The Syndicate

timmer wrote:

DrWilgy wrote: But Timmer, I'm never wrong.

Yes, really.

timmer wrote:@Wilgy, I'm not sure I agree with your stance on unfurl/Bubbles. I'm not saying you are necessarily wrong, but that you are tuned in too heavily on one possibility.

Looking back, we were in position 2, so yes, Ubzargan had a lynch switch to use. So yes, it seems likely that he caused unfurl's death. But it's to what END where I am not sure you are right.

But Timmer, I'm never wrong.

@Monkey Dude, The Bubbles lynch was swapped to Unfurl to frame Bubbles.

@Timmer, please point out what about her tone triggers you. I also think you underestimate the greed of baddies. Anyone else dying, is a day longer they last.

@SVS I'm aware. Doesn't change the fact that baddies will do what they can for mislynches.

timmer wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Can we please not kill TinyBubbles? can we please not give Ubzaggron the satisfaction? this is such a bad idea and another easy frame on someone most likely unrecruited.

Can you explain what this is about? Why would Ubby specifically want Bubbles dead?

Am I the only one seeing frame play at work here? Killing Unfurl with Bubbles vote so that we waste on Bubbles? because she's obviously evil. killing Epi because Golden will get lynched? obviously golden was evil too

I think the reason I'm so bothered by bubbles lynch can be defined by a old saying, "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, well I'm dumb." let's not be dumb here. Why am I defending someone who won't even help themself D:

Can we please not kill TinyBubbles? can we please not give Ubzaggron the satisfaction? this is such a bad idea and another easy frame on someone most likely unrecruited.

DharmaHelper wrote:

timmer wrote:

aapje wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Hello friends. I will try to answer some questions.

I'll try one. When are you planning on playing the game?

I second this. Like, is there any actual reason to keep you in this game?

Me next me next:

Didn't DH say he wasn't going to be back till the end of the poll?

Will you help me avenge Unfurl?

S~V~S wrote:Not with all the night powers that can fuck with things, Wilgy. There are too many unknown variables. Sometimes you just have to suspend belief and let magic take over.

So you suggest we dismiss belief, thought, reasoning and more so discussion? SVS, you are treading down the same path that had me voting Unfurl early.

I was suspicions of you for hounding Golden and being one of the day 1 lynch survivors. I didn't share this because I wanted to avoid tunnel vision, but I'm also suspicious of you based on our past play history together. In a game where you had some say in what role you obtained, you were the serial killer. We've had multiple open recruitments already and I would not be surprised if you were to hop on that baddie boat.

@HOSTS When Ubzargan does the lynch switch, how many players does he target?

thellama73 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

S~V~S wrote: Not all games are logic puzzles. Some games are finely crafted clusterfucks.

This is the greatest and most true thing anyone has ever said about mafia. Ever.

Yeah, I love this as well. I agree with SVS that we can't logic our way out of the lynch switch business.

I can't begin explain how wrong this is.

and Llama

thellama73 wrote:Wrong. All actions are by definition rational, in the sense that they are designed to move the actor from a place of lesser satisfaction to a place of greater satisfaction, based on the subjective preferences of the actor. Whether or not they succeed is not relevant.

Here you were disputing something MP had said. If every action is rational, that means every decision has a logical decision making process behind it. Does this mean those logical processes aren't traceable by any means?

Ricochet wrote:Also, it seems most of the kills and kill attempts have targeted big players so far. I don't stand a chance to win this if I remain unrecruited.

Who here doesn't like big players?

Wilgy runs off and into the streets crying I'm not fat!!! Don't be mean!!! Wilgy runs out of sight. His cries were heard in the distance until the sound of a car stopping suddenly, a bang, and a crash. Following that were the sirens of an ambulance.

And it's bullsuit btw :P[/quote]

Ah... Forgive my transgressions... *bows*

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Someone please answer this question,

DrWilgy wrote:Lastly, I would like to ask this, is there a situation in which Ubzargan wouldn't use his power?

No.

Totally agree with this. Even if he wasn't saving a teammate, throwing a lynch switch out there would still cause some confusion.

