The Syndicate

Fair enough.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:21 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:17 pm I will feel awful if you are town for saying that.

please dont (feel awful)

this is a sign that mafia games are toxic

mafia is a game. games are supposed to be fun

if you are in a situation where you'd feel awful in a game - something went wrong

dont ever feel awful for misreading me or mischopping me or scumreading me or pressuring me or anything

that's the game we're playing, that's what we do

if u are afraid of some kind of a reaction or a clapback from the person ur wrongly scumreading - thats their fault for being toxic. it's got nothing to do with u

please, dont ever let people make you feel bad for scumreading them in a game

and have fun

Tutuu you are always a pleasure to play with btw. Ty.

Also now that Rondo's flipped, Pyxxy's whole "what if Rondo is role fishing" is very weird. I'll need to think on this.

Does someone have a reference to the primary reasons Pyxxy was being sussd yesterday?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:46 pm WWA
dennis
porscha
seanzie

lily
nook
neon

wilgy
falcon
pyxxy
sabi

I saw and digested abit of your assoc analysis, but is there a reason why you think I'm scummy in isolation or is it all based on team analysis?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:57 pm If you want to conf bias me leaving you be Wilgz as scum motivated then go ahead. I can't change your mind.

I can't win in any situation because eif I kept pushing you I would be scummy. If I give you breathing room I'm scummy.

Fuck me.

I don't think that I'm at the point where I'm conf biased at this stage, I needed to understand why I may have this guy take and I think I've accomplished that at least now.

I think it's also not a matter of pushing me vs giving me room, it was how you interacted with me. You gave me room yes, but we're in a negative stance. You asked for my opinions on the low posters specifically and I don't know why. You've also not actually interfaced with the reads I have made implying that I'm just copying someone else. I want to know why you think these things, not that you think them.

I hope that makes sense. I don't mean to make you feel damned if you do damned if you don't because I totally get how that could hurt wim.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:55 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:52 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:30 pm @DrWilgy i never tried to set up sus on you.
I was pushing you to do something I can read you based off because you were literally giving me nothing to read you on.
Why are you being disingenuous?

Perhaps saying set up a sus was incorrect on how to voice how I felt, but more so forcibly leaving my option open with somewhat lukewarm responses to me.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:39 am Good morning,

WWA claim seems believeable

I'm whelmed at Wilgz catch up but eh I will give him a few days

Aro literally dip out of the thread in the weirdest way possible (OK maybe I'm conf biased)

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:13 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:08 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:01 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:38 pm

It isnt the only part of my argument at all. The situation isn't identical, is my argument. Rondo and syn were the only real pushers on lucy day 1 and day 2 last time. This time the entire threadstate barring rondo wilgy and I guess kate, are SR'ing her.

You postured option 3) shes a wolf getting sr'd by a lot of townies.
How likely do you believe this option to be than the other 2 I put forward? I think on day 1 when you are working with someone who is a capable wolf, it is unlikely they are caught like this without straight up slipping or getting unluckily mech'd on a n0. There was no slip or n0. I believe that while option 3 is always *possible*, is it the *least likely* of the options. Even if you really truly believe lucy is wolfing, I believe you would think my option 1 is more likely than option 3. Option 3 is lazy.

Porscha is also town. Sweet.

Love to hear a hot take from you (with explanation)

I have read this page and skimmed the page prior. Porscha appears to be thinking and you appear to be tonally matching your town game. Everyone else is still pretty NAI.

It seems that Lucy has accrued alot of thread tension. IDK how to read it, but if it's legitimately a copy of what happened in Hedgehog as explained by Tutuu, I would like to know what the thread thinks to do with this to generate data. The game loss in hedgehog was not from the fact that we didn't yeet Lucy, BUT more so we didn't resolve the tension created by Lucy thus negating the amount of data town had to work with.

This just feels like cotton candy.

None of this is stuff that literally wasn't said already in thread. Where's original Wilgz thots I know and love?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:50 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:13 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:08 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:02 pm

Love to hear a hot take from you (with explanation)

I have read this page and skimmed the page prior. Porscha appears to be thinking and you appear to be tonally matching your town game. Everyone else is still pretty NAI.

It seems that Lucy has accrued alot of thread tension. IDK how to read it, but if it's legitimately a copy of what happened in Hedgehog as explained by Tutuu, I would like to know what the thread thinks to do with this to generate data. The game loss in hedgehog was not from the fact that we didn't yeet Lucy, BUT more so we didn't resolve the tension created by Lucy thus negating the amount of data town had to work with.

This just feels like cotton candy.

None of this is stuff that literally wasn't said already in thread. Where's original Wilgz thots I know and love?

I have read two pages and do not have the data.

Perhaps fill me in?

... You can read wilgz.

You aren't impressing me. You are too busy trying to cozy up to people and not actually solving. Do something

I don't think it's disingenuous to note that instead of poking and prodding my takes that you thought were empty, you just called them meh and moved on. I don't think that's actually wanting to solve me.

Because my focus was on lucy and your stuff was fine for D1. You are the one that asked for space and time to read the thread.
I gave you that. I even gave you an olive branch.

What scum motivation I have to push you in back burner when I know I would die early this game because it needs to happen for game state reasons? You don't think I would be pushing you instead?

Aye, but I also asked for help getting my feet into the thread. I still feel half lost honestly.

Why do you think you'd die early for gamestate reasons? You don't think that there was enough weight between you, Tutuu, Neon and Lucy that may drive the resolve tension away from you?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:30 pm @DrWilgy i never tried to set up sus on you.
I was pushing you to do something I can read you based off because you were literally giving me nothing to read you on.
Why are you being disingenuous?

