The Syndicate

Seven pages already. I'm gonna need a bunch of cocaine and bell peppers to play this game, aren't I.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:14 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:06 pm Seven pages already. I'm gonna need a bunch of cocaine and bell peppers to play this game, aren't I.

Oh right wouldn't be a game without someone complaining about the thread being active.

Was there a complaint there? Just an observation, man. We're all cool, here, man.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:25 pm Falcon is my only solid town read

Billboard town.

I'm still catching up, so you might have said so already, but can you elaborate on your read?

Aw man, I haven't had a Last.fm since the Bush administration. Guess you'll have to just imagine all the Beatles and Radiohead.

This is Strawhenge to the thread: I have some initial thoughts.

1. I like Schiavetto so far, man. They're getting down to brass tacks. I also don't know this player, and some of you cats are taking issue with them.

2. Somehow the typed version of this kind of thing unsettles me more than when spoken, man. It's probably harmless but it also made the back of my neck feel damp in a bad way.

4. Oh no, there's more. One of these two is scum. It's a gut read, but mark my words, man.

5. Okay, but for real, since I don't know a lot of you, someone tell me if this is normal for Valentine because Grandfather Strawhenge doesn't like it, no sir.

6. Huh. Not diggin this, man. I know it could be a jokey response to a jokey post, but I read this as the confidence of someone who might know Valentine is town.

7. I like DeeZees too. Drunk but playing the game like a townie. That usually bodes well, man. Usually.

8. Quick aside: I have to relearn all of your Syndicate lingo. It's like I'm reading a different language.

9. Not in love with the 'yeah sure' approach here. @Inawordyes, what about Falcon's ISO made you agree that he's scum?

10. Like, seriously, 'walrus'? The hell is that. What the hell is that. What are these acronyms. What's RvS. I am an elderly man.

11. Maybe I'm old-fashioned but I'm not fond of the sort of pugnacious style as displayed by Creature. Unexplained vote, unexplained re-vote, says everyone is boring them, gives a couple brief, wishy-washy posts, accuses me of complaining about an active thread not long after saying the thread is boring... I'm out of touch with y'all's meta, but if this was RYM ca. 2015, Creature would be playing right out of the scum playbook.

to be continued so my post isn't long as hell

Alright, so that's just how they play. I don't like it, but I accept it.

Please don't apologize @Valentine; I'm just old and instinctively revert to ancient mafia meta.

This is Strawhenge to the thread: I have part two of my thoughts so far

1. the fuck is 'obeah'

2. sirengif © me 2014. Hey @Cape90 what makes you think there are three third parties?

3. Sabi's engagement looks good so far. Just a general comment, man.

4. Is the angel-shooting referenced here really something a scum would do? Is that something IAWY would force?

okay I have to go for the evening but I'll be back ASAP, sorry

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:26 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:25 pm Please don't apologize @Valentine; I'm just old and instinctively revert to ancient mafia meta.

When was your last mafia game?

Last year, and that was my first in years.

Valentine wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:59 ami hate having fun and be 100% serious and without any mirth

Mood.

Valentine wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:04 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:03 am

Valentine wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:59 ami hate having fun and be 100% serious and without any mirth

Mood.

i'm going to wake up in the worst mood ever tomorrow so we can be grumpy together

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LordQuas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:05 amgood post, one question. What happened to #3? @Strawhenge

I think I had a question about somebody, but kept reading through the catch-up, and it was answered. I can't remember what it was, though.

This is Strawhenge to @LordQuas: Is it just Schia's self-vote that's getting you? Is there anything else about them that's awkward?

Nvm, you answered the question while I was typing.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:22 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:15 am This is Strawhenge to @LordQuas: Is it just Schia's self-vote that's getting you? Is there anything else about them that's awkward?

Okay, I'ma say something that's gonna blow everyone's mind: Being awk doesn't=wolfy

I agree; that's why I was asking. Self-voting D1 (or any day really) has never indicated alignment to me, and I've followed the awkward=scum fallacy before, to my folly and ultimate doom.

