The Syndicate

Good morning friends.

I'm no longer tilted, but I'm afraid I fell off the boat when I became so. All my reads now are lingering gut reads from d1. Someone toss me a lifeline or help me get my footing.

Re main two wagons:
Creature was on the early Kate Wagon. I remember something about Creature making me want to wolf read them and then the following push back for very silly reasons and then retracting.

General vibe is that this is wolf Creature.

Roxy idk. The Wagon is unlikely pure regardless of alignment. I'm just gonna say idk how to read Roxy. Felt they got me the entire time and there were no further actions I could take against the wolves before I considered the SVS Roxy team. During G-man's game, I died, noticed an akward post from unspoiled spec and realized they were a wolf then. I haven't had any of those 'tells' appear so far this game, but who knows, I think I'm just not good at the slot.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:54 pm what are worlds where bereft/wigly/seanzie/rondo are town

I'm like 90% sure not everyone calling me Wolf can be wolf, I look forward to them feeling silly when I flip.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:49 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:45 pm @Seanzie why is your game so much different than secret player list?
You'll have to elaborate on what exactly is different. I don't feel different, except for the obvious differences.

You feel more cautious in your takes.

You were very fire from the hip in secret player list, but in this game you've expressed fear on your read of me and your processes for other players seem to take more time. They are lengthier, thus at least to me, tells of a more cautionary approach to either reading or posting.

@Seanzie why is your game so much different than secret player list?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:14 pm Where's Wilgy? I feel like he's dipped this RD, and that's somewhat troubling

@DrWilgy Are you now, or have you ever been, a Doctor? Where ya's head at? I don't see you as my town core like I used to

No, I've just been committing fraud for the past few years of my life.

What dropped me out of town core? I needed to take a break from the game and such.

So back to my original postulation that there was a wolf in the early Kate wagon. Likely just [VOTE: creature] aubergine at this point. So I'll vote there before I try to catch up now. Will likely skim and ISO for a few hours this evening.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:16 pm @DrWilgy @Jackofhearts2005 if ur town please be towny

K

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:28 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:25 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:20 pm5) no jack lynch today, that is final
Not even just one bite?
maybe tomorrow bb

@DrWilgy are you familiar with the concept of basic critical thought?

Alright, I'm over this.

[VOTE: Baudib ] aubergine

Feel free to just yeet me at this point if you disagree with my suspicion here. I'm pretty toasted at this game.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:20 pm i have a headache

1) all 3 wagons d1 were town
2) this game is wolf controlled
3) i will help spf read porscha
4) i will have more control in the wagons today, opposition to that i am taking as hard wolf siding. you fuckers decided the wagons (alison/baudib/splints) and they were all town
5) no jack lynch today, that is final
6) i want a wigly wagon

I've asked multiple times why, and I still don't get an answer.

From like 3 people.

This shit is getting obnoxious.

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:18 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:16 pm Hello everyone.

EoD seemed like a clusterfuck.

Splints was a bad wagon, there was literally no data to gain from that last min wagon.
Wrong. Splints was a perfectly cromulent wagon. Allison was a bad wagon.

Clearly not, but that's just results that played out in front of us. Nbd though.

Hello everyone.

EoD seemed like a clusterfuck.

Splints was a bad wagon, there was literally no data to gain from that last min wagon.

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:47 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:45 pm Its pretty clear that we absolutely lost control over the game.
Sig's recasting of the Alison situation encapsulates that perfectly.
It all just looks mindless. Is Lucy/Mac/SPF not enough for you guys?
But. I dont actually know anyone who has the mileage besides tutuu to persuade how many ever town that actually boring established towncores of stronger players are good.
Whoa, whoa, whoa there Chicken Little. Settle down.

We didn't have a N1 town death, so that's a plus. These kind of posts are inherently scummy, as they only serve to lower morale.
Perhaps Falcon actually believes things are going dandy.* At any rate, in the Falcon/DrWilgy pair, I'm currently of the mind to vote DrWilgy over Falcon.