Perhaps saying set up a sus was incorrect on how to voice how I felt, but more so forcibly leaving my option open with somewhat lukewarm responses to me.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:39 am Good morning,

WWA claim seems believeable

I'm whelmed at Wilgz catch up but eh I will give him a few days

Aro literally dip out of the thread in the weirdest way possible (OK maybe I'm conf biased)

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:13 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:08 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:01 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:38 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:34 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:27 pm Lol, are you serious? That is not at all how I recall day of hedgehog going.

If rondo wasnt a broken record about lucy she wouldnt have had that issue in the first place, and like you pointed out earlier, she only had 3 votes and the threadstate was not that hard against her;
Who else really besides rondo and syn were pushing lucy? Rondo was right in that she was probably doing some kind of reaction to being caught early, but you'll notice she never actually gave up because she was aware that nobody was really believing in rondo. She really kinda pulled herself up by her bootstraps tbh

so you're arguing that since this time lucy gave up for real and left she's town now?

i suppose it's not impossible, but this gameplay is so unfun and unreasonable. it's not fun to play like that, not fun to try to read it either

It isnt the only part of my argument at all. The situation isn't identical, is my argument. Rondo and syn were the only real pushers on lucy day 1 and day 2 last time. This time the entire threadstate barring rondo wilgy and I guess kate, are SR'ing her.

You postured option 3) shes a wolf getting sr'd by a lot of townies.
How likely do you believe this option to be than the other 2 I put forward? I think on day 1 when you are working with someone who is a capable wolf, it is unlikely they are caught like this without straight up slipping or getting unluckily mech'd on a n0. There was no slip or n0. I believe that while option 3 is always *possible*, is it the *least likely* of the options. Even if you really truly believe lucy is wolfing, I believe you would think my option 1 is more likely than option 3. Option 3 is lazy.

Porscha is also town. Sweet.

Love to hear a hot take from you (with explanation)

I have read this page and skimmed the page prior. Porscha appears to be thinking and you appear to be tonally matching your town game. Everyone else is still pretty NAI.

It seems that Lucy has accrued alot of thread tension. IDK how to read it, but if it's legitimately a copy of what happened in Hedgehog as explained by Tutuu, I would like to know what the thread thinks to do with this to generate data. The game loss in hedgehog was not from the fact that we didn't yeet Lucy, BUT more so we didn't resolve the tension created by Lucy thus negating the amount of data town had to work with.

This just feels like cotton candy.

None of this is stuff that literally wasn't said already in thread. Where's original Wilgz thots I know and love?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:50 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:13 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:08 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:01 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:38 pm

It isnt the only part of my argument at all. The situation isn't identical, is my argument. Rondo and syn were the only real pushers on lucy day 1 and day 2 last time. This time the entire threadstate barring rondo wilgy and I guess kate, are SR'ing her.

You postured option 3) shes a wolf getting sr'd by a lot of townies.
How likely do you believe this option to be than the other 2 I put forward? I think on day 1 when you are working with someone who is a capable wolf, it is unlikely they are caught like this without straight up slipping or getting unluckily mech'd on a n0. There was no slip or n0. I believe that while option 3 is always *possible*, is it the *least likely* of the options. Even if you really truly believe lucy is wolfing, I believe you would think my option 1 is more likely than option 3. Option 3 is lazy.

Porscha is also town. Sweet.

Love to hear a hot take from you (with explanation)

I have read this page and skimmed the page prior. Porscha appears to be thinking and you appear to be tonally matching your town game. Everyone else is still pretty NAI.

It seems that Lucy has accrued alot of thread tension. IDK how to read it, but if it's legitimately a copy of what happened in Hedgehog as explained by Tutuu, I would like to know what the thread thinks to do with this to generate data. The game loss in hedgehog was not from the fact that we didn't yeet Lucy, BUT more so we didn't resolve the tension created by Lucy thus negating the amount of data town had to work with.

This just feels like cotton candy.

None of this is stuff that literally wasn't said already in thread. Where's original Wilgz thots I know and love?

I have read two pages and do not have the data.

Perhaps fill me in?

... You can read wilgz.

You aren't impressing me. You are too busy trying to cozy up to people and not actually solving. Do something

I don't think it's disingenuous to note that instead of poking and prodding my takes that you thought were empty, you just called them meh and moved on. I don't think that's actually wanting to solve me.

If I had a nickel...

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:24 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:22 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:18 pm oh yes i forgot to mention

another reason why i think sabi could be mafia is just sheeping lucy

before lucy had a meltdown - her reads all seemed solid (except maybe pyxxy town i forgot if she townread him)

other than that - they all seemed right. she was confident sabi is maf

So you think rondo got NKd cuz of sabi sr and that Lucy had to have been right on sabi sr?

im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:22 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:22 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:05 pm OK maybe I'm an idiot and bad at mafia. I was going to come in and say I don't think it's Rondo.

I'm not going to push anyone or do anything because my reads have been shitty.

I'm quite lost.

why were you going to come in and say you don't think it's rondo?

your point was very good that he could have had TMI on lucy town, or he had nefarious reasons to inexplicably townread her

He probably tr'd her for the same reason I did

It made sense to me if that means anything. I wouldn't be surprised if others subscribed to your townspew theory.

@Neon was it you that I had asked about Sabi? Did you ever fill me in there. I'll go back and check later if not, but I see you around lol.

I had asked because when I joined the thread Sabi's take on me felt almost predatory, and further instead of asking me to observe players that'd actually get me involved, I was asked to look at Kate and Falcon.

