The Syndicate

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:27 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:26 pm What's poppin playas?

Been busy with work and haven't really read anything recent. Who's town that I can sheep?

Also Mac is bad.
So you haven't read any of Mac's more recent posts from last night? Why do you think he is bad?

I haven't read anything nor do I think I'll be able to catch up before EoD. So live discussion is where I'll be hunting.

I see people o plenty on sprityo so I put them more in the lead.

Voted for Mac with my 2nd.

Really? M'k

Mac's bad because he was the 2nd person to vote Hazelnut Yesterday. Thus meaning he's an absolute unit and a team player.

What's poppin playas?

Been busy with work and haven't really read anything recent. Who's town that I can sheep?

Also Mac is bad.

Tim being Sus and talking about nutella chop as lazy males me feel better about it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:01 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pm Shit, I could get behind a Tutuu or MR vote just based on the last few posts.
Without actually explaining why this fart noises
Because of the lazy lines I pointed out earlier. Now, I don't think they are W/W BUT it's really easy for W to take the lazy line and fly with it when accepted.
Love accusing people of lazy lines then being lazy oneself.

Alrighty dad. You call me trying to convince people that something isn't right with Tutuu lazy again and I'm giving up on sheeping Nanook.

I'm qyite literally talking to a player base of brick walls.

Like... I'd describe towm tutuu like a electric fairy tyoe pokemon...

This tutuu is fire fairy.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:44 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:37 pm Idk doods. My gut says this is different from the civ tutuu I saw last game...
how so

There's less whimsy.

More motive imo... Just having trouble determining direction.

Idk doods. My gut says this is different from the civ tutuu I saw last game...

KILL THE SPINNING ANIME GIRL

Just pull some votes off Ted and I think we hav 9 and 2 on good choices.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:28 pm No one wishes to follow me on Alison, so I will move to [VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

I stand by my opinion of alison still, but I have my own reasons for doing this at the moment.

[VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

Hellzyeah brother!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pm Shit, I could get behind a Tutuu or MR vote just based on the last few posts.
Without actually explaining why this fart noises

Because of the lazy lines I pointed out earlier. Now, I don't think they are W/W BUT it's really easy for W to take the lazy line and fly with it when accepted.

So here's a thunk.

If its TvWv3rd... Should fluff posting/tmi be taken as seriously if Scum too are hunting for each other? Are there any awkward interactions that can be seen between teammates rather than the TvW tells?

I don't have anything that's affected by that read wise other than maybe Tutuu has baboozled us all because scum don't have full info.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:29 pm the confidence that u wont be yeeted today is obviously a lie nutella, doesnt mean ur scum for faking the confidence, you can easily be doing it as town to try to show being genuine / try to idk do "the right thing" but

What townieness do people see in you that I somehow miss?

you've lost me friend.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:44 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:41 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:37 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pm Shit, I could get behind a Tutuu or MR vote just based on the last few posts.
The rest of the thread doesn't support that though. Tutuu has enough towniness established that even "okay, yes, I'm a wolf" couldn't really offset it.

From the ISOs I've done so far (still eight to go) the only possible counterwagons to Nutella I could really get into would be Ted, Herm, or Odd.
Not my intention to offset towniness. Anyone can think what they want in this situation and it's entirely possible I'm just bad with Tutuu in a day 1 scenario.

Why are counterwagons that much of a concern?
Because generally speaking from a town perspective a runaway wagon is bad. If it does hit a wolf there's no information gained on partners because of course with a runaway wagon they are just as likely to have bussed as not. If it doesn't hit a wolf that's even worse.

Are you implying that it's in town favor to form a counter wagon even if the vote isn't the primary suspect?

(It's very easy for scum to null/town read. Your vote on Hazelnut would've been easy regardless of alignment.)

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:39 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:33 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:26 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:28 pm Alright I finished reading nutella and I have similar thoughts to others who have just posted about her iso. There's not a lot there except for her scum read on me. She did, however, argue that Dr. Wilgy is town and ted is town which I agree with. I think what dilutes the reads she does have is how many posts she has that are about nothing important, like the soup posts and the joke posts. They overwhelm her other posts imo and that smacks of wolfy behavior. Up your post count and be seen as a presence by posting a lot about nothing.

