The Syndicate

G-Man wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:We need more votes first.
Ted Cruz, John Kasich, Marco Rubio, and Bernie Sanders can all relate. :P

PUMP FOR TRUUUMMMMPP #DANKMEMES!

GG all.

Wilgy was pretty proud of his play this game.
*Pets Quin while chewing on a tomato*

Sorsha wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:It's bothering me that you think I'm civ.

What exactly makes you think I'm civ?
Are you NOT a civ?

Am I?

It's bothering me that you think I'm civ.

What exactly makes you think I'm civ?

Sigh... I would've swapped back to Nero if it meant not lynching G-Man. Shoulda been paying attention.

I think that bothers me most about Nero is that for someone who has looked through the thread and re-read everything twice he doesn't poke in here very often. I'm starting to suspect he's only skimming and not really looking at the game in depth.

I guess not everyone can be as dashing as I am though.

Linki- It'll be OK Epi, you'll find someone. Take that from me! I'm a doctor, a perfect one at that.

Quiet night...

Llama, what are your thoughts on Nero oustide of your theory.

Sorsha, Daisy what do you think of Llama's comment about you two from earlier?

Epignosis wrote:Wilgy's vote for G-Man:

DrWilgy wrote:
G-Man wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
G-Man wrote:I am changing my vote because I've got bigger fish to fry. Spacedaisy has been AWOL and has contributed nothing of substance thus far. It may very well just be that I've forgotten how Spacedaisy plays. Something just seems wrong about her soft posts and general absence though.
Looking over this, I actually really don't like this post G-Man. 1st of all, you can go back and compare to Daisy's other games. 2nd, you just finished Arrested Development with her.

Reading this post and the portion that I've bolded either means you aren't willing to double check a Meta that you are willing to base a vote on, or you are prepping yourself for an easy "oops, I guess I just forgot" when/if she's lynched as a civvie. Both of which screams bad sauce.

Linki - *Wilgy gives Sorsha a big hug! Now they both smell like tomatoes*
My favorite professor's advice: past performances are not indicative of future results.

Then why even mention the part that I bolded if you aren't trying to use that "forgotten" memory as a reference?
G-Man
My vote for G-Man:

Epignosis wrote:My initial inclination is to vote G-Man. That rundown of what, three-and-half pages...what was the point of that? It reminds me of that time in Star Wars (OMG I love Star Wars. Maybe you could come check out my light saber some time!!!) where a2thezebra posted commentary of everybody early on. It was premature and gave the appearance of looking good.

I worry about being premature.
I fail to see why my vote is more important in the scheme of things than his. I said I was going to break ties. Did he think I was joking?

I wish my sex life wasn't a joke.

Epi it really isn't that, It's that you didn't have opinions on anyone else and when I tried to pull opinions out of you again and again I got nothing from you. Had you answered question 3 by saying G-Man, I would've at least been able to believe you. That would've, at the bare minimum, seemed genuine.

G-Man, I saw myself on players that you wpuld be down to lynch. Do you actually find my suspect or am I just a non-trustworthy dude?

If It's neither of those... Is it because my logic doesn't make sense?

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Answer 3 is what I'm reffering to being sass. You could've stated your opinions regarding players but you didn't. You also could have answered 3 before results were posted from the night.
If I have opinions on people, I state them. If I don't have opinions on people, I don't say anything.

Because I hate pointless communication.

And being single.

Epignosis wrote:Your vote on the other hand, was super heavy, had little provable reason behind it, and when asked about your vote I got non-genuine answers.

Little provable reason behind it. On Day 1. All right mate.

Wish I had a mate.

Yes little provable reason. Epi are we going back to Bullzeye calling it a quiet Day 1? That was most definitely not the case and there was plenty to form opinions around and judge players.

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Epi has been turning down questions that I've been asking. Simple questions too, just opinions.
Turning down questions? You've directed three at me. Let's count them.

1. Answered.

2. Answered.

3. Answered, even if you don't like my answer (because I felt like being pedantic).

I have a question I'd like to ask a girl, but she'd probably say no.