Sabi has just kinda kept me as an option to sus I think without actually having that suspicion.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:05 pm OK maybe I'm an idiot and bad at mafia. I was going to come in and say I don't think it's Rondo.

I'm not going to push anyone or do anything because my reads have been shitty.

I'm quite lost.

Pretty convenient that the person you said there was a dif with Lucy on got shot eh?

Saves you some work right?

Good night

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:03 pm caught up here's you go

Dennis - towny > scummy meh > scum
DrWilgy - scummy > towny > town
falcon45ca - scummy > towny
Kate - scummy > kinda feel like Dennis is TMIing her town
Lilypetal - town > towny
lucy - scummy > scum > scummy > scum > scummy > Arogame > scummy
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - towny
Neon - town
Porscha - town > lock town never rescind
pyxxy - scummy > scum
RondoDimBuckle - scummy > towny
Sabiplz - scummy
Seanzie - scummy > towny
tutuu - scummy > towny > scum
WindwardAway - scummy > towny > town

Can you fill me in on Sabi and Nook in this list?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:53 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:52 pm What I think is neat is that there's been plenty of people calling Nook scum but not a single vote on him.

Is anyone feeling that there should be votes there but there's a resistance occuring?

There were votes on me earlier, as many as 4 iirc

I see. Okie dokie then.

What I think is neat is that there's been plenty of people calling Nook scum but not a single vote on him.

Is anyone feeling that there should be votes there but there's a resistance occuring?

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:52 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:12 pm For post game cred the team is aro/nanook/tutuu

your brain is so sexy. I really feel this read rn lol

Does this make sense from the perspective of Tutuu was fanning the Lucy debacle, per Rondo's opinion on that?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:12 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:12 am @Seanzie, going through your ISO I noticed that you have suspicion on Me, Nook in current, but you also earlier had a suspicion on Kate.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think all 3 of us haven't read the game fully. Do you find that the thread is being generally townie and that would lead to yeeting the slankers?

Is the reason to hit Aerogame the same as it was for Lucy or did that evolve?

My suspicion on Kate was from like Page 1. They haven't really trended up, but as they say, it is now a cold take.

Not having read the game does not excuse not having at least some in-depth content.

I am not ready to give a read of the entire thread - if you actually read my ISO you'd see I have more suspicion than a PoE has room for, so this is not accurate. I'm trying to sort people, and give the opinions that I think people need to see to motivate the game in a productive way. Since I am voting Aro, I am not sure why you'd think I want to particularly yeet slankers.

Did you really read my ISO? Yes, much of my suspicion from Aro has to do with Lucy, and then there is also the benefit of Lucy's slot having generated a lot of conversation, which should lead to a high-info chop. I fully believe that what Aro has done here could be wolf!Aro, even if taken in a vaccuum if I only saw Aro's posts, I'd guess town!Aro, this vaccuum take is not enough to unbalance wolf!Lucy+infochop in terms of where I believe our TK is best spent today.

Red 1.) Yes I agree, but that wasn't really the point of my inquiry.

Yellow 1.) Aye but the players I've seen you list multiple times are me, Nook, Kate, and Aro (3/4 are I'd say in a slanky territory), but how many wolves do you think you'll actually find amongst the lower posters? Do you think there's 1 in us? 2 in us? All three? If you think that it's 2 or three I'd think that'd be warranted by a threadstate of 'wow everyone is so towny' and thus I ask for clarification.

Red 2.) Yes, and an ISO review lacks the context of time and in between developments that may have occurred. Your ISO, while I think was still a good anchor to get into the game, didn't have the context I needed to fully understand what happened with Lucy. I didn't gain that until I read Porscha and the last question was quickly outdated.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:07 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:46 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:23 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:17 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:01 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:14 am Further, I didn't observe any real reactions to anyone sussing Seanzie. This further makes me feel the tonal tr is correct, but if anyone has data contrary to this, please let me know.

Hes posting and thats enough for d1

This ain't it chief.

I mean for him on d1

Yeah it is lol

I have in fact seen town seanzie get bizzlebooped day 1 as town while they were active. See Scooby Doobers.

I wasn't very active in Scooby Doobers, which is why I got bizzlebooped. I was at a conference with no cell service and just didn't have time to keep up with both that game and Hedgehog.

You were more active than me lol

Going to need to break this up into smaller parts in order to parse this one, BUT I'll preface this with what I think of Rondo's meta. He is a player that is HEAVILY invested into self pattern recognition and breaking of said patterns. In order to do this he'll purposefully obfuscate and change meta based patterns on wim. I feel that this is something that I can relate to as I used to have quite the show of doing that as well.

In spite of this however, there are slight things I've noticed re Rondo and that is he's highly analytical, proactive, and, I'm not sure if this is the proper way to describe it, but can succumb to Mac's described 'town entitlement.'

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:21 am @DrWilgy the TLDR of this post is:
The Rondo/WWA exchange isn't scum Rondo doing a really good job PR hunting, right? I'm just tinfoiling, right?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:14 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:14 pm my pet scum reads are sabi / tutuu / nanook / neon

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:35 pm pyxxy, Sabiplz, tutuu, Dennis - two of my scum reads on lucy

@pyxxy @Sabiplz @tutuu @Dennis find another wagon

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:25 pm I have decided nook is now openwolfing

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:43 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:39 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:34 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:30 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:25 pm I have decided nook is now openwolfing

I appreciate the effort but I don't think I'm at risk of being nked

cute, pretty sure ive caught you

iirc someone said earlier in the thread that if nook has a pulse he's town
I have no idea if that's true since I haven't really played with him before (except in something that was more like a misc game than a mafia game and I don't even remember if he posted before randomly dying in an event)
but would you care to elaborate on why you think he's scum?

windward has hit scum equity for me now.

