The Syndicate

Actually, yes it is weird that Epi would voice that they are cool with being clipped for being unable to play, WHILE at the same time moving vote to the wagon that's more likely to take off.

It is possible that Falcon moved from Sig onto Abigail to pull Epi out of the lead, so there's that assoc. Falc/Epi W/W could be real.

I'd not think Falcon moved from Sig to Abigail to save sig.

It's also entirely possible that AFK W Epi, while not being able to invest as much time into this game, moved so that they were on a higher chance wagon as afew players such as LC/SVS had voiced that they see town in Sig. Epi not able to commit time to the game would naturally want to move to the wagon that increases their survival chance as their wagon at the time of their move was 1 behind Sig and would've been seen as riskier than Abigail.

WHEN looking at the polls, I find myself asking WHERE are the wolf votes, and mefinks out of the players who have voted, the jankiest vote is Epi.

Epi was at two with both the LC's votes when they moved from Sig to Abigail.

Sig was at 3 alongside me and Epi.

Epi moving put themself, Sig and Abigail all at 2.

Catchup was short.

Suppose I can reread before EoD if no further developments occur.

Abigail being low energy can come from either alignment methinks. Abigail hasn't done anything to show they are town. Abigail's read on me could be TMI, but does wolf Abigail bank on that one TMI read? I don't know.

Conclusion: Abigail going over is fine I think? I wouldn't put Abigail first of the PoE to toss, but we do still need to collect data on the slot. I think solving in Sig/Epi would be better.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:43 am we should threaten to chop Epi every day unless he records a cover of a Simlish song for us

this is the way

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:36 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:26 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:24 am This is the game where I will not to do much because I don't have time (until weekend, at least) but also I don't have to, because I have a pretty solid town core.

SVS is also out of 'who I would chop toDay' list.

Wait who's all in that?

Based on my memory me, you, Long Con, Wilgy, Roxy, adding SVS for that post.
Idk if Sin is making that push as a wolf, I don’t like the read but also he seems confident he can read me, which is untrue but also what if his impression is true for him?
Also I think I like Syn, passed the vibe test.
Last 2 out of town core.
I am probably very generous with the reads, but also this feels like a light game so it's ok for D1

That leaves your PoE in likeness to mine. What are the chances that this is real?

Last time someone was mostly in sync with me it was W Scotty. Michelle has done enough for me to believe this worldview and I agree with it, so I'm unsure if I'm being fleeced.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:15 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:02 am

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:54 am wilgy is a wolf because he's establishing an agenda/worldview that everyone else is now rotating around. he's set the terms and conditions for everyone else's casing, their arguments. he's set it up so that there's uncontested wolf-claims against people who are just outright afk, and then set up easy mischops for later days by picking holes in every little thing someone says with posts that pretend at reason, both of which will be looked at by others as Villager Effort and as a reason to wolf-read the people he nitpicked

'everyone else is now rotating around' - do I just have the ability to force what people think and inquire? I think I've been very fair in responding to feedback on my own personal suspicions as the give take of interaction is absolutely necessary to come to the correct conclusions.

uncontested wolf claims - Abigail, Epi and Daisy? Both Abigail and Epi have been around to argue with me and they've chosen not to. Assuming Daisy never showed up, would you just be fine leaving the slot out of PoE? Why?

set up easy mischops for later days by picking holes in every little thing someone says with posts that pretend at reason - how the hell can I do this? You assume that if I'm W, town is going to just follow my pretend reasons and that's my entire play?