But here's the rub. Like others before me have said, if she is wolf where are her teammates? There have been plenty of opportunities to run up a wagon on someone else. Did they give up early and are bussing her or voting on off wagons? It just doesn't feel right and that's a concern I have, though I still read her as scummy. I will vote her for now but read some other folks that I have null reads on and evaluate them.

Also I'll put together a reads list and post it.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
you know full well I am town and yet you are hopping on with empty reasons like I'm memeing a lot

nope.
What should I have seen about you that would let me know "full well" that you're town? My mind is not a closed door so talk to me.
If Hazelnut was dead who would you vote for rn gth?
I'm not sure whether you saw my reads list where I indicated I need to iso some people before I can put anyone else in my lean scum list. So, I can't answer your question right now.

I did... While acknowledging you are catching up, I do have concern about your vote and scum read on Hazelnut though. You reiterated something that seems to be a commonality without providing much else. I do hope you understand my concern.

Regardless, I won't say you should be voted for it yet.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:37 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pm Shit, I could get behind a Tutuu or MR vote just based on the last few posts.
The rest of the thread doesn't support that though. Tutuu has enough towniness established that even "okay, yes, I'm a wolf" couldn't really offset it.

From the ISOs I've done so far (still eight to go) the only possible counterwagons to Nutella I could really get into would be Ted, Herm, or Odd.

Not my intention to offset towniness. Anyone can think what they want in this situation and it's entirely possible I'm just bad with Tutuu in a day 1 scenario.

Why are counterwagons that much of a concern?

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:32 pm Poison is town btw.
Why don't I feel your presence much.

Wait, where is nanook?

Got busy last evening and 24 pages were spawned. Trying to play catchup while staying semi-involved in active discussion.

What would you expect from me in terms of presence?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:26 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:28 pm Alright I finished reading nutella and I have similar thoughts to others who have just posted about her iso. There's not a lot there except for her scum read on me. She did, however, argue that Dr. Wilgy is town and ted is town which I agree with. I think what dilutes the reads she does have is how many posts she has that are about nothing important, like the soup posts and the joke posts. They overwhelm her other posts imo and that smacks of wolfy behavior. Up your post count and be seen as a presence by posting a lot about nothing.

But here's the rub. Like others before me have said, if she is wolf where are her teammates? There have been plenty of opportunities to run up a wagon on someone else. Did they give up early and are bussing her or voting on off wagons? It just doesn't feel right and that's a concern I have, though I still read her as scummy. I will vote her for now but read some other folks that I have null reads on and evaluate them.

Also I'll put together a reads list and post it.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
you know full well I am town and yet you are hopping on with empty reasons like I'm memeing a lot

nope.
What should I have seen about you that would let me know "full well" that you're town? My mind is not a closed door so talk to me.

If Hazelnut was dead who would you vote for rn gth?

Poison is town btw.

Shit, I could get behind a Tutuu or MR vote just based on the last few posts.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:19 pm Drwilgy mafia
Sprityo mafia

Lazy lines.

Yeah I'm not sure if I agree with Herm's Odd suspicion.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:02 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:45 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:44 am juliets continues to be town.

sprityo's beetlejuice is noted.

If nutella is scum what the hell are her buddies doing? Are they just leaving her to twist in the wind when there are viable counterwagons to push? I'm getting cold feet.
Because she's your teammate?
Don't be absurd. If I wanted to dismantle the nutella wagon, I could have. I'm on it and I gave some very detailed analysis of why it was the correct choice. I'm just pointing out something that makes me uncomfortable, not saying we should all switch to JPIC.

Just poking you. I'm in agreement with you.

But on the other end, it's unsettling for me to have dropped a RVS vote on Hazelnut, slowly grow suspicious of her over the night then wake up to see everyone else has as well. "Did someone take my RVS and put another vote on it to gain pro scum or pro town momentum?" Is my line of questioning.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:58 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:56 am
Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:46 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:42 am Hasn't evolved via reading since I logged off yesterday, but here's my list after sleeping on it:

Feel good about Mac, Hally, and Ted

Feel bad about Tim, Alison, tutuu, Nook and Hazelnut.