Both of your answers to the first one were bueno, you did express you were holding your vote to undo a tie and you did express previous suspicion of G-Man.

Answer 2 is irrelevant in my thoughts on you, I can't be the judge of how things just happen to work out, but I can judge the results.

Answer 3 is what I'm reffering to being sass. You could've stated your opinions regarding players but you didn't. You also could have answered 3 before results were posted from the night.

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:You do, and I thought about that. Nero is right behind you in my head when I think about lynch candidates for today. G-Man's thoughts about Nero reflect my own currently.

Nero come elaborate on or share your thoughts. Who wants to join me in Nero pressuring?

Linki - oh hai Nero
I would, but I'm going to hold my vote for the last minute in case someone needs saving.

Here's also a sassy response to a question gauged to everyone that you forgot to mention.

Epi I like the fact that you have placed your vote pre-tiebreak this time around, but there was no reason for you to withhold your vote yesterday when you had originally posted that you suspected G-Man. Withholding votes like that on the basis of "Imma break the tie" takes possible information away from the thread, and I don't see any civilian inention behind that.

Behind your vote, I liked Sorsha's second least and Bullzeye's third from least.

Sorsha's tossed responsibility, but acknowledged that it was her vote to make.

Bullzeye random voted but at least acknowledged that it was random and didn't try to bullsuit anyone.

Your vote on the other hand, was super heavy, had little provable reason behind it, and when asked about your vote I got non-genuine answers.

Linki - K

Spacedaisy wrote:To explain why I'm not voting for Epi, he almost already will break ties. It doesn't say anything about his alignment in my opinion.

And I just don't know nero.

But it also doesn't help us lynch baddies. If he's bad he can continue sitting back and swinging votes to whomever he wants if that's your mindset.

Quin wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Quin, I don't know what you mean about taking it so seriously. It wasn't that I was taking it that seriously, it was simply that everyone was talking about wilgy claiming doctor and seemed to be generally feeling good about him, so I got nervous about my own generally bad vibes from him maybe being wrong and backed off.

I'm really surprised by the people saying I haven't been contributing my own thoughts or suspicions. I feel like there is group thinking going on that I don't like. I would encourage price to evaluate my posts for themselves because I absolutely have been bringing my own thoughts into it. Sig I get you find it suspect that I get defensive, but how would you react if someone came in and painted you as bad based on something untrue. Wouldn't you get a bit defensive too?
I don't think anybody else was talking about his role claim at all. Nobody responded to it from what I saw until you read my post and changed your vote. I suppose 'serious' may not have been the right word. Cautious, maybe?

You bring up a good point about group thinking, I might have another look and see what people have had to say about you.

Can someone please ratio my opinions to others that I've gone with? Also, Quin, Sig clearly explained earlier my existence as a Doctor, which I most definitely am!

Quin wrote:If anyone has an alternative vote that's not Epi or Nero, I'd like to hear it. I can't agree with lynching either of them. It seems that the primary reason for lynching either of them is their 'fluff' posts, but they've also carried on with legitimate discussion that I think counters those suspicions.

What would you classify as legitimate discussion? questions that I've asked and gotten little to no response back? other than sass? Perhaps me asking Epi who would've he voted for before the night ended, and him responding next day with nothing but bullsuit answers.

Epi has been turning down questions that I've been asking. Simple questions too, just opinions.

Quin wrote:I pose the same question to Dr Wilgy, now.

I'm not bad and have been baddie hunting since the game began? If I didn't respond to this would've you left your vote on me?

Hmm... So Wilgy realized he has a problem roleplaying his sign... I already act like my sign! I call shenanigans!!

*Feeds Quin a Tomato*

Has Sorsha checked in recently?

Linki: -__-

You do, and I thought about that. Nero is right behind you in my head when I think about lynch candidates for today. G-Man's thoughts about Nero reflect my own currently.

Nero come elaborate on or share your thoughts. Who wants to join me in Nero pressuring?

Linki - oh hai Nero

Ahhh!!! Diiny did Undertale Mafia!! I woulda played. I actually wrote down a game concept for a Undertale Speed Game awhile back too...

@Sig, do you mean how do I feel about Llama voting epi with me? I voted first :P

@G-Man mostly my green on her is because of the hippie quick bit. I read frustration from her and didn't think a baddie would put emotion in the game so early. Also, she wasn't watching her typo's hence the wank, and she gave me a good laugh. I suppose I wrote that off in my mind as her being civ.

@Epi I'm not voting you for saving Bullzeye, I'm voting you for a mountain of fluff, lack of opinions about players and a sketchy last min vote. For someone to make a vote like that along with what you have provided for the thread, it's extremely hard for me to classify that near "possible civ behavior" at this time.

@hOI!!!!! i'm tEMMIE!!!! iS tEM!

thellama73 wrote:
G-Man wrote:
thellama73 wrote:RIP Sloonei.

But look whose rainbow list is 100% accurate so far.
My GTH reads are similarly 100% accurate so far, which is encouraging.
High five.

I was half right on my tone reads... Can I have a high 2.5?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I also need to mention a couple things to you beautiful players.

I apologize for the confusion about the day length. I had intended to make this game 24 hour Day Phases, but with Night Phases open for discussion. But there is the description that says that Heists are typically 24 hours.

Also, there has been chatter about player survivals. As is now evident, this sort of ability is in play in this game. This has been included as a mechanic in this game, and is not viewed as a power role.

Oh, and a mafia kill is not a power role.

I hope this clears questions up, and won't distract you further from your baddie-hunting ways.

We have clearly underestimated our hosts.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
sig wrote:@hosts can you confirm who killed Sloonie?
Nope. Golden has me strapped to a chair that shocks me if I try to say such things.

So that's how Marmots get thier kicks...
*Wilgy takes his kidnapped Quin to go watch the Marmot in his chair*
Sig you wanna come watch the Marmot?

Final call for the great WHO IS MY TEMMIE game!!
DrWilgy: Sig
Sig: Sloonei
Sloonei: DrWilgy

...

And no one played...

Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:For me, the random vote is not really suspicious. It's Epi's last minute vote to break the tie that has me worried.
I said I was going to break any tie that came up. It didn't matter who it was between. I don't like leaving things to luck.

I don't have good luck, especially with the ladies.

Epi, if everyone was tied at one vote who would've you broken the tie towards?

I thunked he held it until the end, but could be wrong.

Nerolunar wrote:
G-Man wrote:Fun fact: I changed my vote after Epi voted for me. I could have voted for Bullzeye and forced a tie-breaker but didn't.
This pinged me.

Are you saying that letting yourself get lynched and surviving clears you of being mafia?

Hold on, who stated that this clears him of being mafia?

G-Man wrote:Fun fact: I changed my vote after Epi voted for me. I could have voted for Bullzeye and forced a tie-breaker but didn't.

Re Epi: And you had to hold your vote till the very last minute to break a tie?

Re Sloonei: True, maybe describing a commonly seen gamestate wasn't a good comparison to an individuals vote. The better comparison would be to players like Roxy and Bea who play the RVS and leave thier votes where they land.

Bullzeye outside the realm of your vote, what are your thoughts? Why did Epi save you over G-Man? What of yours was more valuable than G-Man's?

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Epi saved Bullzeye
Did I? I'm so sorry. I won't do it again. Ever.

I just thought I was trying to lynch G-Man, like you, you know, being supportive of you and all that. Please don't break up with me. I can change.

Epi, I won't leave you. That's not what a good friend would do.

Why did you hold your vote till last min? Your vote was either very aggro... For a reason unknown, or very defensive to save Bullzeye.

*Wilgy begins to cover his kidnapped Quin in A1 sauce*

In a world where you are bad - Sorsha and Daisy I'm hesitant on based on your interactions with them.

In a world where you are good - a Epi, Bullzeye, Llama team just makes sense. Epi saved Bullzeye, Llama was hesitant to vote change, but considered it. Llama also put Epi high on his greenlist when like you pointed out, Epi has very little non fluff content.

I'm currently giving SVS and Sloonei a green tone read, but I need to double check them.

thellama73 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Bullzeye is claiming that randomized votes are not uncommon, but where I come from they sre so rare that to do it once would pretty much be a death sentence. Can anyone back him up on that?
Random voting on Day 1 is not uncommon here, but there are seveal of us who heavily frown upon it. I, personally, think it is idiocy and have never done it.

Llama! Do you prefer self voting or RVS in a non-informed situation?

Llama in regards to you being on both of my lists, you are the most easily swappable one on the situation where G-Man is bad. I could also see G-Man, Sig, Quin or Nero, following you as "most likely temmie."

So... Will you play my game?

I've seen RVS come into play here at least 3 times in my half year of existence.

*Wilgy gives the fish hat back to it's proper owner, but then picks up the owner and takes her in the fish hat's place*

G-Man wrote:
Quin wrote:interesting. a lynch-proof?
Sadly, my immunity to lynches is limited to only the first one.

DrWilgy wrote:A no lynch in a Heist?

Does this help explain how bold and cavalier my posting was today?

Depends G-Mizzle muh nizzle,
What did you learn from your bold and cavalier posting? Is there anything you would like to expand upon from your notes?

Linki - Do you think Epignosis saved Bullzeye?

Upupupupu!!
GTH reads everyone! Now before I beat you with a tomato covered Sorsha!

Under the condition that G-Man is bad
Bad: G-Man, Sig, Llama

Under the condition that G-Man is civ
Bad: Epi, Bullzeye, and Llama

Linki- Daisy I'm not answering until everyone has played... Or I get bored. Whichever comes first.

Hey Epi/Llama have you tried my great game?

A no lynch in a Heist?

G-Man wrote:I find it most curious just how fluffy Epignosis has been today.

What I still find more interesting is Llama's green read of him.

Here's to you hopefully being bad G-Man

I feel like he contradicted himself while putting a pressure vote on Daisy.

See my ISO Sig

Feel like playing my game now Daisy?

Spacedaisy wrote:I am struggling with where to put my vote, there are a lot of little suspicions running around the thread and I don't really know what I am feeling about all of it because I've only been half here mentally. So I'm just going to list my thoughts and see if it helps me sort it out in my own mind.

1. I'm surprised by Bullz random vote especially with so much suspicion being tossed around.

2. I don't understand why llama got so much heat about his rainbow list. Who cares? He basically listed a Day1 GTH list of everyone to gauge his own gut feelings on everyone. I'm ok with that, so I don't see why this is a big deal. Plus, I haven't felt any baddie vibes from llama really, so yeah...

3. Sorsha's vote also does not strike me as that odd, maybe because I'm one who would do the same sort of thing. It makes perfect sense to me to vote the same way as the person you feel like you can trust. Just not seeing the big deal here either.

4. Wilgy, I wish I could read Wilgy, but I just have not played enough with him. One thing that I find kind of confusing is the game he presented. I don't see what the purpose would be except to possibly sow disinformation. I don't get it.

Ok, I'm glad I did this because I think it clarified things for me. I'm voting Wilgy because I just can't see a civ reason to play his game.

Can you not think of a single reason as to what my game could do?

G-Man wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Putting a vote on Wilgy because he seems like the type who will respond to such things.

Also I'll probably be in a movie theater watching Deadpool when the deadline comes.
Not really, but I would rather lynch a baddie so let's discuss before you gotta jet!
What do you mean not really? This is a response. Unfortunately I've not been able to commit the attention I was hoping to give this game today. Tell me what your strategy is on this Day 1, if you don't mind.
I don't think I would generally respond to pressure votes.

You should play my game. Everyone who can should before the day ends. If the day ends, you posted and didn't play my game then... well

G-Man wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
G-Man wrote:I am changing my vote because I've got bigger fish to fry. Spacedaisy has been AWOL and has contributed nothing of substance thus far. It may very well just be that I've forgotten how Spacedaisy plays. Something just seems wrong about her soft posts and general absence though.
Looking over this, I actually really don't like this post G-Man. 1st of all, you can go back and compare to Daisy's other games. 2nd, you just finished Arrested Development with her.

Reading this post and the portion that I've bolded either means you aren't willing to double check a Meta that you are willing to base a vote on, or you are prepping yourself for an easy "oops, I guess I just forgot" when/if she's lynched as a civvie. Both of which screams bad sauce.

Linki - *Wilgy gives Sorsha a big hug! Now they both smell like tomatoes*
My favorite professor's advice: past performances are not indicative of future results.

Then why even mention the part that I bolded if you aren't trying to use that "forgotten" memory as a reference?
G-Man
I played mafia with SD for a few years before my hiatus. Having been away, I've forgotten how some of the old gang play. That's what I was getting at with my initial post, good sir. In Arrested Development she at least posted on-topic, helping me trust her. So far it's been mostly fluff and it seems a little under-the-radar. Why are you so quick to defend her if I may ask?

I guess it's a personal peeve. I don't mind voting for low posters, but for it being on the behalf of them being a low poster. Alot of times I'll see players reach for a "legitimate" reason to nuke a low poster other than them being low posters. I feel that's also easily exploitable by baddies.

Sorsha wrote:
sig wrote:
Sorsha wrote:I'm feeling like this is civ Wilgy this game, he's playful and seems like he's enjoying himself which is not how he is as mafia.

I think I'll trust him and go for a G-man vote.
I don't reaally like this vote, It seems a little bit to early to just trust someone enough to vote with them. Even if Sorsha is right about Wilgy, he might not know what he is talking about.
Who are you voting for wilgy?

I'm still feeling a G-Man vote, but you resting your vote with me is concerning, unless you 100% agree with me. I thought I saw the reason you posted is that you read me as civ.

DrWilgy wrote:Let's play a game!

I'm bad and my teammate is Sig

Sloonei wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Putting a vote on Wilgy because he seems like the type who will respond to such things.

Also I'll probably be in a movie theater watching Deadpool when the deadline comes.
Not really, but I would rather lynch a baddie so let's discuss before you gotta jet!
What do you mean not really? This is a response. Unfortunately I've not been able to commit the attention I was hoping to give this game today. Tell me what your strategy is on this Day 1, if you don't mind.

I don't think I would generally respond to pressure votes.

You should play my game. Everyone who can should before the day ends. If the day ends, you posted and didn't play my game then... well

G-Man wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
G-Man wrote:I am changing my vote because I've got bigger fish to fry. Spacedaisy has been AWOL and has contributed nothing of substance thus far. It may very well just be that I've forgotten how Spacedaisy plays. Something just seems wrong about her soft posts and general absence though.
Looking over this, I actually really don't like this post G-Man. 1st of all, you can go back and compare to Daisy's other games. 2nd, you just finished Arrested Development with her.

Reading this post and the portion that I've bolded either means you aren't willing to double check a Meta that you are willing to base a vote on, or you are prepping yourself for an easy "oops, I guess I just forgot" when/if she's lynched as a civvie. Both of which screams bad sauce.

Linki - *Wilgy gives Sorsha a big hug! Now they both smell like tomatoes*
My favorite professor's advice: past performances are not indicative of future results.

Then why even mention the part that I bolded if you aren't trying to use that "forgotten" memory as a reference?
G-Man

G-Man wrote:I am changing my vote because I've got bigger fish to fry. Spacedaisy has been AWOL and has contributed nothing of substance thus far. It may very well just be that I've forgotten how Spacedaisy plays. Something just seems wrong about her soft posts and general absence though.

Looking over this, I actually really don't like this post G-Man. 1st of all, you can go back and compare to Daisy's other games. 2nd, you just finished Arrested Development with her.

Reading this post and the portion that I've bolded either means you aren't willing to double check a Meta that you are willing to base a vote on, or you are prepping yourself for an easy "oops, I guess I just forgot" when/if she's lynched as a civvie. Both of which screams bad sauce.

Linki - *Wilgy gives Sorsha a big hug! Now they both smell like tomatoes*

sig wrote:
G-Man wrote:I am changing my vote because I've got bigger fish to fry. Spacedaisy has been AWOL and has contributed nothing of substance thus far. It may very well just be that I've forgotten how Spacedaisy plays. Something just seems wrong about her soft posts and general absence though.
Is she usually less active day 1? Also what is her civ vs mafia posting meta? Like does she post more or less?

During Arrested Development, she was cop and only had 6 posts in the first 48 hours.

Nerolunar wrote:I believe Llamas behavior is odd. IIRC there were no elaboration on the reads, just some people thrown together in a rainbow. That pinged me.

Everyone else is blah at this moment.

Nero, I'm confused about your ping on Llama. What about a rainbow without elaboration would be baddie intention? If anything he's causing discussion, something a baddie would like to stifle.

Everyone should join me in my game

Let's play a game!

I'm bad and my teammate is Sig

*Wilgy places the tomato filled fish hat on Sorsha's head*

thellama73 wrote:I think I'll do a rainbow list, since I never do one, and since it will be based completely on gut reads at this point, and because it will annoy people.

People I feel good about:
Epignosis
Sloonei
G-Man

People I feel neutral about:
Bubbles
Quin
Sorsha
Sig
Spacedaisy

People I feel bad about:
Bullzeye
SVS
DrWilgy

What of me pings you as bad Llama? also, what pings of Epi as being good?

thellama73 wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I'm voting for Quin for wanting to vote for the only option guaranteed to not catch a baddie.
How do you know it's guaranteed not to catch a baddie?
I was referring to the "no lynch" option, for which Quin expressed a preference. If we don't lynch people, it's impossible to catch bad guys.

Has this ever landed you on a baddie? didn't you do this to lovedelic last game?

Welcome Nero

Sloonei wrote:Putting a vote on Wilgy because he seems like the type who will respond to such things.

Also I'll probably be in a movie theater watching Deadpool when the deadline comes.

Not really, but I would rather lynch a baddie so let's discuss before you gotta jet!

thellama73 wrote:DrWilgy is trying to play it cool. Too cool.

I haven't been here, don't be assuming.

sig wrote:I'd like to see Quin or Epi lynched at some point they where mean to me and I never forgive or forget.

It's things like this that get you lynched Sig :P

Sorsha wrote:I agree with pressure votes on wilgy, I guessed him as Mafia fairly early in the last heist game so hopefully I can get an early read on him in this game also.

Quin wrote:-Puts my fish hat on-

*takes fish hat and places collected tomatoes in it, makes a lewd face towards Sig while doing so*

I am taking and accepting both SVS's serious point and the hilarity of that typo.

Permission to wank into threads being the most handsome doctor that I most definitely am?

*Collects splattered tomato remains*

Aww... Epi said it has to be a girl...

Here I thought I would finally be noticed by senpai.

thellama73 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I'm not content to sit around and wait for Day 1, so I'll get the festivities started with a simple question: 9 vs 3 or 10 vs 2?
Neither. I'm betting it's not as simple as either of those.
Interesting. I could see that. Do you have any particular thoughts?
Not really. I just don't like speculating on things we have no way of knowing. Like Sherlock Holmes said, if you form a theory before the facts are in, you get committed to it and start twisting the facts to fit your theory instead of the other way around. I think it's dangerous.

What do you reccomend we speculate or discuss then good Llama?

I saw that Epi. Looked pretty neato... But then they murked the most attractive player N1...

Bullzeye wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:I bet it's 11 v 1. Or 12 v 0.
Neither of these seem likely to me because our hosts reference BTSC. I guess they could be pulling a red herring on us though.
I mean 12 v 0 would mean we're all civs and there's no point in having a game :P I was kidding.

What about a 9 v 2 v 1?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:MP is a Leo, so my vote goes there.
Leos are the best.

Darn skippy we are my tbh fam!

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