTK an indicator that Marmot and I are on a team?
Maybe. It felt like it came out of nowhere so I'm entertaining the idea. Who would you have voted yesterday if you were in time to do so?
Well going "hey you brought up X does this mean you and marmot are teammates?" is definitely not the way to go about hunting for answers if you think theres a chance on that. If I were to be bad I'd have all the tools I need to counter your thoughts regarding the subject now.

Probably just would've voted Epi. Only because of my "hey epi is bad" thing, otherwise there would've veen no rhyme or reason. Wasn't paying too much attention to the thread then

Liki - wot
Your answer didn't really matter to me much. It's the kind of observation I pocket for later in the event one of you flip bad. I asked you just so I could get it out in the thread, having you respond was just a bonus.

I look forward to you using that observation Quin.

S~V~S wrote:Epi do you really think I killed Eloh cause she's not chatty? Be honest.

I do!! I do I do I do!!

(Not really)

Quin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Quin wrote:Hey Wilgy, is marmot your teammate again? I notice you brought up your buddy-burger from RoT3K. What was the cue for that?
SVS was curious about my interactions with teammates. I thought RoTK was a good reference for her.

Is me bringing up RoTK an indicator that Marmot and I are on a team?
Maybe. It felt like it came out of nowhere so I'm entertaining the idea. Who would you have voted yesterday if you were in time to do so?

Well going "hey you brought up X does this mean you and marmot are teammates?" is definitely not the way to go about hunting for answers if you think theres a chance on that. If I were to be bad I'd have all the tools I need to counter your thoughts regarding the subject now.

Probably just would've voted Epi. Only because of my "hey epi is bad" thing, otherwise there would've veen no rhyme or reason. Wasn't paying too much attention to the thread then

Liki - wot

Quin wrote:Hey Wilgy, is marmot your teammate again? I notice you brought up your buddy-burger from RoT3K. What was the cue for that?

SVS was curious about my interactions with teammates. I thought RoTK was a good reference for her.

Is me bringing up RoTK an indicator that Marmot and I are on a team?

Marmot wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Why am I getting so much suspicionnnnnn... I did the scum hunt and found us a badder what more do you want from me.
I'm giving you no suspicion. I would like for you to be civ this game so we can not be on opposing factions again.

Marmot wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Uh didn't Wilgy and I literally create a four way tie immortalised in sig widget for shits and giggles?
It was him too? Hrm, I forgot about his involvement, I just remembered yours

Did he chatter with you alot in thread besides that?
Oh yeah, that was fun.

I think the only game where I specifically chose a teammate to joke around with was Marmot in RoTK and that ended horribly.
The dead marmot from that game is still churning in his grave.
This is my fault Marmot. I will bear this weight until the day I die. I will do whatever I can to regain your honor.
SVS was on our team too.

RIP Elohcin.

Ho boi. I need to stop drinking.

FZ. wrote:RIP Eloh.

I forgot to vote in the night poll

This whole Jack of hearts thing is weird, because I thought taking down meant he would die as well, not that he would be revealed. Yet, why do you think we should not vote him Wilgy? Do you think there's some kind of catch?

I do not think that there's a catch, I do think it's easy to halt discussion and go "meh Jack vote".

How do we generally feel about Quin?

linki - Goodnight :^))))

Rip Eloh.

Everyone lets refrain from voting from Jack immediately.

MacDougall wrote:Wasn't I on your team that time as well?

Hmmm... I think INH was there too.

I drink to forget that game.

MacDougall wrote:Why am I getting so much suspicionnnnnn... I did the scum hunt and found us a badder what more do you want from me.

I'm giving you no suspicion. I would like for you to be civ this game so we can not be on opposing factions again.

Marmot wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Uh didn't Wilgy and I literally create a four way tie immortalised in sig widget for shits and giggles?
It was him too? Hrm, I forgot about his involvement, I just remembered yours

Did he chatter with you alot in thread besides that?
Oh yeah, that was fun.

I think the only game where I specifically chose a teammate to joke around with was Marmot in RoTK and that ended horribly.
The dead marmot from that game is still churning in his grave.

This is my fault Marmot. I will bear this weight until the day I die. I will do whatever I can to regain your honor.

S~V~S wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Uh didn't Wilgy and I literally create a four way tie immortalised in sig widget for shits and giggles?
It was him too? Hrm, I forgot about his involvement, I just remembered yours

Did he chatter with you alot in thread besides that?

Oh yeah, that was fun.

I think the only game where I specifically chose a teammate to joke around with was Marmot in RoTK and that ended horribly.

Epignosis wrote:If Wilgy is innocent, this would mean that he pulled a mafia member out of a hat

Is inaccurate.

