The Syndicate

sig wrote:Ummm I had my vote on the same civ twice, that should count for something. Especially since I was first on him both times.

Sig, you just tried to argue a rainbow list based completely on vote record... Why?

sig wrote:Ummm I had my vote on the same civ twice, that should count for something. Especially since I was first on him both times.

Sig, you just tried to argue a rainbow list based completely on vote record... Why?

It did, It placed you below Elo. The two players underneath you did the same thing.

I think it's time we lynch my pet Sig... this makes me sad.

S~V~S wrote:You aren't much acting like you,Wilgy. Not sure what that means, maybe nothing; you're one of those people who likes to mix it up. I think of you as kind of sweet; you are a little harder this game.

Lol, I wasn't actually serious, kinda wanted to see how people would respond. I got impatient though and wanted to talk vote analysis. I mean... Since when does the doctor get discouraged from someone not discussing what he wants? That'd just be silly :P

Day 1
Bubbles - Scotty
DFaraday - Sorsha
Dom - DFaraday
DrWilgy - Elohcin
Matt - sig, sprityo, nijuukyugou, Quin, thellama73
Quin - Long Con
Sig - Matt
Thellama73 - S~V~S, Sloonei, Bubbles, DrWilgy, G-Man, DrWilgette

Day 1
Mrs Tem - Bubbles
Mr Tem - S~V~S
Cakes - DrWilgy, DFaraday, DrWilgette
Bern - sig, Elohcin, Scotty, Quin, Dom, Sorsha, nijuukyugou, Soneji, G-Man
Gis - Matt

organizing players, and ranking thier votes:
~ DrWilgy, DrWilgette, Bubbles, have all voted for both a baddie and then a unconfirmed
~ Gman & SVS are the only two players to have both voted a civilian and a baddie
~ LC only voted once and it was on an unconfirmed
~ Dfaraday voted for an unconfirmed twice
~ Scotty and Sorsha both voted for an unconfimed and a civilian
~ Eloh, Sig, Niju, and Quin have all voted for a civilian twice
~ Dom and Soneji both missed the vote then voted for a civilian
~ Sprityo voted for a civilian and then missed the vote


Now... if I compare who each player voted for to the list I made above, I think I can make a useful (Vote only) based rainbow list:
DrWilgy
DrWilgette
Bubbles
G-Man
SVS
LC
DFaraday
Sorsha
Scotty
Eloh
Sig
Niju
Quin
Sprityo
Dom
Soneji

Does anyone else want Elo to respond to me? I'm starting to feel like I'm wasting my time playing this game. This isn't about whether anyone agrees with me or not (I could still be wrong for all I know), It's about how I can present things and everyone seems ok with the subject matter not responding.

LC, who do you think are the 3 remaining.
SVS hbu?

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Quin, Sig & Scotty. What do you think of one another?

LC you wanna fusion dance and become DrCon?

How could I say no?

Fu...sion...HA! *bend sideways with index fingers extended*

Fu...sion... HA! *bends sideways with left index finger extended, but accidentally curls the right*

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Okay this is my theory. I think Matt is bad bad bad. I think Wilgy is bad bad bad. Last game I was in with Matt he was bad. He tunneled me like nothing I've ever seen before. Anyone remember that? He talked about no one and nothing by getting me lynched. I think he and Wilgy are bad together and I think he has convinced Wilgy in BTSC to tunnel me this game. I am voting Matt today. If he isn;t lynched, I will vote him tomorrow. And the next day. And once he is lynched I will go after Wilgy. If you hate that I am going to play the game this way, hate it. I don't care. I REALLY think I am right about this and I am not letting Matt survive all game as a baddie again.

So... this was pretty strong stuff from Elohcin. I don't think she would be this bold as a baddie, to state her intentions to sink Matt come hell or high water, knowing he is a Civ. I'm open to other ideas on that front, but that's my impression on this: misguided and a little disgruntled from a previous game, but not malicious.

Boy was I wrong wrong wrong. This makes me wonder if I was wrong about Dr. Wilgy. I am now unsure. I am a bit busy atm and will be this afternoon. But, I will read the thread during Simon's wrestling practice this evening and thoroughly catch up. I kind of feel like I need to go back even and look at everyone from a new perspective.

Or how about you respond to my theories on you Eloh.

Quin, Sig & Scotty. What do you think of one another?

LC you wanna fusion dance and become DrCon?

Buwazah zah zah...

I miss Matt.

Current baddie predictifier
Eloh, LC, & Sig.

