The Syndicate

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:58 pm How in the flying saucers are you Sig and tutuu all town.

Explain to me.
Explain.

No it literally does not make sense.
Here let me give you a sample of this world.

So first we assume Jack is scum. Then lets add Sabi.
Then mmm, well ooh how about Dennis.
Then okay so we need at least one in Seanzie and SPF, and then ooh one in Falcon and Porscha.

IDK abt you guys but Im not getting to Jack/Sabi/Seanzie/Falcon worlds.

I don't think that Sig and Tutuu are both town though?

I don't think this world can exist in this gamestate.

Tutuu being town would open Jack wolf more I agree. Sabi can effectively fit in most slots if I'm wrong about the Kate spew (and this is a concerning thought).

I really don't think Falcon makes sense as W still.

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:47 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:40 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:38 pm Sir, bussing exists.
kk, and what indicates that this is a bus?

What part of me even pushing for creature yesterday indicates that it's a bus? You can't just call something a bus without actually doing the legwork to provide reason. If it was as easy as that town cred wouldn't be a concept.
Sir, if you're not going to justify that its not a bus, then anyone is free to consider that you and creature is a possible world, and they may even justify that its a likely world by saying POE there's no other wolves for you to not buss anyway.

Your entire argument is just barely restrained OMGuS rn. If you really believe Sig/tutuu is non w/w then get me to 5 wolves please. Show me how you're going to achieve this.

I don't care about any disassociations unless I'm >90 percent confident on them otherwise there's no point for me in worldbuilding.

I think there's more than enough chains of thinking to build associative reads. I'm almost impressed by the lack of dif check and policy arguments this day cycle.

how am I, to justify what is and isn't a bus, of my OWN thinking. That doesn't even make sense? Should I link you to my ISO?

Restrained omgus yes, but also you keep doing things that I feel are inherently anti-town when building your read on me.

Sig w world:
Sig
Creature
Porscha
Bereft/Jack
SPF/Seanzie

The wolf team for Tutuu is alot more fickle which is why I think to solve in Sig/Creature land:

Tutuu w world:
Tutuu
Seanzie/Mac
Porscha?
Sabi
Creature/SPF?

Simply put, I'd need to be wrong on my Sabi read and potentially wrong in Seanzie/Mac for Tutuu to be a thing. Hell, Mac probably doesn't make sense because of the events of last cycle, but I'd need to reassess the gamestate upon Tutuu flipping W.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:43 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:12 pm @staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature
This is my gth solve.
@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?
Go for it.
kk, so for both you and @Jackofhearts2005 how in the hell am I aligned with both sig and creature? Seems lazy.
The argument goes like this.

Tutuu has a wolf pov. Creature is not doing anything town Creature would do. Wolves.

Sabi’s evaluation of my evaluation of Tutuu was the most noncommittal wolfy nonsense. Wolf.

Wilgy using bad arguments to say Sig/Tutuu are not both wolves. Ergo, Wilgy and Sig also wolves.

Am I certain it’s Tutuu/Wilgy/Creature/Sabi/Sig? No.
Is that my best guess at this moment? Yes.
A townie incorrectly put in that solve can and should try to make their way out of it.

Idk about Tutuu being a wolf PoV. I understand your perspective on it, but I don't fully agree to the read.

I agree with the Creature read.

Sabi I still think has town merit for Kate's posting, but at this point I do not desire to bring Sabi into lylo.

How are my arguments bad? I don't this Sig would feel the need to place a vote on a teammate where 1. it's not needed, 2. unlikely to give them any credit. It doesn't make sense for Sig, in the moment of the vote, given the context, to bind themselves to a Tutuu vote.

Tutuu, isn't going to place their teammate in the 2nd slot of their PoE if that slot is not heated. Tutuu would take the bus VERY hard or not at all.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:40 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:38 pm Sir, bussing exists.
kk, and what indicates that this is a bus?

What part of me even pushing for creature yesterday indicates that it's a bus? You can't just call something a bus without actually doing the legwork to provide reason. If it was as easy as that town cred wouldn't be a concept.

Like, it's this shorthand non-response that lacks meaning that immediately wants me to go back to putting you in a wolf lean. I still think our worldviews are similar though so this gut reaction may be wrong.

@MacDougall, I do not wish to add to your distress about this game by pointing out what I did.

