The Syndicate

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 8:24 pm at least we had our full game together this time wilgy

I wouldn't have had it any other way.

One day when I'm wolf, I look forward to you going out of your way to protect me :-)

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 7:49 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:44 am

112 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:35 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 10:47 am So unless one of you three are bussing there's no way there's a W falcon. Bussing rn doesn't make sense, so it's a matter of figuring out which of you is just incorrect.

@Epignosis how familiar are you with Falcon's meta while going through these lists?

it could be delta, but i'm not sure why you think bussing can't happen in a f5.

some of his posts have rubbed me the wrong way this round. it feels like he's gearing up for f3 and trying to pre-emptively sink me. it may be that he's expecting a wolf flip with falcon and is then going to bring up that i forgot to vote for him again in f3--because he's mentioned it quite a bit this round.

The situation where wolves are planning on f3 would be reflected by this dead thread state, so I agree with that. I'd expect wolves trying to win to push harder today, which I do see in Delta and Epi's play this cycle. My argument against this is that if Falcon is town, it takes one person being wrong to just end the game. Falcon makes it easy for people to be wrong I think. No slight there, Falcon just has an mysterious energy.

I currently have a hard time seeing you as W following your catch-up and I really think Falcon would've had to change meta to get the posts about Xan.

I gotta re read Delta and Epi, but I feel the team is there.

Me when I saw this post.

Thought DW was about to take our shoes.

lol man, if it was any other weekend I'd have been shouting.

All I could do was give 112 the data I had and hope it was convincing enough because busy holiday weekend shenanigans.

GG everyone.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:49 pm [VOTE: epi] aubergine

Oki

[VOTE: epi] aubergine

112 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:35 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 10:47 am So unless one of you three are bussing there's no way there's a W falcon. Bussing rn doesn't make sense, so it's a matter of figuring out which of you is just incorrect.

@Epignosis how familiar are you with Falcon's meta while going through these lists?

it could be delta, but i'm not sure why you think bussing can't happen in a f5.

some of his posts have rubbed me the wrong way this round. it feels like he's gearing up for f3 and trying to pre-emptively sink me. it may be that he's expecting a wolf flip with falcon and is then going to bring up that i forgot to vote for him again in f3--because he's mentioned it quite a bit this round.

The situation where wolves are planning on f3 would be reflected by this dead thread state, so I agree with that. I'd expect wolves trying to win to push harder today, which I do see in Delta and Epi's play this cycle. My argument against this is that if Falcon is town, it takes one person being wrong to just end the game. Falcon makes it easy for people to be wrong I think. No slight there, Falcon just has an mysterious energy.

I currently have a hard time seeing you as W following your catch-up and I really think Falcon would've had to change meta to get the posts about Xan.

I gotta re read Delta and Epi, but I feel the team is there.

@falcon45ca wya anyways?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:33 am It seems like I forgot to set a time on the poll. sorry, day is standard 48 hours, so ending tonight at the usual 10 pm BST/5 pm EDT.

@112
@Delta
@DrWilgy
@Epignosis
@falcon45ca

ty boss

112 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:38 pm i'm here until the hour turns, then i have an appointment to go to.

just for @DrWilgy i'm not sure falcon showing conviction in his reads is particularly towny for him. i see him hard-pushing a mischop without a firm basis, when if he were town i'd expect to see more actual reasoning involved. he also had an early vote on zenon before he changed to xan. i think he was just attacking low-hanging fruit.

Falcon used to be a very polarized player. W falcon would rand and then he'd be kinda stuck because Falcon doesn't like lying.

In Scooby Doo Mafia, Falcon somewhat broke this polarization, however was far more fluffy and far more "ahh, yes yes" than they are here. W Falcon can and will go "I think it's here and here" but there's never been the gusto behind it that I saw with Xan. I'd advise skimming his ISO in Scooby Doo ihere if you get the time: viewtopic.php?t=2485

I just compared this Falcon to Scooby Doo falcon. I don't think Scooby Doo Falcon ever makes the following post:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:15 am

Xanjori wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:07 am I can't believe I'm being voted for being nice, it's like no matter how i post I'll be wolf read for it.

I am voting for you this game for the drastic shift in tone from your last game, and I was TRing you last game after your cranky spats and oddly stubborn would views.




There's a difference.

I really think falc thought they caught Xan. I don't think Scum Falcon would be able to present an AHA! Like this specifically.

So unless one of you three are bussing there's no way there's a W falcon. Bussing rn doesn't make sense, so it's a matter of figuring out which of you is just incorrect.