Eloh - I explined thoroughly.
LC - his Llama shaped cornucopia filled with odd interaction + former pings.
Sig - There's been sightings of Llama temmie interaction but for some reason I'm still not inclined to lynch Sig. That's baddie Sig. Civvie Sig would've been mislynched.

Honestly it's still between you and Eloh in my head right now LC.

Talk to me bae. I missed you while you were a pig.

S~V~S wrote:So he wasn't bad. Not sure why he made that post, but OK.

New observations need to be made. Looking foward to LC talking. Good Night

Linki,SONEJI WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT IS IN THE ROLES, it is a specific thing, holy shit,lol. Just read them.

Implying they haven't already been made.

LC! I look forward to your megapost! Also... Dear... Explain yoself!!

Adios amigo.

I'll miss you.

Jk lol, bye Bern!

Matt nooo!! Plz Take me (or Eloh) instead!!!

What was the purpose of your post then?

oh... also Eloh, you forgot to respond to my theories and thoughts about you. That made me feel like more baddie bugs were dripping off you...

Eloh angle! I present to everyone, the ELOVIDENCE!
Part one: Eloh's awakening into a life of crime

Elohcin wrote:So far I am seeing a lot of pointed fingers for what seem to be silly reasons and even silly thoughts about if this or that behavior means that person is bad. I'm not trying to pick on Matt here b/c there were others as well.

Matt wrote:
soneji, yeah, I made a role claiming joke about Scotty with his tying comment, but it really did ping me too.

Also, is G-Man the type of player who always has some fun on Day 0/1, or should we be worried that his Haiku thing is some kind of sinister plot to destroy the town? Hrm.

G-Man wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Scotty wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Chaos seeding - planting the seeds of chaos and disorder.

All I saw from you Mr LC was pushing something that would've been considered rule breaking. It's one thing to borderline rule break yourself but supporting the dorty actions of others just feels scummy.

Linki - Hi Scotty. Wanna team up again this game?

Last time I asked that of you and I was bad.

Does that mean you are bad this game?

Idk, everytime I've asked I've been good so...

@Elo ypu can't go wrong with a LC or G-Man vote...

I beg to differ
Trying to recall if your
Civ game is this gruff

So far I am reading LC and G-man as good. You had surgery? I hope everything is okay.

Wilgy, I see you voted for yourself. Why? I hate when people vote themselves. No offense, but I think its kind-of stupid. I usually end up voting for the person who voted himself.

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote: I think Scotty is Civ. I think Long Con is a dangerous man to mess with. And also, Long Con is a Civ, so stop trying to lynch him please.

Long Con, you are always so tricksy. I hope you are not tricking me today.

exactly my thoughts as I read this.-Agrees with Llama, possibly validating a teammates banter.

Back to misguided finger pointing, I think Wilgy seems the most wrong atm as I read through his posts.

I'm reading wah wah wah wah wah wah from sloon. -Claims all Sloon was doing was wah wah wah wah... when sloon was one of the leading pushers of teh Llama lynch. This is what had originally pinged me. Stating that Sloon was just wah wah-ing in the context of what the wah wah-ing really was means that Eloh was soft defending Llama here, without mentioning names.

thellama73 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:We are back home from our mini vacation. I'm exhausted and injured, but had a wonderful time . I will catch up now.

Looking forward to your input, Eloh. What do you think of Wilgy, Long Con, Matt, Sloonei, and Soreji in particular?

I think wilgy is either misguided or bad. I think LC is a tricksy player but I am not seeing anything of too much concern so far. If you aren't seeing naything so far, why did you agree with Llama earlier? I think Matt is a nut , definitely a toss-up. I think sloonei is sounding like Charlie Brown's teacher. Tossing the "Ignoring this player card" on the one confirmed civ we have now, who was also a Llama lynch supporter still. We really ought to come up with a catchy word/phrase for this type of behavior. Its when someone is posting and using good amount of words but isn't saying much at all. Soreji? Did I miss his/her posts?

G-Man wrote:Elochin absent
No fan of "I'm catching up"
Will cut slack today

You try staying active in the thread while at a kids museum with three little constantly looking in all directions, counting to three over and over again. We were having family time, sir. But I am home now with a stupid bruised coccyx. I am no longer a teenage, that's for sure :/ So I will have plenty of time to be involved as I lie here on my side with ice on my butt.

SO I know this post wasn't super organized but more of a modge podge of my thoughts. But I have a three year old who keeps asking me to read him a book. So it is what it is.

Part 2: The death of a Llama

Elohcin wrote:Wow. Awesome result. I am also glad I was not around at the end. I may have voted to save llama b/c I am easily tricked by him.