So in immediate observation, I feel that you have thrown out a lot of names as scummy and the explanation for these are somewhat non-existent.

It's fine I guess, like I wouldn't vote over this, but it's jarring when I know you can effectively explain yourself.

Makes me question is
A.) Rondo flinging shit again to see if it sticks and develops?
or
B.) Rondo keeping the PoE large enough so that they don't need to sacrifice momentum as a wolf?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:01 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:58 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:56 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:54 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

I still have no opinion on nook but unfortunately I think Rondo is town now so I gotta move my vote

Such a weird progression.

There is no progression
I just don't feel confident enough to vote Lucy, I have no idea what tutuu is doing but aside from paranoia I don't scumread her, and I'm not interested in voting myself yet.

why not pyxxy or tuutu? Why not me? My pushes have not been explained and tutuu has said I am trying to save w!lucy?

Ah, this self awareness following my previous question makes me think it's the former. Decent enough look given this context.

Not going to directly quote the WWA dispute, BUT your stance towards them at least feels genuine. I don't think I know how wolf Rondo approaches pushing, but I don't think it looks like that.

I'll take a look at WWA's ISO tomorrow and see what I think reading the other perspective.

I think you are towny. We'll see. I think you as a player are easier to find once a pelt has been obtained as that at least remains consistent in spite of your purposeful obfuscation.

"Rondo flinging shit again to see if it sticks and develops?"
"Ah, this self awareness following my previous question makes me think it's the former."

We're on the same page about Rondo, but I do want to ask you a question.

Have you (or I guess anyone else) ever seen scum Rondo PR hunt before?

I'm about to dump a bunch of notes that might help understand why I'm even considering this as a question. Or maybe they won't, there's a lot of them. Idk.

I have no memory of playing with a wolf Rondo.

I'm not sure how to put it more succinctly than this right now because I'm tired:

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:54 am - WWA jailkeeper what now?
- arogame instantly paying attention to PR claims? come _on_ (re: WWA)
- _WWA PR claim what now????_ what the fuck is this game
- WWA also engaging with Rondo about nook
- I don't think WWA actually thought Rondo's reads list was real, so idk if that's a valid line of questioning
- arogame town reading rondo for his activity/interviews
- Rondo doesn't believe WWA's being-a-PR claim
- (ed note: I understand what self-resolving means but I don't understand _why_ WWA is considered self-resolving here)
- WWA townreads Rondo for how Rondo progressed on WWA, except it wasn't 100% as expected
[ed note: line removed for clairty]
- Rondo explicitly says that his own progression here is NAI
- um what
- WWA straight claiming "even-night jailkeeper" and I no longer know what's going on
- (ed note: that would make the setup either Protect or 6lock)
- (ed note 2: 6lock is almost certainly pronounced block and is a reference to 6lack, a nod of respect to whoever came up with that wordplay
- nook thinks it's a slip and uh I'm inclined to agree, every town role appears twice, I obviously read the mech *pushes up glasses*
- Rondo kinda ignoring the claim and still pushing WWA for non-claim reasons
- scroll right conspiracy is our grassy knoll second shooter
- Seanzie making a lot of sense re: why would WWA claim here as wolf
[ed note: re-reading this I realized my phrasing is awkward, I think Seanzie makes a strong case that WWA is _not_ a wolf claiming here]
[ed note: 3 lines removed for clarity]
- screenshots and mobile section which imo straight clears WWA's straight claim

*reaches into my pantry for some tinfoil*

There's like three sections here. #1 I'll call Regular Rondo. I think up until this long exchange I slight town read Rondo for being Rondo and doing Rondo things. Also feel like I gotta respect his reads more after hedgehog. So I'm cool with Rondo. This Rondo is NAI but helps achieve both town Rondo's and scum Rondo's objectives, imo, so it makes sense for Rondo to be this Rondo.

Yeah, I agree with this. This is what drove my conclusion of 'T Rondo collects pelts' and I think that's what we should look for in Rondo in these next few phases.

#2 is Risible Rondo. Sorry that name is a stretch I'm just feeling alliterations rn. Rondo is having a good time, he's in his element, and he's doing his interview thing on Windward...until suddenly Windward claims (non-specific) PR.

We have to view this from both sides, town Rondo and scum Rondo. Here's why I might be completely wrong and still bad at reads so grain of salt.

Town Rondo....I think town Rondo actually believed the same thing as Nook, that WWA has slipped about the setup since Rondo had lied about the setup (wee bit of navelgazing here bud). And if there's something I believe about town Rondo, it's that when he smells blood in the water, he goes for the kill. And that's why the rest of the conversations plays out how it did, leading to WWA's full claim.

Scum Rondo....can't believe his luck. He just got someone to PR claim which is either 1) real or 2) fake, and either case advances the scum win condition given WWA hasn't been the most active during D1 and is not widely town read or anything like that (ed note: still time for WWA to townlead the rest of the day!). Not only this, scum Rondo has managed to out a PR _while playing entirely within town Rondo's range_. He gets carried away in the moment and even posts actual screenshots to confirm WWA's claim.

Regarding the town Rondo scenario. I don't think needing to understand WHY Rondo feels the way they do re WWA, slip or not, is needed, rather the question "does Rondo actually feel the way they present their belief?" should be answered. From both of our perspectives it appears Rondo has sunken teeth in on WWA. As to why it's not super clear, but does Rondo believe he's right?

I think so, but could be wrong. I'd like other players opinions on the matter.