*my immediate reaction to the Moon card being played was that wolves used it to chop Alison. I do think this is a reasonable kneejerk reaction and hence why I dont care for SPF's questioning of Creature's stated reasoning on roxy.

Why are we a pair?

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:12 pm @DrWilgy I don't know how you go about social interactions, but i'm autistic so socializing is hard, i come into every social interaction with an agenda, usually for nothing if not for it to be normal

i am good at chess and come into an agenda before "rand"

i am strong at calculating and i've calculated out everything already, i am sorry if this is foreign play to you, but why the fuck are you doing what you're doing?

Aye, even so, if I see data pushing people certain directions, but I don't see what lead them along that path, then what am I to assume?

Like I get having a "game plan" but you've pushed for people to get off Alison and onto me for reasons I didn't see, (I asked you about these), you've jumped very quickly between multiple people and the dots do not connect to me. The only one that I have drawn a logical conclusion to you getting to is your read on Roxy, and I believe that comes from discourse in Mafia playstyle.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.
Do you really think Baudib is mafia? I'd love an explanation on this.

See above. I'd say it's like a 70% read.

Oh also the above doesn't even include the early Kate wagon shit. Early Kate wagon and me thinking Kate is 90% town now has me really think to solve between Creature and Baudib.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:04 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.
god you make my skin crawl wigly, get the fuck off baudib and alison
This post means nothing.

And no.
[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine
I still want to be voting sean but I do not like your posts recently even if tutuu has been calling you town the reasons are weak

K. This post also means nothing.

Why do I keep having to ask people why. It makes no sense.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:04 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.
god you make my skin crawl wigly, get the fuck off baudib and alison
This post means nothing.

And no.
i am town, i strongly townread baudib, why do you wolfread them?

Their suspicion on me has been perpetual and non interactive. I've stated this and attempted to interact to find if it's genuine or not as seen below:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:20 am
Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:33 am Wilgy is an obvwolf for asking pointless questions and adding zero original thought to the thread.
I'd like to point out that this one is just objectively wrong.

I came into the thread when the main discourse was Alison's claim on Kate, but provided data that was likely important to Creature/Seanzie and Lucy's alignment while also providing feedback on players that had a flow that put them a town lean.

Hell, alot of my time following was trying to figure out if creature was being disingenuous with the push back on me.

Where were you when that was going on other than saying I was a wolf with no reason?

Now I don't know if this is a W aligned push or related to something that isn't being stated from your perspective, but I'd like to be filled in to decide. I think there's a scenario where your sr makes sense but I haven't seen you present this yet. Hell I may have even missed it as I haven't done any in depth reading since yesterday.

This was never responded to in what I saw and seems pretty critical as Baudib seems content to say I'm a wolf without explanation that is sensible.

The "something that isn't being stated" was that I had TMI. I purposely gave out town leans easily to see how some players would respond. However, Baudib didn't bring up my tr on them once, but still insists that I'm wolf without reason or response.

Further this:

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:57 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:11 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:42 pm
Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:34 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:32 pm

The same can be said to literally any wolfread rn. Gotta start somewhere.
No, that's not true. Lots of legit reasons to SR a player can & do emerge D1, but to SR a player just cuz you feel they have 0 wolves in a list of 3 is utter crap
Once again, no it isn’t. Pushing wrong world views is exactly what scum do.
@MacDougall
Baudib wasn't saying Wilgy had a wrong worldview he was managing the reads quality of the player he replied to. He made no comment on Wilgy.
Well, why don't we ask him? Cuz' given the context of that convo, coupled w/ the fact that Baudi has expressed Wilgy as a SR, then I think it's perfectly natural to assume that Baudi was saying that Wilgy had a bad world view because he's scum.

@Baudib1 what say you? Did you mean or do you believe that Wilgy has a wrong world view and that he's scum?
I dislike Wilgy for other reasons but I don’t have an opinion on his wolf leans list. But if someone lists wolf reads that you think are blatantly wrong, that is indeed a good reason to scumread them. This shouldn’t have to be explained frankly.

Doesn't feel genuine.

Also early on I did point out this here:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:53 pm
Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:50 pm I don’t have any opinions on anyone’s reads lists.
That's concerning to the point of me doubting it's truth.