How can you say no, but also say more likely in a previous post?

A powerful aura appears around Wilgy as if he's charging power. The force from his aura is causing the wind around him to be repelled and his hair to stand.

I meant that I think it's more likely that Bubbles was saved with a lynch switch, rather than Ubzargetoffmybed doing it just to mess with us.

And it's bullsuit btw :P

-__-

BWT... It's not more likely that Bubbles was saved with a lynch. Bubbles was saved with a lynch.

timmer wrote:ETA: Wilgy, I have no idea why the word arbitrarily is funny to you, but I like that you're rolling with it, and I doubt I'll be voting you anytime soon

I got nothing but love for you timmer (even if I think you are a baddie at this point).

#Savethecutelittlebubbles

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Someone please answer this question,

DrWilgy wrote:Lastly, I would like to ask this, is there a situation in which Ubzargan wouldn't use his power?

No.

Totally agree with this. Even if he wasn't saving a teammate, throwing a lynch switch out there would still cause some confusion.

How can you say no, but also say more likely in a previous post?

A powerful aura appears around Wilgy as if he's charging power. The force from his aura is causing the wind around him to be repelled and his hair to stand.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:So you don't think it's at all possible that Uzbekistan switched the lynch just to fuck with us? It had to be saving a teammate?

I think in the context of the case against TinyBubbles, I'm more inclined to think it was not to fuck with us.

What's your opinion on the matter?

I think that lynch gets switched no matter what role TinyBubbles has. I think any player at all could have received the most votes and it would have been switched.

Fair enough. I think it's definitely a possibility, and I might be tunneling here. But I just really think that it's more likely that Bubbles was saved with a lynch switch on Day 4.

Bullshit

More likely? No, it's equally likely. Possibility? No, BWT, WHY would Ubzargan not use his power.

Wilgy goes to sit in a corner.

Ricochet wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:We can't. I'm starting to think that position 2 is actually the strongest baddie position while Ubzargan is alive. All aboard the never pick position 2 train! Choo choo!!

I would also like to point out that there was a "arbitrarily" chosen position 2, during poll 1.

I would agree with this. Let's especially never consider choosing that for an even day/night cycle, because thanks to position 2, Ubzargan gets to manipulate an entire lynch and kill the following Night.

Do you mean how position 2 was chosen randomly after N3, because N3 ended early? Or someone randomizing a position 2 choice during a previous Night?

Nah, I was just poking at Timmer

We can't. I'm starting to think that position 2 is actually the strongest baddie position while Ubzargan is alive. All aboard the never pick position 2 train! Choo choo!!

I would also like to point out that there was a "arbitrarily" chosen position 2, during poll 1.

Thank you fellow Turnip.

Someone please answer this question,

DrWilgy wrote:Lastly, I would like to ask this, is there a situation in which Ubzargan wouldn't use his power? Even if Azura uses her power to deflect a lynch train, Ubzargan would still redirect the lynch to someone of his choosing. To save a team mate, stall, even to kill someone he doesn't like. Because of this we shouldn't blame the use of Ubzargan's ability on Bubbles, it just happens to be a really strong ability. The question we should be asking, why did Ubzargan choose Unfurl? not why did Ubzargan choose Unfurl instead of Bubbles.

I forgot to add a possible means, to frame someone who already is receiving heat.

So here's the problem I have here. I believe you are confusing Bubbles messages Daisy, the message where she stated that she was messaging LC was actually smallish.

TinyBubbles wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:*casually continues to pretend my shit dont stink*

is that i addressed to me? i am not pretending, i dont get it. was there a power that lynches someone else? i pm'd long con but he hasn't responded yet

Also, a point to be made, the time difference between this post and the previous TB post was only 4 min. If TinyBubbles wasn't being genuine about her post, I would assume she would put a little more thought than 4 minuets.

I chose to defend her because I don't think anyone else will. I was actually OK with the TinyBubbles lynch a day ago, but I honestly don't believe bubbles and Ubzargan being on the same team. I'm tired of free unrecruited lynchings, "Golden killed Epi, so he's bad" was horribly free, "Unfurl was killed because she suspected Bubbles (who already had a wagon going on her)" is horrendously free.