#3 is uhhhhhhhh Ruh-Roh Rondo.

Town Rondo makes this joke and dips with a sense of accomplishment, and with having exhausted his current reads on the game

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:45 pm I have successfully distanced myself from you WWA, there is no chance they will find me now.

Scum Rondo follows up that joke with

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:45 pm oops wrong chat pls ignore

but like....has anyone scum read you all game? I'm being super nitpicky here but a joke about distancing, I don't bat an eye. A joke about scum chat....feels self-conscious. It feels like scum Rondo was reflecting on the whole conversation with WWA outing herself and is starting to realize how this makes him look. And so he can't help but make a joke about it. Maybe it was even his subconscious that wrote the post.

[ed note: nook had a hand in this too but Rondo and WWA mostly talked to each other]

Rondo can make posts like this as either alingment I think. I think Rondo as T had afew jests of a similar nature in Scooby Doo, but I could be wrong. This one seems the most tin foily.

Something I did notice though when responding to you, you seem entirely focused upon Rondo's side of the interaction without much commentary regarding WWA's side of the interaction. Why is this? I'm aware during my analysis I was strictly set upon the Rondo side of interaction as I was going through Rondo's ISO, but if I'm to believe your notes, you'd seen the interaction it's entirety. What is your stance on WWA's play? why do YOU think WWA claimed?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:23 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:17 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:01 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:14 am Further, I didn't observe any real reactions to anyone sussing Seanzie. This further makes me feel the tonal tr is correct, but if anyone has data contrary to this, please let me know.

Hes posting and thats enough for d1

This ain't it chief.

I mean for him on d1

Yeah it is lol

I have in fact seen town seanzie get bizzlebooped day 1 as town while they were active. See Scooby Doobers.

Alright. Good night nerds.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:01 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:14 am Further, I didn't observe any real reactions to anyone sussing Seanzie. This further makes me feel the tonal tr is correct, but if anyone has data contrary to this, please let me know.

Hes posting and thats enough for d1

This ain't it chief.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:14 pm my pet scum reads are sabi / tutuu / nanook / neon

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:35 pm pyxxy, Sabiplz, tutuu, Dennis - two of my scum reads on lucy

@pyxxy @Sabiplz @tutuu @Dennis find another wagon

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:25 pm I have decided nook is now openwolfing

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:43 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:39 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:34 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:30 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:25 pm I have decided nook is now openwolfing

I appreciate the effort but I don't think I'm at risk of being nked

cute, pretty sure ive caught you

iirc someone said earlier in the thread that if nook has a pulse he's town
I have no idea if that's true since I haven't really played with him before (except in something that was more like a misc game than a mafia game and I don't even remember if he posted before randomly dying in an event)
but would you care to elaborate on why you think he's scum?

windward has hit scum equity for me now.

So in immediate observation, I feel that you have thrown out a lot of names as scummy and the explanation for these are somewhat non-existent.

It's fine I guess, like I wouldn't vote over this, but it's jarring when I know you can effectively explain yourself.

Makes me question is
A.) Rondo flinging shit again to see if it sticks and develops?
or
B.) Rondo keeping the PoE large enough so that they don't need to sacrifice momentum as a wolf?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:01 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:58 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:56 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:54 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

I still have no opinion on nook but unfortunately I think Rondo is town now so I gotta move my vote

Such a weird progression.

There is no progression
I just don't feel confident enough to vote Lucy, I have no idea what tutuu is doing but aside from paranoia I don't scumread her, and I'm not interested in voting myself yet.

why not pyxxy or tuutu? Why not me? My pushes have not been explained and tutuu has said I am trying to save w!lucy?

Ah, this self awareness following my previous question makes me think it's the former. Decent enough look given this context.

Not going to directly quote the WWA dispute, BUT your stance towards them at least feels genuine. I don't think I know how wolf Rondo approaches pushing, but I don't think it looks like that.

I'll take a look at WWA's ISO tomorrow and see what I think reading the other perspective.

I think you are towny. We'll see. I think you as a player are easier to find once a pelt has been obtained as that at least remains consistent in spite of your purposeful obfuscation.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:48 am @DrWilgy me next, its a small one and I want some insights into my insights not just to me

Sure but I'm going to bed after this.

Kate ISO per Sabi's request actually gets some quotes.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:38 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:06 am

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:00 am Totally forgot about this

I'm actually intrigued by this idea Lucy's brought up so I'm gonna drop a lil [VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine because they seem... TOO on topic and into it for being like 3 hours into start of day 1

Bullshit reason, and I don't know this person or if it is normal but I would like to see where this goes

I think this is towny for dennis

I also thought lily is towny

I agree. Towny Den Den.

This feels like a pocket attempt.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:08 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:14 am neon, please multi quote or respond to less

there's actual content later

Lucy's concern over neons post cap seems towny to me.

With the amount of thread weight Lucy had this feels important, but kinda meh without flips. Just worth noting for later.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:21 pm I'm up to page 10 and all I'm reading is a bunch of friends telling each other to eff off. I'm not reading all this. Just vote me out.

And this inspires sadness.

Kate I can see as lost town or lost wolf. There's really not enough to tell. I hope they return in spite of the heat in the thread.

Re Falcon's ISO per Sabi's request.

Falcon hasn't town spewed yet, but I'd like to give them the chance. I don't think Falcon is ever a good d1 yeet, but if there's no momentum by d2 it becomes more palpable.

I do agree, gth it doesn't look good as Falcon at least responded enough to provide a hint of alignment, but it just wasn't there.

So as I stated, Porscha's ISO was very good for data on Aro.

