The Syndicate

It's 3-3-3 on Bullzeye, Choutas and I (assuming Russ follows through on that vote he reckons he cast), I wonder what happens in the next couple hours.

Ok I read Rico's case of me. It doesn't sound super compelling (to me) and he has a sentence considering me doing what I did from a town angle in pretty much every para. But yeah I think he's genuine. It's hard to defend against my votes when they end up wrong but I've tried to explain why I made them as much as possible, rico.

um one thing -

Ricochet wrote:I was searching for my Floyd interaction read on him, but forgot I never managed to posted it in time. Luckily, I had it saved on an rtf file.

Why an rtf?

Russtifinko wrote:Everyone left?

Well I'm voting motel room.

lol this is hardly Rallying the Troops.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

motel room wrote:I see I'm a contender today ok I can understand that, my contributions have been dropping. If I have to vote to save myself I won't vote these players - JJJ, choutas, strawhenge - so line your bandwagons up accordingly scum.

Great neat, but who would you vote for? How about a rainbow or something?

I would be cool voting for Russtifinko (he feels like he's saying exactly what he needs to say, nothing more nothing less. I don't buy his case on me over one thing I said and stick by, and very interested to see how hard he pushes for my lynch) or Bullzeye (classic low effort scum). DrWilgy has been sticking his nose in when he needs to all game too, to no real suspicion which is easy to see him later going oh yeah I was scum heh. And I noticed Ricochet has me as red, I'll read his thing and see what that's about I'm just wary of me being an easy push for lynch today. Metalmarsh has voted me too, but I dont think he's scum probs.

because its been so busy for me at work, people keep fucking hovering near my desk which makes it hard to keep this open and you know how suss it always looks to keep minimizing windows when people come by lol

I see I'm a contender today ok I can understand that, my contributions have been dropping. If I have to vote to save myself I won't vote these players - JJJ, choutas, strawhenge - so line your bandwagons up accordingly scum.

i've gone Bullzeye for now.

Diiny wrote:Uh oh.

I think there's a gif for this. Straw, which gif am I thinking of?

?

What's the thought process behind the bcornett nightkill? It feels like the killers had reversed purposes.

its really hard to catch up and contribute atm. This has been a busy week at work. I am still alive though

Oh yeah, and oh yeah Bullzeye was sanmateo.

Five syndicats remain, five rimmers remain.

I got pulled into a conference call during the lynch yesterday and then had a bunch of shit back to back. You know, in case anyone missed me.

motel room wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Eloh, Motel, comment on my thoughts please.

About the "who do ppl think we're targeted" "bait" by choutas?

Some of you guys really pounce on things at face value hey.

I'll reply when I get into the office, on my phone and it sucks

So the Choutas thing doesn't really bother me at all. Don't know why you find it scummy. Asking who people thinks was targeted may be more indicative of a replier's town read mindset or a scum trying to mislead or if the scum say the right name that was targeted maybe the SK would get an inkling that person was scum. Why would a scum be interested in asking that question?

Is this even what you're asking about? It was the most recent you\Choutas interaction I saw.

But on the other hand, Choutas, I get why you think not replying would be more likely scum because they don't want to give anything away but the one time I tried something like that (I tried to get people to call out who they thought was the doctor after a nightkill failed) the first person to answer, and confidently, was scum.

DrWilgy wrote:Eloh, Motel, comment on my thoughts please.

About the "who do ppl think we're targeted" "bait" by choutas?

Some of you guys really pounce on things at face value hey.

I'll reply when I get into the office, on my phone and it sucks

RadicalFuzz wrote: MM I'm trying to express annoyance.

Ew phrasing. How do you actually feel?

Matt F wrote:Nah, Epignosis has been weird with his answers towards me the last few days, demanding that my grammar and sentence structure be perfect or whatever when addressing him.

But anyway, time to walk the dog.

Be back later...or not.

Would you be more or less suspicious of him if he'd simply replied to the question you thought you were asking instead of being pedantic?

Matt F wrote:I absolutely care who gets lynched. As 3J can attest, I'm not liking this "Let's lynch Fuzz when he's gone" thing, however, I can see 3J's point to get baddies whenever you can.

As for the last few lynch phases, I'll kindly remind you on Day 7, I had my vote on scum Floyd, while you helped lynch civvie seaside.

If one of my fixations were to flip town, it would depend on which to see how I'd "wear it". If Epignosis were to get lynched and flip civvie, I prolly wouldn't feel bad considering he's been really weird with his answers to my questions.

If 3J were to flip civvie, I think I would feel bad, as he is the top poster in the game and whatever his alignment, has obviously put in a lot of work in this game.

Ok.

Well except the part about Epi's answers to your questions. Reading through that part, you seemed like the anal one mate.

Matt F wrote:Linki - Move on to the next scum-fixation, of course!