It feels that your entire worldview is centered around 'Wolf Wilgy is trying to townlead and that's scary' without actually arguing the pretend reasons that you are scared of.

most of this I cannot respond to, since it attempts to uwu-ify yourself in direct contradiction to your active attempts to do exactly what you're rejecting the premise of

you can't force people, no. but people pay attention to effort and posts that are structured a certain way. and of course wolves will build an environment that will be beneficial for them days later. that's the entire goal! so they can win!

you say they "have been around" and chose not to engage with you, but did they engage with anyone else in a meaningful way? a few drive-by "eh whatevs" replies seems to be the sum total. daisy meanwhile wasn't around at all except tonight to say she's not around. i mean. what is the case here. what's the pro-town take here. what is there to suspect. do you just want to do housekeeping and purge people who aren't committed to posting as much, alignment be damned? because i can't see this poe being from the perspective of wanting to hunt wolves

Does this mean to soften/break down my own arguments? I'm not sure what you mean by the first statement.

Aye, but is it also not true that town desire to do this as well? Town want a healthy environment and gamestate that encourages hunting and forces the wolves into a posture where they can be caught. It's basically how town win as well.

Yes, house keeping to an extent. Further it's to drive discussion AROUND those players as options as I've indicated that they are in fact, options. This discussion does not need to necessarily come from them. I.E. I can draw conclusions from you opposing the PoE of 3 lesser posters and Sig/Falc, it helps me read you in that scenario as someone who had opposition to the thought. Lastly regarding the PoE having 3/5 low posters, there are arguments to be made on most players for how they can come across as both town and wolfy as it stands, but I'm finding alot more arguments for town intention from those who are posting (exception sig). That inherently results in trying to encourage dialogue on those posting more minimally.

Is 'Wolf Wilgy is trying to townlead and that's scary' a genuine worldview?

Possibly?

Town COULD in fact pick up this worldview assuming they see me hyperposting and don't believe what I'm posting. However, Syn choosing to not dispute exactly what is and isn't me faking as wolf makes this hard to prove as I can't really tell if Syn actually thinks I'm pretending.

If it's not a genuine worldview, it is a weird dichotomy to force. Why not just go with momentum and shoot me if I'm remotely accurate in my reads.

Meh, the 2nd point is strong actually. Syn's likely town with messed up worldview.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:59 am I promised no activity, I hate you all

afk bye

but activity is fun

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:58 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:52 am @Syn skipping the wallposts, you could at least respond to the short hand replies I've given you. I.e. me asking what fallacy I could've made earlier and regarding you not actually reading my poe previously. Pretty sure you should've been notified of them by means of me quoting you.

How am I supposed to tell the difference between civ Syn who's wrong and wolf Syn who's down to just keep barking the same thing over and over again?

also, the fallacy post was a joke (both you and michelle are taking everything hyper-seriously for some reason), and to be honest, daisy being on an earlier POE is even worse, given that she only started posting 2 hours ago. so what was she doing in your earlier POE with 0 posts?

Someone has to get us through rvs so we can come to conclusions.

Why would an AFK not be on the game solving PoE? Why would they be exempt? PoE means if all 5 are hit, you'd hit the two wolves.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:54 am wilgy is a wolf because he's establishing an agenda/worldview that everyone else is now rotating around. he's set the terms and conditions for everyone else's casing, their arguments. he's set it up so that there's uncontested wolf-claims against people who are just outright afk, and then set up easy mischops for later days by picking holes in every little thing someone says with posts that pretend at reason, both of which will be looked at by others as Villager Effort and as a reason to wolf-read the people he nitpicked

'everyone else is now rotating around' - do I just have the ability to force what people think and inquire? I think I've been very fair in responding to feedback on my own personal suspicions as the give take of interaction is absolutely necessary to come to the correct conclusions.

uncontested wolf claims - Abigail, Epi and Daisy? Both Abigail and Epi have been around to argue with me and they've chosen not to. Assuming Daisy never showed up, would you just be fine leaving the slot out of PoE? Why?

set up easy mischops for later days by picking holes in every little thing someone says with posts that pretend at reason - how the hell can I do this? You assume that if I'm W, town is going to just follow my pretend reasons and that's my entire play?

It feels that your entire worldview is centered around 'Wolf Wilgy is trying to townlead and that's scary' without actually arguing the pretend reasons that you are scared of.