LordQuas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:24 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:15 am This is Strawhenge to @LordQuas: Is it just Schia's self-vote that's getting you? Is there anything else about them that's awkward?

i just haven't felt like their jokes have been natural at all and reminded me of a wolf trying to imitate a towny having fun rather than a towny actually having fun. I also didn't particularly like that schia post about mine about the rabbit person with the french name (thats a sentence) but I did like schia's response to me

its an early read that i'm not married to but it was what stuck out to me the most from that rvs phase

also rachel holy shit that ending

Alright, gotcha. I haven't read Schia's posts the same way, but I also don't know them. Shrugging emoji.

Also here is my bullshit:

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:40 am Also here is my bullshit:

Spoiler: show

I am very based, unique, and cool.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:23 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:30 pm 2. sirengif © me 2014. Hey @Cape90 what makes you think there are three third parties?

Read the first post of the game, there lies your answers.

I noticed it because I was looking for what time the game even starts, reread the thing about 20 times before actually seeing it since it was implied at the bottom

I looked right past it, oops, thanks

I'm getting a vague vibe from IAWY. If we're going on trying too hard, a lot of their posts feel that way to me. They say they're coming from another site, so maybe that's more their playing culture, but something feels right and I don't know how to articulate it at the moment. It's two full American hours past pop-pop's bedtime, and my mental capacity is flaking away.

This is Strawhenge to the thread: I'm feeling very still, so I'm going to go to sleep. I'll come at this thread in the morning with a fresh mind and a cup of maté.

No strong or even middling scum reads at the moment, but I currently have an eyebrow raised at the following:

IAWY
Creature
hollowkatt
Cape90

This is Strawhenge to the thread: Good morning, I'm back. Oh wait I forgot my tea. Hold on.

Okay, I have my tea, it's delicious; I've washed my face; I've moisturized; I have my hat on backwards, and I'm ready to party. I'm working on some ISOs for the players I mentioned earlier, but in the meantime can someone remind me what 'mash' is in reference to?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:58 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:36 am BTW I’m Kate Bush and 3P

...we just ignoring this or

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I'm rusty on my mafia role lore; are there third-parties that aren't anti-town? Why would Colin just come out and claim third-party?

unless it's lingo and he's saying 'threep' aka 'threap' which means 'to scold; chide'

1. The Rando Votes. Creature's first post in the game was to vote nutella. At this point Nutella has only posted once, so this is obviously a random vote move on the part of Creature. Random votes right out of the gate are null. But then Creature re-votes for Raskolnikov. Again in rando-vote fashion: with no explanation. However in context it's noteworthy that this revote comes three minutes after votes Creature, and a little less than an hour after hollowkatt rando-votes Raskolnikov. The timing of that feels very off to me, like Creature could be trying to look like a fun-lovin freewheelin towny makin joke votes, but not the kind of joke votes that could spark conversation.

2. Defensiveness. Creature's first game-related comment is 'Oh well shit', in response to Sabi pointing out that people scumread Creature (and Falcon) for popping in and dipping out. After another indifference post (I'll get to that in the next item), Sabi prods Creature for comment and he says '[...] Pushing falcon and me for dipping off is a pretty lazy thing to do and strikes as wolf scared to make enemies active in-thread.'. It's not as hollow as a straight-up parroting, but it does echo Sabi's post that basically points out the same fallacy. To me, this reads as a little too defensive for something that had already been shot down as angel-shooting (if I'm using the term correctly).