Spacedaisy wrote:Unfurl had some suspicion on her, they may have suspected her of being recruited by another team. Unfurl being the target has no bearing for me on whether or not I suspect Bubbles.

If Bubbles and Ubzargan were on the same team, why would they choose to kill one of the people that had suspicion on Bubbles? wouldn't it make more sense to kill someone else and try to create a new wagon to follow? Killing Unfurl when Bubbles was suspected by her only makes it harder for Bubbles the next day.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I think Ubzargan could have chosen Unfurl because Bubbles was a teammate. Plain and simple.

Linki: Yes, but I mean an adult that doesn't make me feel like I'm about to get something stuck up my.....well, nevermind.

Why choose Unfurl? If Bubbles really was a teammate or not is irrelevant.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Wilgy runs up to BWT and tackles him. Wilgy, with fire in his eyes, stares right into BWT's face. No one knows what to do with Wilgy anymore...
BWT, please comment on my defending of TinyBubbles.

I feel creeped out....I need an adult! I NEED AN ADULT!!!

I am an adult...

DrWilgy wrote:Wilgy runs up to BWT and tackles him. Wilgy, with fire in his eyes, stares right into BWT's face. No one knows what to do with Wilgy anymore...
BWT, please comment on my defending of TinyBubbles.

*defense

Wilgy runs up to BWT and tackles him. Wilgy, with fire in his eyes, stares right into BWT's face. No one knows what to do with Wilgy anymore...
BWT, please comment on my defending of TinyBubbles.

S~V~S wrote:

DrWilgy wrote: Sidenote: Timmer seems to be loving SVS during the Golden debates... Don't forget this.

As everyone should, Wilgy, old boy, as everyone should

Although I fail to see why SVS love means someone is bad. You never did explain your random vote for me the other day, although you said you would.

TBH, all of these points say the same thing, basically. Timmer has a shitty attitude, especially as it applies to solving the game.

In the last game in this series, RM3 played at a different forum, Revolution Mafia, Timmer was lynched for his shitty attitude. He flamed out a bit since no one seemed to be grasping his point about how he chose to play the game. I was one of the primary pitchfork wavers in the forefront. I still feel rather guilty over this even though I was bad in the game, and any death not mine or a teammates should be cause for rejoicing.

My point is that Timmer has displayed this same "not burning any bridges" attitude the whole game. After RM3, I would find it suspicious if he behaved otherwise. There is nothing wrong with being neutral; most of us started out the game this way, and most of us still are neutral. He chooses to play as an actual neutral, thereby increasing his desirability as a recruit.

Do I think he could be capable of putting on an act and actually be bad? Oh 100%. But I am not going to vote for someone based solely on attitude. Especially an attitude that, while not one I would choose, is not unreasonable and which I have seen them have before as an unrecruited.

Currently skim reading through RM3, I'll see you in afew years. SVS love doesn't mean someone is bad, I'm not sure why you would think my side note means that. I just pointed it out because Timmer took Epi's side earlier... and Epi died. Which SVS vote are we discussing now? I think I've voted for you several times, and I'm pretty sure I explained at least one of them. I'd figure out which one you are referencing but want to focus on finding info from RM3 first.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:That took a long time. I'm tired. I go sleep now.

I agree and will join you. Not in the same bed of course (I mean, unless you want to). I go dream now.

timmer wrote:Okay, so I'm likely only going to skim the game up to this point, I just never have time for Day 0's, it seems. I arbitrarily chose Position 2 in the poll.

Something being done "arbitrarily" Is a trigger.

timmer wrote:It's actually quite unlikely. An unrecruit is most likely. Aren't about 3/4 of us neutral at this time?

Obsessing over neutrality is a trigger, this isn't the only quote where he does this.

timmer wrote:^I like Epig's thinking so far. Golden's chatter about recruiting felt a bit phoney-chatty.