You are either burnt town, which I can understand makes it more difficult, OR you are AtEfull wolf. The way you are treating my slot can be reflective of either, and I'd love to argue worldviews that help us find scum.

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:38 pm Sir, bussing exists.

kk, and what indicates that this is a bus?

What part of me even pushing for creature yesterday indicates that it's a bus? You can't just call something a bus without actually doing the legwork to provide reason. If it was as easy as that town cred wouldn't be a concept.

I have quite literally just been wanting Sig/Creature to go over today on the concept 1. most likely wolf. 2. They help me find Tutuu on flip.

Have my posts really been that hard to decipher?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:12 pm @staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature
This is my gth solve.
@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?
Go for it.
kk, so for both you and @Jackofhearts2005 how in the hell am I aligned with both sig and creature? Seems lazy.
Instead of making me figure out why I'm supposed to disassociate you why don't you give me the evidence to the contrary in an accessible format instead of just being snarky over some micro interaction I might have missed?

Literally read what I've posted today. How can I be your top scum read if you can't even do that?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:30 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:27 pm Also, lol Mac doesn't have a real read on me regardless of his own alignment.
You are my top scum. I have zero agreement with any of your solve. I don't buy anything you are saying any time you actually attempt to solve. You townread my scumreads for no reason and are trying to solve using abstract world concepts instead of pointing out what is simply suspicious.

So no. Spare me.

k, and just go ahead and keep calling me scum while not discussing with me those concepts you call abstract. By all means go for it. You have shown 0 incentive to actually engage with me and my world views, but somehow oppose them so much that I must be wolf.

Also, lol Mac doesn't have a real read on me regardless of his own alignment.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:12 pm @staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature
This is my gth solve.
@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?
Go for it.

kk, so for both you and @Jackofhearts2005 how in the hell am I aligned with both sig and creature? Seems lazy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:12 pm @staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature
This is my gth solve.

@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:35 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:33 pm Why is Jack being in poe but people reluctant to voting there?
Because I’m an unyeetable townie and I’m oh so charming.

Please read my recent exchanges with Tutuu and give me your thoughts.
I am struggling to see both of your pov in that argument.

he is quite charming.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:33 pm Why is Jack being in poe but people reluctant to voting there?

there are 4 other wolves and the PoE is still large? Seems like a silly statement my friend.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:34 pm Why are Tutuu and Sig not aligned though?

To be in a wolf of where Tutuu is mafia and Sig and you are both town, there needs to be a wolf in my 6 top townreads.

Which isn’t impossible but maybe unlikely? Idk.

Because I don't think W Tutuu puts their teammate directly behind the easy yeet in this following quote:

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:23 am Final post for this day phase i jave work & wanna go 2 bed early

My legacy:

I think ROXY and SIG are outed and consensus mafia in anti-spewing

I think CREATURE, FALCON, PORSCHA are the final 3 mafia, all have various degrees of townreads on them (ive cased everyone earlier in d3)

JACK is my least confident townread, if im wrong earlier, get JACK

WILGY im more confident in townreading but his standing with everyone isnt good. If im wrong earlier, get WILGY but i much rather u kill in order

Everyone else i believe is considered consesus town / towncore

ROXY > SIG > CREATURE > FALCON > PORSCHA > JACK > WILGY is my preferred order of chops if i was all powerful and could control the chop from the grave

If town gets the doctor card tonight pls consider using it on me

Dont flashwagon anyone. ROXY is in anti spewing. Dont throw the game

Good luck and godspeed

P.S.: dont trust CREATURE'S bullshit that he cant be mafia with SIG and ROXY. Their "scumreads" on each other were terrible, awkward and are what made me think theyre mafia in the first place. Distancing is a concept thats well known to all of us

Also I don't think Sig moves to the Tutuu wagon last cycle if they were aligned.

While Tutuu was unlikely to go over, I think Sig would rather just avoid potential bussing if unneeded. This is exactly why Sig voting Tutuu over Creature makes no sense given the context that Sig though Roxy was a wiff.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:24 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:08 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:53 pm Getting massively tilted at my townreads being here, me making a point and then they all disappear without addressing it except Bereft.
My brother, I do believe I've elaborated that I see what you are saying but am afraid to be wrong. What is your opinion here? Am I incorrect to pursue more data on Tutuu by desiring a solve on Sig/Creature?
Kinda? Maybe?