More informative and less feely would be the following:
"If Wilgy is innocent, this would mean that he joked around with a mafia member more than other players."

Technically Epi, he jested with me first

G-Man wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I appreciate you making it easier for me to know whom to lynch next.

S~V~S is dead meat.
-1 Hillary Points for using Hillary Points in any way relevant to the game.

Can I have another Hillary Point? The Clinton foundation is a charity after all.

Woo! We take those. I forgot the day was ending and thought I had more time. Sorry everyone.

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:@Epi, it feels like you are try Harding, porque?
I don't know what this means. Are you asking me why I am finding mafia? What would you have me do instead?

Trying harder than the norm. My bad.

Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Long Con wrote:I will currently be voting one of the following people:

MacDougall
DrWilgy
Quin
thellama73
Jackofhearts2005
Scotty

They have posted since my request for lie detector statements and failed to make such a statement. DF, FZ, MarMot, and Floyd have not posted since then. The rest of you are potentially cleared.
But I'm not bad.
But are you Civ?

How about you run this through your detector,
Wilgy = Baddie.obj || !(Civillian.obj)

I'm regards to PoE, there's 2-3 people I'd protect tonight at this point. I think it to be unwise to share this though. Would you still protect Epi?

@Mac, that's right! I recall now. M'kay.

@Epi, it feels like you are try Harding, porque?

@Jack, if you don't have those do you have a vault of a near infinite amount of swords to launch at people?

Long Con wrote:I will currently be voting one of the following people:

MacDougall
DrWilgy
Quin
thellama73
Jackofhearts2005
Scotty

They have posted since my request for lie detector statements and failed to make such a statement. DF, FZ, MarMot, and Floyd have not posted since then. The rest of you are potentially cleared.

But I'm not bad.

Scotty wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Scotty wrote:This might be cliche but I'm not thrilled with any of Marmot's 7 posts so far. Granted, that was Day 0. But he could probably shave the fluff, that naked rat
What's a townie Marmot look like?
Something akin to this

That's not the only thing currently naked and in the thread...

What's up?

S~V~S wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Long Con wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I could see an FZ vote as possible. I thought her question about the rules seemed contrived.
Your suspicions seem somewhat contrived.
Your face seems somewhat contrived.
Mom, Dad, please stop fighting...

SVS why did you question me calling out Epi? He's clearly bad, so what drew you to it?
I thought you were red peeking but the rules specifically forbid it. So I wasn't sure what the point was.

Would you kill me for being cop?

thellama73 wrote:
Long Con wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I could see an FZ vote as possible. I thought her question about the rules seemed contrived.
Your suspicions seem somewhat contrived.
Your face seems somewhat contrived.

Mom, Dad, please stop fighting...

SVS why did you question me calling out Epi? He's clearly bad, so what drew you to it?

...Have Mac and I ever been civ together?

MacDougall wrote:I have a question for everyone.

If I don't make 100 posts today will I get lynched again? Is that something I need to contend with? I would rather not.

I'll try to lynch you. Idk bout the others.

Long Con wrote:Wilgy, who should the President protect this evening?

It's too early to say LC. I do think a proper PoE could get this answer, but there's not enough discussion yet.

If you need an answer now, me!

MacDougall wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I think Wilgy is bad.
Don't you always?

No.

Oh, does that make you bad?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Hi everyone! I'm a doctor and Epignosis is bad!
They said I could keep my doctor, but I now see I'm stuck with Wigly.

Sorry guys, that's the best I got, tonight.
Hiii Jaaaaaaack, do you want to conquer the world with me?

Good! We'll need afew things before we can begin.
*Wilgy hands Jack a list of objects*

Spoiler: show

thellama73 wrote:And since we're throwing out wild Day 0 accusations, I think Quin is bad.

I agree with this, Quin are you bad?

Yooo...

I haven't played with FZ in awhile. How are you?

MacDougall wrote:I think Wilgy is bad.

Don't you always?

Quin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Hi everyone! I'm a doctor and Epignosis is bad!
What is the point of this?
He's letting us know we should lynch Epi Day 1.

Yes

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Hi everyone! I'm a doctor and Epignosis is bad!
They said I could keep my doctor, but I now see I'm stuck with Wigly.

Sorry guys, that's the best I got, tonight.

Hiii Jaaaaaaack, do you want to conquer the world with me?

DFaraday wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Quin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Hi everyone! I'm a doctor and Epignosis is bad!
What is the point of this?
He's letting us know we should lynch Epi Day 1.
I know what he's saying. But why?
Why does Wilgy do anything?

Why does Wilgy do anything?

Hi everyone! I'm a doctor and Epignosis is bad!

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