Following Llama's death Eloh posts this. Now it's WIFOM to go into whether or not what Eloh would've done, but what part I believe is true is the fact Eloh wasn't here. If she is triple head bro, it would make sense that Llama wasn't saved.

Part 3: a respite...

Elohcin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:*submits kill onto Matt*

Matt wrote:Wilgy, gimme a name and I'll submit it.

Is it wrong that I was to lynch wilgy and Matt even if they AREN'T bad?

This is when I feel Eloh truly hit hyper tunneler mode, even before the declaration of intent to tunnel. Feels bad to me considering my theory from earlier which I re-explain later.

Part 4: A declaration of war

Elohcin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

thellama73 wrote:What does DF have to do with any of this?

Nothing. It was a throw away vote on someone who had no votes. Sorry if you're civ but I didn't want to get involved in the close vote/ tie situation.

GOT iT!!! sriracha is a non-commital type of baddIE!!

Games solved! Lets eat CAKE!!!

Okay this is my theory. I think Matt is bad bad bad. I think Wilgy is bad bad bad. Last game I was in with Matt he was bad. He tunneled me like nothing I've ever seen before. Anyone remember that? He talked about no one and nothing by getting me lynched. I think he and Wilgy are bad together and I think he has convinced Wilgy in BTSC to tunnel me this game. I am voting Matt today. If he isn;t lynched, I will vote him tomorrow. And the next day. And once he is lynched I will go after Wilgy. If you hate that I am going to play the game this way, hate it. I don't care. I REALLY think I am right about this and I am not letting Matt survive all game as a baddie again.

So, notice between the past two quotes. Eloh had shifted from "Even if they aren't bad" to "bad bad bad and bad bad bad" I don't think the "Even if they aren't bad" was needed in the previous post, and was a contradiction caused by a baddies forced perspective that happened to slip into the thread.

The other big part about this argument that I still think merits baddie behavior is this: Eloh establishes quite dominantly in this post that she will begin to tunnel. Tunneling happens to be a part of the main suspicion towards me. I believe that it is a contradiction in itself to be made aware of baddies through an action and then decide to follow through the same action.

a small example of why this makes no sense to do can be like so: Civ A explains the faults in voting "no lynch" but then proceeds to vote "no lynch"

If a civillian is aware of baddie behavior or faults that lead to the belief of baddie behavior, would the civ CONSCIOUSLY participate in the self defined baddie behavior?

Part 5: The Threat

Elohcin wrote:

G-Man wrote:Call me crazy but
Eloh sorta sounds like she
Is trying too hard

So you want me to start acting like a nut like everyone else then?

While it's not hostile at first glance, this is simply a threat on G-Man. Eloh is stating here in reaction to suspicion: "Do you want me to put you in the same baddie bin as Matt and Wilgy?" to dissuade G-man from pursuing.

And thass why I feel bad about Elo. Much love tho <3

Elohcin wrote:

G-Man wrote:Call me crazy but
Eloh sorta sounds like she
Is trying too hard

So you want me to start acting like a nut like everyone else then?

Ok, Eloh's bad. Putting my vote back there.

Hmm... I like the point Sig raised about Triple Head Bro...

Matt would aslo be a player who was missing at EoD.

I thought Matt Llama were a thing anyways (I could ship it at least) but Soneji brings up a good point against Sig...

*Scratches head*

Voting Bloops

What's good everyone?

Those are responses valid and I feel good about them. I guess we will see.

"X is the reason why I think someone is bad, I'll do X" Is the root cause of my thoughts. It feels like a contradiction that a civ wouldn't do because of X already being defined as baddie behavior by the player that defined X.

Theory theory theory....

*Wilgy spins quickly and paces off, his labcoat looked really cool as he did this*

Most of my thoughts come from the idea that baddies are more likely to ctrlF thier name than civvies. Something like that would definitely cause this reaction.

Lying or not lying, I don't see civ perceiving my actions that way. I think my actions would best be perceived like how Quin did in terms of civ like nature. "Hard to read due to my all over the place attitude"

Which is almost the opposite of tunneling.

Dom, SVS, Quin, and Sig what do you specifically think of this part here:
I guess the gist is, if Eloh thinks that Matt and I are bad based on me tunneling (which matches Matt's meta), a civilian wouldn't resign themselves to tunnel as a response to baddie tunneling.

Does this match civ behavior?

Can someone please chime in on my Eloh thoughts. My perspective is a big part of it, so if multiple people think through/reexplain it thier own way I'll be able to judge my opinion better.