@Syn skipping the wallposts, you could at least respond to the short hand replies I've given you. I.e. me asking what fallacy I could've made earlier and regarding you not actually reading my poe previously. Pretty sure you should've been notified of them by means of me quoting you.

How am I supposed to tell the difference between civ Syn who's wrong and wolf Syn who's down to just keep barking the same thing over and over again?

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:47 am wilgy knows in a battle of wim he'll always out-class me, since I don't duel with wall-posts and structured paragraphs

but this is him wolfing

wilgy knows that there's no way to read you as you are proceeding like this.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:42 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:35 am You have some good points, but it is tainted by those parts that try to inject a level of negativity where a reasonable look should see other, equally probable, reasons.

And does this argument not also apply to Syn stating that my assoc is false? Shouldn't Syn also have a reasonable ability to see where I am equally probable as civ to be making assocs?

Damned if you do, but damned if you don't Wilgy, but only you for some reason.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:35 am You have some good points, but it is tainted by those parts that try to inject a level of negativity where a reasonable look should see other, equally probable, reasons.

And does this argument not also apply to Syn stating that my assoc is false? Shouldn't Syn also have a reasonable ability to see where I am equally probable as civ to be making assocs?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:35 am "Clearly didn't read" isn't what I got from that. He could have read it all and come to those conclusions. If you are a wolf, you're just annoyed that he didn't get softened by your stated level of flexibility.

I dont agree with that, had Syn read it all and come to those conclusions the commentary on Daisy in the PoE re "and then the first person who entered the thread when he was catching up" wouldn't have been made. It would've been apparent that Daisy had always been in my PoE.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:35 am "discouraging" thing... as I understood it, he's calling the hunting fake, not discouraging hunting.

Possible, but meh, still bad feel. I think it's more constructive to state WHY it's fake, not that it's fake. It being midway through D1 is not a good enough reason.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:18 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:30 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:28 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:19 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:16 pm So we're doing mountainous. What's the best way to approach day one of mountainous?

Lynch All Mafia






Same as every game dude

Sounds like a plan. Abby is due for a wolfin', you think?

Abi is always due for a wolfin' but in terms of recency, Abi was just wolf.

statistics fallacy, this is a wolf

Some gotcha silliness. I responded to this and Syn ignored.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:08 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:36 am ☆Princess Abigail☆ 3 Voters: falcon45ca, DrWilgy, Michelle

Now it looks better.
Mafia folklore says the first wagon of 3 voters always contain a wolf, including the voted player

Please discuss..

drwilgy

Alotta nothing.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:23 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:05 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:08 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:36 am ☆Princess Abigail☆ 3 Voters: falcon45ca, DrWilgy, Michelle

Now it looks better.
Mafia folklore says the first wagon of 3 voters always contain a wolf, including the voted player

Please discuss..

drwilgy

He could be





Do you have strong gut feels? What makes you think the Doctor is Kevorkian?

bad vibes

add michelle to that tbh

wolf wonder twins

Alotta nothing.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:01 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:20 pm Okay tried fully catching up but I saw Wilgy posting more paragraphs and I got bored and started posting.

Hello everyone.

it's wolf indicative

Alotta nothing.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:03 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:36 pm I'll take your read with some salt. The PoE is beeg enough for that. Sig is wolfier than Epi/Abigail/Daisy/Falc, but I think Epi/Abigail/Daisy are all fine PoE wise as well.

where'd this name come from

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:06 am Wilgy's POE is two afk people and then the first person who entered the thread when he was catching up

Clearly didn't read my earlier posts.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:04 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:41 pm Falcon is weird, as Falcon is not W/W with Sig at this point and IF Sig is W, Falc is surely T.

Generally when reading I look for knockout Falcon T posts, and while a few are close, I don't think any are quite there yet.

there is no world where we are seriously making associative reads midway through d1 lol

and discouraging of me looking for wolves.