Right but do you intend to wear it or not care?

I'm not certain how genuine you are about caring who gets lynched atm. Your choices havent really been the lynch outcomes for the last couple lynches and I think it might be revealing to see how you react when you get it wrong.

linki - @Matt, This is kind of what I mean, Elo is now in your top tier based on a dodgy theory. I don't have a strong read on her but wouldn't lynch her. JJJ and Epi I feel are town, Ricochet has had a lot of positive looking posts to the point where earlier in the game I think I had him and Fuzz as towniest but out of the tier he would be my pick for having fooled us. And then yeah, Strawhenge still hasn't said much since his declaration that metalmarsh was involved in the nightkill attempt which dovetailed nicely with Epi's psych-out calling metalmarsh SK so I'm not down with that. Also before that was Straw's "shock" of what happened with the seaside lynch but then (as far as I can see) hasn't weighed in on the results or who did what.

Matt, what's your plan for when one of your scum-fixations flip town? Serious question.

DrWilgy wrote:Just look at my in topic posts. I don't have that many.

Who's this aimed it? Where I come from having fewer on-topic posts is hiding.

Epignosis
Choutas

Diiny
Elohcin
JaggedJimmyJay
Ricochet
Matt F
Metalmarsh89
RadicalFuzz
bcornett24

Strawhenge
DrWilgy
Bullzeye

Russtifinko
sig

And I need to figure out why I was thinking of sig as town back after Day 1\2, and read up on the cases against RadicalFuzz cos thats new to me.

motel room wrote:Sig, how would you feel about switching to Long Con with me?

When I asked you this, sig, you never responded. Why not?

I'm voting sig.

Matt F wrote:

motel room wrote:

Matt F wrote:I'm very happy with a 3J vs Motel Room duel

Sit back and watch two town (yes I think jjj is still probably town) duke it out appeals to you?

Actually you have a bunch of questions I remember reading and thinking there is no way Matt expects an answer for this. Is all of this effort investment just to stir in every single direction you can think of and sit back and watch the fireworks?

I've actually done this as Mafia quite a few times.

But no. I'm a lonely civvie who just wants to catch the bad guys.

Well then you're on the wrong track here and, I'd be willing to wager, your pedantic recruiter hunt questions

Matt F wrote:I'm very happy with a 3J vs Motel Room duel

Sit back and watch two town (yes I think jjj is still probably town) duke it out appeals to you?

Actually you have a bunch of questions I remember reading and thinking there is no way Matt expects an answer for this. Is all of this effort investment just to stir in every single direction you can think of and sit back and watch the fireworks?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

motel room wrote:Why am I so far down your list there?

Beyond the evidence that I think you're aware of and admittedly in some cases you share with me, I think it's what appears to be a recent dive in your enthusiasm. You're making the posts you have to make, but you aren't really moving this thread very much that I can recall. It's like you're going through the motions. That lengthy response to sig is another example -- you're not defending yourself as much as critiquing his analysis.

I don't feel like there's anything to defend against. Out of my vocal opposers sigs case is the laziest, Russ' is the most opportunistic and Matt's is thumb-suckingly narrow minded but I think he's being genuine although he seems to be ignoring my responses.

That enthusiasm thing isn't right though. I'm still in this despite vanishing for weekends. Coming back to a mountain of pages makes it hard to narrow down what to do next. Defend myself is first. Comment on current shit is second I think cos at least then I have a frame of reference for other things and I feel like you get a better sense of instinct when posts are playing out in front of you. After that its a matter of time which is something I don't have a lot to prioritise to mafia anymore. I still enjoy it (and you know I enjoy it most as vanilla town puzzle solver so I think that's where your enthusiasm check is coming from which is fair) but yeah constantly playing catch up at work puts me on the back foot fairly often these days.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

motel room wrote:Morning all, I have some upcatch to perform.

Gonna need more than a joke.

Yeah.

Why am I so far down your list there?

Hello sig. Since biting back at me trying to make you slip up Day 1 I've been missing from your posts and reads until:

sig wrote:Motel Room
Votes
Day 1 sig (Civ)
Day 2 Long Con (Mafia)
Day 3 Epignosis (Unknown Leaning civ)
Day 4 Sorsha (Civ)
Day 5 espers (Civ)
Day 6 Diiny (Civ)
Day 7 seaside (civ)
Day 8 Russtifinko (Civ)

Dusk Poll voted for Mac and Dr Wilgy just coz.

motel room wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Question for the group:
Was Bea's reaction to one early, changeable vote an overreaction or an appropriate reaction?
Discuss.

Current track: Brian Eno - Sparrowfall (3) (1:24)

Long Con's reasoning was worded pretty confidently for this early in the game. Seems like a legit response. Out of the two i had more of a gut feel against long con, his confidence and his defence of.

He thinks Bea's response to LC was okay.