Like…I appreciate you saying you see it but I feel like it’s gotten more blatant.

Also, didn’t we switch from
Jack: Creature or Tutuu
Wilgy: Tutuu or Sig
To
Jack: Tutuu or Creature
Wilgy: Creature or Sig

How did that happen right when I started pointing out Tutuu being wolfy?

Like I can’t think of wolf motivation for that switch, especially if Creature and Tutuu are both wolves anyway but ya know

So, when I said this, it was mainly due to Tutuu/Sig not being aligned. Idk if I expressed properly that this doesn't make me sure of a dif check, but I'm growing more confident in it slowly.

My perspective on Creature/Sig being a team and both wolves hasn't really changed. I don't THINK that I'm wrong on them, but that being the case invalidates the Tutuu suspicion.

I recognize that I may be wrong, and Tutuu may be the wolf, but even with what Tutuu is doing now (which I think justifies your position), I am not good enough at reading the Tutuu without associative data.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:53 pm Getting massively tilted at my townreads being here, me making a point and then they all disappear without addressing it except Bereft.

My brother, I do believe I've elaborated that I see what you are saying but am afraid to be wrong. What is your opinion here? Am I incorrect to pursue more data on Tutuu by desiring a solve on Sig/Creature?

I think I've slimmed down the "first wolf in X poe" to Creature, Sig, Tutuu, Porscha.

Jacks towny
Bereft is towny
Dennis is towny
Falcon is towny
Sabi is towny
Mac is towny

SPF and Seanzie I won't solve without a more absolute Poe.

I recognize that my towny calls are likely to at least contain 1 incorrect read. Mostly deterministic upon Tutuu's alignment.

So what's your current world view @Creature? Hit me up dood.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:37 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:33 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:32 pm I swear to God that a rule should be made against making w/w speculation until at least one wolf has flipped. That's just not useful and often wrong.
This is just false and discourages discussion.

[VOTE: creature ] aubergine
I'm literally being paired with sig and Jack for ??? reasons

I feel like it's brashly being used to push mislynches without any good reason

It's not useful if there's no wolf flip and would be better to just find a wolf first and only then make associations

Good thing I think you are a wolf independently of anyone else at the same time can draw team conclusions eh?

Like they were both wolf leans before the discussion this day, but alot of what they are saying and pointing out I just kinda agree with...

Should probably just listen to my gut and restore them to town leans in my head.

Like...

I get Jack's point.

I'm just far too afraid to be wrong on misreading Tutuu I think.

If we have more phases, I'd rather be wrong on the Creature/SIG wagons then explore Tutuu after.

But I get Jack's point and am seeing townish Jack out of this now.

Both Bereft and Jack may be playing me this round, but if so they are doing a good job of it.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:32 pm I swear to God that a rule should be made against making w/w speculation until at least one wolf has flipped. That's just not useful and often wrong.

This is just false and discourages discussion.

[VOTE: creature ] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:27 pm @Seanzie
@staypositivefriend
@DrWilgy
@falcon45ca

Ya’ll see this, right?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:21 pm [VOTE: spf] aubergine

Details for me brother. Plz. I feel that you've dropped off but we're my anchor townie.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:15 pm i dont make w/w sense with anyone but jack and wilgy

haters will hate on this simple fact

I find this to be false.

The W reads you send that are later reds such as Porscha are where I'd expect you to hid a teammate.

Maybe there's even one in SPF or Seanzie. Idk.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:14 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:09 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:04 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:55 pm SPF, what’s your current solve? Preferably without me in it.
bereft mac lucy town

creature/sabi/jack/tutuu contains 2-4 mafia

wilgy/falcon contains 0-1 mafia

sig/porscha/dennis contains 0-1 mafia

this might be a confusing readslist but sometimes breaking the game into tiers like this is helpful for me
Is Falcon just duping me then?

This whole Wilgy Falcon dynamic that is bothering several people doesn't make sense. Could it not we have a good read on each other?

What arguments have been made to the point of either of us being wrong or deceitful in our reads on e/o?