Syn's ISO and interactions with me are poot. Almost makes me inclined to go against my previous decision to pull from PoE in spite of knowing that's probably the incorrect thing to do at this juncture.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:03 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:36 pm I'll take your read with some salt. The PoE is beeg enough for that. Sig is wolfier than Epi/Abigail/Daisy/Falc, but I think Epi/Abigail/Daisy are all fine PoE wise as well.

where'd this name come from

Like, should've Daisy been exempt from PoE for reasons? Even afk, we'd need to deal eventually.

Syns not even trying to read me lol

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:04 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:41 pm Falcon is weird, as Falcon is not W/W with Sig at this point and IF Sig is W, Falc is surely T.

Generally when reading I look for knockout Falcon T posts, and while a few are close, I don't think any are quite there yet.

there is no world where we are seriously making associative reads midway through d1 lol

Why not? Do you think Sig and I could be on a team? This almost feels discouraging of trying to hunt wolves.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:06 am Wilgy's POE is two afk people and then the first person who entered the thread when he was catching up

Wowee it's almost like I said this earlier:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:51 pm 12 player game
10 v 2

4 mischop game.

PoE of 5 that includes both wolves solves the game.

PoE [Abigail, Sig, Epi, Daisy, Falc]

Opinions?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:49 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:48 pm I'M CALLIN THE POLICE

I'm actually the Chief of Police in Sims 4.

Sometimes Wilgette would make the Wilgy Sim most definitely a doctor.

I'M CALLIN THE POLICE

If we play by the early wagon rule, and ignore the first one as that was kinda artificially established by Michelle, there being one in Sig/Epi/Me/Falc. I could see it in either Sig or Epi atm.

Falcon is weird, as Falcon is not W/W with Sig at this point and IF Sig is W, Falc is surely T.

Generally when reading I look for knockout Falcon T posts, and while a few are close, I don't think any are quite there yet.

Maybe I pull Daisy from that list, Daisy seems to be parsing the sig/falc/me kerfuffle.

I look forward to their conclusions.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:34 pm BTW I don't agree with Sig's reads but I'm letting him live to see how things go.

DrWilgy...kinda same idk what he's doing but I'm letting him live.

me eat wolbes.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:22 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:05 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:02 pm @Long Con, so you think my treatment of Sig was hypocritical and that seems to be the argument for why my vote doesn't feel right?

You prefer Sig over Falcon as if one has to be T and one has to be W in the argument you presented above. What level 9 responses are you seeing from Sig?

I guess further @Long Con, since your Sig opinions seem to be in comparison to me and Falc, what's your Sig read in isolation? What do you think comes from a townie mindset if you think that?

I think sig looks towny, and it's because of his interactions with you and falcon, rather than in isolation from them: I think his progression on you is more reaction and less agenda, and I think his responses to falcon were good. I've read every sig post more than once, looking for a reason to suspect him, and I still put him on my townlist... that said, I'd have to go back to his ISO and specifically pick posts that don't involve you or falcon and see. I don't have any ready to reference offhand, but probably calling a lot of them AI would a little forced.

I'll do the same and see if I can see this. Alot of my issue right now is that it feels fake and ninja dipping when pointing out that they again have a read that's already been presented. Like, ANY bit of argument that their reads were their own would've been better lol.

I think you and falcon are either taking him too seriously, or putting on an act of doing so. The ninja-dip doesn't bother me at all. Like... he'll be back. He talks when he's here.

Aye, the ninja dip shows me that they were here though lol. Any acknowledgement of my arguments would've been better.

And like the response I did get:

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:50 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:34 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:39 pm So far not much content.

Epi isn’t joking around D1 that’s a bit of a ping
Michelle is being active, but not in a towny way so that’s a slight ping.


Wilgy and Syn both get a town lean.

Damn, this is a wolf.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

3/4 of these opinions aren't Sig certified thoughts tm.

