The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:34 am Wilgy, what is your present read on Jack?

He's probably bad, but like I said, I wanted to take a step back and reassess. I have been unable to do so. It's a bit disheartening.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:32 am @DrWilgy, why the vote for Lurker B when Lurker A is already solidly in the lead?

linki: k

What does it matter? What line of thinking would an answer lead you down?

I'm going to be a contrarian and vote for the other no-show.

Hi everyone. I see there's about 15 new pages. What's new. Someone catch me up.

Quick comment regarding the GTH exercise.

For everyokne that GTH'd me good. Why do you think I'm good? Under what scenarios do you find that I'm scummy? Would you say that you are mpre of a player that finds people innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent?

@elochin I'm still curious as to why you stated my comment about being able to read Daisy stuck out to you as scummy before my further explanation. What about that comment caused a scum read? Am I not allowed to be bad at reading someone?

@JoH, I'll get back to you. I've come to a point where I'm aware of my tunneling and I need to review others before I continue to bark at you. What I find interesting outside of our back and forth is your baddie read of me. What prompted this read exactly?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:00 pm At this stage i'll need to be convinced that colonialbob is town in order for me not to vote for him. Anyone got an argument?

There are too many suspicious players for Bob to be bad. Also, even when I disagree with him, I can kinda see where he's coming from.

Where is he coming from?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:35 pm Penny for your thoughts, Doc?

Sorry I was getting to it when I had left work. I had half of what I just responded to you with on my work laptop and rewrote my thoughts on my phone.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:41 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:52 pm I think you're overthinking the dancing metaphor, Doctor.

Point being, Epi is not an easy lynch, regardless of alignment and that should be taken into account when reading D1.

But why should that be taken to account? If it's non-alignment indicative what's the purpose other than to put a negative characteristic on someone?

Taken by itself, Epi's ability to avoid lynch is aside from his alignment.

It is also key to why I think Epi's accusations aimed at LC on D1 ring false and the falseness of things Epi says are very important to determining his (or anyone's) alignment.

I'm really not sure why this is such a sticking point. Seems obvious to me.

So taken with it (Which I'm assuming is context) is epi's ability to dodge lynch alignment determining? How does that make sense? Am I missing something here?

It's a sticking point because it doesn't make sense. Why mention it doesn't determine alignment when it does determine alignment to you? If the context is what determined alignment why bring up?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:17 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:51 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:10 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:05 am @Long Con Lost Again 3 comes to mind. But whatever man. I don't feel the need to prove I can play a good scum game. Especially given the fact that I am not scum in this game.

That's exactly what Scumdaisy would say.

Since DrWilgy is here (hi! *wave)
Can you please elaborate more on this specifically as I have a mixed read on Daisy so far. I have never played with ScumDaisy before.

Nothing. I'm terrible at reading Daisy.

Um...this post screams scum, wilgy.

Still reading...

Interesting. This is based on what?

To further elaborate. Daisy is just one of those players that I always read as civ.

Idk why.

Because of this I feel like part of me gave up forming opinions on her. Kinda a subconscious thing. There's generally a "How much do I agree or disagree with Daisy" that I can go through in my head. Never really a "How much do I think Daisy is civ or mafia?" Does that make sense?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:10 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:05 am @Long Con Lost Again 3 comes to mind. But whatever man. I don't feel the need to prove I can play a good scum game. Especially given the fact that I am not scum in this game.

That's exactly what Scumdaisy would say.

Since DrWilgy is here (hi! *wave)
Can you please elaborate more on this specifically as I have a mixed read on Daisy so far. I have never played with ScumDaisy before.

Nothing. I'm terrible at reading Daisy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:52 pm I think you're overthinking the dancing metaphor, Doctor.

Point being, Epi is not an easy lynch, regardless of alignment and that should be taken into account when reading D1.

But why should that be taken to account? If it's non-alignment indicative what's the purpose other than to put a negative characteristic on someone?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:41 pm How are you all doing?

Well! I missed you Marmot friend.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:27 am Please hang in there.

Mountains.

Climbing.

Hang.

I GET IT.

Before public.Wilgy(6,9).toString() forgets about this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:44 am Seinfeld and it saved my ass for at least a phase.

Okay now what about those other things I said.

What are you referring to?

Since I've given up truly catching up, I'm going to ISO the people I'm most curious of. Bless that the games been on hold though because I've been busy AF.

JOH I'm torn on these posts. The metaphor of Epi being a dancer that JoH uses felt as a forced overstatement, but I can see the argument that JoH presents Epi. What doesn't make me feel good is the stepping back to the happy middle of "Course, civvy Epi doesn't always post in good faith."