Commentary. How do you feel about me saying this?

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

sig wrote:I agree with Epi's random voting point, in fact this could be just as dangerous to the civilians as a no lynch for day 1.

so like if I pop a vote on sig here for piggybacking epi's point that to me seems misguided, am i all in or just having some RVS fun?

Votes since he think I'm piggybacking off of Epi only reason he gives will end the day with this vote.

Commentary. How do you feel about my Day 1 vote on you?

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

sig wrote:I think your trying to get me to respond in an attempt to make me slip up and get me lynched, and it really isn't my place to tell you who has been suspicious of me that would be like building the case for my own lynch a rather silly thing to do.

well we wouldn't want you to slip up now

I don't like this post, it pings me.

I find it funny.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:Sig, how would you feel about switching to Long Con with me?

I don't understand this post. He suspicious of me, yet would have switched to LC. He himself though never switches to LC and keeps his vote on me.

Well I switched the very next day immediately and after the LC lynch felt you were townier (although I can't remember why now - something to do with the Day 1 votes, might double check).

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about this MacDougal character.

Seems genuine to me so far. What about him makes you feel otherwise?

Defends Mac still early in the game so it could be nothing, but worth noting.

Commentary. Do you think that its something that I defended mac?

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

HamburgerBoy wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

sig wrote:I think your trying to get me to respond in an attempt to make me slip up and get me lynched, and it really isn't my place to tell you who has been suspicious of me that would be like building the case for my own lynch a rather silly thing to do.

What raises my brows about this one is that you say “make me slip up” as opposed to “make me say something that could be considered a slip up.” I don’t think civvies slip up.

Does that kind of caveat even need to be said? The latter would be the obvious read into it; actually, legitimate scumslips are very rare on RYM, and I'd imagine they are here as well. After all, the matter of who accused sig is an open record for anyone wanting to find it; it was mostly Zebra. Maybe he was afraid to admit that it wasn't really multiple people prior to motel/aokiji's pressuring? Otherwise, the only way I see even the potential for a slip would be if sig is trying to distance from Zebra, in the event that Zebra bussed him. I think that's very unlikely and pretty suicidal though; if sig was lynched and flipped scum, no one is going to go "A-ha, Zebra did bus him!" just because he made a good read on a very early game vote.

My issue with it is the mentality of not wanting to "slip up", wording aside. Town just does shit, scum are worried how they'll look. Mostly. Anyway sig's been more verbose and I guess willing to slip up in his defences so thats a thing.

Okay wait he is still giving a reason for lynching me, yet just awhile ago asked if I would be willing to switch to LC. I believe he asked this to appear more civvie if I flipped civ or if LC ended up getting lynched making him appear civvie also.

"if" you flipped civ? Also I'm not sure what the deal is about Hamburgerguy being scum maybe, but that defence of his for you there looks suspicious mate.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

Long Con wrote:

FZ. wrote:LC's vote for Bea did strike me as fake...

I have to get ready and leave for work soon, so it's time to cast a real vote. The bea vote was actually fake. I thought, since votes are changeable, I'd make a fake case and see if I could catch any opportunistic baddies trying to latch on to it and follow the vote. It didn't really bear fruit; looking over BWT's reasons for voting bea, he is coming from a completely different angle. The truth is, bea's behaviour is pretty normal for her, and I don't suspect her much at all.

My real vote today will go to sig. Despite the reasonable explanation he had for my original suspicion of him (that he was crafting his posts too much, in a baddie way), I've found a few of his reactions suspicious. His reaction that I was "distancing" from him when I forgot he was the third player involved in an earlier discussion was bizarre, as was his assertion that I (and others) are "desperate to try and get him lynched".

sig, saying we're desperate to try and get you lynched strikes me in two ways, neither of them making me feel comfortable about you. On one hand, it's overdefensive and paranoid, and on the other, it's a way to buffalo us out of voting for you... because who wants to looks "desperate" to lynch someone on Day 1?

It's not much, but it's the behaviour I found most suspicious today, and it's time for me to lock in a vote.

Sorry for using you, bea!

Feels pressured and gross. Long Con's wording on his vote for bea was so confident. This feels like backpedalling.

Mentions LC more doesn't like him or his vote on me. Yet once again he doesn't switch from his current vote or pursues an LC vote yet.

It's Day 1. Like I've got anything else to go on.

sig wrote:On day 2 voted for LC switched to Choutas switches back to LC.

Commentary. Is this switch of votes suspicious to you? Or does my voting Long Con nullify your above points?

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

Diiny wrote:Not the time, I know, but it's annoying me. What's the floyd's deal? He's posting regularly on OT as far as I can tell so he's not exactly short on time. Even if he was it's in nobody's best interest to post one off topic thing. Probably some stupid gambit.

I get the feeling he's in a bit over his head, our Floyd.