I don't recall why I felt that way about Tim, but something was off.

Nook and Ali were in a strange bucket of (maybe TMI) from them, the counter argument being "TMI may not exist in this game as scum may be hunting the rogues."

Tutuu felt off and angling was weird.

I don't remember what red flagged me on Tim.

Hazelnut felt detached.
This is a post perfectly structured for someone who rand mafia.
You disapprove?
You feel disapproved?

I do. Perhaps you do tell me why the structuring is that of a rand mafia?

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:46 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:42 am Hasn't evolved via reading since I logged off yesterday, but here's my list after sleeping on it:

Feel good about Mac, Hally, and Ted

Feel bad about Tim, Alison, tutuu, Nook and Hazelnut.

I don't recall why I felt that way about Tim, but something was off.

Nook and Ali were in a strange bucket of (maybe TMI) from them, the counter argument being "TMI may not exist in this game as scum may be hunting the rogues."

Tutuu felt off and angling was weird.

I don't remember what red flagged me on Tim.

Hazelnut felt detached.
This is a post perfectly structured for someone who rand mafia.

You disapprove?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:44 am juliets continues to be town.

sprityo's beetlejuice is noted.

If nutella is scum what the hell are her buddies doing? Are they just leaving her to twist in the wind when there are viable counterwagons to push? I'm getting cold feet.

Because she's your teammate?

I suppose sleeping on it did evolve alittle bit... As Tutuu and Tim have decreased in my suspicion and Hazelnut has increased.

Thus it feels weird that the thread seems to want that.

Hasn't evolved via reading since I logged off yesterday, but here's my list after sleeping on it:

Feel good about Mac, Hally, and Ted

Feel bad about Tim, Alison, tutuu, Nook and Hazelnut.

I don't recall why I felt that way about Tim, but something was off.

Nook and Ali were in a strange bucket of (maybe TMI) from them, the counter argument being "TMI may not exist in this game as scum may be hunting the rogues."

Tutuu felt off and angling was weird.

I don't remember what red flagged me on Tim.

Hazelnut felt detached.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:02 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:00 am Uh oh.

Thats 24 more pages than when I last left off. I see Hazelnut is in the lead with votes. Do tell why?
She likes French onion soup

That's understandable.

Was wondering if it may have been because of her general detached tone I felt yesterday. The fluff wasn't very fluffy but still felt like fluff.

Uh oh.

Thats 24 more pages than when I last left off. I see Hazelnut is in the lead with votes. Do tell why?

YAY JULES IS IN THE GAME NOW!! HI JULES!!

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:08 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:04 pm
Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:01 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:59 pm Please kinkshame me Hazelnut... I NEED it.
Dr. Wilgy what kind of a doctor are you?
How about I show you...
Sure!?

Alright, but we should go somewhere more... Private perhaps in a spoiler?

Spoiler: show

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:05 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:50 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:30 amRe: Wilgy: I dunno. They could be town who disagrees with me or something, they could be mafia, like, it would be reaching too thin if I try to force a read here just cuz u ask me MacDougall-sama. Sorry!
Lol tutuu is actually scum.

That's Nanook and Tutuu down.

Don't worry, I'm still sheeping your scum ass.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:01 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:59 pm Please kinkshame me Hazelnut... I NEED it.
Dr. Wilgy what kind of a doctor are you?

How about I show you...

Please kinkshame me Hazelnut... I NEED it.

I'm like half caught up. Half not. Didn't read pages 12-15 I think and skimmed most of 17 and 18 unless I was being interacted with.