"sig/porscha/dennis contains 0-1 mafia" doesn't feel like a genuine take either.
your dynamic only bothers me in the sense that you and falcon are the two players who i have individually had the most trouble getting reads on in this game, and i think that both of your playstyles are uniquely difficult for me to read. i do not think you are both mafia, and i think it is possible that we live in a world where you are T v T, which is why i put you two into a separate tier and why i said that you two might contain zero mfia

can you explain to me why "sig/porscha/dennis contains 0-1 mafia" doesn't sound like a real read to you>? i'm saying that because i think porscha is likely to be town for meta reasons and i think dennis is likely to be town because i dont believe someone playing their 3rd game as mafia would be able to wolf this well and i thnk sig has a decent chance of being town because of the feeling that the way he treated roxy doesn't come from a position of TMI (which is, admittedly, my weakest read)

but i dont think im correct about all of those, so my approximation is that there's probably one wolf in that pool of 3

I don't mean to sound rude in this statement, but recognize the nature of what I am about to ask. Have you legitimately tried to read my slot? Do you find yourself giving up on doing so? I only ask because other players I've seen to directly quote and interact with me more often.

Falcon and I aren't even a T v T thing. Falcon and I seem to have formed consistent reads on e/o as town, there's no headbutting going on there.

The 0-1 on those three is what I doubt. I feel that your statement is very noncommittal but with the further discussion I can believe abit more. For example... If it's 0-1 there instead of just 1, that opens the possibility of 0... In which case idk dood are we just playing a 4 wolf game or something in your head?

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:13 pm I think Bereft/Lucy/Mac/Porscha is always town and even after sacrificing so many townreads I still don't want to get rid of these.

Then among the rest of the players, the following are not partnered:

Dennis Sig
Seanzie staypositivefriend
DrWilgy falcon45ca
Kate tutuu

The remaining players are Jack and Creature.

Try to make a team of five wolves here. You end up just picking one form each pair like I said. The alternative is dumping Jack and Creature together.

This line of thinking is very familiar and I find myself finally agreeing with you to the point of being AI.

Going back to [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:12 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:10 pm @DrWilgy

You’re the only player voting Bereft that I think has room to be a townie.

Please vote Creature or Tutuu. We’re forcing w/w wagons today. Thanks!
@DrWilgy no dont do it keep it steady

dude bereft is like jeff bezos. jack is like his executive PR guy. and we're amazon warehouse workers. i dunno about u wilgy but im tired of having to piss my pants every day

I too piss my pants.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:10 pm @DrWilgy

You’re the only player voting Bereft that I think has room to be a townie.

Please vote Creature or Tutuu. We’re forcing w/w wagons today. Thanks!

Eh, I'd rather it be Sig/Tutuu for reasons I've stated above.

I could swap off Bereft for Sig I think. Maybe SPF but idk if I'd move for anything else.

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:05 pm Here's the dynamic I've observed.

Creature + Sig is a possible team pairing. Porscha chiming in on me like 3 times after I started going after Sig is noticable but I'm not ready to call it team indicative at this moment. Bereft can fit on this team.

The other end there's a world where it's Jack and Tutuu. The entire dynamic in Jack Tutuu is just so strange to me. Bereft doesn't fit on this team. Dennis doesn't fit on this team.

Does SPF make sense on either of these possibilities? Hell if I know, but I think it's worth sorting so I raise it as a potential discussion point.
I'm pairing both of those worlds. Is there an issue with that?

See above. Sig/Tutuu is not W/W.

Creature/Tutuu also unlikely W/W, but I'm not as confident in that call.

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:05 pm I think I'm supposed to read tutuu's push on me and in general their entire behavior today as just outing as powerwolf.

Ehem, Seanzie.

I at minimum trust Kate over tutuu. When I worldbuild off of tutuu mafia however, I just get most of the obvious suspects. I don't actually think Dennis/Falcon/Porscha/Seanzie are wolfing with tutuu here. I however, do not think I'm right about all the obvious suspects being scum however because thats just too obvious.

I don't trust sig.
I don't trust Wilgy.

I don't trust Jack.
I don't trust Creature.

And I'm mostly at a loss as to how go about finding a villager in these 4 if any.

I find myself in agreement with your trusts here (except the obvious).

Tutuu being a wolf would invalidate Sig being a wolf tho I think.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:04 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:55 pm SPF, what’s your current solve? Preferably without me in it.
bereft mac lucy town

creature/sabi/jack/tutuu contains 2-4 mafia

wilgy/falcon contains 0-1 mafia

sig/porscha/dennis contains 0-1 mafia

this might be a confusing readslist but sometimes breaking the game into tiers like this is helpful for me

Is Falcon just duping me then?