3. Indifference. I already said as much, but I'm not loving the, 'idk you're all boring me' approach. I've already been informed that this is just Creature Creaturing, but my scumdar pings with the lowkey aggro aloofness approach. I just can't get into the mindset of being town and telling my potential teammates this without contributing anything myself. He later claims that he's going to '[...] prob spend this night reading books [...]', reinforcing his outward boredom with this game. Two minutes later he says, 'You all got no thoughts on players who have been actually posting?' This is on Page 7 of the thread, at which point there has been plenty of discussion about players who have actually posted. What's most noteworthy here is that these indifference posts are interlaced with the defensive posts I mentioned in the previous item. The 'Oh well shit' at the angel shooting, then indifference, then 'nobody's talking about anything', then responding to Sabi by basically telling them what they had already said. The combination of items 2 and 3 are scummy to me.

3.1. Following his indifference, it's interesting that he attacked me for, 'complaining about the thread being active.' This, from the guy who said, 'idk you're all boring me' and saying he was going to go read.

4. I don't know what to make of this with regards to alignment, but this is interesting. Creature says hi to pyxxy, and asks, 'Got something?' As of the time of writing, pyxxy has yet to post in the game. Pyxxy isn't @'ed in the post either. Did Creature see that pyxxy was online? I can't put my finger on it, but this is odd to me.

5. This little read list pings my scumdar a little. I'll reiterate that I have no experience with Creature, so this might be his style, but saying one player (Le pitit) feels 'awkward', another player (IAWY) feels 'weird', and '[not knowing] what to make out of nutella' feels like a very soft and unengaged post—especially in context with the rest of his posts. Then he walks back his thought on IAWY in a similar fasion, then casts a for Valentine.
TL;DR: Creature's clash of indifference and defensiveness is pinging me to lean scum. I'm open to hearing others' thoughts on this, as a lot of you have more experience with Creature than I.

Addendum: I only just now realized that Raskol = Le petit.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:04 pm How do people write so many words about a read

I literally write novels. I sneeze and 1,000 words come out.

1. hollowkat's first handful of posts are pretty playful. '#obligatory' rando-vote on LPP, razzing the drunk guy, having the correct opinion on uwu speak, hating music to the point where I would encourage them to make an RYM account, etc. Being playful on D1—especially within hours of the start of the game—is largely null. I've seen town and scum behave in exactly the same way.

2. See, but then, couched in the playfulness is a post I already commented on: 'yeah sure you can be town why not' in response to Valentine. This is a light scumdar ping. A very light scumdar ping—the breath of a whisper of a memory of a dream of a feathery little kiss of a scumdar ping. In context it aligns with hollowkat's playful presentation. But there's an air of confidence there that I have trouble ignoring. Again: an extremely light scumdar ping.

3. Votes Creature, 'for reasons I refuse to explain'. This is interesting because this comes after the posts where Creature overcame his boredom and started discussing things. If this is a joke/rando vote, it's oddly timed.

4. The response to IAWY's Falcon read feels like an analytical town response. I would challenge it with a question for @hollowkatt: What's your read on Zeus? So far, your only mention of Zeus is that '[drinking] usually makes [him] funnier', and that, 'petit/zeus not w/w'.

5. I'm not loving the meta suspicion of Sabi. I have historically been guilty of meta-sussing players (hi JJJ), and it has never really served the game. This doesn't make me lean town or scum for hollowkatt, but I'm putting a pin in it.

6. can only imagine dragons siren.gif siren.gif siren.gif

7. This LordQuas-blindness is weird to me. As hollowkatt mentions, LQ had 35 posts in the thread by that point, and there were plenty game-related ones in those 35. They then concede that they haven't been backreading. For a Syndicate game with 12 pages at the time of that post, not backreading isn't necessarily a sign of disengagement and laziness, so I don't have an alignment read on it. I just think it's bizarre that hollowkatt just didn't 'recognize and read' any of LQ's nearly-three-dozen posts up until that point.
TL;DR I'm mostly getting a null read on hollowkatt with just a, whew, just a dust particle of a thought of a dream of a zephyr of a whiff of scumdar ping. Possibly 3P? Not going to lean scum, but I'm definitely gonna keep my eye on hollowkatt, man.