Not explaining what is actually phony is a trigger (if by phoney-chatty you meant phony).

timmer wrote:Furthur to this, why does someone being a recruiter mean anything? If they are one, they might be a civ recruiter, which means eliminating them will hurt the civ cause. There are equal numbers of bad and good recruiters. And once you are eventually recruited to a team, that's your team, so why gun for a potential recruiter when that may end up your own team down the road?

This right here is also my trigger.

timmer wrote:It's more of a sense than anything, but Epig kind of nailed it with his colour coding.

Here's a trigger, I noticed an obsession with Epi before he died.

timmer wrote:All of this to say that the odds of me sussing out a baddie recruiter today, with such a mess of acting and lying going on is low. And I don't have the time to try to find minutiae that would suggest it.

So I'm going to stick to the idea of voting for someone who is not around, for today. And I will be at work later and so will not be posting too much today.

Not wanting to catch baddies is my trigger.

timmer wrote:So as I'm reading along, the endless back and forths regarding Golden and MP truck along. They haven't play out yet and I've got a lot of pages to go, but for now I will say that I don't see a problem with MP's game, I'm a fan of his thinking in this game. Golden's playing a sort of similar game, but he seems to be shying away from admitting that his stance on Epig was odd, even for this game. SVS keeps mentioning it, but he isn't directly addressing it, even as he says he is. I'm liking MP more than Golden. And SVS' game is topnotch.

JJJ pointed this out, but I would also like to address how bullshit this is.

timmer wrote:Fourth, the few people who are actually trying to make normal cases all get my thumbs up, and my appreciation, as doing as much as proven to be beyond me so far this game. I note SVS' and rye's thoughts on Golden (while I don't put as much weight on the "never seen this Golden before" stuff {see point #1}, I do appreciate her thoughts on his evasiveness, etc.), also Canuckle's point on Tiny Bubbles.

Fifth, where I'm still at a conundrum is that (and take this with whatever grain of salt you want, I recommend Kosher personally) I still have no team and thus I'm not sure which kind of case to get behind, as any of them could affect my future employer. For instance, Canuckle makes a very good point about TinyBubbles. She seems like she's recruited and unsure of how to act. But what if that's true but Tiny's team will be my team?

Still being obsessed with teams is my trigger, hopping on the TinyBubbles boat so quickly without providing anything that hasn't been said already is also my trigger (especially since I'm pretty sure TinyBubbles is neutral).
Sidenote: Timmer seems to be loving SVS during the Golden debates... Don't forget this.

timmer wrote:voted for tinybubbles.

I agree with the basic thrust of the case against tiny bubbles, her posts have been the epitome of both wishy and washy. But moreso, I'm liking the gameplay of the people voting her, so I'm willing to follow their lead on this.

Not providing anything ever, but constantly bandwagoning is my final trigger.

JJJ I agree with everything you said, you noticed some things I did. Thank you for confirming my suspicion. I won't be changing my vote from Timmer.

Not sure good Turnip, I collected the data though and thought I should share. See if anyone smarter than I noticed a pattern or something. Wilgy, staring into the eyes of TurnipHead, remembers times of old and smiles. Wilgy thinks back on his schooldays and old usernames. He remembers that he used to be a turnip as well. GoldenTurnip to be exact.

Setting: A busy business street, on a hot summer day. The sound of people chattering and bus breaks squeaking fills everyone's ears. You can tell when a streetlight changes color by the sound of the cars. Wilgy is late for a very important day and is running to work with briefcase in hand.
Oh man, I compiled some voting statistics, but I'm late for my presentation... Wilgy trips and his briefcase flies open, papers are scattered throughout the street. He panics and tries to pick them up as fast as possible. Some people, interested in the sight in front of them notice what is written on the papers.
Voting stats on the confirmed unrecruited and lynched, these are the players that voted for unrecruited and the frequency of them voting for unrecruited:
Nutella 2
Boomslang 3
MP 3
Golden 1
Devin 2
Bullzeye 1
Daisy 1
G-Man 1
JJJ 1
TurnipHead 1
DrBeautiful 1
Epi 1
Rey 3
Dom 1
DH 1
SVS 2
Bass 1
TinyBubbles 1
Timmer 1
BWT 1