Not much, some defense of Floyd but something that I'm probably just nitpicking at he says out floyd. Just a manner of speaking, our as in from RYM, or tiny scum slip up our as in on our team? Doubt it but figured I would mention it.

"Our" from RYM.

sig wrote:Day 3 starts vote on EPi for his defense of LC ends day with this vote.

motel room wrote:still reading through but i'm putting a vote on Sorsha so that I can see where the votes currently are cos otherwise it's just radio buttons.

Day 4 votes Sorsha but, I don't quite understand why he did this.

Like I said elsewhere, this read was mostly borrowed after catching up from the weekend.

sig wrote:Calls out Mac for switching from Sorsha.

Like I said elsewhere, this was the most suspicious I got of mac cos that shit made no sense. Later he seemed to have his focus back and I felt good about him again, wrongly.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:Matt F's theory is sketchy and I don't why he's so confident about it.

Mac's theory on epi seems more likely and more based in evidence but still just a theory. I'm not comfortable with epi - the Syndicaters are defending his style still but when he was under some attention earlier he came out and did just enough leg work to let it blow over and has returned to sitting pretty. Dunno about the SK but I have no probs voting epi.

Mac himself has mostly seemed towny to me, up until he jumped off his Sorsha wagon and started pursuing Matt F over what started as a mild ping or whatever he called it. After that it seemed like mac was in chaos mode and was less about "who is scum" and more about "what can I get away with". But I say "was" because I like how he responded to Matt F's accusation - I read some others are using this as evidence against but I see it as positive evidence.

One thing I may have missed in catch up - mac, why though are you less concerned with Matt? He's not even in your top 6 thingy atm.

Once again voices suspicions of Epi, still think Mac is towny, but has some misgiving. I can't tell if this is genuine or an attempt to distance himself from a fellow scum.

What do you think it is?

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Who should we make dead, aokiji?

espers or epi.
To a slightly lesser extent, Diiny or Devin.

esper who he later voted for, and Epi who he has multiply times expressed suspicion off.

Commentary. Does this mean I was steady in my genuine suspicions or are you reading something else into it?

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:These elaborate scum bussing strategies that are being put forward, are they common here on the Syndicate? Because while they can happen over on RYM the most common scum strategy is just lay low pretty much. Bussing is rarely organised and generally just a self-preservation technique.

So reading all of this about how Long Con set up this big ol bus seems so far fetched to me. Remembering back to the day he was lynched, he was a contender but not the contender. I'm fairly sure that my return vote on him put him back in the lead and I know I did that from a genuine suspicion of him so I can't really get behind any of these "strategy" scenarios. He may have wanted out and told teammates not to fight it too hard but I really doubt it was a planned bus. My two cents, for the guy who is pretty sure Mac is scum cos of that idea. I still think mac is town.


Black Rock is the next major lynch contender, what's the deal there?

He thinks Mac is town and does some soft defense of him. He also mentions the BK lynch asking what is up with it.

These post really ping me

Why does it ping you? I did think mac was town and I was asking what was happening with the Black Rock reads that were starting to happen. I don't think it pings you.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

Choutas wrote:Motelroom if you think Mac is town(you just said it), would you save him from a lynch? He's the leading vote getter. Or you're going to idly park your vote in a lynch that won't happen?

I would probably vote to save him, yes. We still have 24 hours at least though.

motel room wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Self pres voting wilgy

I'll get on Epi if you go back to voting there.

Not anti wilgy atm. Out of the other 2-vote "wagons" I'd go Diiny or I guess Black Rock.

No one wants to stacks-on Choutas with me? Carn.

Day 6 votes Diiny over Mac however he then switches to BK

motel room wrote:I could do a black rock vote. Dunno if it'd pick up enough steam

motel room wrote:alrighty, Black Rock

But in about an hour he switches to Diiny again.
So he switches from Diiny to BK a scum to Diiny again.

What does that mean to you? How do you read that switch of votes?

sig wrote:He gives some defense of Floy but not much.

I've now defended two scums apparently. I'm having a baller game.

sig wrote:Defends himself against accusations about Mac, saying he thought he was town.

motel room wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:DIINY

DRWILGY

ELOHCIN

EPIGNOSIS

good

good

good

good

Why do you know think Epi and Diiny are clean what changed your mind about them?

Epi because of the way he was so firm against mac, and was correct. My suspicion of Diiny was mostly because his activity level dropped off, but when he came back his content seemed genuine.

sig wrote:Final Thoughts. I really don't like Motel's day 1 he voices some doubt about LC but votes with LC until day 2 when he lynches LC. I believe with Day 1 he was trying to keep his options open between Me and LC so he could switch to LC if he needed to.

