The Syndicate

FS's partner literally just waiting for one of two potential misvotes.

And if it's somehow just FS + screen/JoH in spite of the interactions with Nut, then I guess we'll just take the L.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:08 pm Yeah I mean I still think we lose as soon as I vote for you but

Honestly, I think you are just waiting for the misvote from Screen or Jack.

"Screen should vote first"

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:01 pm Aha, I am a fool. I showed up for dinner only two minutes early. Alas, the chicken tenders line is already 70 feet long

Good thing chicken feet are tiny.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:54 pm FS/Wilgy - Wolves coordinated eod vote yesterday. They’re distancing today. Reasonable.

FS/Tony - FS took a risk with Tony gone and Wilgy’s vote intentions unannounced. Wilgy super unlucky and fucking around. Less reasonable.

Wilgy/Tony - Wilgy bet the game on a coinflip with a partner that was MIA after Screen and I voted Nutella and FS was gonna vote Ted. Less reasonable on its face but idk if there’s a better wolf strategy for this team if Nutella gets yeeted yesterday.

Dude just look at my interactions with FS, we aren't teamed.

If I'm with anyone, it'd have to be Tony. I know that's not the case, meaning it's just FS.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:43 pm Ok but Wilgy’s just a wolf that eod vote is something else

tried to wait for shenanigans to resolve. Accidentally made shenanigans and slammed my vote.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:21 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 2:54 pm i think finger more likely wolf than wilgy as of exactly right now and I'm upset that they crossed because I would have voted someone else

What makes me more likely of a wolf than wilgy? Who didn’t post at all yesterday and then last minute voted town to save confirmed wolf?

I also voted ted, but I talked about it in the thread. Ted suspected I would vote them, but I did try to hear everyone out during the day phase. I just chose wrong.

Are you implying that I had a choice to vote elsewhere? It was either Ted or Nutella. I honestly didn't see your vote when it happened, I knew I needed to vote and time was almost up.

Plus, it's not like I just snap voted without reading. Ted/Jack/Screen was a way better vote before we had the Nut flip. I'd do it again, and I won't let you make me the scapegoat when you voted Nut as well.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:31 pm Dr Wilgy is obviously bad here. The refusing to talk and then voting the second I did

I’m ready to vote whenever

Then why don't you? you seriously waiting for someone else to mess up and force the hammer first?

[VOTE: FS] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:49 pm Cause they both like buzzer voted the townie at the same time.

I was waiting to see if TSP was going to be cheeky + I wasn't too eager to break my 69th post once Marmot pointed it out.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:48 pm So it’s just Wilgy+FS then?

Thanks for not voting @TonyStarkPrime. Luckily, I always win coin tosses.

Incorrect, the solve is TSP+FS.

I just swore that FS and Nutella were both town.

I'm embarrassed.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:05 pm There's only one hour in the day lol.

@DrWilgy I see you're here and you posted a massive wall. I'll take you as town for that. How confident in it are you

(also hugs)

Honestly not very. Quite abit discouraged after the Nook flip.

Screenplay FEELS like the right vote path, especially when compared to your slot. Running theory is that based on how the game is going, there's likely a wolf in one of you two.

Lol, debating as to if we yeet you or screenplay.

I'm of the opinion screenplay, BUT others have altering opinions.

I just skimmed through some ISO's and I'm thinking as I go,

Went through NAA for a read on the Dolb slot, and I'm not feelin it. NAA is just a chaotic neutral regardless of alignment, BUT if there's a wolf in Dolb/Screen, then it's Screen.

I get what FS was saying after going through Ted/Nutella's ISOs though. Makes me feel better about FS even if I can't say that removes them from the PoE.

I'm finding that I disagree with JoH's recent catchups especially in regards to FS/Nut, and I don't know how to decipher his trust towards Nanook's read of the Dolby slot.

Skimmed @Lime Coke as well, are you coasting at this point? Still feel that the way you approached d1 was very towny, but where has that gone?

Feel like Nutella is a miss. Like I can't say I disagree with most of what Nut has said and where her votes have gone. However, I did spend the entire time during Philo2 calling Nutella a hit and was wrong basically the entire game.

Feeling thSat Srceenplay is correct. Some of the shit that was pointed out earlier in the game was and is still wolfy. Something that I did notice was the declaration of Urist/Nut as W/W and that one felt icky.

Ted has actually posted more than I thought. Most of it seems to be focused around Nutella, there was a Nook vote in there without much explanation or prior noted suspicion of Nook outside of a questioning of if Nook really believed the Dolby suspicion to just right before the yeet. That was odd.