So I think my vote is fine based on the above. :Shrug:

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:04 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:55 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:50 pm ftr im insecure about my vote on jack and im not sure that im going to hold there

i just prefer him over the baud/alison wagons atm
What wagon(s) would you prefer instead?
i perceive the pool of creature/splints/falcon/sig as being likely to contain at least 2 wolves
I would guess you are probably correct.

I would say of the people casing/pushing me, Rondo is almost certainly town; Seanzie feels genuine; Falcon seems extremely sus. Bereft feels pure and his casing of Falcon was solid work.

Splints/sig/wilgy are flying utr.

Roxy seems rand to me; I think the pushback on Alison is likely at least partially wolf-driven though that doesn't mean much for Roxy's alignment imo.

Pretty tough to yeet mafia in this game state with 5 living so if you want to move to another wagon please @me, i'm out of posts. Who else do you trust?

You keep posting that I'm obv wolf and utr but I really don't think you've engaged with me once so far.

Don't make sense to me.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.
god you make my skin crawl wigly, get the fuck off baudib and alison

This post means nothing.

And no.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:55 pm I don't think Lucy is wolf siding, but I find myself not trusting what they are saying. It feels like there's an agenda, but idk why.
i always play with agenda, as conf town i can openly express that agenda
i can play every game like this if it wouldn't get me killed

This doesn't even make sense? Town agendas come from PRs and from overconfident conclusions. How are you possibly at a certainty at this point in the game where you can have an agenda?

Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:52 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:47 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:39 pm Greetings.

Never had the opportunity to read the past 10 pages and will be in and out during EoD.

That being the case I'm going to just review current votes and go from there while vetoing bad wagons.

Alison: Too many wolf leans to be pure I think. Jack, Sig and Seanzie are all in my realm of "could be wolf." More recent posts I've seen of Seanzie makes me doubt my earlier suspicion and I feel they are the most towny of the three.

Baudib: I town read all three of Neon, Falcon and Dennis. Good Wagon. Can be pure.

Creature: Just Mac. Could be pure.

Falcon: Bereft. While I don't have any immediate scum lean on Bereft, this is a bad wagon. Falcon is clearly in his town meta.

Jack of Hearts: SPF and Baudib. I don't really disagree with the suspicion on JoH, but I don't know if I trust Baudib as it stands. 50/50.

Porscha: Tutuu, I don't think this is a good vote, even if pure. Porscha would be an easier catch later if they do eventually wolf tell.

Roxy: Lucy, Alison, Creature. I disagree with this wagon. Likely not pure.

Seanzie: Rondo and I, though I'll likely change. Rondo is a town lean, likely pure wagon.
Who are the wolves on the porscha wagon?
There isn't one most likely.

I just don't think Porscha is a correct vote as it stands and think to veto it.
Oh my bad I meant Roxy

Creature I think.

I still disagree with the jump they made towards my slot earlier and haven't really seen anything to dissuade me from thinking they are a wolf, with the exception of likely not being on a team with Baudib due to voting Kate together early.

Like Creature and Baudib are both wolfy, but not teammates.

I don't think Lucy is wolf siding, but I find myself not trusting what they are saying. It feels like there's an agenda, but idk why.

Ah. Sniped. Not last post, but the post before.

I don't think Roxy's last post was scummy tbh.

But Roxy had me fooled in felt until the very end and it took my literal death and misyeet to find her while I was in the spec chat of LG&M.

Roxy I think can be found if you follow her thought processes and tones. I think the current is well within T Roxy reasoning.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:39 pm Greetings.

Never had the opportunity to read the past 10 pages and will be in and out during EoD.

That being the case I'm going to just review current votes and go from there while vetoing bad wagons.

Alison: Too many wolf leans to be pure I think. Jack, Sig and Seanzie are all in my realm of "could be wolf." More recent posts I've seen of Seanzie makes me doubt my earlier suspicion and I feel they are the most towny of the three.

Baudib: I town read all three of Neon, Falcon and Dennis. Good Wagon. Can be pure.