Why would I have "needed to"? What does that mean?

sig wrote:His solid defense of Mac seems scummy to me, but he is so aggressive in his defense that it makes me pause. However, he also lynches Diiny and that was a close lynch. I think his defense of Mac makes him look slightly scummy.
Motel Room comes off as looking scummy to me, he pushes epi and diiny but in gun to head thinks they are clean, it seems with Mac's flip he dropped the Diiny lynch. I view this as a scum trying to distance himself from a teammate who flipped mafia. This along with Day 1 and his defense of Mac furthers my view that Motel room is mafia. Though I would like other peoples opinions on Motel Room before I place my vote.

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If you're interested in my opinion, I don't think you actually feel one way or another about me. You are giving yourself too much wiggle room here saying I'm scummy (seriously, check that last para saying I'm scummy three times in four sentences) but then I might not be. You say that by changing my mind on Diiny you see that as me trying to distance myself from.. mac? Who is my "teammate" in this scenario?

This is weak sig. I'm not buying it.

looks like I fucked up the quoting and its too hard to get right. Putting the responses in yellow.

linki - about a million posts

Matt F wrote:This is going to be a strange request...

Can everyone tell Elohcin a joke this day phase? Thanks!

A guy walks into a bar.. well he's more of a dog but its a male dog, definitely a male dog cos its important to the joke here.. so a dog walks into a bar.. its just kind of any bar I guess and the bartender says "nice hat" to the dog cos oh yeah the dog's wearing a hat see.. like one of those propeller cap hats haha well actually it doesnt matter what kind of hat anyway so the bartender says "nice hat" and the dog mishears it as "nice cat" and no wait thats the punchline no so the dog replies..

Morning all, I have some upcatch to perform.

well I'm off to have a weekend. Russtifinko is my vote for now. If I get a chance to be back on I'll do some reassessing (wanna see what takes with this metalmarsh thing) and probably some good old defending by the looks.

Russtifinko wrote:motel room. I have two days to think it over, but for now he's far and away my biggest suspect.

I know, you announced it when you tried to start a bandwagon on me at the end of yesterday when you drifted in out of the blue. You tried to Start a bandwagon with no prior knowledge or suspicion of me or where the thread was at.

Let's put your suspicion of me into words - motel room said he thinks jjj is town but doesn't oppose his lynch. Is there more? Who's your next "biggest suspect", MovingPictures?

Russtifinko wrote:

motel room wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

motel room wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:To be more precise: esplain the part where you think JJJ will flip town, but you're happy to remove the doubt by lynching him. I recall Mac saying something very similar, I think about Sorsha. (Would quote, but have you seen that dude's post history?)

Nah you should quote it cos I don't like you dropping into the thread after no content and trying to drum up shit without context.

I'm not sure how I can further explain it. I think JJJ may be town and made the same mistaken judgement on mac as I did. I'm not confident enough to fight his lynch and can see benefit from him as a lynch contender being removed from further chatter. He has even said the same thing himself. Why is me thinking this so suspicious to you, specifically?

MacDougall wrote:I think we really have to lynch sorsha. I feel like it's the key to breaking the game open today. She either flips scum and leaves behind a tasty breadcrumb trail, or flips town and leaves behind a tasty breadcrumb trail. Trusting Golden again seems like a nice way to get another townie killed. We've got a scum dead inside the first four days in a large game. We can afford a tactical lynch. Sorsha is a good lynch candidate for up front scum play as well as being the best possible lynch from a tactical perspective. Short of someone saying "I am scum" my vote won't be changing today.

Fine. Found it. Not sure why you felt the need to have me do that. (It's near the top of page 9 of his post history, btw.)

This response is terrible imo. You're really debating the point that Mac expressed a willingness to vote Sorsha even if she was civ? It's right there in the thread! And then you say I'm "trying to drum up shit" when, again, Mac's point was well documented as a major point of suspicion that Day.

Finally, you double down on your "JJJ is civ, but we should still lynch him anyway" idea. It's this simple: lynching civs is NOT worth it. We're losing! Someone (Rico?) said we have 4 days to get at least one baddie, or game over. Wasting one of those days lynching someone you think is good should be repulsive to you. At least Mac made up some bullshit about wanting info! You don't even say we'd get anything out of JJJ being lynched. You want someone you say is civvie to die so that we can stop discussing him as a potential lynch candidate??? The POINT of the game is to discuss people as potential lynch candidates!

I am overreacting, or is this the least civ mindset all game? I'm down to vote motel room again, with Matt this time. I'm more sure about him than JJJ.

Great. Yes I knew what you were referring to, what I objected to was you coming in out of nowhere and pretending to be certain about something. Going and actually doing it now seems like busywork but ok do you see the difference between what I'm suggesting and what Mac was suggesting? Mac thinks lynching Sorsha will leave behind all these clues he's super eager to get into, I'm suggesting lynching JJJ crosses him off the list the end. No more bickering about whether he's scum or town or what because look it's happening again today "JJJ should still be on the table for a lynch", "what do we think about JJJ?" over and over.