I forgot to put 'ISO:' before the title of my hollowkatt ISO. My formatting consistency is shattered. I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Strawhenge.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:19 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:58 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:36 am BTW I’m Kate Bush and 3P

...we just ignoring this or

Yeah apparently.

Hey Colin! What's your role?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:30 pmAnyway 7. I do have theories that mafia tend to throw one these one liners at partners to make it appear they look good if they flip as a form of distancing but this theory relies on hk flipping w which would drive up quas w equity in my eyes. Disregard if either flip town first.

This is a great point. I was thinking I'd take a gander at LQ after my initial four ISOs, but I might do theirs sooner.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:30 pmBack to 5. I think it's weird he hasn't found anyone scummy after pressuring valentine earlier to not move his vote off me. It's going to be pretty lazy and scummy if him to keep resorting to me snowing him our last game to vote me even if he Durant believe he scumreads me

I agree. Meta-reads on D1 aren't usually something to stick to until EOD, in my opinion. He did say he doesn't see where a town-read on Zeus is coming from. Hopefully he'll elaborate on that.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:43 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:36 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:21 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:17 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:36 am BTW I’m Kate Bush and 3P

Are you running up the hills to say that?

Anyway what is your wincon if you're 3p and what was your intentions of posting this?

My wincon is to learn what people’s roles are or something. My intentions of posting this were to see what would happen

Oh.

Is it a game ending wincon?

Well what do you think of the reactions that you received?

I … can’t quite tell if it’s game-ending or not, but it’s possible that it could be, so if people don’t want to tell me their roles I guess I understand.

I don’t know if there’s anything to be gleamed from the reactions to me so far. Town and wolves can both go wut

This is a fascinating role, if true. I don't know what to think about it yet.

1. stinkface.gif. But for real, it did feel forced to me. I like their response to my take, though. Tiny scumdar ping nullified for now.

2. I kind of like this response to Cape90 saying IAWY is town. I feel like scum try to avoid remarking on someone's townread of them, and not only does IAWY make a remark, but they smelled something weird about the take and challenged it. Gambity as hell if scum.

3. However I don't really like the Falcon read here. IAWY drops the 'awkward' word (the awk-word? [thinking emoji]) about Falcon's OP. IAWY then pivots and concedes to having 'jumped the gun' on the read, prompting them to give a second readthrough, which they admit makes Falcon not 'read as bad now'. The guns that IAWY sticks to, however, have to be taken with several grains of salt, given that it's based on Falcon's posting activity / thread presence. Given the later angel-shooting discussion, I'm of a mind to believe that IAWY was playing the game as they're accustomed to, and have genuine concerns. Just, in context on the Syndicate, it doesn't make for a compelling take on Falcon.

4. Despite Item #2 in my list, IAWY does seem a little preoccupied with how others perceive them. They do it again, with Valentine again, here. It's interesting that there are two separate times when IAWY is directly trying to get Valentine to state their opinion of IAWY.

5. I don't know how to interpret this. Do you actually mean you don't like the fact that there's a sarc tag? That people need to use it less? How do I parse this. What does anything mean. I'm adrift on a still and moonless ocean.

6. Question for @Inawordyes: You say there's 'a difference between when [Val's vibe] is coming from a wolfy place and when it's townie'. What is that difference? I also get null/town-leaning vibes on Val, but I'm curious how you make the distinction.

7. I should have mentioned this in the hollowkatt iso, but this interaction between IAWY and hollowkatt is interesting. I'm having trouble articulating why, and this is purely a gut/vibe thing, but I could see this being two scummates passing in the night. A w/w interaction, in the parlance of the arena. Reiteration: purely gut, and not really based on anything.
TL;DR, There are some funky things about IAWY so far, but I think that's all coming down to differences in playstyle. The whole angel-shooting thing is highly indicative that they are used to a different mafia environment, and that's something I can empathize with. My read is almost perfectly null: town pings are balanced with scum pings.