Creature: Just Mac. Could be pure.

Falcon: Bereft. While I don't have any immediate scum lean on Bereft, this is a bad wagon. Falcon is clearly in his town meta.

Jack of Hearts: SPF and Baudib. I don't really disagree with the suspicion on JoH, but I don't know if I trust Baudib as it stands. 50/50.

Porscha: Tutuu, I don't think this is a good vote, even if pure. Porscha would be an easier catch later if they do eventually wolf tell.

Roxy: Lucy, Alison, Creature. I disagree with this wagon. Likely not pure.

Seanzie: Rondo and I, though I'll likely change. Rondo is a town lean, likely pure wagon.
Who are the wolves on the porscha wagon?

There isn't one most likely.

I just don't think Porscha is a correct vote as it stands and think to veto it.

Greetings.

Never had the opportunity to read the past 10 pages and will be in and out during EoD.

That being the case I'm going to just review current votes and go from there while vetoing bad wagons.

Alison: Too many wolf leans to be pure I think. Jack, Sig and Seanzie are all in my realm of "could be wolf." More recent posts I've seen of Seanzie makes me doubt my earlier suspicion and I feel they are the most towny of the three.

Baudib: I town read all three of Neon, Falcon and Dennis. Good Wagon. Can be pure.

Creature: Just Mac. Could be pure.

Falcon: Bereft. While I don't have any immediate scum lean on Bereft, this is a bad wagon. Falcon is clearly in his town meta.

Jack of Hearts: SPF and Baudib. I don't really disagree with the suspicion on JoH, but I don't know if I trust Baudib as it stands. 50/50.

Porscha: Tutuu, I don't think this is a good vote, even if pure. Porscha would be an easier catch later if they do eventually wolf tell.

Roxy: Lucy, Alison, Creature. I disagree with this wagon. Likely not pure.

Seanzie: Rondo and I, though I'll likely change. Rondo is a town lean, likely pure wagon.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:44 am Kate townslipped. She's been using the green text all game to represent stuff that's from an out-of-game perspective and that she wants to make sure people know is genuine and not speaking from her role PM. She included "it would be a bad move for town to vote me out" in green text because she was telling the truth about requesting a sub out and accidentally said too much in her "trust tell" font.

Roxy hasn't returned and is either totally checked out of the game or totally frozen mafia. We should get rid of her because we can't leave her around generating question marks forever.

I agree. This makes me think that we should be hunting within the original Kate pile on as there is very likely a wolf there.

Bets are between Baudib and Creature.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:54 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:53 pm
Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:50 pm I don’t have any opinions on anyone’s reads lists.
That's concerning to the point of me doubting it's truth.

@Creature, we just going to ignore my reasons for my wr list that I posted earlier?

I think I don't know creatures wolf range well enough, I can postulate both "maybe I'm in argument with a town that communicates differently from my expectations" and "damn, creature is putting down some scummy posts."
The things you are choosing to focus on and talk about and place importance on just don't feel like relevant and town mindset things to me.
I kinda believe this. I a lot want to believe it because it would be funny if Wilgy was a wolf again.

How the hell is it determined as to what is/isn't relevant to a town mindset?

Am I hunting for LHF? Am I derailing the conversation?

I don't think I am in either of these cases and the argument without such data is just bad.

@Kate I hope you and the family recover quickly and feel better.

If you'd like some foot holds, can you chime in on what you think regarding Seanzies post above?

Also can you ISO Dennis and Roxy and let me know what you think?

Ehhh... Actually 40% Mac being a pain in the ass could just be his attempt to actually break through the inability for anyone to read me.

Soft town the more I think about it.

I would still like the data on their perspective re Neon and Falcon though.

So Mac read: being purposely obstinate towards my slot has me thinking wolf, or at least it would had it been anyone else.

I've noticed the same behavior toward Falcon. Not sure if that's relevant.

Mac has called me a wolf on the premise of not believing what I'm posting rather than seek the truth in an effort to solve what I've posted about.

Mac has attempted to invalidate my reads and contributions to the thread as well.