Michelle has plenty of post to point out how in fact they are not townie in spite of plenty saying contrary.

Sig giving me a tl lmao

Why not ask why you get a town read instead of voting?

Also in a thread of 12 people it makes sense to weight in on what’s already been said and discussed so your point is moot.

I responded to asking why should I ask why, and I think a towny response WOULD'VE been something along the lines of 'but I thought I did elaborate enough' because that's what I normally think when someone doesn't get my thoughts. That kinda just didn't happen.

I'll take your read with some salt. The PoE is beeg enough for that. Sig is wolfier than Epi/Abigail/Daisy/Falc, but I think Epi/Abigail/Daisy are all fine PoE wise as well.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:21 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:02 pm @Long Con, so you think my treatment of Sig was hypocritical and that seems to be the argument for why my vote doesn't feel right?

You prefer Sig over Falcon as if one has to be T and one has to be W in the argument you presented above. What level 9 responses are you seeing from Sig?

Well, you said hypocritical, not me, that doesn't taste like the flavour I was saucin', but I guess it's in the vicinity. You gave a false reason for changing the PoE. You implied you put faith in sig's read on Syn, after you disparaged that very read and called it wolfy.

I don't think sig-falcon has to be T-W. I don't think I implied that beyond a possible hypothetical. Like, GTH, falcon dies over sig.

falcon was the level 9 one, sig was the level 1 one. sig said something practically innocuous, and falcon throttled him and said "why aren't you calling him WOLFYYYY?".

If you think I'm putting out a fallacious argument in form of wolf push and you've identified it through what appears to be hypocrisy, by all means state it as such. Wolves can be caught this way lol.

Please see my more detailed elaboration:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:46 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:43 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:55 pm Brad and Sig both vouching for Syn is reason enough to pull from D1 PoE.

Really? You have no thoughts on your own? Feels funky to use someone else's read to pull someone from your own POE.

Also I am not making any sort of POE until we have a few more posts.

why is it funky? I've expressed Syn is wolfy (thoughts on my own), 2 players have expressed the opposite.

If either are wolf, it reads of tmi which indicates Syn is town.

If either are town, it implies that reading Syn as town is genuine and I can be wrong.

Again, my PoE shift had nothing to do with faith in a read, more so with pattern and possibility chances that I explained to Roxy after I realized it may not be as upfront as I thought it was.

Also, I suppose I can elaborate further on mindset here on this statement in red if that's the issue. WHEN I can be wrong at this stage in the game, it's more likely than not that I am wrong because of the limited data we have. I'd rather trust the likely civs around me if there's a dichotomy that enforces civ thinking, as there are more avenues of thinking than just 1 player, 1 wagon, 1 poe. The PoE I present this day phase, will very likely look nothing like the PoE going into d3, d4 etc. It's the difference between I think this player is town but wrong and I'll argue with them and I think this player is town, BUT I should play to the chance that I'm wrong.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:05 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:02 pm @Long Con, so you think my treatment of Sig was hypocritical and that seems to be the argument for why my vote doesn't feel right?

You prefer Sig over Falcon as if one has to be T and one has to be W in the argument you presented above. What level 9 responses are you seeing from Sig?

I guess further @Long Con, since your Sig opinions seem to be in comparison to me and Falc, what's your Sig read in isolation? What do you think comes from a townie mindset if you think that?

I think sig looks towny, and it's because of his interactions with you and falcon, rather than in isolation from them: I think his progression on you is more reaction and less agenda, and I think his responses to falcon were good. I've read every sig post more than once, looking for a reason to suspect him, and I still put him on my townlist... that said, I'd have to go back to his ISO and specifically pick posts that don't involve you or falcon and see. I don't have any ready to reference offhand, but probably calling a lot of them AI would a little forced.