I'm not debating anything about Mac's Sorsha thing, not sure why you think that.

"Pretending to be certain" about verifiable facts? I wasn't pretending, I was certain. I do see the difference, and Mac's reason is actually BETTER than your reason. Which is major point against you.

how come there's no jack-off-hand-gesture smilie

Strawhenge wrote:He's either Life During Wartime or Psycho Killer. Vote him immediately.

Which of these would you lean towards him being?

Russtifinko wrote:

motel room wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:To be more precise: esplain the part where you think JJJ will flip town, but you're happy to remove the doubt by lynching him. I recall Mac saying something very similar, I think about Sorsha. (Would quote, but have you seen that dude's post history?)

Nah you should quote it cos I don't like you dropping into the thread after no content and trying to drum up shit without context.

I'm not sure how I can further explain it. I think JJJ may be town and made the same mistaken judgement on mac as I did. I'm not confident enough to fight his lynch and can see benefit from him as a lynch contender being removed from further chatter. He has even said the same thing himself. Why is me thinking this so suspicious to you, specifically?

MacDougall wrote:I think we really have to lynch sorsha. I feel like it's the key to breaking the game open today. She either flips scum and leaves behind a tasty breadcrumb trail, or flips town and leaves behind a tasty breadcrumb trail. Trusting Golden again seems like a nice way to get another townie killed. We've got a scum dead inside the first four days in a large game. We can afford a tactical lynch. Sorsha is a good lynch candidate for up front scum play as well as being the best possible lynch from a tactical perspective. Short of someone saying "I am scum" my vote won't be changing today.

Fine. Found it. Not sure why you felt the need to have me do that. (It's near the top of page 9 of his post history, btw.)

This response is terrible imo. You're really debating the point that Mac expressed a willingness to vote Sorsha even if she was civ? It's right there in the thread! And then you say I'm "trying to drum up shit" when, again, Mac's point was well documented as a major point of suspicion that Day.

Finally, you double down on your "JJJ is civ, but we should still lynch him anyway" idea. It's this simple: lynching civs is NOT worth it. We're losing! Someone (Rico?) said we have 4 days to get at least one baddie, or game over. Wasting one of those days lynching someone you think is good should be repulsive to you. At least Mac made up some bullshit about wanting info! You don't even say we'd get anything out of JJJ being lynched. You want someone you say is civvie to die so that we can stop discussing him as a potential lynch candidate??? The POINT of the game is to discuss people as potential lynch candidates!

I am overreacting, or is this the least civ mindset all game? I'm down to vote motel room again, with Matt this time. I'm more sure about him than JJJ.

Great. Yes I knew what you were referring to, what I objected to was you coming in out of nowhere and pretending to be certain about something. Going and actually doing it now seems like busywork but ok do you see the difference between what I'm suggesting and what Mac was suggesting? Mac thinks lynching Sorsha will leave behind all these clues he's super eager to get into, I'm suggesting lynching JJJ crosses him off the list the end. No more bickering about whether he's scum or town or what because look it's happening again today "JJJ should still be on the table for a lynch", "what do we think about JJJ?" over and over.

I'm not debating anything about Mac's Sorsha thing, not sure why you think that.

Russtifinko wrote:, and I have nothing to hide..

I love it when someone feels they need to say this.

Epignosis wrote:Gaw damn Matt F is hungry.

Yeah feels that way, which is why I'm not flipping it on him for tunnelling. I think he thinks he's doing right.

Matt F wrote:If you took yourself out of the equation, are you able to admit that it looks sketchy?

Yes on defending mac and my town-flipped votes, No on how hard I defended mac or my pressuring of Strawhenge. I dunno its hard to be unbiased.

Matt F wrote:Also, I am still fixated on Strawhenge referring to Mac as a "scum buddy" but not voting for him during Day 6. Since Strawhenge refused to vote for Mac, and referred to him as your and 3J's "scum buddy" before his role was revealed, do you expect Strawhenge to be looking at you or 3J today?

I don't know what to expect from him. But I'm interested seeing as he popped in, said "oh my god what happened" and left. I would very much like to know what he thinks of what happened.

Ricochet wrote:

motel room wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also, boosh and/or kakow.

Linki: but Ricochet, the drugs are everlasting. The player receives 2 votes every day, not just the next day.

Doesn't change the fact he can drug another player.

I'm just saying that someone could currently be drugged, but it would have happened Night 4.

If it wasn't Devin (which, given the 6-8 down distance, is rather hard to believe), then yes.

If it was Devin, then no one is currently drugged, because I didn't pay attention to the even night specification.

Night 2 didn't happen
Night 4 - Devin or not Devin
Night 6 didn't happen

So back to this other thing, if seaside was isolating those three players (jjj, diiny, espers) because of voting shenanigans he saw on Day 4, that actually would indicate they were more likely to be town?