All in all feels very anti town. However, I'd not vote Mac until it's either needed or I've confirmed teammate associations as I've felt this same anti town behavior from Mac before and have been wrong about it. Mac has a tendency to be more careful as wolf I think.

Mac is probably just town. We will see. This behavior could be a response to me being correct about a teammate. I'd call this a 42% accuracy read.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:53 pm
Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:50 pm I don’t have any opinions on anyone’s reads lists.
That's concerning to the point of me doubting it's truth.

@Creature, we just going to ignore my reasons for my wr list that I posted earlier?

I think I don't know creatures wolf range well enough, I can postulate both "maybe I'm in argument with a town that communicates differently from my expectations" and "damn, creature is putting down some scummy posts."
The things you are choosing to focus on and talk about and place importance on just don't feel like relevant and town mindset things to me.

Ah, yes, let's just invalidate the data.

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:03 am Im bored.

So.

Dr.Wilgy,

You haven't appeared to notice that I've voted you and I've been your only voter for as long as I've been paying attebtion, if lucy was on you, they must've been there only briefly. Secondly, what's up your Seanzie vote? You've never bothered to develop that one, your opinion just went poof into thin air.

I noticed the vote but didn't see anything in the thread while post dashing, I'm still catching up on notifications from page 10. Figured I'd get to it when I do.

I still think Seanzie can be in the wolf range as of now. That may change as I did believe at least his take on me. It seems that there's more of a hesitation towards my slot that idk if a wolf would have UNLESS I was right on the money with my early read.

I think wolves are more inclined to post like Mac regarding my slot especially if they are familiar with me.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:26 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:35 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:45 am Porscha town due to feeling comfortable and posting analysis already in this playerlist
This looks like a clean attempt to pocket imo.
I've considered it, but since I dont really think it makes a lot of sense for lucy to make the post about try harding (especially cuz I think she is aware that myself and likely some other players here see her try hard more as wolf and not as town) if shes wolfing, I already mentally had her sorted to the town side unless something egregious changes
But maybe I'm just happy to not have the mislynch train on me early for once so whatever it can be a tentative tr that I'll keep in mind

Why does try hard Lucy equate to perceived wolf reads?

Idk if being concerned with the wagon not being on you is AI or not for you specifically. Like, I know you very much dislike when the wagon is on you wrongly (re felt) but I also generally consider wolves to be more immediately mindful of "let's not let the wagon fall on me."

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:19 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:42 am Alright, I'm caught up now.

Town are Baudib, Bereft, Dennis, Falcon, Neon, Porscha, Rondo, SPF, Tutuu

Wolves in Lucy, Seanzie, Creature
Wilgy is mafia

K. Good post mate.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:33 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:31 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:14 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:53 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:49 am So kate is dennis's mom. Thats just too wholesome. My mom has also expressed interest in playing mafia. She cant speak english. But its just too adorable. How can i vote kate. If my mom was playing with me how could i vote her?

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine
If my mom played she'd be my d1 policy vote and my n1 policy yeet.
Well she NKd me last game so that was nice of her
My point stands. Rather to yeet thy mother than to become yoted thyself.
Mac thinks your read list is trash...what is your read list btw? Maybe it is, but I'd like to have a fresh update if ya don't mind

From my skim the main things I've absorbed is data from the Roxy Alison thing and that's that Roxy is town.

Baudib, Lucy and Mac I'm trying to sort. Lucy and Mac would know that I'm a frequent misyeet and their pushes feel very undefined.

I did feel nothing of a tell from Jack and that was weird.

I think I feel better about Creature but that's kinda entirely up to Baudibs alignment. I don't see scum piling on Kate, so there's likely only 1 in the 5 involved in that early wagon.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:19 pm

@DrWilgy Join my town core homie

Considering I'm not going to attempt the same stupid shit I did in felt, I'll just catch you mid game if this is a pocket attempt, otherwise I like this 2 way town core read.

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:14 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:53 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:49 am So kate is dennis's mom. Thats just too wholesome. My mom has also expressed interest in playing mafia. She cant speak english. But its just too adorable. How can i vote kate. If my mom was playing with me how could i vote her?