I like the conviction. Coming from a JoH that was wavering earlier this is good.

At first glance I hate this. Why are you totally OK? oh well. Let's see what I find later.

This explains where the conviction comes from, but now I understand that there was past precedent in place.
Fear - It is possible that JoH knew of this Nightvale Epi behavior and was looking to paint a similar situation.
Hope - It is possible that JoH was looking for this behavior of Epi and called him out as soon as he noticed it.

The problem I have here is that JoH has already used metaphor in a way that gave a harsh negative light. Calling Epi a dancer and portraying that is in line with my fear.

// Taking a note here because I don't think it's worth spoilering - JoH's interactions with LC are something to review if needed.
Quick conclusion here JoH. I'm unsure how I feel about this, do you still think that this was the case?

Interesting. I'll take that I'm missing some context here, but you so harshly came back to this. I do not see any questioning of manipulation either.
Are you buddying or talking with a teammate here?

This is bullshit right here. Epi is my secret lover and you can't have him.

Besides that, can you toss me towards the posts that helped you form your DDL opinion? Do you see Epi and DDL as teammate compatible?
Are you referring to me? I'm not apoligizing.

//Notes...
//Joh's quick paced ISO's did give me some insight, but I don't think that I should spoiler or comment on each.
//Overall this ISO scared me. I feel that JoH has a way of portraying things that either are forced or feel like a forced portrayal.
//Perhaps ISOing the person I had a gut bad feeling on first was a bad idea. Thoughts of how I may be tunneling are clouding my vision.
//The core of my questions really come to this "Does JoH really think Epi is bad?" and I can't say for sure "Yes, he thinks he's bad."
//Because of this, JoH is likely scum.

//Kill the liars.

//Who should I ISO next? I think Nutella or Epi would be good, I don't think I'll be able to do it until later this evening?

Guys, Gals, Peeps, things and Creatures, really sorry. Holiday weekend has been hella busy. I will be able to pursue more knowledge soon.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:44 am Wilgy stuff

Spoiler: show

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:10 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:50 pm ima vote epignosis whenever and i'd like someone to tell me why that is

Because there's too little knowledge in the game to be setting a hard POE at this point.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:05 am @Long Con Lost Again 3 comes to mind. But whatever man. I don't feel the need to prove I can play a good scum game. Especially given the fact that I am not scum in this game.

That's exactly what Scumdaisy would say.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:20 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:17 am ... I have never heard the terms "Good boys" "Bad boys" or "Wild boys" used here. Are you from an alternate reality?

It's gonna become the new thing. Just you wait.

What about Spicy Bois?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:11 am He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.

I could see all of this being applicable to Epi in his current form. But he is as crafty a townie as he is scum, so I'm not going to leap to any quick decisions on him.

There has to be a more often than not though. What can you best describe as Epi's civ behavior vs Epi's mafia behavior?

Now onto day 1.

This was Wilgy's first substantive post, and it follows the typical catch-up multi-quote string. I think this is a pretty big post which does not do anything. He answered Quin's prompt from Day 0 approximately 80 years after it stopped being relevant. He called Spacedaisy scum, sort of, and didn't do anything with it. He asked a vague question about Epi's meta. I don't know what the point of this stuff is.

Wilgy asks a bunch of questions and then poops on Sloonei for asking a bunch of questions

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:55 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:44 am Anyone want to point out that if self-preservation was my goal right now I'd just switch my vote to jack and stop trying to pull people onto my preferred target? No? okay.

No, I do this all the time as scum for Civ cred. The fact that you are pointing it out ruins it.

I just got home and still am not caught up. I'm still ok with my vote based on what I have read.

Tell me a time you did it.

Seinfeld and it saved my ass for at least a phase.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:44 am Anyone want to point out that if self-preservation was my goal right now I'd just switch my vote to jack and stop trying to pull people onto my preferred target? No? okay.

No, I do this all the time as scum for Civ cred. The fact that you are pointing it out ruins it.

I just got home and still am not caught up. I'm still ok with my vote based on what I have read.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:50 pm Not in any game I've played with you.

And Rico is a poor example, he can play normal too. He used to play quite well, and then decided to just do his gimmicks instead. I don't know why. Also, where the heck is Rico?

I'm glad you remember me for what I think to be a better part of me at least.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:52 pm Wilgy I ended up leaning more defense. I've definitely been frustrated before and defended myself with reasons that made sense to me but not others.

As an aside, I'ma vote Kyle.

Is the frustration you felt in these scenarios comparable to this? is it any way alignment indicative for you? is it alignment indicative for EPI?