TSP is null and still has too little content.

LC
Nutella - Dependant on Ted
Dolby - Dependant on Screenplay
FS
JoH
Ted
TSP
Screenplay

Regarding team equity:
Dolby and Screenplay not W/W
Dolby and JoH not W/W
Dolby and LC not W/W

FS and Ted not W/W
FS and JoH not W/W

JoH and Nutella not W/W

LC and Nutella not W/W
LC and Screenplay not W/W

Nutella and Ted not W/W
Nutella and Screenplay not W/W

TSP could be in any team combo though, so that kinda fucks this up.

Either way, I think we resolve Dolby/Screenplay/TSP with my preference being on Screenplay.

Something that I'm pondering.

How has everyone been saying Screenplay's play is scummy, but there never seems to be any traction towards them? Was even saved. I recall earlier that Screenplay+Urist was a valid scum combo in my head prior to the Urist flip.

So I'm between two lines of thought here.

I either gamble on Ted/FS/TSP as I don't see any of these players clearing themselves from PoE unless they join the thread in a significant way. I did like how FS responded to my inquiry earlier today, but I think that just puts them at the top of this PoE, where TSP or Ted could fight over the yeet.

OR we try to hit one between Dolby and Screenplay. I don't see this as W/W, but can see a wolf in here still. Nook and Urist both being green really shifted where NAA was in my previous PoE, and Screenplay was at the bottom of that PoE.

Going to drop a vote on [VOTE: Srceenplay] aubergine for now.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:33 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:36 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:19 pm Fwiw I think Nanook’s orders involve voting for wolf meta nutella here

Also this was some unexplained shade. What is it D1? SMH.

It’s completely explained

please good sir, do show so that my lone eye my gaze upon the explanation.

srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:52 am Is unexplained shade considered wolfy?

Generally yes.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:19 pm Fwiw I think Nanook’s orders involve voting for wolf meta nutella here

Also this was some unexplained shade. What is it D1? SMH.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:43 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:41 pm I've seen jack do this is this position as scum but I'm not seeing that here tbh

pocket attempt rejected

No, this looks like a temmie interaction.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:14 am what do you think about nutella

Had alot of scum equity with Nook. Not sure who her teammates are now as we seem down to low posters.

Not W/W with Screen or Dolby at this point. She was too quick to vote there imo.

Can be W with two of the lurkers, but that's everyone.

I don't disagree with the Dolby voters at this point either, so idk. I'm mostly just in a meh state now as idk how we sort the likes of you, fingersplints, joh and TSP.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:35 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:33 pm Yo FS your Ted vote was Janky as hell last cycle.

Even your self pres Nook then to Nut was janky. Further, why not go Nut when there were other voters there, instead you put a vanity vote on Ted. Wasn't Nook one of your town reads and was up to the chop?

The hell is that?

[VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine

this has a little too much "caught you lacking" burying type of vibe to it for me ;/

Meh.

I need to read your ISO. I liked Fingersplints response and realized I should take a better look at you who was voted, just haven't had the time yet.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:35 am @DrWilgy hello old friend what are your thoughts on me, i thought you had some vendetta against me...

i am not seeing ANYTHING come at me brah

Vendetta, no, respect, yes. If there's someone who can mischop me and then walk away from the thunderdome smirking it's you.

Your slot has been rather null for me, and I put you in the range of low posters. I will admit to a lack of critical thinking here.

Yo FS your Ted vote was Janky as hell last cycle.

Even your self pres Nook then to Nut was janky. Further, why not go Nut when there were other voters there, instead you put a vanity vote on Ted. Wasn't Nook one of your town reads and was up to the chop?

The hell is that?

[VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine

I'd entertain a finger vote. Idk.

I'm in and out now. What's habbebin?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:55 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:47 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:46 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:06 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:48 pm I literally don't know what's going on and I don't think I ever will.

Star and urist have a long history of reading each other correctly. To the point that one scumreading the other makes it exceedingly likely that one of them is mafia.

Dolby replaced star, so we're gonna kill him

Right, I get that, but is that literally it? Nothing else?

I don't need anything else

I don't have much time this day cycle unfortunately (Mom's birthday, need to go buy flowers and paint little eyes or mouths on each petal).

I still see no reason why as to not yeet Nook today, but Nook more likely being red than screenplay is only thing from me voting there still.

I don't think NAA was scum in spite of the Urist fuckery. Don't like how both of the plausible scum are voting there rn.

Given time, I'll check in on mobile later.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:46 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:06 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:48 pm I literally don't know what's going on and I don't think I ever will.