This whole Wilgy Falcon dynamic that is bothering several people doesn't make sense. Could it not we have a good read on each other?

What arguments have been made to the point of either of us being wrong or deceitful in our reads on e/o?

"sig/porscha/dennis contains 0-1 mafia" doesn't feel like a genuine take either.

Here's the dynamic I've observed.

Creature + Sig is a possible team pairing. Porscha chiming in on me like 3 times after I started going after Sig is noticable but I'm not ready to call it team indicative at this moment. Bereft can fit on this team.

The other end there's a world where it's Jack and Tutuu. The entire dynamic in Jack Tutuu is just so strange to me. Bereft doesn't fit on this team. Dennis doesn't fit on this team.

Does SPF make sense on either of these possibilities? Hell if I know, but I think it's worth sorting so I raise it as a potential discussion point.

Tutuu over here whispering sweet words of murder into my ears.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:29 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:16 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:12 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:08 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:46 am I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.
From those saying Roxy was in anti-spew I noticed SPF and Tutuu. We're there any others to your knowing?

Felt like that would've been another easy means to push, but would wolves double dip on the argument?
I don't know. It's easy to hide behind a general sense of "Roxy is the obvious hang" which was playing out yesterday.
I agree, but I think that the arguments used to make the wagon validated are important.

If it really was between SPF and Tutuu that used the anti spew argument, then I think we should solve in there, but holy hell idk how I would SPF and Tutuu are hard for my smol brain
bereft was the very first one to suggest she's in anti spew lmao

This is why I ask these things lol. I'm aware I can miss these facts.

If that opens up the argument to Bereft/SPF/you then I don't think I could solve in those three.

Why would Bereft not indicate this fact and continue to lead me to think otherwise though?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:19 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:56 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:20 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:17 pm @Seanzie @Creature talk to be about SPF
If there aren't at least two wolves in SPF/Mac/Bereft, the game makes no sense.
What makes this list possible?

I think that there's one wolf between them, but I'd be very surprised to see 2 in these 3.
I don't see the game going the way it has if that group is mostly town.
I disagree.

I think this game is indicative of in fighting between town more so than deep wolf coaching town to do ill. Maybe one is doing so, but not more so.

Thus Jack/Sig I think need to be dealt with at this juncture.
you think jack/sig are causing the most fighting between town??? surely that's not what you're saying lol

Not causing. That's just town being a bunch of dinguses.

Enabling yes.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:24 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:59 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:34 pm

Okay I'm done with you. I pleaded with you to work with me yesterday and you ignored me. I'm burying you today.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
From my POV, you have not tried to work with me at all. I explained my case on you yesterday and you just called it illogical and then got upset and started AtEing. Since you've used similar AtE on me when you were a wolf in the past, you burned the one "I'mma drop it in case this is real town frustration and not manipulative AtE" card you get. I don't think I've been rude to you, and I get how this game can get heated at times, and I believe your frustration is probably genuine, but I also know you expressing frustration in the thread is NAI, so you can't expect me to just change my reads because of it.

Bury away.
You have given me zero opportunity to explain my mindset to you in a way that could persuade you to change your read. I have been very townie. You have been a town killing machine and accusing me of the opposite. You should actually reevaluate me properly if you are town. I made a day 1 solve you quoted and questioned me on that so far has had 3 town flip from my towncore and 0 mafia. Largely players you've pushed. Either you're a cause or complicit in the destruction of the town wincon in this game imo.
I've suspected town, but I have not killed anyone. Who have I pushed that then got chopped because of it?

You can say my reads are shit, but town killing? no.

Why are you letting town from your towncore flip so easily?
Oh yes I forgot I control every vote in the game.

I literally created a wagon day 1 to try to save them. Fuck off.
mfw this is wolf theater.
your face when this is wolf theater

(there's no way)

idk dood. After the Mac v Sabi theater a couple of games ago, I'd put anything on the table from Mac's slot re bickering with teammates.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:46 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:10 pm like. Sig could've voted Creature.
but how do we figure out if sig knows as wolf she's gonna flip town and doesnt vote roxy to look better off wagon and say he told us so, instead of just joining the wagon to confirm a town goes over?

the only thing is that roxy.... was not looking like they were going to keep really playing much. worrying about her not towning up and contributing later in the game if she doesnt flip, even if he thinks she's town, isn't particularly enticing, so

I agree with the later. Roxy's drop off is what had me think "maybe I'm wrong" in spite of that not being of the wolf tells I was looking for.