To further, I think I need to obtain all takes related to Lucy near the more active time of day phase. This would either need to be explained to me (plz), or I'll just get this data as I continue to catch up.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:21 pm Wilgy how dare you not be caught up on thread

Dood this game is moving so fast that I couldn't even keep up with "in the now" reads and data absorption earlier when I first arrived.

I'm at least making some headway now.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:17 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:29 pm Just went through lucy ISO and I can see her as scum here

I don't think town lucy worries this much. There was also one one post where she said something like "since I am town and that means you are playing poorly" which pinged me because we... do not know your alignment. That's like the most basic part of mafia and I think Lucy knows we cannot just let her townlead D1 without a mech clear, and to call it bad play is icky icky

I never see neon/lucy being w/w, or tutuu/lucy being w/w

I'm really sorry if you're town Lucy, but I'm staying here for now

I dont have an issue with her trying to town lead without mech clear, and I've seen town lucy make the exact argument before of "ur wolf siding cuz you're wrong on my alignment" which actually often gets townread by other players who consider it "towny entitlement" but I see here that this never happened. I actually think lucy is thread spewed town here unless wilgy and rondo are at least 1 of her partners, or lucy attempted a bus on sabi that inadvertantly 180'd due to threadstate and was forcibly reversed.

But like I mentioned before. When this many players are scum reading a player, especially day 1... it means either:
1) lucy is now being bussed. Town must now find busses
2) lucy is town and wolves hopped on the train. Town must now find trains

Either way, we have some engines to find here fellas!

So far your ISO has been very insightful on the Lucy kerfuffle.

Because you say Lucy is townspewed at this point with the exception of the AFKs. Am I to think that the entire town was pro yeet Lucy, or was there a more exact large list you have in your head? Is it a feeling that the entire thread was all in on Lucy or was this a factual thing I can reference later?

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:52 am

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:50 am nooks fine, towny even, and he won't be the d1 chop in my village

Tbf if literally anyone tried chopping nook day 1 I'd assume they were wolfing

Did Nook have any significant input at this point in the game?

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:39 am I cant wait for wilgy to post so I can tinfoil him all game. That's my favorite

Should I be worried about this now or later?

Right out of the gate Porscha is filled with energy and appears to be having fun. I think that this aligns with town Porscha and the read that I saw critical thinking and solving within that thinking holds up.

Further, I didn't observe any real reactions to anyone sussing Seanzie. This further makes me feel the tonal tr is correct, but if anyone has data contrary to this, please let me know.

@Seanzie, going through your ISO I noticed that you have suspicion on Me, Nook in current, but you also earlier had a suspicion on Kate.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think all 3 of us haven't read the game fully. Do you find that the thread is being generally townie and that would lead to yeeting the slankers?

Is the reason to hit Aerogame the same as it was for Lucy or did that evolve?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:24 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:21 pm what differentiates lazy Nook as mafia vs lazy nook as town?

I’ve seen Nook more laid back and trolly as town more often than not.

Nook is trying to find an excuse to sheep someone to remove culpability for their actions, and again, they aren't actually being "laid back and trolly", they're taking pot shots.

Would you describe my play so far similarly?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:06 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:21 am OK, I'm actually tired AF this AM, so Imma sheep somebody w/ some sick a$$ reads...this somebody will be chosen by birthday.






Who's born in March?

My birthday was two days ago.

Oh shit. Happy belated birthday.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:29 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:20 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:04 pm Like option
1. Wilgs needs some help getting into the game and has requested that trying to gain insight.
2. Wilgs is wolf and just decided to pocket two players arbitrarily.

Even if you think it is two, why would you as town, not enable 1 when 1 was asked for on the chance of being wrong?

3. Wilgz is a wolf that usually flails when it comes to giving reads and echos game thread.

Oh Sabi, you know this is just objectively false. I'm a better wolf than that and you know this.

With that much TMI, why wouldn't I use that to gain some footing in the thread?

Do I? We wolfed together in hot fuzz and you were flailing with reads. You had no spicy reads then.

You had spicy reads in holes, the last time I was town. You were in your own island solving.

Yes actually. I think you do.

Also, yes I do have a tendency to solve, either in slower games such as holes or games I was present for the start of it's easier. This is not the case for this game and thus the comparison is flawed. See how in spite of this I've already isolated two voices that I think I can trust? I do intend on using Porscha and Seanzies ISOs as reference when possible.

Now again, are you going to call the reads I do have bad, or will you provide what I need to make more?

I will give you an olive branch for now.

I want to poke your brain about falcon and Kate tbhtbhtbh

Sure thing. I'll add them to the ISO piles and do that at some point tonight.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:20 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:04 pm Like option
1. Wilgs needs some help getting into the game and has requested that trying to gain insight.
2. Wilgs is wolf and just decided to pocket two players arbitrarily.

Even if you think it is two, why would you as town, not enable 1 when 1 was asked for on the chance of being wrong?

3. Wilgz is a wolf that usually flails when it comes to giving reads and echos game thread.

Oh Sabi, you know this is just objectively false. I'm a better wolf than that and you know this.

With that much TMI, why wouldn't I use that to gain some footing in the thread?

Do I? We wolfed together in hot fuzz and you were flailing with reads. You had no spicy reads then.

You had spicy reads in holes, the last time I was town. You were in your own island solving.

Yes actually. I think you do.

Also, yes I do have a tendency to solve, either in slower games such as holes or games I was present for the start of it's easier. This is not the case for this game and thus the comparison is flawed. See how in spite of this I've already isolated two voices that I think I can trust? I do intend on using Porscha and Seanzies ISOs as reference when possible.

