The Syndicate

Skimming through mac's posts Im gonna vote Russ just for now as the least pursued "scum" read he had. I'll see if that feeling gets stronger or weaker as the day goes on.

im agreeing with you straw

Strawhenge wrote:Get ready to feel really bad about yourself for even suggesting that Jay's scum, Epi.

Linki mokiji: If I were scum, wouldn't I have tried to save him? You and Jay threw some keen logic at me to do so, and Scumhenge would've had the perfect opportunity to save a scumbuddy without looking like it was really my decision. I stayed off it because I wasn't sold on either Mac or Diiny, and for my utter lack of confidence in myself. I'm sorry to play the real-life emotional card, but that's the troof.

yeah I think either move would've been fine as scum - you'd either save him or reap the glory of a scum lynch. No move makes you look genuine.

Strawhenge wrote:I'll admit it was emotionally reactionary, but I'm at the very least going to note that Jay and mokiji room tried their damnedest to get me on a Diiny lynch.

Well actually I just tried to pressure you to do something rather than stay off the wagon but 1. I'm sure im in deep now anyway or whatever and 2. i don't know what your reluctance to be involved in the lynch says now that he's flipped scum.

Oh mac. Top shelf. Gonna be eating that one.

What makes you so certain of metalmarsh then Strawhenge? I don't get it.

Strawhenge wrote:Why? You want me to vote for who you want me to vote for. Who's not a town read again?

Whats the point of keeping your vote on MM? I don't care where you put it, I just want you to think really hard and put it somewhere relevant to how this day is playing out. That's the benefit of being around at the end of day, you get to be relevant.

6 mins.

Strawhenge wrote:I'm not putting my vote 'nowhere.' I'm putting my vote on the person who I get the strongest scum read from.

Okay, I'll rate you two.

Diiny ★★
Mac ★★½

Diiny doesn't look good, and you look okay. Your focus on the SK certainly makes you look scummy. But not as scummy as Marsh. I don't see the problem here. Are you looking for me to save you from the lynch by voting for Diiny?

This makes me even more confused why you're keeping your vote on metalmarsh really

Strawhenge wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Is the day over?

linki; Strawhenge the day is about to end with your vote on a player with one vote. You are throwing it away. Put it where it counts.
I am not sold on you or Diiny being scum. I'm not going to vote for either for you just because it's what everyone else is doing. It's weird that you would suggest that I would do such a thing.

You think they're both town?

Strawhenge wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Take a stance: did I scumslip?
I'm trying to find the post.

In the meantime, it feels weird that you're pressuring me to take a stance. You're normally a proponent of approaching things from both sides.

Linki aokiji: Yes. I have a stronger feeling about Marsh than anyone right now.

Pursue it tomorrow. Today, I would rather see where you vote out of someone who has the potential to give a result.

Strawhenge are you leaving your vote on metalmarsh69?

Strawhenge wrote:There's been something bothering me. About Jay. Who am I, Sarah Koenig?

Okay, so, nightkills aren't revealed. There's an SK in this game. That means there's the possibility that some of the SK's kills have been scum. Possibility, mind you. It's also possible they could all have been town. However, there's a post Jay made—and fucked shit if I can find it—where he said exactly how many scum were left.

This could have simply been a slip in forgetting that the SK could have been killing scum without us knowing about it. It could also have been a scumslip.

I'm loath to believe that someone as thorough as Jay would scumslip, but I thought I'd voice the concern anyway.

Did it line up with all scum being alive or some having died?

bit under an hour to go

Choutas' vote on sig, for instance.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
motel room wrote:Diiny then
Why aren't you keen on the Mac lynch?

Like I said, I still think he's town. Also as long as there's a second valid option I'll be even more suspicious later of voters that have stayed away from the big names here.

MacDougall wrote:I think with the Russ vote there's not much point trying to save me motel room, though I appreciate the effort.

even if you magically survived you'd probably just be defending yourself for the rest of the game.

I still think this is townmac if anyone else is interested. I think scummac would be putting noisy wifom breadcrumbs out now but like here he is just sticking to his SK theory.

Diiny then

RadicalFuzz wrote:See, motel, one of two things is going to happen regarding me and J3. One of us is going to be killed, and the other is going to be proven either Light or Near. The impostor, or the successor.