Creature was I think, a real yeet possibility at 5 votes had some players dropped off Roxy at any point. I think that would've undermined Sig's "I'm correct on Roxy" at the same time maybe put a vote on their teammate.

I don't think we should be playing from "well Roxy was always going over" as that was not the case, Creature had some real momentum at a point in the day.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:55 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:28 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:24 pm How is tutuu being a wolf ignored in all of this.
Is it being ignored?

It's definitely a possibility, but I think it's a gamble I'd be very shaky on.

Tutuu's conviction towards alot of slots could very much be TMI.

The thing that may support this is that all of the slots Tutuu wrs are what I'd think are very *safe* and apply to people that are 1 unfamiliar or 2 often misread.
who in the wr's are you thinking of here? and how do you mean "safe"?

I've seen a wr on you, Roxy, Sig, Creature, and even I'm on the list in a 50/50.

I don't think that these players carry a thread weight as much as others we've had and still do (Mac and Seanzie for example). I.e. they are safe.

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:15 pm Why am I being read for emotion reasons and not for like, my reads? I genuinely feel like everyone is ignoring me now

Block posts are hard for me to hold onto.

It's easier for me to gauge your intent from them, but harder for me to hold data on why. Simply put I need to redo some reading on your slot, but I do not wish to discourage you from doing your thing.

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:12 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:08 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:46 am I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.
From those saying Roxy was in anti-spew I noticed SPF and Tutuu. We're there any others to your knowing?

Felt like that would've been another easy means to push, but would wolves double dip on the argument?
I don't know. It's easy to hide behind a general sense of "Roxy is the obvious hang" which was playing out yesterday.

I agree, but I think that the arguments used to make the wagon validated are important.

If it really was between SPF and Tutuu that used the anti spew argument, then I think we should solve in there, but holy hell idk how I would SPF and Tutuu are hard for my smol brain

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:46 am @DrWilgy
@Seanzie
@falcon45ca
@Jackofhearts2005
@Creature
@sig

If you had a bullet who would you kill? If you had a vest, who would you shield?

A Sig shot I think would lead the game in the correct direction. Especially on me finding Tutuu. Plus Sig is just likely wolf.

I'd shield you. Falcon doesn't make sense as a NK I think. You've become my other tr that I can't really shake or at least wouldn't shake until much deeper in the game (if we get there).

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:08 pm @DrWilgy dude im begging u vote for dennis. Please

Idk. I still think Dennis is town for reasons as Bereft put. Mostly a vibe tell.

I think there are better pushes than Dennis even if they are wolf.

(Same position I think I put you and SPF currently.)

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:46 am I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.

From those saying Roxy was in anti-spew I noticed SPF and Tutuu. We're there any others to your knowing?

Felt like that would've been another easy means to push, but would wolves double dip on the argument?

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:51 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:55 am i would like people to give me their opinions on wilgy and falcon please
Have not changed from they're clearly unpartnered and would rather vote Wilgy who probably TMI'ed Falcon town.

Falcon's town spew is just playing the game.

I tried to see if I could be wrong or if their meta was possibly going to be used as a "gotcha" in the recent game felt and that worked out horribly. I have no further reason to think Falcon would somehow break his meta at this junction.

Like, just find a game he was wolf in to compare. I'll try to get one later if needed.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:30 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:28 am the reason why im scumreading you now (in this moment) is because you just put me in your immediate POE in spite of townreading me consistently throughout the game, and you put bereft in that POE as well even though you have also been townreading bereft, and it feels to me like you are taking advantage of the shitty threadstate to inject more paranoia into the game, and not actually interested in solving or figuring things out
wait a sec how did u write this post in a few seconds?!??! i was just boutta reply to ur first one and then this pops up

did u pre-wrote this post and then hit submit fast?

how much is ur wpm typing speed?

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:54 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:52 pm [VOTE: sabi] aubergine
Still think this is bad dood.
Bad vote, or bad me?

Bad Vote. You are still town.

I think I can believe that there's 1 between Jack/Creature.

But man, my gut is screaming that there's one between Sig/Tutuu.

Mainly because I acknowledge that the scenario where I'm wrong about Sig only exists if they are correct about Tutuu I think.

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