Now again, are you going to call the reads I do have bad, or will you provide what I need to make more?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:04 pm Like option
1. Wilgs needs some help getting into the game and has requested that trying to gain insight.
2. Wilgs is wolf and just decided to pocket two players arbitrarily.

Even if you think it is two, why would you as town, not enable 1 when 1 was asked for on the chance of being wrong?

3. Wilgz is a wolf that usually flails when it comes to giving reads and echos game thread.

Oh Sabi, you know this is just objectively false. I'm a better wolf than that and you know this.

With that much TMI, why wouldn't I use that to gain some footing in the thread?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:11 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:02 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:50 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:13 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:08 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:02 pm

Love to hear a hot take from you (with explanation)

I have read this page and skimmed the page prior. Porscha appears to be thinking and you appear to be tonally matching your town game. Everyone else is still pretty NAI.

It seems that Lucy has accrued alot of thread tension. IDK how to read it, but if it's legitimately a copy of what happened in Hedgehog as explained by Tutuu, I would like to know what the thread thinks to do with this to generate data. The game loss in hedgehog was not from the fact that we didn't yeet Lucy, BUT more so we didn't resolve the tension created by Lucy thus negating the amount of data town had to work with.

This just feels like cotton candy.

None of this is stuff that literally wasn't said already in thread. Where's original Wilgz thots I know and love?

I have read two pages and do not have the data.

Perhaps fill me in?

... You can read wilgz.

You aren't impressing me. You are too busy trying to cozy up to people and not actually solving. Do something

This is a shit take. I have read what I have so far and I've drawn two reads from it.

I will read more but that'll take time.

The thing is, they were not reads that you made. You just said what was already said in the thread. It wasn't original thoughts. That's why I'm pressing you. I want you to brain vomit all your thoughts.

Perhaps advise who has said these same thoughts. I still haven't seen them.

Like option
1. Wilgs needs some help getting into the game and has requested that trying to gain insight.
2. Wilgs is wolf and just decided to pocket two players arbitrarily.

Even if you think it is two, why would you as town, not enable 1 when 1 was asked for on the chance of being wrong?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:50 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:13 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:08 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:01 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:38 pm

It isnt the only part of my argument at all. The situation isn't identical, is my argument. Rondo and syn were the only real pushers on lucy day 1 and day 2 last time. This time the entire threadstate barring rondo wilgy and I guess kate, are SR'ing her.

You postured option 3) shes a wolf getting sr'd by a lot of townies.
How likely do you believe this option to be than the other 2 I put forward? I think on day 1 when you are working with someone who is a capable wolf, it is unlikely they are caught like this without straight up slipping or getting unluckily mech'd on a n0. There was no slip or n0. I believe that while option 3 is always *possible*, is it the *least likely* of the options. Even if you really truly believe lucy is wolfing, I believe you would think my option 1 is more likely than option 3. Option 3 is lazy.

Porscha is also town. Sweet.

Love to hear a hot take from you (with explanation)

I have read this page and skimmed the page prior. Porscha appears to be thinking and you appear to be tonally matching your town game. Everyone else is still pretty NAI.

It seems that Lucy has accrued alot of thread tension. IDK how to read it, but if it's legitimately a copy of what happened in Hedgehog as explained by Tutuu, I would like to know what the thread thinks to do with this to generate data. The game loss in hedgehog was not from the fact that we didn't yeet Lucy, BUT more so we didn't resolve the tension created by Lucy thus negating the amount of data town had to work with.

This just feels like cotton candy.

None of this is stuff that literally wasn't said already in thread. Where's original Wilgz thots I know and love?

I have read two pages and do not have the data.

Perhaps fill me in?

... You can read wilgz.

You aren't impressing me. You are too busy trying to cozy up to people and not actually solving. Do something

This is a shit take. I have read what I have so far and I've drawn two reads from it.

I will read more but that'll take time.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:13 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:08 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:01 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:38 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:34 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:27 pm Lol, are you serious? That is not at all how I recall day of hedgehog going.

If rondo wasnt a broken record about lucy she wouldnt have had that issue in the first place, and like you pointed out earlier, she only had 3 votes and the threadstate was not that hard against her;
Who else really besides rondo and syn were pushing lucy? Rondo was right in that she was probably doing some kind of reaction to being caught early, but you'll notice she never actually gave up because she was aware that nobody was really believing in rondo. She really kinda pulled herself up by her bootstraps tbh

so you're arguing that since this time lucy gave up for real and left she's town now?

i suppose it's not impossible, but this gameplay is so unfun and unreasonable. it's not fun to play like that, not fun to try to read it either

It isnt the only part of my argument at all. The situation isn't identical, is my argument. Rondo and syn were the only real pushers on lucy day 1 and day 2 last time. This time the entire threadstate barring rondo wilgy and I guess kate, are SR'ing her.

You postured option 3) shes a wolf getting sr'd by a lot of townies.
How likely do you believe this option to be than the other 2 I put forward? I think on day 1 when you are working with someone who is a capable wolf, it is unlikely they are caught like this without straight up slipping or getting unluckily mech'd on a n0. There was no slip or n0. I believe that while option 3 is always *possible*, is it the *least likely* of the options. Even if you really truly believe lucy is wolfing, I believe you would think my option 1 is more likely than option 3. Option 3 is lazy.

Porscha is also town. Sweet.

Love to hear a hot take from you (with explanation)

I have read this page and skimmed the page prior. Porscha appears to be thinking and you appear to be tonally matching your town game. Everyone else is still pretty NAI.