I'm assuming J3 will be killed before I will be, since I've decreased my credibility this phase in any situation that doesn't end in Wilgy flipping.

heh i dont know why we're doing this but I'm down with mythologising the narrative of the game this way

You sound very certain though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
motel room wrote:alrighty, Black Rock
I'd recommend keeping your finger near the trigger in case it doesn't happen.

i'll be here til end of day

RadicalFuzz wrote:Motel, since you're familiar with the series, let's play a game. If I was L, who would Near be?

as in, who would take over investigation after you die? Uh i actually have no idea. I don't see anyone else posting as level headed as you and I'm too flaky (i barely touch the computer on weekends) to be Near. JJJ maybe, I think he's legit.

alrighty, Black Rock

I could do a black rock vote. Dunno if it'd pick up enough steam

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Epignosis wrote:
motel room wrote:
Epignosis wrote:"There's no alternate bandwagon, so Mac must be good. Let's make an alternate bandwagon"

Is this at someone? Is this suspicion?
It's what just happened.

, said Epignosis in the thread that contained the mafia game being played.", said motel room, implying that commentary is more arms-length distancing shit but whatever.

Hello Floyd. I see you have your vote on Matt F. ok

Out of Mac or Diiny who do you think should be lynched?

Epignosis wrote:"There's no alternate bandwagon, so Mac must be good. Let's make an alternate bandwagon"

Is this at someone? Is this suspicion?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If we're not lynching Black Rock, which I strongly believe we should be, then:

DIINY > Mac > Doc

Mac over wilgy even?

DrWilgy wrote:
RadicalFuzz wrote:I think Wilgy is dirtier than Mac. My preference would be to lynch the player I am most confident in being scum. In addition, Mac is a strange individual that I am unfamiliar with, while I've known Wilgy for years. Speaking for myself, I'd rather lynch Wilgy, because he's aware of the responsibility to play correctly that all civilians have. He hasn't been contributing what he should be contributing as a townie if he is one, and that leads me to believe that he's not. The Mac lynch is more complex, both the case and the player (to me), so I'd rather take the action that I believe to be more correct with the information I have available to me.
Lol explain this responsibility Fuzz. Obviously I'm incorrect somewhere.

Also, you seem to be obsessing with me, while only looking at my interactions with you. Do you have anything to say about my interactions with, bcornett, or mac?

where did bcornett come from here?

RadicalFuzz wrote:Pushing for a lynch is different than having your vote on him for a few hours at the beginning of the day, Metalmarsh. What you've done does not qualify as pushing for a lynch. I know why you don't want Wilgy lynched today, but that's selfish behavior and we can't afford to waste time.

Scum will be available to actively stop lynches against other scum and promote lynches against town. They know who their teammates are and want to avoid sending them to the gallows. As a rule of thumb, it stands that it's more difficult to lynch scum and easier to lynch town.

Motel I listed my reasons in an earlier post. He provides data but doesn't draw conclusions from it. The tone of his posts is that he's talking because he has to, not because he legitimately wants to spark useful discussion. He's banking his entire in-thread contribution into an infodumping plot that's was shot down before he could even get it started. Give me three stances Wilgy has taken in the thread in the last two phases.

His "ugh.." post after this italicized bit rubbed me the wrong way, I remember reading that. I guess yeah that was Wilgy (there are a lot of players in this game). Ok noted.

Epignosis wrote:
motel room wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
motel room wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Self pres voting wilgy
I'll get on Epi if you go back to voting there.

Not anti wilgy atm. Out of the other 2-vote "wagons" I'd go Diiny or I guess Black Rock.

No one wants to stacks-on Choutas with me? Carn.
Why?
I've been suss of you for ages. You don't seem town to me, your answers are short and sharp and feel like you're trying to keep things at arms distance. There were a lot of locals vouching for you before but now I read just as many suggesting you're off meta and yet you're not a lynch candidate.

I don't know or care if you're specifically the SK or not, you just dont seem to barrack for town.
If those are truly your thoughts, then you don't know me and/or don't read the thread carefully.

I don't know you. And I may not have read the thread carefully so I clicked that one.

Not sure why you highlighted that post - your response to meta?

RadicalFuzz wrote:For the purposes of this explanation let's assume that neutral refers to 50%, absolute town and scum are 0% and 100% respectively.

When I say that a player is hard to get lynched, that at most adds 3%. The opposite is also true, if the wagon on a player forms very quickly then that's 3% deducted at most. That is extremely minor.

Points for comment\user pic synchronicity.

MacDougall wrote:
motel room wrote:Diiny
No Wilgy.

well gee

why though? I dont see it.

Diiny

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
RadicalFuzz wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Because he is obvscum. Bullzeye is scum. Fuzz is scum. Look to the throwaway votes imo.
You got me excited that you actually thought I was scum, but then you don't list me in your next post. I feel neglected. I also feel annoyed that you asked me to put in work on post analysis and then call the result of that post analysis a throwaway vote. Would you rather me ignore the conclusions I've come to?