He started singling out JJJ, Diiny and Espers on Day 4, not after seeing voting shenanigans happening on Day 4. He would have gotten such results after Day 4, at the earliest.

Yeah no thats what I mean:
So back to this other thing, if seaside was isolating those three players (jjj, diiny, espers) because of voting shenanigans he saw, on Day 4, that actually would indicate they were more likely to be town? - threw in a comma

But yeah, aside from the Day being clarified, am I correct or misunderstanding?

Matt F wrote: (I'm so very sorry for tunneling you Sorsha)

at least I have one of these to look forward to

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also, boosh and/or kakow.

Linki: but Ricochet, the drugs are everlasting. The player receives 2 votes every day, not just the next day.

Doesn't change the fact he can drug another player.

I'm just saying that someone could currently be drugged, but it would have happened Night 4.

If it wasn't Devin (which, given the 6-8 down distance, is rather hard to believe), then yes.

If it was Devin, then no one is currently drugged, because I didn't pay attention to the even night specification.

Night 2 didn't happen
Night 4 - Devin or not Devin
Night 6 didn't happen

So back to this other thing, if seaside was isolating those three players (jjj, diiny, espers) because of voting shenanigans he saw on Day 4, that actually would indicate they were more likely to be town?

motel room wrote:

sig wrote:I think your trying to get me to respond in an attempt to make me slip up and get me lynched, and it really isn't my place to tell you who has been suspicious of me that would be like building the case for my own lynch a rather silly thing to do.

well we wouldn't want you to slip up now

lol remember this?

Ricochet wrote:

Matt wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Black Rock wrote:http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p184571

Still thinking about this post actually. I'm just loving it, it's very helpful for me. Thank you.

Negative
Matt
finding his ping "phony" in joining sig's wording case

MacDougall
suspicious of motel room for bringing up Flowers tactics (although this seems like self-aware fake sussing, imo, since LC was Flowers)
voting MacDougall D2

Can the green part of this be explained more? Is this Macs suspicion or LC's?

Uhh pretty sure that's in LC's section, so it's LC's suspicion on MacDougall.

Basically both Mac and motel brought up some interpretations of what Flowers might have done with his D1 vote and then LC sussed them both for talking about it. I already pointed out this suspicion looks fake, since LC was of course Flowers himself. But it still counts as LC putting heat on Mac for this.

I was confused on where motel room fit in under Mac, that's all.

Rico, I hope you're still reading this (I read all of your big posts, dude!!! Haha). Are you saying Long Con was suspicious of both MacD and motel room because of discussing the Flowers role? I'll have to go check that out to be sure. Funny, we know Long Con and MacD were teamies, where does motel room fit in, knowing what we do now about MR trying to dissuade a Mac lynch Day 6 and bandwagoning a civvie Day 7?

Yes, LC hissed at both MacD and motel for discussing Flowers (which he turned out to be).
motel fits in as a busser, compared to Mac only distancing and sidelining the LC lynch for creds afterwards.

Hi. Can someone point out where I was supposed to have discussed this Flowers role with these people? And if not, do we know who Ricochet is actually confusing me with in that post?

Now keep considering me as scum, by all means. But consider me as not scum too and see how your theories hold up. I notice you like your theories to wrap as many names as suits from a scum team operating. If that works for you, over individual scumminess, knock yourself out.

You didn't address this (my dusk 0 vote) - it wasn't a question. But anyway, yes those were my votes for a game mechanic I still don't know what they do.

You question a civilian as to why he finds Mac suspicious. - yes
Then brush off his suspicion. (about hostile players or whatever) - yes, because I know mac is a sweary, aggressive player and I've been told I can be one too.

Not related, the Straw stuff should've been in Miscellaneous. Anyway yes you did defend Mac again. Was that your sole defense? Also, I still don't get how you were trying to get Straw to "slip up". It seemed like you were very much against a Mac lynch. - well yeah, that's my defence because I thought he was town. Like, we're gonna get nowhere if you don't fucking stop to consider I might have just thought mac was town.

And the Strawhenge thing, jesus. He even gets it. You're being obtuse.

So you were swayed by the people voting for Long Con, hence you changing your vote to Choutas, but in the end, figured "what the hey to the people vouching for him" ? ? - yes. Thank you for repeating what I said but in question form.

What I was trying to say is that it seemed clear as day to you that Zebra did in fact tell everyone he was Keterman in a post, yet you didn't try to point that out while I was accusing Zebra and Roxy of being partners because of my own mistake missing that post. But I agree, I think I was stretching things here because I really think you're a Mafia and see bad all over you. This segment isn't that important and I concede. - oh ok. Good to know.

Do you think he's good or bad? (about floyd)- if you've read my posts from the end of Day 7 you'll have your answer. Godspeed, Reader F.