Voting stats on those who were not lynched, these are the players that voted for BWT and TinyBubbles and the frequency of them voting for those players:
Canuck 3
Sorsha 3
Bea 2
Llama 2
Timmer 1
Scotty 1
DH 1
DP 1
JJJ 1
Rico 1
Devin 1
LoRab 2
TurnipHead 1
DrSexxi 1
Golden 1
Typhoony 1
Tranq 1
Unfurl 2
Roxy 1

...Wilgy was fired that day

Wilgy looks over at JJJ sitting aloof in his chair. Walks up to him and pushes the chair over. Wilgy held a blank expression the entire time. Before JJJ can be angry at Wilgy though, Wilgy extends a friendly hand to help JJJ back up. Wilgy's expression is still blank though...

Have you looked at either Canuck or Timmer? I'm currently researching these players, and value what you have to say.

DrWilgy wrote:Also, you pointed out that it was wrong for her to be emotionally invested even though she hadn't shared much? am I correct? Are you saying that emotional investment is a standard for everyone? simply reading and staying caught up seems to be difficult for many players here and you think that has no emotional affect? especially with all the emotional gameplay happening at the time of the post?

Edit to the purple line: Are you saying that emotional investment has a minimal standard that everyone should be able to meet?

Spacedaisy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Or the lynch was switched to make us lynch Bubbles again

If that's the case, why not just let her be lynched the first time?? I'm with SD on this one.

Because if you have a lynch switch power, why not use it?

I guess.

I think it's clear cut honestly -- that lynch switch gets used regardless of Bubbles' alignment. If she's bad, it delays her death. If she's not on the team responsible for the switch, then it ensures someone else dies instead AND Bubbles remains a highly likely lynch after that. Two for the price of one.

I'll repeat here that I suspect get not only because the lynch for switched but because her response to it seemed exaggerated. I would expect her to be all, "I don't know why" but now a paragraph of her going on about how she is so confused and she doesn't know what happened and she em pmed the hosts, etc. It is overkill. It don't feel like a natural civilian response. I think She knows why the lynch got switched, in fact I think it was her teammate that did it.

OBJECTION!!! I disagree with you here Daisy! Along with everyone else who thinks Bubbles is bad! A lot of players here have stated that the reaction from bubbles didn't seem genuine? Explain this to me, what words in precise do this to you? as far as I'm concerned, the way bubbles has been communicating hasn't changed.

Examples:

TinyBubbles wrote:cause i get asked the same question every game! i didn't want to declare " i'm CIV" for the 109485734th time so i made a joke about being bad.

TinyBubbles wrote:Hey all i've been reeeeeally busy and just havent had time to read all posts,sorry. i'm willing to change my vote from turniphead to either golden or bass since that's where things seem to be headed.. golden hasn't seemed totally his upfront self like from previous games, it's giving me goosebumps. what's the case against bass though?

Do please point out exactly what concerns you about bubbles exaggeration here, in the same yellow fashion as mine if you disagree with me. Also, why is Bubbles writing out a larger paragraph to defend herself bad? I personally like the fact that we are seeing more from her at this point.

Canuck, you stated that you didn't trust Bubbles based on this right?

TinyBubbles wrote:damn it, i just can't vote golden again. i don't care if he's a baddie or not, it feels like rejecting a friend. he's totally right about him and other talkative players like MP and epi getting heat just for talking, rather than for the content of their posts. it isn't right,and the game would be dead in the water without their input, i don't think anyone should be punished for posting a lot, even though it obviously makes them a bigger target.

hope you have a good trip golden! i wont vote you out though!!!
and i know my own arguments are flipping back and forth but thats what happens when you get emotionally invested in a game like this ><

voting rey on golden's testimony

Now, I would like to point out that Golden did come up as neutral. Did this affect your judgement on this statement whatsoever? If I missed it, do point it out to me. Bubbles didn't vote for a friend, believing in them, as we all should have considering we lynched a neutral.