You are correct, however, that the inverse is true for you. With so many players pushing your lynch that's a slight indication that you're not scum.
So if players are pushing against his lynch, then he might be scum?

I don't follow this logic. Not enough players have voiced any input on MacDougall to derive anything from it.

Linki: that simple huh Mac?

Who hasn't made their opinion on mac clear? pretty sure he's been the main topic of conversation for two days.

Epignosis wrote:
motel room wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Self pres voting wilgy
I'll get on Epi if you go back to voting there.

Not anti wilgy atm. Out of the other 2-vote "wagons" I'd go Diiny or I guess Black Rock.

No one wants to stacks-on Choutas with me? Carn.
Why?

I've been suss of you for ages. You don't seem town to me, your answers are short and sharp and feel like you're trying to keep things at arms distance. There were a lot of locals vouching for you before but now I read just as many suggesting you're off meta and yet you're not a lynch candidate.

I don't know or care if you're specifically the SK or not, you just dont seem to barrack for town.

Strawhenge wrote:I voted Marsh because I still don't trust him, and I'm stupid.

mate what

MacDougall wrote:Self pres voting wilgy

I'll get on Epi if you go back to voting there.

Not anti wilgy atm. Out of the other 2-vote "wagons" I'd go Diiny or I guess Black Rock.

No one wants to stacks-on Choutas with me? Carn.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's of interest to me because I think he might be right. But I don't think a townie is likely to come to this conclusion organically.

It's weirdly specific

Choutas?

just so its clear, I know bussing happens often. I mean planned bussing. Two or more joes sit down and decide its in their team's best interest in two days time to bus one of them and here's how it's gonna go down. I haven't seen it much is all.

How far back was that? He's mentioned zebra and golden..

TheFloyd73 wrote:
motel room wrote:
TheFloyd73 wrote:My first lack of inclusion was genuinely from stuff going on in my life that was messing with my head. And I will say AGAIN that if you wish to discuss this further, please PM me.
Has anyone PMed you?
No, not about that topic anyway. would you like to be the first?

Oh ok, like just from teammates?

I hope your head's ok now man.

Epignosis wrote:
motel room wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
motel room wrote:These elaborate scum bussing strategies that are being put forward, are they common here on the Syndicate? Because while they can happen over on RYM the most common scum strategy is just lay low pretty much. Bussing is rarely organised and generally just a self-preservation technique.

So reading all of this about how Long Con set up this big ol bus seems so far fetched to me. Remembering back to the day he was lynched, he was a contender but not the contender. I'm fairly sure that my return vote on him put him back in the lead and I know I did that from a genuine suspicion of him so I can't really get behind any of these "strategy" scenarios. He may have wanted out and told teammates not to fight it too hard but I really doubt it was a planned bus. My two cents, for the guy who is pretty sure Mac is scum cos of that idea. I still think mac is town.

Black Rock is the next major lynch contender, what's the deal there?
Bussing strategies here are as common as unnecessarily used adverbs. And they have some things in common.
Is this a stab at how i dun talk?
No.

Oh good cos one word responses are for people who are scared a sentence or para will give away more than they want to.

Epignosis wrote:
motel room wrote:These elaborate scum bussing strategies that are being put forward, are they common here on the Syndicate? Because while they can happen over on RYM the most common scum strategy is just lay low pretty much. Bussing is rarely organised and generally just a self-preservation technique.

So reading all of this about how Long Con set up this big ol bus seems so far fetched to me. Remembering back to the day he was lynched, he was a contender but not the contender. I'm fairly sure that my return vote on him put him back in the lead and I know I did that from a genuine suspicion of him so I can't really get behind any of these "strategy" scenarios. He may have wanted out and told teammates not to fight it too hard but I really doubt it was a planned bus. My two cents, for the guy who is pretty sure Mac is scum cos of that idea. I still think mac is town.

Black Rock is the next major lynch contender, what's the deal there?
Bussing strategies here are as common as unnecessarily used adverbs. And they have some things in common.

Is this a stab at how i dun talk?

TheFloyd73 wrote:My first lack of inclusion was genuinely from stuff going on in my life that was messing with my head. And I will say AGAIN that if you wish to discuss this further, please PM me.

Has anyone PMed you?

Ricochet wrote:If there's a scum on the LC lynch wagon, then it means that player bussed LC. That's the "plan" itself.