@Hosts: Would Mr.Radish's ability still work the phase after he is NK'd?

linki - I've been murked while silenced before and it kinda felt like one of those "It is what it is" type situations, but I guess it boils down to opinion though. "Which is the worse of the two evils?" type question I guess.

S~V~S wrote:LC is silenced. Bad or not bad, that is unbearably bad form.

Ehh... Ok, I can semi-support that. I just don't like the idea of letting baddie gimmicks work. Sets a pad precedent if he were to get away with it.

Elohcin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:I have returned from colleg and am no longer a Tem. (thank god)

Eloh, do you actually think I'm tunneling you?

I think you've let up a bit since I announced my theory.

Lol, Eloh, that's not going to fly. You gotta look harder for reasons to throw suspicion my way.

I'm down for lynching LC or Eloh today.
LC - Llama interactions noted earlier, I had baddie vibes from him yesterday.
Eloh - Casting weak suspicion on me, while apparently not reading my posts. Stated that her effort won't go past lynching Matt and I. If someone has a problem with tunneling, I think it would be best to do actions that are... y'know Not declarations of "I'm going to tunnel this game!"

to go into further detail on Elo:

Elohcin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

thellama73 wrote:What does DF have to do with any of this?

Nothing. It was a throw away vote on someone who had no votes. Sorry if you're civ but I didn't want to get involved in the close vote/ tie situation.

GOT iT!!! sriracha is a non-commital type of baddIE!!

Games solved! Lets eat CAKE!!!

Okay this is my theory. I think Matt is bad bad bad. I think Wilgy is bad bad bad. Last game I was in with Matt he was bad. He tunneled me like nothing I've ever seen before. Anyone remember that? He talked about no one and nothing by getting me lynched. I think he and Wilgy are bad together and I think he has convinced Wilgy in BTSC to tunnel me this game. I am voting Matt today. If he isn;t lynched, I will vote him tomorrow. And the next day. And once he is lynched I will go after Wilgy. If you hate that I am going to play the game this way, hate it. I don't care. I REALLY think I am right about this and I am not letting Matt survive all game as a baddie again.

A incorrect statement about my actions. I don't think I've played the tunnel game, seeing as I've already tried to pin 3 players at a time for being on the same team. I think that would've been apparent from a quick read on me, but someone please let me know if I'm incorrect here.

Elohcin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:I have returned from colleg and am no longer a Tem. (thank god)

Eloh, do you actually think I'm tunneling you?

I think you've let up a bit since I announced my theory.

I also think that this was just made up on the fly. Considering that I don't feel like I've changed my subjects since the announcement, and that now Eloh has to pay attention to me she is only now realizing that I wasn't tunneling her.
A declaration of "I'm going to tunnel now". I don't see how this has any civ motivation or intention. It's one thing to state with urgency "HEY LET'S LYNCH MATT, I ALREADY HAVE TEAMMATE THEORIES ON HIM!" but stating it the way you did, means that you are placing yourself in a area of little to no effort outside of that circle you formed for yourself. What will you do if Matt were to flip civ? would you continue with this plan? you seem quite set on it considering that "If you hate that I am going to play the game this way, hate it."

I guess the gist is, if Eloh thinks that Matt and I are bad based on me tunneling (which matches Matt's meta), a civilian wouldn't resign themselves to tunnel as a response to baddie tunneling.

A point that helps is that I feel like baddies are more inclined to respond when their name is tossed than others. I don't think many others have tossed Eloh's name in the potential pot of baddies, but when I tossed her name in she began to think that I was solely targeting her out of fear of being caught. Err... She behaved how I expect a baddie to behave in this situation.

I have returned from colleg and am no longer a Tem. (thank god)

Eloh, do you actually think I'm tunneling you?

Elohcin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:NOO!! do not lynch hooman MATT first!!! hoOman MATT listens to tem!!!

lynch PIG LC, hoomans CUUUUTE!!! pig NOT cute!!

This used to be such an intellectual game. It challenged me. What happened?!

NOOs!! It's still smart!!

Dr.Tem went to colleg an maked u prouds!!

NOO!! do not lynch hooman MATT first!!! hoOman MATT listens to tem!!!

lynch PIG LC, hoomans CUUUUTE!!! pig NOT cute!!

YAASS!! remaining bad hoomans are LC, ELOH, an MATT!!

Elohcin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

thellama73 wrote:What does DF have to do with any of this?

Nothing. It was a throw away vote on someone who had no votes. Sorry if you're civ but I didn't want to get involved in the close vote/ tie situation.

GOT iT!!! sriracha is a non-commital type of baddIE!!

Games solved! Lets eat CAKE!!!