Also, you pointed out that it was wrong for her to be emotionally invested even though she hadn't shared much? am I correct? Are you saying that emotional investment is a standard for everyone? simply reading and staying caught up seems to be difficult for many players here and you think that has no emotional affect? especially with all the emotional gameplay happening at the time of the post?

Lastly, I would like to ask this, is there a situation in which Ubzargan wouldn't use his power? Even if Azura uses her power to deflect a lynch train, Ubzargan would still redirect the lynch to someone of his choosing. To save a team mate, stall, even to kill someone he doesn't like. Because of this we shouldn't blame the use of Ubzargan's ability on Bubbles, it just happens to be a really strong ability. The question we should be asking, why did Ubzargan choose Unfurl? not why did Ubzargan choose Unfurl instead of Bubbles.

*Wilgy twirls around in an office chair*

A Bubbles lynch sounds dumb... Still too busy to explain a better case though. In the meantime Vote registered for Timmer.

Oh! Missed the N2 part. I should go to sleep. -_-

@Long Con, was it LoRab or MP that didn't die? Your last post confused me...

Studying Dom and SVS currently... I'll report back as soon as I can.

Tears welled up in Wilgy's eyes as he fell to his knees. In front of him was Unfurls body. She had not betrayed him as he thought. Memories of their time together rushed through his head. Apologizing and asking to be friends, surprise skydiving, and the love letter Wilgy never delivered. He slammed a fist into the ground, and spoke apologies into the unresponsive air.

Don't vote for position 1 or 3. We don't want to give lynch immunity tomorrow. MM, I'm going to need your help tomorrow.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:The only other players I'm interested at this point are SVS, Unfurl, Sorsha, and Dom...

I thought we was friends.

Runs over to MM and gives a hug. Wilgy's eye is still twitching. OF COURSE WE ARE FRIENDS. I just am not suspicious of you... You would never betray your friends right... RIGHT?

Wilgy is shaking violently in the corner of the room... His stress levels have driven him past insanity... He talks to the cracks in the walls...

Ricochet wrote:*side-note to this: does Wilgy have any opinion on other players who also failed to save Golden (such as MP) or is Sorsha the only player you noticed?

The only other players I'm interested at this point are SVS, Unfurl, Sorsha, and Dom...

Wilgy places his face in the ground and, very similarly to a worm, begins to scoot to another corner of the room.

Sorsha wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Voted for bubbles.

linki to jjj: Scotty, wilgy, tranq, unfurl

I'll add Devin to this too.

Some of these players for just jumping on the bandwagon. And Scotty for the case being skewed in the negative. Wilgy is kinda iffy for the list, I'm not sure of his intentions. Up until he started questioning me it didn't seem like he was taking anything too seriously, so his change in tone today is what causes me some concern.

I'm so sorry Sorsha... I didn't want this. Regarding my last question. Say a name, pick anyone. Who would MoAA swap Epi with if Epi were swapped... If my tone was different, I swear it to be caused by the alcohol and how busy I was...

Wilgy can now be seen saying the word "MoAA... MoAA... MoAA..." No one can tell if there is anything to be found behind his insanity, or if he just likes the word MoAA and the odd shape it makes your mouth take as you say it.

Roxy wrote:This will be the second time I will point put you are voting for other peoples reasons without adding a single original opinion.

Last time I said something it was totes ignored. This one will prob be too.

Never fear Roxy, I haven't ignored you!

MovingPictures07 wrote:2) unfurl's reasoning "I think Sorsha knows" seems WIFOMy/odd to me, but I could see it coming from a genuine perspective. I could also see it as an easily manufactured reasoning as well. Not sure what to think of it, since I've been reading unfurl as not genuine for quite some time, so I feel I could use some fresh perspectives on this.

It also contradicts something Sorsha said previous...

Unfurl... You are one of my friends...

unfurl wrote:I think good points about Sorsha has been brought up, I think Sorsha may know who killed Epig, and she did knew it was not Golden, I think that could had been slip up with the framed part
As a matter of fact Im votting for Sorsha

Wilgy's eyes widen with horror. His heart begins to ache and his chest tightens. He finds it hard to say, but can finally let out a soft voice as he turns to face everyone.
Unfurl... How did you come to the conclusion... That Sorsha "did knew" that Golden didn't kill Epi? Sorsha even said she wasn't confident in Golden...