If so, do you reckon such a player was more the type to openly challenge LC (aka distance from him) or the type to have said nothing and simply bandwagon?

I would rank the likelihood as
staying away from the wagon > jumping on the wagon saying nothing much > openly challenge him day 2.

I see more questions. I like questions, this'll help get me back in after the weekend lull. Going into work meetings for a bit though.

Ricochet wrote:As for the D2 vote count, motel, unless I got this wrong in my spreadsheet, your first vote on LC was the first on him. You took it off when he had a healthy lead (yet you call him not "the contender"?), switched to Choutas for... also having voted LC? Afterwards, you indeed put your vote back on LC and b24 & Llama wagons were overtaking him.

So I'll make note of your final LC being likely genuine, but there's still that switch.

Your approach to LC's lynch at stage was also similar to Mac's verbal one - #metaisbullshit.

If LC was bad and there was a wave of locals giving him the BOTD, do you think he would not instruct any of his teammates to challenge that viewpoint and look good in the picture, for when he would go down?

Yep, I voted LC because I thought that bea shit was suss, but got swayed by all the locals confirming him, put it on Choutas as someone else to rile up, then got back on Long Con cos he was my favourite of the contenders.

I don't know if he would instruct anything. It goes back to me saying is this common here? Plans and contingency plans? Over in RYM half of the scum guys probably wouldn't even be online so how would you orchestrate anything last minute like that?

Ricochet wrote:
motel room wrote:
Choutas wrote:Motelroom if you think Mac is town(you just said it), would you save him from a lynch? He's the leading vote getter. Or you're going to idly park your vote in a lynch that won't happen?
I would probably vote to save him, yes. We still have 24 hours at least though.
Won't look too good after he flips, just saying. I imagine his teammates will try to save him, since they've got the numbers, which is the civs need be on this.

I dont understand. It wont look good for me? I'm just saying what I'd do based on how I read mac.

Isn't it still to early and too obvious for all the scum to vote together to save someone, assuming that's what you mean here?

Ricochet wrote:
motel room wrote:These elaborate scum bussing strategies that are being put forward, are they common here on the Syndicate? Because while they can happen over on RYM the most common scum strategy is just lay low pretty much. Bussing is rarely organised and generally just a self-preservation technique.

So reading all of this about how Long Con set up this big ol bus seems so far fetched to me. Remembering back to the day he was lynched, he was a contender but not the contender. I'm fairly sure that my return vote on him put him back in the lead and I know I did that from a genuine suspicion of him so I can't really get behind any of these "strategy" scenarios. He may have wanted out and told teammates not to fight it too hard but I really doubt it was a planned bus. My two cents, for the guy who is pretty sure Mac is scum cos of that idea. I still think mac is town.

Black Rock is the next major lynch contender, what's the deal there?
Ok so if LC may have wanted out, but told teammates not to fight it, where are they?

Same question as to Mac: considering that, except for Epig, the b24 had civs and LC on it, if you're saying the mafia wouldn't have planned an LC bus, then where do you see them having gone, in your opinion? We're talking six players here.

I dont know where they are. I dont even know if that happened. I'm just giving my perspective on the whole ordeal. I would guess it was like any other lynch goes - some scum here, some scum there. I'm sure there would have been a scum on the LC lynch wagon, I just dont think it was planned, it seems like a stretch.

Choutas wrote:
motel room wrote:oh and voting Choutas
OK that kind of votes mean nothing. Make that coffee and explain. Not the coffee your vote.

It's a long black, no sugar. Comes with a free apple the cafe I buy from. Royal Gala, the best apples.

Choutas wrote:Motelroom if you think Mac is town(you just said it), would you save him from a lynch? He's the leading vote getter. Or you're going to idly park your vote in a lynch that won't happen?

I would probably vote to save him, yes. We still have 24 hours at least though.

These elaborate scum bussing strategies that are being put forward, are they common here on the Syndicate? Because while they can happen over on RYM the most common scum strategy is just lay low pretty much. Bussing is rarely organised and generally just a self-preservation technique.

So reading all of this about how Long Con set up this big ol bus seems so far fetched to me. Remembering back to the day he was lynched, he was a contender but not the contender. I'm fairly sure that my return vote on him put him back in the lead and I know I did that from a genuine suspicion of him so I can't really get behind any of these "strategy" scenarios. He may have wanted out and told teammates not to fight it too hard but I really doubt it was a planned bus. My two cents, for the guy who is pretty sure Mac is scum cos of that idea. I still think mac is town.

Black Rock is the next major lynch contender, what's the deal there?

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