@Epignosis how familiar are you with Falcon's meta while going through these lists?

Gm

Actually have some time today so that's fun.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:39 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:17 pm I'm voting in Delta/Esooa today, mainly because I refuse to believe that I'm 0 for 4 on reads.

I didn't trust my instincts in Se7en and we lost for it. Imma channel that salty energy.

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine. I'm sorry fam.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:45 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:38 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:38 pm Delta ISO would be another 4 page effort. I'm good for now.

NEXT

boooo
its 90% shitposting anyway its not that hard

No... Too many braincells. Would rather call Delta friend and take nap.

What changed from then to now?

Nothing changed, I just didn't feel like investing the energy on the pursuit of Delta analysis while my suspicion of Tutuu was still around.

I had initially thought that there was one in Falcon, Belzy or Tutuu.

However reading through Falcon and Belzy I was dissuaded there. Tutuu not so much.

Now that Tutuu is gone and I still don't think I'd hit a wolf in Belzy, Falcon, it's a matter of sorting the outliers who I had scummy gut reads on (Delta, Esooa), but nothing beyond that.

Oh dammit man. I need to remember to save the polls.

Half my solving is looking there and without them I feel nerfed.

I'm voting in Delta/Esooa today, mainly because I refuse to believe that I'm 0 for 4 on reads.

I didn't trust my instincts in Se7en and we lost for it. Imma channel that salty energy.

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine. I'm sorry fam.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 6:17 pm

112 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 5:47 pm @falcon45ca - how do you reconcile tedxtr dying with your claims of being town?

I fail to see what one has to do with the other

Like, what's the implication here and why is it being implied like so?

If you have something to say, then why not say it?

[VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

Esooa is also fine lol, I just would rather prevent shenanigans since I can't have my perfect tie it seems.

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:48 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:48 pm The thread is so quiet. I am doubting everything now.

agreed D: I feel like I'm hanging around waiting for people but just

shouting into the void

No doubts. Only peace.

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:18 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:13 pm things are too quiet again T_T

@DrWilgy
give me 2 names you'd kill here

Tutuu/Esooa

Could drop you and Ted into that mix, but I think if we hit one in Tutuu Esooa we'll be golden.

get me out of there smh
would vote tutuu, hesitant on esooa right now

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine
let's go?

Our perfect tie has been destroyed.

Sadness.

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:13 pm things are too quiet again T_T

@DrWilgy
give me 2 names you'd kill here

Tutuu/Esooa

Could drop you and Ted into that mix, but I think if we hit one in Tutuu Esooa we'll be golden.

we have ascended

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:08 pm wow babe, those are some nice wagons

It's so close to perfect, but Delta won't let it happen TT_TT

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:05 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:57 pm None of y'all being interested in the super tie has me sad.

I'm interested, I'm here D:

THEN VOTE ZENON MY FRIEND!

None of y'all being interested in the super tie has me sad.

112 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:46 pm well, all falcon did d1 was tunnel xan and i'm not sure how drwilgy comes out and says falcon had a towny d1

most of what he wrote was fluff.

Falcon mafia pushes multiple angles and slanks.

Town Falcon follows a sort of hunter's whimsy? I see the latter in the behavior. Falcon at the very least cared who he was voting and that's not W falcon.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:09 am

@112 @Delta

can one of u vote zenon please?

perfection

We'd immediately achieve global victory.

Everyone, even non players, even non registered, would get a win.

Then we'd all ascend and take our seats amongst the Mafia gods.

Our apotheosis would shake all the realms.

A thousand vocaroos of choir would be heard.

Even the furthest reaches would see our tie, and know the rightful Mafia divinities had finally at last returned.

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:17 am ted doesn't seem like mafia but I'll think about it with a vote

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

His cases feel more salient, his considerations EoD about Xanjori being a wagon all day fair and he still was like meh and voted him anyways. Seems town from recollection

May I interest you in a wagon?

[VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

112 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:22 pm we could all be voting for falcon right now..

lol, Falcon also comes off as T during d1. What is the reason why this isn't the case?

112 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 8:39 pm i'm recently caught up

[VOTE: epi] aubergine

less sure of Belzy at this point of reading

also not entirely sure what Delta's problem is with me but also don't think he's wolfing.

mentioned some things about epi earlier iirc. in my catching up, someone spoke about his political tone and then some of his posts have felt very 'hello, fellow villagers' to me.

Was this the only reason you SR Epi?

Just looked at the polls and I see that I'm a minority on the Epi read it seems.
Epi thinking they caught W Seanzie and pushing hard for it is something I expect of T Epi. Further, unless Seanzie was putting Epi's teammate at risk, does W Epi murderify their coastable tunnel they established?

Current brain juice:
Falc
Belz

Epi

Esooa

Tutuu

ISO w/Notes

Esooa:
453 - Tiptoes around the Xan suspicion
467 - Belzy T with waffles
468 - Accuses Delta of having TMI
469 - Falcon T
585 - Epi, Belzy, Xan town
702 - Seanzie T for back and forth with Xan on Esooa's alignment
704 - Delta/Xan T/T
709 - Xan ? wolf? more waffles
764 - Votes Zenon
766 - Votes Epi
770 - Belzy supposed bus on Xan
778 - votes Tutuu/Zenon? Not Zenon
788 - votes Wilgy
800 - Belzy T
923 - Votes Tutuu

d2
936 - Delta W
947 - Explains the vote jumping EoD


thinks:
Esooa's ISO is weird. There's alot of waffling around the alignment of Xan and Belzy, WHILE at the same time being able to town call Epi, Falcon and Seanzie (which was the only one that had a reason for.)
This makes me think that they were waffley on those who would attract eyes, pocketing the lower posters and had TMI on townies that were being pocketed (esp with Seanzie being the only explained tr).

HOWEVER EoD would be weird for a wolf, as Xan meant there was no stake in their yeet. No need for the EoD tomfoolery unless it was strictly to either set up some distance/pockets for the future.

So the idea is I can see a W with TMI on the thread D1 while at the same time I can see a T scrambling to deal with what was perceived as a 0 resistance yeet.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:48 pm can you also @ me
I wont miss them but I'll be back in a bit & it gives me something to look into once I'm back

Damn, I feel called out.

@112 if you could @ me when you have some reads that'd be helpful as I may miss them as I go through ISOs.

Have a slight suspicion that you've subbed into an annoyed wolf slot just based on data from this cycle and how the game pre-rerand was going.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:38 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:38 pm Delta ISO would be another 4 page effort. I'm good for now.

NEXT

boooo
its 90% shitposting anyway its not that hard

No... Too many braincells. Would rather call Delta friend and take nap.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:42 pmwait is it lylo?

I really hope we aren't in a timeline where it is.

ISO w/Notes

Epi:
278 - Votes Belzy
561 - Votes Seanzie on a TMI argument and somewhat of a no u
566 - Iterates why the TMI argument exists

That's really it.

Light townlean for Epi.

Delta ISO would be another 4 page effort. I'm good for now.

NEXT

ISO w/Notes

Belzy:
d1
418 - disapproves of Xan's response to Falcon
420 - shouts wolf at Xan without real interaction
425 - Calls Xan wolf for what was a joke about Zenon
452 - Theorizes a Xan/Sean team
516 - shouts wolf at Zenon
552 - Theorizes a Xan/Epi team
630/633 - Finds Tutuu's actions wolfy
635 - Theorizes a Xan/Tutuu team
741 - Tutuu wolf because reads are not developing in spite of presence
843 - Evaluates Wilg

d2
911 - Zenon wolf call
912 - Tutuu eod1 towny
995 - lynch order list

Belzy's most likely town. I do think that the suspicion on Xan was not iterated as much as I'd like to be comfortable saying it came from a town, BUT the work Belzy did looking to alternate players to either vote or align with the Xan read seems like it's coming from a towny place.

I am curious about the current Tutuu read as Tutuu was called towny in 912, but was put 2nd to the top of the yeetables in 995.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:29 pm though speaking of your reads

..what are your reads wilgy?

Belzy town, Falcon town.

Those are the two ISO's I've been through.

Had a feeling that it was between Belzy/Falcon/Tutuu D1. Now I just think it's Tutuu. HOWEVER recent Zenonings have caught my attention and I need to look into this.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:28 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:25 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:23 pm my brain is currently structured at like:

belzy
drwilgy
esooa

epignosis
falcon
tedxtr

tutuu
112

with tutuu/112 being more yellowish/hazy than actual scumreads, struggling to find something that feels right to me right now. those lower down are more 'i want to hear more from them' than 'raaah wolf'. same for the tier above them. though ill speak to anyone really i feel like ive stumbled into today with no real gameplan.
i can explain any of these if anyone is interested?

also. i realise ive managed to have a completely alphabetical reads list. nice.

How am I possibly so high up on this list?

i think someone mentioned earlier that the kill being off your wagon meant that its probably to keep your wagon alive? and i want to put some trust into that because i have. 0 fucking clue how nka works :^)

the tiers are alphabetical rather than ranked, ideally out of you/belzy/esooa youd be the lower of the three because i have 0 semblance of your reads right now and trying to get your read on falcon d1 was like pulling teeth T_T

i wanted my neat looking reads list

I mean, was it really like pulling teeth? I just wasn't around lol.

Falcon was very underwhelming early d1 and avoided me calling them out, which I normally attribute to their w gameplan.

However, their later posts put them back in their townrange.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:23 pm my brain is currently structured at like:

belzy
drwilgy
esooa

epignosis
falcon
tedxtr

tutuu
112

with tutuu/112 being more yellowish/hazy than actual scumreads, struggling to find something that feels right to me right now. those lower down are more 'i want to hear more from them' than 'raaah wolf'. same for the tier above them. though ill speak to anyone really i feel like ive stumbled into today with no real gameplan.
i can explain any of these if anyone is interested?

also. i realise ive managed to have a completely alphabetical reads list. nice.

How am I possibly so high up on this list?

@Belzy what is your current and most updated read on Tutuu?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:19 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:03 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:45 pm I think xanjori wagon if he's a wolf is pure

Wolves who can be trying to save him are Tutuu (not a valid town read on Xanjori imo) or Ted (voting belzy, cased Delta who is opposition to xan)

Now then moving on

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:47 pm Xanjori wagon:

Delta falcon seanzie belzy Zenon

Maybe belzy can bus but meh on that

Zenon also doesn't bus and wouldn't have here

zenon buses a lot

In the vast expanse of my personal experiential trajectory, encompassing countless traversals through the intricacies of temporal realms and the kaleidoscopic tapestry of the observable universe, I must regrettably confess that, to the best of my recollections and scholarly investigations, I have never been bestowed with the opportunity to witness the mythical manifestation of the Zenon bus, that ethereal embodiment of terrestrial transit devised by ingenious minds and forged in the crucible of technological prowess. Alas, it appears that the Zenon bus, with its enigmatic allure and purported vehicular virtuosity, lies beyond the periphery of my firsthand encounters, residing in the recesses of unexplored domains, forever eluding my gaze. Moreover, given the trove of information available to me and the comprehensive comprehension that I possess, I am inclined to opine that the likelihood of the Zenon bus traversing the geographical boundaries within the grasp of those colloquially deemed as "scum," a cohort that ostensibly lacks the means or the inclination to embrace such technological marvels, seems unfathomably remote, if not altogether implausible.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:00 pm So, we are looking like:

Wilgy:
Esooa, Ted, Zenon
Xan:
Belzy, Delta, Falcon, Tutuu, Seanzie
Seanzie:
Epi
Falcon:
Wilgy

Anyone care to validate? I attempted to go through the aubergines and found immediately that Esooa's vote per your list doesn't match with their last d1 aubergine, so either this is incorrect and we need to rebuild it jointly, OR we just had some ninja votes tossed in prior to EoD?

Only 8 players were voting?

I count 10.

Xan's missing vote would be the 11th.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:00 pm So, we are looking like:

Wilgy:
Esooa, Ted, Zenon
Xan:
Belzy, Delta, Falcon, Tutuu, Seanzie
Seanzie:
Epi
Falcon:
Wilgy

Anyone care to validate? I attempted to go through the aubergines and found immediately that Esooa's vote per your list doesn't match with their last d1 aubergine, so either this is incorrect and we need to rebuild it jointly, OR we just had some ninja votes tossed in prior to EoD?

I was voting you and Tutuu said I was

If I didn't announce it then I didn't but I was voting you

Aye, and the list above is cleaned up regarding what Tutuu had said. TY for validating where you were, we'll see if this list holds up as others chime in.

Skimmed Falcon, they can come out of my suspicion for now. Their Xan push was indicative of T Falcon.

So, we are looking like:

Wilgy:
Esooa, Ted, Zenon
Xan:
Belzy, Delta, Falcon, Tutuu, Seanzie
Seanzie:
Epi
Falcon:
Wilgy

Anyone care to validate? I attempted to go through the aubergines and found immediately that Esooa's vote per your list doesn't match with their last d1 aubergine, so either this is incorrect and we need to rebuild it jointly, OR we just had some ninja votes tossed in prior to EoD?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 9:00 pm I think it's Tutuu/epi/Zenon

Is Epi/Zenon in your ISO? Or may I request a tldr?

My vote should've still been on Falcon.

Xan was the greater consensus though, I just don't recall at what number they were.

We care to assist in rebuilding the poll?

The lack of poll data is concerning.

No one has that on hand huh?

How did Xan become such a strong consensus?