I'll do the same and see if I can see this. Alot of my issue right now is that it feels fake and ninja dipping when pointing out that they again have a read that's already been presented. Like, ANY bit of argument that their reads were their own would've been better lol.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:07 pm Worth it though.

Hell yeah!

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:06 pm I don't feel like you addressed my issue with your posts.

Your true issue with sig isn't really a factor here. You called him a wolf for it, and complained about his Syn read. So.. it was quasi-counterfeit because Syn didn't give proper credit to his threadecessors, but it was true enough to reference as half the reason you changed your PoE?

First two paragraphs of your response are about how you are looking at sig, and why you called him a wolf. You could have said "sig is using AI to generate suspicions and I think he's a wolf for it" and I'd have the same questions about YOUR conduct.

Third paragraph is not easy to understand. "The quote of mine" - is that the second quote above, about D1 PoE? "Comes from my civ mind" reminds me of "my dessert stomach isn't full" or something. I'm not synced with the metaphor here. You indicated where which thought originated from? The thought of "Brad and sig like Syn, so remove him"? I don't see where that originated from, blah argh, honestly please just rewrite that last part if you don't mind, it's incomprehensible to me. I'm sorry.

You've lost me my friend.

"it was quasi-counterfeit because Syn didn't give proper credit to his threadecessors, but it was true enough to reference as half the reason you changed your PoE" - I'm not sure what this means. my PoE was changed because two players in the game voiced a town read on a player within PoE. As I discussed with Roxy, If either are wolf, it reads of tmi which indicates Syn is town and should be pulled from PoE. If either are town, it implies that reading Syn as town is genuine and I can be wrong and should be pulled from PoE. I do not give a huge amount of weight to the reads individually, but give them weight as they were done in unison at this stage of the game.

"sig is using AI to generate suspicions and I think he's a wolf for it" - AI?

The quote of mine is:
"Brad and Sig both vouching for Syn is reason enough to pull from D1 PoE."
to which you responded:
... you speak like your respect for these opinions is enough for you to change the Gameplan A PoE?

SO my understanding is you have an argument of hypocrisy for me to base a PoE shift of Syn based on other voices, but argue Sig shouldn't be doing the same? In the 3rd response that you don't get, I'm elaborating that it's not the basing of others, it's the presentation of organic thought, and I detail where my conclusion of thought comes from, and where Sig's didn't feel that way to me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:02 pm @Long Con, so you think my treatment of Sig was hypocritical and that seems to be the argument for why my vote doesn't feel right?

You prefer Sig over Falcon as if one has to be T and one has to be W in the argument you presented above. What level 9 responses are you seeing from Sig?

I guess further @Long Con, since your Sig opinions seem to be in comparison to me and Falc, what's your Sig read in isolation? What do you think comes from a townie mindset if you think that?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:01 pm I just read all four pages and still don't understand where all the srsbsns started from. Also weird that someone said that Epi wasn't joking since he was having a playful convo with someone in the sim language.

I haven't played sims for years and years. So as far as theme, I probably won't be that fun. But I saw the player list looked fun and decided to jump in.

Quite afew of us, (myself included) seem to have pushed us out of the random voting stage of the game. Reasons for voting have been supplied by players, some thin and some strong. That's very likely where the game feel comes from.

@Long Con, so you think my treatment of Sig was hypocritical and that seems to be the argument for why my vote doesn't feel right?

You prefer Sig over Falcon as if one has to be T and one has to be W in the argument you presented above. What level 9 responses are you seeing from Sig?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 10:28 pm I'll take that high five.

It's... not too lively in here. I keep coming back and just going over the last couple of pages. I'm getting nitpicky.

Yeah, it's kinda dead.

Was hoping I'd have more to pry to.

Don't think my initial reads have shifted much.

Epi not returning gives me no reason to move them.
Sig responding to my suspicion with ninja emoji doesn't give me much to work with.
Syn just kinda pushes and doesn't elaborate so there's not much there.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:18 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:06 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:04 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:46 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:32 pm That post implying Epi is town is pretty bad, can you explain if I get it right?
@sig do you town read Epignosis? and why?