Okay this is my theory. I think Matt is bad bad bad. I think Wilgy is bad bad bad. Last game I was in with Matt he was bad. He tunneled me like nothing I've ever seen before. Anyone remember that? He talked about no one and nothing by getting me lynched. I think he and Wilgy are bad together and I think he has convinced Wilgy in BTSC to tunnel me this game. I am voting Matt today. If he isn;t lynched, I will vote him tomorrow. And the next day. And once he is lynched I will go after Wilgy. If you hate that I am going to play the game this way, hate it. I don't care. I REALLY think I am right about this and I am not letting Matt survive all game as a baddie again.

hOI!! do you REALLY think I'm a tunnEler?!?!?

eloH!! you just GAVE yourself awAy!!

IF!!! you've ACTUALLY been reading my posts YOU'LL see i've looked all over. the quote you pUlled, was even Me qUEstioning srirachA!!! NOOT U!!
(also since when does anyone tell me how to play? The thought of that is pompsterious!)
SVS!!! whatchu tink?

*Edit: LOL!! is that EVER out Of the nOrm?!?!

Lol, is that ever out of the norm Quin?

Sorsha wrote:

thellama73 wrote:What does DF have to do with any of this?

Nothing. It was a throw away vote on someone who had no votes. Sorry if you're civ but I didn't want to get involved in the close vote/ tie situation.

GOT iT!!! sriracha is a non-commital type of baddIE!!

Games solved! Lets eat CAKE!!!

OOH!! I could TOTALLY see Sriracha as a baddie!!!

SVS!!! you no be swayed TRICKSY hooman PIG'D himself!!

HOi!! i'm tEMMIE!!!

S~V~S wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I want Wilgy to tell me why he thinks my opinion of Llama has squat to do with him.

Hmm? I lost you somewhere. What's up?

I have been one of the few people who has been with you from the start. If you want to cosplay baddie in the thread, have fun. But please don;t play games with me, K?

bUT SVs!!! i LOVE GAMEs with you!!!

S~V~S wrote:I want Wilgy to tell me why he thinks my opinion of Llama has squat to do with him.

Hmm? I lost you somewhere. What's up?

Quin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Llama hadhis vote of several people, it is a good chunk of why I thought he was bad.

Wouldn't that make me bad as well?

Should it?

Probably by SVS's reasoning. I had move my vote a whole bunch, I even expounded upon it. I'm suddenly less sure of her if that was a good chunk.

Linki - Silly Scotty, It's me, Matt and LC.

S~V~S wrote:Llama hadhis vote of several people, it is a good chunk of why I thought he was bad.

Wouldn't that make me bad as well?

Matt wrote:Wilgster - I'm gonna leave Bubbles alone for now, as a lurker, we could use her towards endgame when she's not sure what's up, steer her in the right direction.

I'm thinking Long Con's a good bet. Yes, def Long Con.

Cool! Don't forget to submit it.

And yes Eloh! Don't kill the Doctor, hes a good guy.

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:At first I was worried G was hiding behind Haiku, but he managed to deliver in just 17 syllables per post.

Agreed, and my hat is off to him. S~V~S, you were first Llama voter -- who's your top choice for your vote tomorrow?

Not really sure yet. I have a few people I definitely trust, and a few I am a bit about.

Since I am the one with the big fat target on me (actually I think Wilgy was doing me a favor with that) I will definitely give some reads before night ends, but I am not that sure that they will be as valuable as you seem to be thinking lol. TBH Llama was total meta. He did not act anything like he acts when he is a civ. I think it was just a luck thing that I happened to be in the thread alot when he was there to notice how off he was.

Also @Eloh, got it. I thought you were asking what do I feel about being specifically mentioned in that post, not about the post in general.

Linki,not me, k guys?

I mean... It's either you or G-Man, killing Bubbles won't help our momentum. Good thing I'm most definitely a doctor.

Actually... Long Con

Idk Matt, I think it would be most tactical to get rid of a Llama voter.

Not Wilgette though, I would still like her to have more game time and experience learning.

Bubbles, G-Man or SVS.

*submits kill onto Matt*

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:LC you are no fun! I figured I was a strong civ read, so me "scum slipping" now would help me out in future games... But you'll never hear that from me

I am sometimes fun.

Pretty sure that you identifying yourself as a "strong civ read" is grossly inaccurate.

Oh ho ho ho~ still attempting to place me as a lynch target I see!

We are still lynchin Matt tomorrow right?

LC you are no fun! I figured I was a strong civ read, so me "scum slipping" now would help me out in future games... But you'll never hear that from me

Dont test her Sig... If you ever had a time to think anyone was dangerous, now would be best.

Was it really now?