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:53 pm Hehe while i do run a whole forum im still a little overwhelmed by the volume of content. That being said, no, it's nit because im scum.

I like how nutella sorted their reads. I will do something similar when i get ny kitties off my lap which is forcing me to post from my phone.

u wot m8?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:30 pm //Kyle what happened to your conviction? This doesn't feel the same Kyle that I met in Pirate mafia.

Is conviction something I had in pirates mafia? I would argue that the exact opposite is true. On the second to last day I didn't know who to lynch and almost died because of it, Speedchuck talked me into no lynching. We also lost partially because I didn't pursue my suspicion of Speedchuck on the final day.

I've been making a real effort to follow through in this game because of it.

Interesting. Perhaps I was confusing conviction with rapid adaption. My observance of you was from a smiley posting ding dong. I was the ding dong. You, however, were fun to watch because I felt like I was watching you grow in the short span of time I was alive. You were watched by a ding dong.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:47 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:57 pm It's very straight forward, usually he is cryptic and frequently unhelpful until he is under some sort of pressure because he's about to die.

Alas, Wilgy is not rico
your meaning escapes me wherefore thee bethink that
Wilgy can playeth normal
I've seen t ere methinks

tbh, I agree with this. I feel like straight forward Wilgy has been more common recently too.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:37 pm I do agree cbob that his content is helpful, I'm not inclined to discourage him from playing this way. I just don't know if I read as indicating alignment one way or another. I wouldn't be putting a vote on him today, unless something drastic changes my opinion.

linki @ Wilgy: It scares me because I don't know how to interpret it in terms of alignment. I love the content offering though, please don't let my tinfoil fears dissuade you from continuing on your current path!

Withstanding pain to read posts, waiting to catch up. I have no regrets. This was my only path. With my whole life I'm most definitely a doctor.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:51 pm Wilgy is highly unpredictable. Don't apply normal rules of logic. Wilgy is almost as unpredictable as Vompatti. Almost. Nothing is unlikely for Wilgy, everything is fair game. I'm just unsure what to do with this version of Wilgy...

It's funny that "normal" Wilgy scares you in such a way. Guess it's a good thing. Perhaps "normal" Wilgy is the advent of this game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:38 pm Long Con

Your accusation against me only works if all three of Mesk, colonialbob, and Sloonei are civilians. There is no way to know this if you are a civilian. The irony of you accusing me of "buddying" two of three is noted, because by labeling all three as civilians, one could argue that you are "buddying" three people.

The No U circle begins to feed on itself. it is only a matter of time until complete disintegration.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:57 pm @Sloonei
@colonialbob

What do you think of Epi's vote for LC?

I don't love it. He pretty clearly misinterpreted the "3 civs" thing, per your previous statement. Whether that's on purpose or just as a defense, who knows.

Cbob, did you lean towards this being on purpose or just as a defense?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:11 pm On Kyle - Obvious difference in the amount of posts between pirate Mafia and this one, even considering shorter phase lengths and the whole debacle at EoD1. Looks bad at face value, like a baddie who can't insert himself properly but I won't condemn him on that alone. We (or I) don't know where to set the baseline for his civilian game.

His content here isn't really fluff, but his thoughts haven't come together in the thread the way I'd like given the 24 hour day phases. They're not particularly useful to me as they are. I'd like some more elaborated stuff from him soon if he's up to it.

I agree with this. I was going to point out Kyle's big post regarding Epi and LC, but this sums up my thoughts well.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:32 pm Nutella hasn't always been super consistent as a townie in my experience with her. She'll speak her mind without regard for whether or not it all fits neatly together, and I've got no issue with that. I don't think I would vote for her based solely on her posts so far.

That's why I said I would need to hear more from her. nutella is very good at faking anything.

This makes me uneasy. What prompts this thought on Hazelnut?

//Taking another breather because work keeps distracting me. (shouldn't it be the other way around? isn't work the priority? why am I playing games at work? oh well)
//I feel like my catch-up is turning into another half-assed skim.
//I'm committed to actually catching up this time instead of playing the half info game, but I'm afraid I won't accomplish this by EoD, game is just moving so fast.
//I don't know how good I feel about JoH and Kyle. At first my JoH was a petty revenge joke for jabbing at the best pokemon of all time, but something isn't sitting right? perhaps it's leftover tones and feelings from pirate mafia? Am I one to allow past game tones to influence current games or is this real?
//Kyle what happened to your conviction? This doesn't feel the same Kyle that I met in Pirate mafia.

int friends = 0;

public void killFriends(){
friends = (-1);
}

public void averageDay(){
boolean isWilgyAway = true;
while(isWilgyAway){
friends += 1;
if(friends == -1){
isWilgyAway = false;
}
else {
feedfriendegg(1, egg.randomColor(), egg.randomAge(), egg.randomSmell())
}
if(friendState.get()=="Why are you forcing these randomly colored, aged, smelly eggs down our throats Wilgy?"){
Wilgy.killFriends();
}
}

public static void main(String[] args){
Wilgy.averageDay();
System.out.println("I miss my friends... why didn't they enjoy my eggs... Time to make some new ones...");
}

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:39 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:38 pm I do. I don't like killing my friends. Choosing who to take out of a game feels bad.