It seems that Lucy has accrued alot of thread tension. IDK how to read it, but if it's legitimately a copy of what happened in Hedgehog as explained by Tutuu, I would like to know what the thread thinks to do with this to generate data. The game loss in hedgehog was not from the fact that we didn't yeet Lucy, BUT more so we didn't resolve the tension created by Lucy thus negating the amount of data town had to work with.

This just feels like cotton candy.

None of this is stuff that literally wasn't said already in thread. Where's original Wilgz thots I know and love?

I have read two pages and do not have the data.

Perhaps fill me in?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:05 pm I sr wilgy's posts this page

nice, *finger guns*

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:01 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:38 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:34 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:27 pm Lol, are you serious? That is not at all how I recall day of hedgehog going.

If rondo wasnt a broken record about lucy she wouldnt have had that issue in the first place, and like you pointed out earlier, she only had 3 votes and the threadstate was not that hard against her;
Who else really besides rondo and syn were pushing lucy? Rondo was right in that she was probably doing some kind of reaction to being caught early, but you'll notice she never actually gave up because she was aware that nobody was really believing in rondo. She really kinda pulled herself up by her bootstraps tbh

so you're arguing that since this time lucy gave up for real and left she's town now?

i suppose it's not impossible, but this gameplay is so unfun and unreasonable. it's not fun to play like that, not fun to try to read it either

It isnt the only part of my argument at all. The situation isn't identical, is my argument. Rondo and syn were the only real pushers on lucy day 1 and day 2 last time. This time the entire threadstate barring rondo wilgy and I guess kate, are SR'ing her.

You postured option 3) shes a wolf getting sr'd by a lot of townies.
How likely do you believe this option to be than the other 2 I put forward? I think on day 1 when you are working with someone who is a capable wolf, it is unlikely they are caught like this without straight up slipping or getting unluckily mech'd on a n0. There was no slip or n0. I believe that while option 3 is always *possible*, is it the *least likely* of the options. Even if you really truly believe lucy is wolfing, I believe you would think my option 1 is more likely than option 3. Option 3 is lazy.

Porscha is also town. Sweet.

Love to hear a hot take from you (with explanation)

I have read this page and skimmed the page prior. Porscha appears to be thinking and you appear to be tonally matching your town game. Everyone else is still pretty NAI.

It seems that Lucy has accrued alot of thread tension. IDK how to read it, but if it's legitimately a copy of what happened in Hedgehog as explained by Tutuu, I would like to know what the thread thinks to do with this to generate data. The game loss in hedgehog was not from the fact that we didn't yeet Lucy, BUT more so we didn't resolve the tension created by Lucy thus negating the amount of data town had to work with.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:38 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:34 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:27 pm Lol, are you serious? That is not at all how I recall day of hedgehog going.

If rondo wasnt a broken record about lucy she wouldnt have had that issue in the first place, and like you pointed out earlier, she only had 3 votes and the threadstate was not that hard against her;
Who else really besides rondo and syn were pushing lucy? Rondo was right in that she was probably doing some kind of reaction to being caught early, but you'll notice she never actually gave up because she was aware that nobody was really believing in rondo. She really kinda pulled herself up by her bootstraps tbh

so you're arguing that since this time lucy gave up for real and left she's town now?

i suppose it's not impossible, but this gameplay is so unfun and unreasonable. it's not fun to play like that, not fun to try to read it either

It isnt the only part of my argument at all. The situation isn't identical, is my argument. Rondo and syn were the only real pushers on lucy day 1 and day 2 last time. This time the entire threadstate barring rondo wilgy and I guess kate, are SR'ing her.

You postured option 3) shes a wolf getting sr'd by a lot of townies.
How likely do you believe this option to be than the other 2 I put forward? I think on day 1 when you are working with someone who is a capable wolf, it is unlikely they are caught like this without straight up slipping or getting unluckily mech'd on a n0. There was no slip or n0. I believe that while option 3 is always *possible*, is it the *least likely* of the options. Even if you really truly believe lucy is wolfing, I believe you would think my option 1 is more likely than option 3. Option 3 is lazy.

Porscha is also town. Sweet.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:56 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:55 pm @Seanzie thoughfs on falcon

I don't bother trying to read Falcon until like day 2.5.

Sean is town. That was easy.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:16 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:15 am gm. My name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a doctor.

This seems like a good place to take a break. The entrance of the good doctor is Luke the next chapter of a book.

And good day to you as well Kate.

I still have no idea what's going on here. Will likely put more effort in after work this evening.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:59 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:42 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:36 am @Lilypetal caught up here's you go

Dennis - towny
DrWilgy - scummy
falcon45ca - scummy
Kate - scummy
Lilypetal - town
lucy - scummy
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - towny
Neon - town
Porscha - town
pyxxy - scummy
RondoDimBuckle - scummy
Sabiplz - scummy
Seanzie - scummy
tutuu - Stop self voting. Also scummy
WindwardAway - scummy

Null reads are lame. This reads list sucks.

Just saw this in pyxxy's quote. How did you have an opinion of me? I wasn't even around yet.

Neon postcapped

Bleh

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:36 am @Lilypetal caught up here's you go

Dennis - towny
DrWilgy - scummy
falcon45ca - scummy
Kate - scummy
Lilypetal - town
lucy - scummy
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - towny
Neon - town
Porscha - town
pyxxy - scummy
RondoDimBuckle - scummy
Sabiplz - scummy
Seanzie - scummy
tutuu - Stop self voting. Also scummy
WindwardAway - scummy

Null reads are lame. This reads list sucks.

Just saw this in pyxxy's quote. How did you have an opinion of me? I wasn't even around yet.