Scotty wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey y'all, I'm compiling a big post in which I defend Sorsha! Are you ready?

I like this!!

I also like this, but would like to know why you like this.

Because I'm not entirely sure were this bandwagon came from. I had some observations, but as far as I'm concerned Sorsha and I are still having a discussion.

Sorsha wrote:

Spoiler: show

DrWilgy wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Thats a good question Wilgy.. was it a frame or was it the result of a redirect (Ahriman), target switch (Master of Ancient Arts), switching three roles powers (Chaos Dancer) or a repel of kill to the Magnetarch?

Do you think Golden was framed Wigly? And why did you vote for me? Also, what are your thoughts on the day ending early and no night?

Also, good dance around my question here, I feel like you slipped though. If Epig's death was simply a frame, I think you would be pursuing those who were going after him. I also think you wouldn't have voted Tiny when the votes were so stacked on Golden. You rose the question of if it could be a redirect. The only peole that can answer that question are the people that cast the kill and the person who caused the redirect. Which one are you Sorsha?

Like I said before, I'm not sure that he was framed. There are a few roles with powers that could have led to epis death and those so adamant that golden killed epi didn't seem to be talking about/ taking those into consideration. Unless I missed it.

Ok, theory craft with me then Sorsha. I would see the uncontrollable redirections as Chaos Dance, and Magnetarch, so I won't bother with those. I don't see Ahriman gaining out of redirecting the night kill onto Epi, and why would Ahriman kill Epi? If Epi was switched with someone via Master of Ancient Arts, who do you think was actually supposed to die?

I welcome any theories or comments about Sorsha's and my exchanges.

With regards to Ahriman redirecting a night kill: I guess it depends on if Ahriman knew it was a NK s/he was being targeted with. He could have just been told to choose a target to deflect all night actions to regardless of the action, I'm not sure how exactly that role would work, if he did know it was a NK then maybe he didn’t trust Epi. I don’t know the answer to “Why kill Epi?” though… I’m not Ahriman so I can’t answer that.

With regards to the Master of Ancient Arts switch, even that player wouldn’t know as he is switching players targets, not roles targets.

Ugh... You arent making this easy. Let me rephrase the question about the Master. If MoAA swapped two people, one of them being Epi, who do you think the other was? Also, I'm still on the fence about voting for Sorsha. Sorry SVS I submitted a vote for you and passed out before I could write anything up. I'll write out something as soon as I'm not busy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey y'all, I'm compiling a big post in which I defend Sorsha! Are you ready?

I like this!!

Sorsha wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Thats a good question Wilgy.. was it a frame or was it the result of a redirect (Ahriman), target switch (Master of Ancient Arts), switching three roles powers (Chaos Dancer) or a repel of kill to the Magnetarch?

Do you think Golden was framed Wigly? And why did you vote for me? Also, what are your thoughts on the day ending early and no night?

Also, good dance around my question here, I feel like you slipped though. If Epig's death was simply a frame, I think you would be pursuing those who were going after him. I also think you wouldn't have voted Tiny when the votes were so stacked on Golden. You rose the question of if it could be a redirect. The only peole that can answer that question are the people that cast the kill and the person who caused the redirect. Which one are you Sorsha?

Like I said before, I'm not sure that he was framed. There are a few roles with powers that could have led to epis death and those so adamant that golden killed epi didn't seem to be talking about/ taking those into consideration. Unless I missed it.

Ok, theory craft with me then Sorsha. I would see the uncontrollable redirections as Chaos Dance, and Magnetarch, so I won't bother with those. I don't see Ahriman gaining out of redirecting the night kill onto Epi, and why would Ahriman kill Epi? If Epi was switched with someone via Master of Ancient Arts, who do you think was actually supposed to die?

I welcome any theories or comments about Sorsha's and my exchanges.

Just kidding. I don't really care. I just got home so I'm going to catch up now.

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