So do I. But this was Day 1. Nobody had had to kill anyone yet. Do you feel guilty just for having a bad role card?

Yes simply because I know what I will have to do. Looking at your role card does have an effect on the psyche, even if you don't know your teammates.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:38 pm
// I'm noticing a trend that Quin often goes under my radar. For some reason Quin's voice just doesn't stick in my head.

So I'm easily forgettable?

GTH?

I wouldn't say that your forgettable. More so just not a priority. GTH of you? Civ... Was GTH directed at me? I feel like I missed context there.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

What were you referring to here?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:40 am I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.

What prompted this read as opposed to the post regarding his behavior being non-alignment indicative?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:42 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:38 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:31 am Can you agree with both hesitance and confidence toward the same thing simultaneously?

In this case, I think so. Nutella agrees with the sentiments that have been shared by myself, Long Con, and possibly you (we still don't know your actual reasons for voting Epi). I was only asking about the extent to which she agrees.

My reasons are the same as LC. I thought he was buddying.

Fair enough.

I'll disagree. I think a day one POE is too clear cut to be buddying, and if the goal was to buddy I don't think Epi would've gone about it this way.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:35 am Of course, I do like Doc. Hes a fun fellow even if Dunsparce is lame.

And now my feelings are hurt. *voting JoH*

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:36 am Quin/Sloonei not w/w imo.

Do you still think this to be true?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:09 pm I would never do ab&c as scum and therefore the best time to do ab&c would be as scum to fool people.

Also, people get lazy.

Ergo "I am not that bad at being bad" or "I wouldn't say that if I was bad" arguement a tend to be super unconvincing to me.

I hate unconvincing arguements. That's where the hate is coming from.

When you break down all conversation in mafia to it's smallest bits all that is left is the WIFOM. Do you just hate Mafia?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:16 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

I'm not really buying the idea that she feels guilty about rolling Mafia, making it affect her very first post in the game.

WHo the hell feels guilty about being mafia anyway?

I do. I don't like killing my friends. Choosing who to take out of a game feels bad.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:12 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

Wait a minute.

How does Long Con know Mesk, coolonialbob, and Sloonei are civilians?

This.

I know understand why D1 exploded.

// Taking a break here to reflect on personal thoughts.
// Why does Sloonei have so many questions, yet I feel like he has no read yet at this point?
// Because of this I think I agree with DDL.
// At this point the players that have taken my interest so far are LC, Epi, Sloonei, DDL
// I'm noticing a trend that Quin often goes under my radar. For some reason Quin's voice just doesn't stick in my head.

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Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:50 pm ima vote epignosis whenever and i'd like someone to tell me why that is

Because there's too little knowledge in the game to be setting a hard POE at this point.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:05 am @Long Con Lost Again 3 comes to mind. But whatever man. I don't feel the need to prove I can play a good scum game. Especially given the fact that I am not scum in this game.

That's exactly what Scumdaisy would say.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:20 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:17 am ... I have never heard the terms "Good boys" "Bad boys" or "Wild boys" used here. Are you from an alternate reality?

It's gonna become the new thing. Just you wait.

What about Spicy Bois?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:11 am He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.

I could see all of this being applicable to Epi in his current form. But he is as crafty a townie as he is scum, so I'm not going to leap to any quick decisions on him.

There has to be a more often than not though. What can you best describe as Epi's civ behavior vs Epi's mafia behavior?

Now onto day 1.

*Puts on a latex frog costume*

Time to get serious.

And I just realized it's Night 1. Read the poll and thought day 1 ended tonight at midnight. Whoops.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:52 am What LC potential scumslip?

The "how does he know they are townies" bit?

Epi had cause and effect reversed.

Just jumping in. I don't even know the context.

Would Epi reversing cause and effect reveal anything about his mindstate?

Holy shit guys.

17 pages.

666 replies?

Hold tight.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:33 pm Yeah but I don't have a read on you yet.

(I don't actually have a read on Sprityo, either. I'm just poking him.)

Why like him instead of me?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:47 pm How come Mars gets to have such a big mountain?

It's not about size, more so how you use it.