I don't know, you got me there. I very much suspect. Seeing as how seaside was civvie, though, I'm still looking at Floyd and 3J. Are you? Who's your top suspect as of now and why? - you also very much suspect me but you're wrong. I'd suspect JJJ moreso than Floyd based on that last post of his lol, but neither of them heavily. I'll be reassessing all that shit tomorrow.

Did you respond to this? (about Sorsha suspicion) - that I was suspicious of Sorsha? No because it wasn't a question. Yes I was suspicious of Sorsha but as I said somewhere already this was mostly a borrowed read from people I trusted as town before my town radar got shot to shit.

What are your current thoughts on Metalmarsh? What does a "potential weak lynch attempt" look like, an example? - I like him a bit better than I did before. It looks like:
"why isn't anyone getting on my wagon here I put all this effort into, it should be considered" minus any actual case or effort (it was an OMGUS vote remember). Sans case.

Are you in a position to file him as a civilian or mafia? What do you think his alignment is? Frankly, you ask him a great question about "teammates" and then never pursue. He just said he's been getting other PM's! Yes, he could mean Roxy's Interrogation E-mail, I got that one too! Maybe he means one of the many PMs between him and Moving Pictures when they're talking about not spamming the thread. You know what would be great? Is if Floyd said as much when questioned. I'm not sure where I currently am on Floyd, but I do think you and 3J are bad. (Floyd again) - Gets to a point when I feel like you haven't read my posts or my opinions. It could be a scum slip up, yes I said yes im saying yes again. If he gets lynched I'm not gonna fucking sweat it. But hey hey get this, if he's not scum your case on him makes him the piss easiest fallguy for a scum to capitalise on, yay or nay? So I'm wary.


I think that's all. I hope you read it.

holy shit I'm not touching that monster post any more. I'll pull out your red and reply and you'll just have to remember what I'm replying to. Cos damn some of that still isnt actually questions.

TheFloyd73 wrote:

motel room wrote:

TheFloyd73 wrote:So, which roles remain at the moment?

why are you interested?

I want to know how many Mafia remain. If I can work out who's scum, I could perhaps put roles on them.

we don't know definitively which roles remain. But you should definitely try that working out who's scum thing.

TheFloyd73 wrote:So, which roles remain at the moment?

why are you interested?

Matt F wrote:Ummmm

Day 1

sig
4
motel room (11), JaggedJimmyJay (16), Long Con (21), birdwithteeth11 (26) 11%

Day 2

Long Con
8
Choutas (12), sig (16), seaside (17), DrWilgy (18), motel room (31), bcornett24 (32), JaggedJimmyJay (34), Russtifinko (35) 21%

Day 5

espers
8
Russtifinko (18), motel room (20), JaggedJimmyJay (22), RadicalFuzz (23), Metalmarsh89 (30), Diiny (31), Ricochet (32), Matt F (34) 24%

Day 6

Diiny
6
sig (22), seaside (23), MacDougall (24), motel room (26), Choutas (27), JaggedJimmyJay (28)

Day 7

seaside
8
Epignosis (20), motel room (21), Metalmarsh89 (23), JaggedJimmyJay (24), bcornett24 (25), Russtifinko (26), Diiny (27), Elohcin (28) 29%

*****

Okay so, voting together 5 out of 7 days is one thing. Actively discouraging the lynch of a now confirmed scum on Day 6 is another. Bandwagoning a civilian on Day 7 to avoid lynching a highly suspicious very possible scum...

What's up?

I like that I'm first to vote on all of these at least, because jjj possibly buddying me is flattering. And weirdly enough, if I'm to take notice of this and start badgering jjj more that'll be me playing into your prediction you mentioned a few posts up that the scum team with me on it planned to turn on jjj next day right? So yeah, maybe something's up but also maybe I'm being played by you.

Seaside was more suspicious to me, and others but I can't say if they're genuine, than the other two. I said that. That was my read. Do you not believe my suspicions of him and my reasons?

linki: "What's up?" doesn't feel very genuine or directed at anyone.

I don't know how I feel about jjj, or Diiny. I'm not sure what information, based on seaside's role, made him so certain - maybe you can help Matt? If Drugs is the only vote manipulation role that the scums have, what could seaside have possibly saw that made him so certain it was one of those three? I don't get it.

Matt F are you still around? Ask me any questions you have for me. You're tunnelling me it seems, which is fine except that by including me in all your scenarios so hard you're not helping town. Believe me or not.

You've been sold on me since mac's flip, fine. For whatever reason no one else during the GTH thingy had me as scum, so hey maybe you're wrong.

You haven't actually replied to my response to your last accusation of me. Either ask me questions or consider other options. I'll be here for a bit.

Elohcin wrote:I ask again...who came up with the sudden suspicion of seaside?

I helped build momentum I think.