I have to not stare at a screen for a bit. I'll be back later.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:51 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:31 pm 3.1. Following his indifference, it's interesting that he attacked me for, 'complaining about the thread being active.' This, from the guy who said, 'idk you're all boring me' and saying he was going to go read.

To be fair, slightly scummy on your end.

How? There were 7 pages in two hours of the game being open, and it's scummy to comment on that? I wasn't even complaining; it was just a whoa.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:51 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:31 pm 4. I don't know what to make of this with regards to alignment, but this is interesting. Creature says hi to pyxxy, and asks, 'Got something?' As of the time of writing, pyxxy has yet to post in the game. Pyxxy isn't @'ed in the post either. Did Creature see that pyxxy was online? I can't put my finger on it, but this is odd to me.

Just to answer your question, yes, this was literally discussed multiple times and I am surprised with how much digging around you did for point 1 that you failed to see this.

Just a peek behind the curtain: I tend to write these lists more-or-less as I read ISOs in chronological order. And as far as I saw, pyxxy's online status was discussed multiple times with regards to IAWY, not Creature. My point was that Creature did this after the discussion about angel-shooting.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:51 pm Let's back up to a post between the reads list as you call it, and the vote on Valentine. Creature asks Sabi about what they thought of le petit/Valentine. Sabi responds with saying they aren't a fan of le petit making reads off rvs fluff and they are giving Valentine time til mid day 1. But this might not have been enough to rock the boat. This is where falcon comes in. Falcon makes these two posts right before Creature votes off Valentine before any of the other people that Creature has audibly voiced suspicion on.

I'm missing your point here.

See, now, that's a complaint.

Anyway, Creature, since you seem so bored again, I'll try to excite you.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:57 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:55 pm Anyway, Creature, since you seem so bored again, I'll try to excite you.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

That usually has the opposite effect. Try wagoning an actual wolf.

Convince me that I'm not.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:05 pm

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:04 pm like maybe not the wagoned slots themselves, but the movement around them

The lack of movements and when there's any it's just weak pushes that accomplish nothing that bothers me.

What would accomplish something, then?

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:08 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:06 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:05 pm

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:04 pm like maybe not the wagoned slots themselves, but the movement around them

The lack of movements and when there's any it's just weak pushes that accomplish nothing that bothers me.

What would accomplish something, then?

Finding a wagon we agree on someone wolfy, make it big enough and make the wagonee dance.

Alright, sell me on Le petit then. Or can you not do that today either?

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:04 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:47 pm

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:41 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:40 pm

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:38 pm This is entirely too many posts for this thread to have at this point

How many were you expecting?

idk a couple hundred? Nothing has happened and it hasn't even been 24 hours, there's no reason for the average post per player to be in the double digits at this point

Wait... What

961/23 = ~42

Let's say 41 after deducting mod posts

That's still to high for an average for day 1 after less than 24 hours. Or idk maybe we just hit 24 hours. Still too much noise.

Complaining that there's a lot of posts is one thing; actively saying that people should have posted less is another. The fact that you're latching onto this is not a good look.

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:09 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:07 pm

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:04 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:47 pm

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:41 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:40 pm

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:38 pm This is entirely too many posts for this thread to have at this point

How many were you expecting?

idk a couple hundred? Nothing has happened and it hasn't even been 24 hours, there's no reason for the average post per player to be in the double digits at this point

Wait... What

961/23 = ~42

Let's say 41 after deducting mod posts

That's still to high for an average for day 1 after less than 24 hours. Or idk maybe we just hit 24 hours. Still too much noise.

Complaining that there's a lot of posts is one thing; actively saying that people should have posted less is another. The fact that you're latching onto this is not a good look.

Give me a second to reply this, I'm not familiar with this board's emoji selection so it's going to take me a second to decide which one conveys the maximal amount of contempt, condescension and pure eye-rolling

Disengaging. I don't communicate with hostile players. Have a good game.