I'm actually confidently reading a town Ted here. Idk exactly why but I think his lines are coming from a town perspective.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:47 am i'm about to go to bed but i'll be around tomorrow to flesh out my reads. my goal for today is probably going to be finding 5-7 people that i can townlock. if i can get a solid towncore today then this game will be a lot easier

Flesh

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:15 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:32 am I was more clowning Ted than attacking him, but will take a town read any way I can get it. I am in a sort of 'low intensity, just get town read and save the town from mischopping me, do serious work later' headspace.
this is also town tbh

I suppose I don't understand why this is town. I saw the same merit provided by [mention]Master Radishes[/mention]. Fill me in please.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:00 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:56 pm Engagement with me about our differing opinions would have been expected of a civ IMO (rather than engagement with Mac.)
nah

im not gonna walk up into someone's face early d1 and be like "DUDE WE SEEM TO HAVE OPPOSING OPINIONS ON THIS PERSON. URE OPINION IS WRONG HAHA AND MY OPINION IS RIGHT HAHA" and stuff

i would do it if the person in question was in danger (like i did / will do with tedxtr) but like i figured mac is pretty safe and obv town

like i laid out my reasons for townreading mac publicly, u laid out yours for scumreading him, i think i ignored yours, i think you ignored mine, im cool with that resolution

But I never said why lol

Ah... I forgot Tim. Tim goes in my maybe scum pile as well.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:51 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:46 pm Tutuu re'd Mac for an assurance/answer that held no weight and didn't engage me.
tf u want me to do dude

i didnt scumread u

"i am wilgy and i think tutuu is scum because she didnt choose to arbitrarily scumread me for some third-party-related reason that goes against her own reads"

Engagement with me about our differing opinions would have been expected of a civ IMO (rather than engagement with Mac.) I did not expect a scumread, and a null is acceptable in this state of the game, but direction of said engagement was funky.

And I'll have you know I am in fact a galaxy brain. Your memes are absolutely correct.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:46 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:42 pm From where I'm at (page 8) tutuu's feels more content forcing than genuine generation that I saw in the last game. Mac doesn't have the same tang.

Yours feels different from Hally's as well.

Why Mac and Hally specifically?
Because Mac and Hally townread us?

Like surely if you think Mac and Hally are obvtown and both of them are telling you that tutuu/Alison are obvtown, you should pay a little attention to it unless you think they're awful at reading us, which they aren't.

I have quite abit of experience with Mac being incorrect.

And don't get me wrong. I'm not ignoring their reads, but I'm not going to be swayed away from my own reads without proper reason.

Even now Hally has made me feel better about Tutuu.

I must say, I dislike your opposition to differing opinions here. It feels like you are invalidating mine by means of reads of others. In a world where the others are also town, are our reads not all of equal value?

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:27 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:53 am Here's where I'm at,

Town:
Ted
Hally
Odd
Mac

Not town:
Nanook
Tutuu

MAAAAAYBE Alison? Depends on conditions.
tutuu is like firmly in her town meta atm. i’d be very surprised if she’s wolfing

Suppose I'm not as familiar with the Tutuu then.

Still...

^

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:08 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:50 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:30 amRe: Wilgy: I dunno. They could be town who disagrees with me or something, they could be mafia, like, it would be reaching too thin if I try to force a read here just cuz u ask me MacDougall-sama. Sorry!
Lol tutuu is actually scum.

That's Nanook and Tutuu down.
need you to explain this one please

The directional motive of this comment was scummy. Mac wanted tutuu to engage me on our different views. Tutuu re'd Mac for an assurance/answer that held no weight and didn't engage me.

Urks me the wrong way it do. If this is a Tutuu Mac pocket, as Alison put it, this is the behavior I'd expect.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:55 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:53 am Here's where I'm at,

Town:
Ted
Hally
Odd
Mac

Not town:
Nanook
Tutuu

MAAAAAYBE Alison? Depends on conditions.
Can you please explain how it is possible to townread Hally and Mac and scumread tutuu and myself?

Like we've played with each other a few times, we know each other and if we townread each other really strongly there's a reason for that. But also do you genuinely believe that tutuu and Alison the wolves successfully worked together and pocket and deceive Mac and Hally over the possibility of them just being, y'know, right?

From where I'm at (page 8) tutuu's feels more content forcing than genuine generation that I saw in the last game. Mac doesn't have the same tang.

Yours feels different from Hally's as well.

Why Mac and Hally specifically?

Here's where I'm at,

Town:
Ted
Hally
Odd
Mac

Not town:
Nanook
Tutuu

MAAAAAYBE Alison? Depends on conditions.

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