Star and urist have a long history of reading each other correctly. To the point that one scumreading the other makes it exceedingly likely that one of them is mafia.

Dolby replaced star, so we're gonna kill him

Right, I get that, but is that literally it? Nothing else?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:22 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:02 am im not thinking nutella is one of the wolves with any amount of confidence that would warrant the vote, right now i'm deciding to just pressure what i feel like could be a wolf slot that's hiding under the cover of the bar being set so low for villageriness. i think she can easily surpass that bar and it would take few posts. the fact that she hasn't done so yet is a concern. again, ik she said she's turning it down a notch, but it feels like her impact on the game is very little and her concern doesn't show.

and a thing that i didn't like is that she said "we may be on the wrong path" and instead of exploring other reads, she's voted nanook who she's already suspected before (for reasons that i can't comprehend still)

hope it makes sense

lol you cant force a push on me and you know that, and you're twisting to defend nanook when i explained i wasn't even necessarily scumreading him d2

when i said that i meant mainly the urist/srceen wagons and a lot of the associative stuff that gav/others were pushing along with them, including nanook's difference check thing with naa. i dont like how he's sleepwalking into it today, we can't just be totally blasé anymore

and no he hasn't really had serious pressure from me or anyone until today, are you sensitive to mentions of your teammate or what

I mean

You know what a difference check is, yeah?

Why would you expect me to say "I think there's a difference check between x and y," have x flip town, and NOT just want to kill y ??

Nook, your 'difference check' was based on Urist/NAA interactions and meta yes?

Cream&Cannoli Enterprises wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:28 pm @nutella @DrWigly or anyone else

If NANOOK is scum, who could be his scum buddies?

I agree that NANOOK feels scummy, but I mean, so did Urist so I guess I’m more cautious with the train of thought of “acts scummy —> is scum”

I’ve been looking at pairings, and it feels like the options are kinda limited if he’s wolf.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:50 pm If Nook is red,
CCE
Gavi
Urist
Screenplay
LC
NAA
JoH
Ted
TSP
Fingersplints
Nutella

Can you explain the limitations?

Nutella seems likely candidate for a 2nd, TSP or JoH is valid as a third.

Hell even NAA/Dolb as a 3rd as an option makes sense as Nook's last post of 'this is fine get dolby' feels like a be all end all distance to me. Nothing in Nook's ISO is inspiring that they actually believe what they say about NAA.

Nutella's vote now is meh.

Pour one out for Gavi. You were the best of us, and the most delicious.

I may not be around for EoD after this

Here's how it be in my head formatted as cleanly as I could manage:
If Nook is red,
CCE
Gavi
Urist
Screenplay
LC
NAA
JoH
Ted
TSP
Fingersplints
Nutella

If Nook is green,
Gavi
CCE
LC
Nutella
NAA
Ted
JoH
TSP
Fingersplints
Urist
Srceenplay

I just don't think the 2nd is the case.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:32 pm Who was wilgy voting D1?

Pretty sure I ended on Urist. I moved so that Gavi wouldn't have a vote lead prior to the Falcon wagon forming.

How about this, there's scum in the low posters. Who is it and why is it fingersplints?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:17 pm Ya’ll are gonna have to post more cause I absolutely refuse to read D1. Mustard > ketchup

\\\\ \\\\ < Sure thing BrOEther )

^____
[ Slurp ]

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:40 pm Gonna place a vote there while I wait for the explanation.
The terminology there reads like setting up some LHF.

[VOTE: urist] aubergine

Ok, work time for real now.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:36 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:40 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:05 am @DrWilgy can you write some words on why you keep coming back to nook?

(soon pay)

Flip through Nook's ISO.

I think the best way to describe the Nook read is that it feels like alot of his posts are dissuasive. If there's a wolf in those who claimed I was town during RVS, this is what makes me feel that it's Nook.

The dynamic between Nook and NAA is weird, but that may be NAI when it comes to Nook.

so...is it fair to say most of your read is a gut ping on his town read of you?

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:13 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:07 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:05 am Urist can be aligned with either of Nanook or Srceenplay just not both.

But Urist can't be aligned with Nut who is aligned with Nook.

How so?
It’s Ted that can’t be aligned with them.
I never said Nut couldn’t be?
Nut is like not aligned with both Srceenplay and Urist.
They can still be aligned with Urist.