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine
If my mom played she'd be my d1 policy vote and my n1 policy yeet.
Well she NKd me last game so that was nice of her

My point stands. Rather to yeet thy mother than to become yoted thyself.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:42 am wilgy - i thought towny for that derp. wilgy always hard af to read, i dont got nothing better, probably never will

I'd advise against town points for a derptell. I'm stupid either alignment.

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:33 am Wilgy is an obvwolf for asking pointless questions and adding zero original thought to the thread.

I'd like to point out that this one is just objectively wrong.

I came into the thread when the main discourse was Alison's claim on Kate, but provided data that was likely important to Creature/Seanzie and Lucy's alignment while also providing feedback on players that had a flow that put them a town lean.

Hell, alot of my time following was trying to figure out if creature was being disingenuous with the push back on me.

Where were you when that was going on other than saying I was a wolf with no reason?

Now I don't know if this is a W aligned push or related to something that isn't being stated from your perspective, but I'd like to be filled in to decide. I think there's a scenario where your sr makes sense but I haven't seen you present this yet. Hell I may have even missed it as I haven't done any in depth reading since yesterday.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:15 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:46 am Hello, good evening.

Just checking in as I haven't really read since I left earlier, just did some quick skimming.

@lucy, you advised people off Alison and onto me. Why me in particular? I don't think I saw the reason if it was given.

@MacDougall what's your read on Neon? How about Falcon? Why?
Why do you ask?

I don't think I need to provide a reason here. Why would I? Are we playing 5d chess?

Hello, good evening.

Just checking in as I haven't really read since I left earlier, just did some quick skimming.

@lucy, you advised people off Alison and onto me. Why me in particular? I don't think I saw the reason if it was given.

@MacDougall what's your read on Neon? How about Falcon? Why?

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:29 pm ughhhh why am i being TR so widely

*You're beautiful*

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:06 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:05 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:42 am So friends, asking as a man who's read nothing and is surprised at the Kate wagon being a 4 person wagon 13 hours in. If Kate is town, is there a wolf below?

Voters: Creature, tutuu, Baudib1, staypositivefriend
It's guaranteed there will be a wolf on this wagon because if Kate is town then wolves see town Alison going aggro on a new Syndicate player who is also town. They are legally obligated to hop on atp
In fact nobody picking up on my initial Kate suspicion was what solidified my read on her in the first place

I agree

Has that suspicion changed since 3 others eventually sheeped you?

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:59 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:58 pm usually i do

also there’s just always a wolf in alison/spf
I think Alison is one

Why though? Your ISO doesn't even have an explanation for this. (I checked thinking I missed it.)

I double checked Alison's reason for voting Kate and I think it's weaker than what Alison makes out to be, but still a decent enough take. I.e. I don't disagree with the conclusion that Kate has a case of wolfy waffling, but I don't think it's an obvscum tell.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:53 pm @lucy what is SR?

Silly Rodent, aka @Marmot

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:50 pm I don’t have any opinions on anyone’s reads lists.

That's concerning to the point of me doubting it's truth.

@Creature, we just going to ignore my reasons for my wr list that I posted earlier?

I think I don't know creatures wolf range well enough, I can postulate both "maybe I'm in argument with a town that communicates differently from my expectations" and "damn, creature is putting down some scummy posts."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:46 pm Wish I’d rand mafia. After a year and a half of only randing town, im probably garbage. Might as well get it over with.

Bruh you were good in Hot Fuzz.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:46 pm How does Baudib even have any reasonable idea of what the correct and incorrect world views are at this point in the game?

Well, I think it's in context to T!Creature opposing my "Wrong world view."

I still think that line of thinking is wrong. I think wolves having TMI are more inclined to support a rigid world view in general, but I could be wrong on that thought process.

Multi quoting because I'm going through my 100 faster than I'd like.

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:30 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:29 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:02 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:55 am Somebody do something to make me feel something.
I'm listening to Easy to Tame by Kim Mitchell, and got Rich Gurl by Hall & Oates qued up next.

Get hyped.

What's your take on Wilgy?
lol I think DrWilgy had a wolf list that feels like it's 0/3 so he can go
Yeah, but it's D1...weird reason to SR him IMO
No it isn’t.

Idk it kinda is. Creature expressed no interest in arguing my "0/3" and just said "wrong must be wolf"

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:31 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:23 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:07 pm I guess the players I actually townread are Baudib1, Neon and Seanzie. Maybe lucy too but need more from her.
Why on all of these?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:24 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:10 pm Alison
DrWilgy
Kate
RondoDimBuckle
sig
tutuu

should contain wolves
Why on this as well? Why do I need to ask you why for these?
One at a time please

no

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:31 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:30 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:20 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:55 am Somebody do something to make me feel something.
I'm listening to Easy to Tame by Kim Mitchell, and got Rich Gurl by Hall & Oates qued up next.

Get hyped.

What's your take on Wilgy?
What is your take on me?
You have an engagement & solve level I'd say is 65% Town
65% town is > rand mafia

what do you mean by this?

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:32 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:29 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:02 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:55 am Somebody do something to make me feel something.
I'm listening to Easy to Tame by Kim Mitchell, and got Rich Gurl by Hall & Oates qued up next.

Get hyped.

What's your take on Wilgy?
lol I think DrWilgy had a wolf list that feels like it's 0/3 so he can go
Yeah, but it's D1...weird reason to SR him IMO
The same can be said to literally any wolfread rn. Gotta start somewhere.

ok, but the starting point should have been reading what I shared and discussing it if you are town correct?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:33 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:19 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:16 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:07 pm I guess the players I actually townread are Baudib1, Neon and Seanzie. Maybe lucy too but need more from her.
You never answered this:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:56 am
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:57 am Alright Seanzie looks good page 1
Why?

Mostly post 37 felt good initiative. The rest I just scrolled through until I got to the reply box.
Post 37 would be easy for Wolf!Seanzie to fake.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:33 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:21 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:16 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:55 am Somebody do something to make me feel something.
I'm listening to Easy to Tame by Kim Mitchell, and got Rich Gurl by Hall & Oates qued up next.

Get hyped.

What's your take on Wilgy?
I have no thoughts on them.
Why do you think this is?
Because I don't feel confident in my ability to read you.

I believe these last two points.

Idk if they are AI or not.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:28 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:22 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:02 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:55 am Somebody do something to make me feel something.
I'm listening to Easy to Tame by Kim Mitchell, and got Rich Gurl by Hall & Oates qued up next.

Get hyped.

What's your take on Wilgy?
lol I think DrWilgy had a wolf list that feels like it's 0/3 so he can go
Fascinating. You'd rather call me wolf for having reads that you supposedly disagree with, rather than hashing out the reads and understanding why I'd think the way I would.
Seanzie seemed good in post 37. lucy I feel like gets mislynched often. I know I'm town. So I'm very skeptical of your wolf list.

What are you seeing on Seanzie and lucy?

I've already expressed that I find post 37 in the opposite of you. Seanzie put the list out there and I do not feel they followed those threads afterwards. It's very empty all in all and a very good way for scum to contribute to the thread while not adding any takes that are solid.

Like, I get entry reads, I do them, but they are just a means to advance the game and I don't think Seanzie followed through with that. In reanimators, Seanzie was excellent at adding data to the thread while not actually solving. I think evidence of that is to be sought out when trying to catch the slot.

Lucy I've also expressed. The town read on Porscha feels very early. Porscha is also a slot that I'm mindful of pocketing while I'm a wolf, I don't think it's hard to believe that others would do so as well.

But alas, I'm 0/3 this early in and must be wolf right?

Spoiler: show

Curious about Alison. Generally I've seen that Alison can be caught d1.

Splints on there due to wanting to give time for them to play?

Why is Tutuu on this list specifically as well?

How about Porscha/Lucy, often these players will tell shortly after d1 but I'm unsure why they aren't present on your list.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:10 pm Alison
DrWilgy
Kate
RondoDimBuckle
sig
tutuu

should contain wolves

Why on this as well? Why do I need to ask you why for these?

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