I personally do not have enough posts to read Epi one way or the other, how about you?

No, i have no read rn

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:48 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:55 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:39 pm So far not much content.

Epi isn’t joking around D1 that’s a bit of a ping
Michelle is being active, but not in a towny way so that’s a slight ping.


Wilgy and Syn both get a town lean.

How would you describe/define Michelle's activity as not being towny?





It's one thing to say, but what does it actually mean

thats a lot of work for day 1.

She seems to be looking for reasons to vote people rather than trying to solve the game.

There’s also some tone reasons as well. I’m usually pretty good at reading her and here she just doesn’t seem very Civvie

What's the difference between a pressure vote and solving?
We didn't play enough to know how to read me tonally, so I don't understand this meta take here.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:51 pm My newest theory is that Michelle and Wilgy are mafia together.

It’s very odd how quickly Wilgy jumped on that read and then proceeded to vote for me.

And you think we are both so bad at the game that you figured things out so easy.

I honestly think he is town, as well as Brad and Long Con, and I liked Roxy as town lean as well.
These are people I am not going to vote toDay even if the reads are not solid yet.

Abigail didn't show any solving intent. My vote stays.

I 100% disagree that we haven’t played enough for this, also even ignoring that your response to a single person calling you mafia and not even pushing it is telling. You’re acting like mafia that was caught for a dumb/not real reason and is now annoyed.

Also the vote for Abi has some very weak reasoning.

I agree with this assessment of Wilgy's reaction. It doesn't look good.

why doesn't it look good? Just what I responded to already?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:16 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:07 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:06 pm @sig tell me about good and bad 'hmm'
What gives your takes?

Wilgy is being mean to me and Syn isn’t

This kinda reads town sig to me, though.

lol implying wolf Sig wouldn't say this

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 9:20 pm Wilgy, something is fishy with this.

I snipped some of the irrelevant parts of this quote out, for clarity.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:44 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:40 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:34 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:39 pm So far not much content.

Epi isn’t joking around D1 that’s a bit of a ping
Michelle is being active, but not in a towny way so that’s a slight ping.


Wilgy and Syn both get a town lean.

Damn, this is a wolf.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

3/4 of these opinions aren't Sig certified thoughts tm.

Sig giving me a tl lmao

I'm not sure what constitutes "sig certified thoughts ™ " can you clarify what makes them not sig certified ™

3/4
Epi being wolf is an idea I threw out
Wilgy being town is an idea that Michelle threw out.
Syn being town is an idea that Brad threw out.

How do you resolve attacking sig for sheeping his t!Syn idea from Brad, calling him a wolf for it, but then:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:55 pm Brad and Sig both vouching for Syn is reason enough to pull from D1 PoE.

... you speak like your respect for these opinions is enough for you to change the Gameplan A PoE?

So my issue was never with what Sig did or didn't disagree with, nor was it making reads on the backs of others as that's a natural thing to do.

It was very much declaring the reads as if they were fresh off the brain, when 3 out of the 4, then later 4 out of the 5 were all things stated previously. It all comes across as an effort to add to the thread but not in a way that feels organic. I do think if ANY of the thought process Sig had, that looked similar to others, were organic, they would've had some thought process behind them showing that they did originate from town logic within their head, OR that they came from other players and they were stances of agreement disagreement.

The quote of mine you pulled comes from my civ mind, based on two players voice and I did attempt my best to indicate where the thought originated from. Sig I think skipped that step.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:07 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:06 pm @sig tell me about good and bad 'hmm'
What gives your takes?

Wilgy is being mean to me and Syn isn’t

YEET!

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:59 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:51 pm My newest theory is that Michelle and Wilgy are mafia together.

It’s very odd how quickly Wilgy jumped on that read and then proceeded to vote for me.

hmm

This isn’t a good hmm so I’ll give you 2

I'm having trouble believing that AFTER I stated you are wolfy for expressing ideas already in the thread as your own takes, you do it again with Syn's take on Michelle and I and it's in good faith lol

Also worth noting that the poll looked like:
☆Princess Abigail☆
3
33%
Voters: Michelle, DrWilgy, falcon45ca
DrWilgy
1
11%
Voters: Syn
Epignosis
1
11%
Voters: Long Con
sig
2
11%
Voters: Epignosis

prior to me and falcon moving.

☆Princess Abigail☆
1
11%
Voters: Michelle
DrWilgy
1
11%
Voters: Syn
Epignosis
1
11%
Voters: Long Con
sig
3
33%
Voters: Epignosis, DrWilgy, falcon45ca

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:51 pm My newest theory is that Michelle and Wilgy are mafia together.

It’s very odd how quickly Wilgy jumped on that read and then proceeded to vote for me.

hmm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:50 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:34 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:39 pm So far not much content.

Epi isn’t joking around D1 that’s a bit of a ping
Michelle is being active, but not in a towny way so that’s a slight ping.


Wilgy and Syn both get a town lean.

Damn, this is a wolf.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

3/4 of these opinions aren't Sig certified thoughts tm.

Michelle has plenty of post to point out how in fact they are not townie in spite of plenty saying contrary.

Sig giving me a tl lmao

Why not ask why you get a town read instead of voting?

Also in a thread of 12 people it makes sense to weight in on what’s already been said and discussed so your point is moot.

assuming you are town, I shouldn't have to ask why. I don't see why town would express these opinions, without reason, and then later go 'well why didn't you ask' as if there was a reason they FOR SOME REASON just held back.

but you didn't weigh in on what's already been said, you expressed these as sig original thoughts tm.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:55 pm Brad and Sig both vouching for Syn is reason enough to pull from D1 PoE.

neither of them have played with me in like thirty years

Mmmm... I was just a fetus when you last played with Brad and Sig, those were the days.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:39 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 10:23 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:57 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:24 pm [VOTE: neon] aubergine





Someone tag Abi, and tell her she's been voted. Doesn't work on mobile for me

Nom nom nom feed me more

Thank you dearest Wilgy

Why did you rand town?

the great old ones of rng finally had mercy on me.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:43 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:55 pm Brad and Sig both vouching for Syn is reason enough to pull from D1 PoE.

Really? You have no thoughts on your own? Feels funky to use someone else's read to pull someone from your own POE.

Also I am not making any sort of POE until we have a few more posts.

why is it funky? I've expressed Syn is wolfy (thoughts on my own), 2 players have expressed the opposite.

If either are wolf, it reads of tmi which indicates Syn is town.

If either are town, it implies that reading Syn as town is genuine and I can be wrong.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:40 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:34 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:39 pm So far not much content.

Epi isn’t joking around D1 that’s a bit of a ping
Michelle is being active, but not in a towny way so that’s a slight ping.


Wilgy and Syn both get a town lean.

Damn, this is a wolf.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

3/4 of these opinions aren't Sig certified thoughts tm.

Michelle has plenty of post to point out how in fact they are not townie in spite of plenty saying contrary.

Sig giving me a tl lmao

I'm not sure what constitutes "sig certified thoughts ™ " can you clarify what makes them not sig certified ™

Are you saying you also believe Michelle is not town that large sentence confuses me.

3/4
Epi being wolf is an idea I threw out
Wilgy being town is an idea that Michelle threw out.
Syn being town is an idea that Brad threw out.

Hmmm, I can see how the size increased comes across as confusing, rewritten:
Michelle has alot of posts that Sig COULD have quoted and specified as to why they are not townie, as Sig's opinion is contrary to the players saying Michelle has been townie.

Brad and Sig both vouching for Syn is reason enough to pull from D1 PoE.