This

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:20 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:19 pm We don’t vote Urist or Srceenplay even though their both probably scum.
We vote NAA that is either scum or town that you just know is gonna give both of them a big hug and hurt anyone who touches those mafia.

why not just chop urist or srceen if you're more sure they are mafia

This

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:00 pm dont even know why ppl ended up going for falcon over urist or srceen smh

This

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:05 pm .....lol this game

[VOTE: urist] aubergine

Nut and Urist not W/W

I gotta work now. I'll ponder.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:05 am Urist can be aligned with either of Nanook or Srceenplay just not both.

But Urist can't be aligned with Nut who is aligned with Nook.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:02 am @DrWilgy
Probably better to vote Srceenplay if your sus of Nanook because Srceenplay being scum clears Nanook.

But I'm like, twice sus of Nook than I am Screen.

I think NAA's "Screen is likely to come off as Wolfy to new people" may be correct here, AND I liked screens response to questions related to his town read of me.

I think I sold myself on the Nook vote.

If Nook flips red, it can't be Screen or Urist as it's likely Nook + Nut where Urist Nut isn't W/W.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:50 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:33 am Lime was in the bucket of people that "haven't been too aggressive / pushing the game forward too much, but their reasons for calling stuff out was ok / didn't seem agenda'd". on balance i lean this as a villager, but obviously i'd wish he talked about his scum reads more, since it's a very thin read. i think if he managed to find a push and seeing how he pushes it is a good way to read him. i've not played much but i get the feel that's how you would read him.

nutella's D1 posts for the first half were wolfy, then she found a vote that she stuck to (urist) but didn't state much reasons. her other posts that weren't voting urist weren't villagery. i feel like only now that she keeps swapping between srcennplay and urist without throwing jabs much / stating reasons maaaay be more villagery than her d1. it may also be a result of urist and srceenplay not biting back that's making me think nutella is even more villagery, but if both srceenplay and urist are town then nutella is probably 90% wolf.

the others are pretty much unreadable without meta but i'll actually try for a third time and this time not caring about the outcome of my reads

Yeah I think Nut and Nanook could be aligned if Srceenplay is Town.

Good take

Noticed a Ro3 between you, Nook and I in the ISO skim as well.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:01 am

Spoiler: show

Cream&Cannoli Enterprises wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:48 am Gavial has some town moments and some questionable moments.
- Questionable - meta-wise, less instigative, less oomph, than last game we played where he was town.
- Questionable - #93, #69 - If these are just a feeble attempt at a reaction test or pressuring, then it feels lame, disingenuous and thus scummy. What are the point of these questions?
- Townie - Read #100 differently than LP. I think it feels like Gavial solving in his mind, and just kinda blurting out whatever his mind is at. When this happens, it gives me the feeling of, "Where the hell did you get that from?"

LP feels townie, prob mostly due to her fresh, well-articulated takes.
Also, LP wagon feels bad/off.
- Don't quite get a Nanook/srceenplay/nutella's reasons for being on the wagon and staying on the wagon.
- Is srceenplay even on the wagon? He did the vote thing in a post but didn't vote. IDK
- Kinda feel like the wagon took off for joke reasons but the fact that votes have stayed on and that it has persisted just gives me bad feelings.

IDK if slow starts are normal, but a few people feel a little passive for my tastes, esp given this is a 24 hr game
- nutella
- DrWigly
- Lime Coke
- Nanook

i like these thoughts

and yeah im used to 48h days so i havent really gotten out of rvs/just barely have some townreads

i do actually think gav is town and think nook and wilgy have felt ok so far. i dont know you but you seem eager to solve, can be town for now

Spoiler: show

i want to say there's a wolf in linear/naa/urist just cause there were some weird interactions but i'm not really familiar with how to read them

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:05 am @DrWilgy can you write some words on why you keep coming back to nook?

(soon pay)

Flip through Nook's ISO.

I think the best way to describe the Nook read is that it feels like alot of his posts are dissuasive. If there's a wolf in those who claimed I was town during RVS, this is what makes me feel that it's Nook.

The dynamic between Nook and NAA is weird, but that may be NAI when it comes to Nook.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:18 am So basically this is where I’m at:

World 1 where Srceenplay flips Green

World 1.1
Nanook, Cream and Nut are on the table as options now.
We still want Urist to go over as he confirms Ted.
Jack also looks decent as well.

World 2 where Srceenplay flips Mafia (more likely)
Urist (always Mafia!)

Which goes into last scum world which can’t be Ted, Cream, Nut or Nanook.
Most likely NAA or TSP.

Ted because he was left of Urist's lists, Nook because of Screenplay x Nanook bs. Why not Cream or Nut?

(dad I know I was just kidding, it's ok)

Let's schee wha happen
[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine