The Syndicate

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:51 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:38 pm I'm now entering my "I was correct the entire time" depression.
Hey, don't! it's just a game

You are correct.

Further thinking about this game. My style will need to change for me to have greater impact as town.

Passive thought shares are not good enough. While I may be decent in my reads, a town voice needs to be also strong enough to dissolve in fighting.

I believe it is time for a new Wilgy.

I've been pondering as to how things went so poorly for town.

Like.

How did we let Bo survive? I wanted one yeet. That's all I wanted.

I'm now entering my "I was correct the entire time" depression.

(lightheartedly ofc)

Twas a fun game. Ty for your time Host.

Good game. I'm upset.

MR, BoSyn, Falcon... Rondo?

I hate Rondo's vote change tbh.

Like borderline doubting my threat check because of it.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:03 pm @DrWilgy How much do you believe Made's stump claim?

I think the crux of this day really comes down to that. I'm also a bit worried how little action is going on right now thread wise. We assume 3-4 mafia members left, even if there are only two shouldn't they be doing something.

The claim is fine. I'm more so set on thinking that MR and Made aren't teammates.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:54 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:45 pm [VOTE: sig ] aubergine
Moved off falcon why?

Yeah, why?

Still no one being interested in the Falcon Slot boggles me.

Ruri wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:50 pmAnd good night.

Good night friend. Hope you aren't scum.

Ruri wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:48 pm Nanook and Bo are voting together. TSP and Sig aren't. This is weird.

I agree. Good observation.

Poison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:45 pm The thing is I wouldn't trust a claimed cop reads who is alive in D6 after claiming at least 2 cycles ago. @DrWilgy when did you claim?

Day 3.

The problem with not trusting me based on me being alive is the lack of context. Mafia had to spend 2 cycles on townfirms Scotty/Alison and then a cycle on the doctor. Claiming so early turns me into a tempo battle rather than a threat to remove. i.e. if they can block me enough and remove other townfirms around me, it makes it so we don't have more than me + 1 or 2 others cleared at a time. That's why I think it's pivotal that we are correct today, as I don't see either ME or my confirms living long.

It's all too possible that I'm perpetually blocked while they kill off my checks in Rondo/Sig, making it so I lose 1 townfirm per cycle and negating me.

Ruri wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:35 pm Or maybe there's no 3p and scum are just all different colors.

Alright well that'd imply Epi is scum, appeared as non threat to me, and then said I'm scum for saying he's not a threat. This isn't the case. Epi was 3p.

How many scum are left? 4? Do we lose after this?

Yeah, lol, if this is a misyeet and if the poison shot is on town, if there are 4 scum remaining, the game is over. I hope it's 3, but this was a big numbers game. Not sure what to fink.

What if it's just Falcon, Bo, Nook?

Poison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:14 pm @DrWilgette what do you think about nook?

Now, regarding Nook. I have very little to go on. Havn't really read them. Their review of Epi's case and the difference check they provided BEFORE knowing Epi was 3rd party was ballsy and that gives me hesitance to call them scum. They are next on my ISO review list if I get to it in time.

Poison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:14 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:13 pm @Ruri, change your vote you goober.
It sounds like cow shit in our language lmaooooo

I hope you are feeling well btw

lol, I'll keep that in mind. Ruri, it was not my intention to call you cow shit. Much love.

Fever actually stayed away last night after I fell asleep, still congested and taking my antibiotic, but feeling like I'm on the road to recovery. (no harsh physical exertion allowed). Thanks Poison

Poison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:14 pm @DrWilgette what do you think about nook?

lol, the wife hasn't logged in in quite some time.

Yeah, I may be convincing myself of something that just loses the game for town, but I really don't think it's Made.

The MR interaction feels like it's not W/W.

If BoSyn flips RED there's no way it's Made.

@Ruri, change your vote you goober.

I feel that MR was trying to offer Made as an option rather than push them. That's not what a bussing teammate does.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:34 am
Made wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:27 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:24 am Also Made's stagnant takes on D1's wagons (i.e. still sussing Syn, kinda Sig) just feels...out of place. Like he's unable to make proper progression on D1's gamestate.

This may be confbias but it also may just be a hit.
I mean I was comfortable with how day 1 ended until y'all decided to off dya out of nowhere, and I don't like that we're looking away from that, which is why the evolution of my reads has been towards people who are pushing us away from that--IE tutuu
I mean D1 ended with 4 main wagons at some point in the final hours from what I can tell: Dya, Scotty, Syn, Sig. Two of those are now confirmed town. That doesn't shake your view at all?

I don't think it's Made based on this interaction.

Someone other than me review Ruri's interactions with MR plz. I was kinda just townreading ruri off Michelle's recommendation for the longest time.

@Made @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I volunteer you two.

MADE

D1 N1 had progressed quite normally, Seemed to read KZA as town, 112 as scum and Syn as Scum. Voted Syn. The pivot from fluff to hunting felt natural. Made's treestump hint was dropped here.

Spoiler: show

D2

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So, using the Dya vote chain as evidence to find scum is fine, but we aren't aware of Syn/Bo's alignment even now. The problem here is (as long as you take into account my cop claims and Sig's TSP claim) TSP by Sig by me is green, Ender flipped green, Rondo by me is green, Michelle, KZA, and MAC all flipped green. This is some towny soup.

Lot of banter between Made and MR. Can't tell if teammate indicative. Not good enough of a reader to tell unfortunately.

I do not think that BoSyn and Made are on the same team after reading D2. Maybe the play is to yeet someone, wait for BoSyn to resolve, then yeet Made if BoSyn Green?

Gonna take a break there and get back to it after snack. Need muh Goldfish and Juicebox.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:33 am So we're basically at this point.

TSP is a solid civ read for me
Wilgy would be next followed up by Nanook.
BoKnows is going to die tonight anyway so Ignoring him.
Made claimed stump awhile back, which most people believed and he was generally read as town by alot of the town people. This makes me hesitant to flip him at this stage in the game.

Leaving ruri, Poison, Falcon, and Rondo.

If Falcon is wolf he's playing a totally different game than his normal wolf one. So if you take him out that gives us Ruri, Poison and rondo in the pool.

Describe his normal wolf game plz.

Man, that took like an hour to do the person with the least posts. Don't got time for this shit. Wish I was better at playing in ISO, but it' just aint me.

Gonna skim Made's and give conclusions next, but can't give a wallpost.

FALCON

Falcon leads with some fluff and a comment on how a Rondo post was dirty.

First post of value below. Within the fluff magic 8 ball says 'it is certain on 112 or MR being scum.' followed by an explanation on the magic 8 ball results. I don't think I'd have seen this as anything other than fluff if it wasn't for the explanation. Did Falcon feel the need to explain away knowing MR certainly being scum?

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Falcon's progression on DK seems fair:

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A notable interaction with 112. Slightly sheeping MAC while providing own input. Interesting that if Scum, Falcon wouldn't have know 112's 3p color and likely would've expected a green.

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Falcon rule of 3'd here:

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at this point, Falcon had not interacted with MR or Ender, and rather fluffposted. The only real chain of progression we had seen from Falcon was DK.

Falcon shade towards MR but left open ended:

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Day 3, Falcon put some energy into the MR counter wagon

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:59 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:24 pm Okay I gave up reading Ender's wall.

As far as I can tell @EnderWiggin you don't like I'm hedgey. Well...too bad? Like I'm not a Mac or Tutuu who confidently and abrasively overstates reads. I hesitate on everything because I always find counterarguments to myself.

You pulled up one game of meta to compare and not only did it contain equally hedgey posts which you seem to ignore or underweigh, but that's a small sample size. I can link you games of other town games of mine if you want and you can see the same thing.

You also point out I don't show progression on reads, like Scotty I think it was. Again, yeah, no, I don't. Not D1 anyway. Like sometimes I will of course, if I find a strong town or scumread. But I don't play D1s very seriously and mostly just let things unfold in their own right and let my impressions swirl together in my head. I don't state everything in thread.

A lot of this is predicated on my activity/presence level imo, even if you don't outright state it is. I struggled to get into this game because it was so active and I just...don't have time in my life to dedicate to such a high intensity game. I work, I have a wife who needs attention and feeding, I have things to do. I play in snippets, like 30 mins in the morning, 30 mins after work before I make dinner, an hour after my wife falls asleep, etc. (The one exception was Tuesday, and you'll notice my activity spike in my iso then I bet.) I can't keep up right now in a game like this, not properly anyway. I can't read everything and everyone and make solid reads and give insightful takes. I do best when I'm in sync with the threadstate and outside of one moment D2 where I felt like I was finally vibing with a few people, I'm still finding this roster too large to get a firm grasp of everything going on.

D3, now, for instance - this is the first moment in 24 hours since the round began I've been able to devote time to it. I've missed 800 posts and now am playing catch up. And as soon as I am done this post I'm going to get ready for bed, do some other stuff I need to do (flavour on MU; for integrity reasons won't say more), and watch a show with my wife. And I'll wake up tomorrow and again be behind and then go to work etc.

This turned into a bit of a rant and I should probably edit that down but don't have time to. Basically I think your concerns about me are steeped more or less in 'he's not here/doing enough/showing his every thought' and yeah, no, I'm not. That does not make me scum.
Do you & the missus watch Downton Abbey? I just started and now that's how I hear your posts.

[VOTE: UNVOTE] aubergine

I'll give you some space for now.

Day 4 was nothing but fluff and a Rondo Vote

Day 5 we actually got momentum out of him, but most of it was picking up on the Epi case, and shading me for shading him.

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:55 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:28 am Back on [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine.

That's the correct answer today.

If I die, I lose. Sucks, but I'll put a notch in my belt if the civilians win this one. Please kill Wilgy. He called me innocent and I'm independent. That's bullshit. What host does that?
Oh snap!

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:24 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:11 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:01 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:57 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:54 pm Some explain where Falcon's civ equity comes from?
Since you've been calling me scum for quite awhile now, I find it interesting you haven't investigated me
I don't believe I've called you scum. More so a portion of the POE I think would be best to deal with. I do not have the energy to read your ISO at the moment, so inquiry with others is how I must proceed.
You've been calling for my lynch and voting for me since August dude. Why are you hedging on calling me scum? Do you usually vote for player's you think are town?
Hedging because I'm not 100% on you being scum. It's more like a 67%. References to you in the past was me hoping to gain insight and to see why in spite of PoE, there never seemed to be a strong push towards your yeet.

No one would bring up the Falcon placements in my PoE plus it feels like you are perpetually a small blip on everyone's radar. Not big enough to attract attention, but there. Why is this the case?
Wait, so you said you haven't called me scum, but you're also 67% sure I'm scum and you've been voting for me for several RDs....now you want me to tell you why I'm a small blip on other people's radar...

Again, if I'm a part of your POE, I find it very hard to believe you've not bothered to investigate me. Or cared to find out from the host how your ability works with 3Ps.

Yeah, I'm fine with your flip today

I'm ending here as there's not much else.

So something to note at this point, the only opinions that I've found of Falcon thinking someone is wolf are DK, a fickle MR vote, Me and Rondo. Falcon believed 112 to be civ.

There's nothing else. Questions that lead nowhere. Fluffy fluff galore. Plus in spite of the MR vote, they moved off it when MR was actually gaining traction.

Falcon via MR

Not much, MR had a 'scum read' on Falcon, but it was so wishy washy that I'm unable to tell genuine shade or not:

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Conclusion, Falcon yeet is fine. I feel like there'd be more to work with here if Falcon was pro town. The move off of MR doesn't sit right, and the hard opinions and opposition towards me only picking up once I start actually eyeballing the bird screams somethin, not sure what though. Can see team interactions with MR, but they aren't screaming or anything.

The questions leading no where constantly gets me. A look of questioning is nice, but where are the conclusions? I think this is why I'm often misyeeted, so I get it, but perhaps I'll be the misyeeter this time? Not sure. Seems scummy, like wanting the appearance of trying to deduce.

It is literally what my ability says to me. It is a yes or no.

Also wb Ruri. How you?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:24 am I think the Elmo is a wolf they said something wolfy

Low key been thinking this as well.

Thinking about doing some ISO work but the fever keeping me at bay.

Can I answer now?

Someone shoulda poisoned poison.

Unrelated note. I bought a toy frog skeleton for Halloween. It makes me happy.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME do you have results from last night?

Thank you nook.

I believe I have responded to this as well already. The way my role is worded, it seems pretty apparent that my ability was never designed to be the be all end all info role.

If the host wished to detail my checks further, then I'll allow the host to do so, otherwise it seemed straight forward to me.

If their wincon is contrary to town. Threat.

If their wincon isn't contrary to town. Non threat.

Epi is a grey area yes, but always could've been achieved along side town.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:21 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:17 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:54 pm In what world is sig a bad check

Its two checks for the price of one
What about the world where Epi (not town aligned according to himself) gets a green check?

Do you think Wilgy is telling the truth about his role? Cuz I don't
You keep saying the same things here. Where is the actual case for me being scum outside of "I don't like the way this info role works?"

Epi was not a threat to town. I do wish that Tutuu saved the shot for someone on the PoE.

A town aligned 3p would've been a good asset.
Epi made it quite clear that he was not town aligned, he was an independent and was a threat to town.

Incorrect, while he claimed 3p, said himself that he was a threat to scum and would aid the town in hunting for them. He was not a threat.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:16 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:09 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:48 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:31 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:07 pm So Sig is not a threat. By proxy we can see TSP as clear as well I suppose.
You investigated Sig? Is that what you'd like us to believe?
Your overtly aggressive play is silly here Falcon. If you believe this to be ruse say it.

Undermining my clear of Sig/TSP is pointless.
You investigated TSP as well?

Overtly aggressive? Oh hunny, you haven't even begun to see me upset.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine
Say what you mean then. Why question things instead of present a case unless you know that case to be false and weak?
I question things cuz that's my playstyle.

I think your claim is weak and false. I believe the case has already been made, given Epi's flip, you making a case against me & choosing to not investigate me tho you've had me in the POE for a long time.

Oh yeah, and Maf don't seem to care that you're alive....which is strange for a cop, don't ya think?

You will either resolve or the town will lose, why waste an investigation on someone in that position?

Finding out if Sig/TSP were lying was far more important.

Mafia care that I'm alive. Luckily because of who I am, I get to survive longer. I've always been an easy misyeet, there were multiple town firms along with a doctor still alive. Me being alive makes sense.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:54 pm In what world is sig a bad check

Its two checks for the price of one
What about the world where Epi (not town aligned according to himself) gets a green check?

Do you think Wilgy is telling the truth about his role? Cuz I don't

You keep saying the same things here. Where is the actual case for me being scum outside of "I don't like the way this info role works?"

Epi was not a threat to town. I do wish that Tutuu saved the shot for someone on the PoE.

A town aligned 3p would've been a good asset.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:50 pm In what world does a cop not investigate his top scum read?

Value. Limited checks with maximum results.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:48 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:31 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:07 pm So Sig is not a threat. By proxy we can see TSP as clear as well I suppose.
You investigated Sig? Is that what you'd like us to believe?
Your overtly aggressive play is silly here Falcon. If you believe this to be ruse say it.

Undermining my clear of Sig/TSP is pointless.
You investigated TSP as well?

Overtly aggressive? Oh hunny, you haven't even begun to see me upset.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Say what you mean then. Why question things instead of present a case unless you know that case to be false and weak?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:31 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:07 pm So Sig is not a threat. By proxy we can see TSP as clear as well I suppose.
You investigated Sig? Is that what you'd like us to believe?

Your overtly aggressive play is silly here Falcon. If you believe this to be ruse say it.

Undermining my clear of Sig/TSP is pointless.

Theoretically Bo goes splat today.

Wouldn't yeet:
Rondo, Sig, TSP

Yeetable:
Falcon, Made, Nook, Poison, Ruri.

What fun.

So Sig is not a threat. By proxy we can see TSP as clear as well I suppose.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:37 pm I’m so obviously town that the fact that Wilgy or Tutuu would suggest otherwise is incredibly wolfy and I’ll kill tutuu first cause she should know better (no offense Wilgy)

U rite. I'm dumb.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:59 pm Everyone be thirsty for me fam

Oh my

Do we have the presence for a TSP yeet?

I'll start

Buh bye

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