The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Strawhenge wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Strawhenge, I'll reduce this to a simple question:

Do you think it was a slip?

Yes.

As in, he didn't intend to reveal the number of scum players but did by accident?

Just to be clear.

Yes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Strawhenge, I'll reduce this to a simple question:

Do you think it was a slip?

Yes.

Response to Dyslexicon:

1. I flagged you but didn't vote for the same reason Jay did: to wait for your response. I did mention this, but kind of in the second degree because I was advising someone not to pile votes on you until you responded.

2. Unless the marmot has actual reason to suspect me, I wouldn't read into his vote for me too deeply. He and I have history: in the Talking Heads game I tunneled him hard out of desperation and game-fatigue. He owes me many, many lynch votes. That is, unless he has actual reasons to vote for me pertaining to this game.

3. Mentioning my paranoia was a fluff post, and not at all sincere. I haven't played Mafia in...like, a year? More? That was just me saying it was good to be back.

4. Brusquely saying, 'No,' to my posts without explanation felt almost like you were trying to alienate me or something, because I've played only one game here before. I was taking it personally, I'm disregarding it now, never mind.

5. Most importantly: your response to the 'slip'. Your initial responses read as aloof, as if to laughingly blame us for misreading an obvious and dumb mistake. You insisted that you weren't dumb enough to make such a mistake--something backed up by Jay, who said that not even most beginners would slip such information.

But as Jay also said, even vets mistakes. Egregious ones. I've done it. Jay's done it. Most vets I've played with have done it. I think that the true mistake is not so much in your original slip but the manner in which you responded to it. First aloofness, and then explaining yourself.

Also, citing other games and saying, 'But look at my meta! See? I've done this before!' is a classic scum move.

Vote Dyslexicon

Golden wrote:I think there's about a 20 minute lag

Good to know; I'll stop screaming through the screen at those who are browsing the thread and not responding.

Quin wrote:

Strawhenge wrote:

Quin wrote:I haven't played with hammer votes in a long time, so I didn't really think about the strategy behind it. So yeah, I don't think anybody else should throw their votes down on Dyslexicon yet. Let's discuss some other stuff.

What does everyone think about Sorsha re: my 'case'?

I agree that her response was fluff, but I don't see how she's 'appeasing' Jay. Would you care to unpack that thought a little?

I gave my thoughts about it when I answered Golden here:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:I didn't really expect Sorsha to consider the girls to be town. At this point, any argument for why one should be voted to have the map was inherently facetious.

I find Sorsha's response fair. She didn't say she read them as civilian, she said she had no reason to think they weren't. Useful pedantry. I disagree with Quin's assessment that she 'appeased' Jay.

By answering the questions the way she did, it looks like she's confirming her post to have been based on reads, which omits what I think the post was based on, the gimmick. That's the impression I get.

To say it more explicitly, I feel like not being honest about her intentions behind the post and just playing into the idea that it was read-based was an effort to appease 3J.

I'm not reading it as dishonest at all. I don't see a correlation between her intention of the post, and her town reads on the players she mentioned. It reads to me like she made a joke post, but also happens to think they're townies insofar. She also didn't expressly say that she thought they were town; she said Jay could 'safely assume' that, because she didn't have any scum reads on them at the moment.

That's how I'm interpreting it anyway. It's entirely possible that she would want to look good by appeasing Jay, but I can't imagine why she would have needed to appease him. He wasn't accusing her of anything, so she would have no reason to be defensive.

Silver Lantern wrote:I think the # of mafia thing is suspicious enough that I have no issues voting for him/her.

If we get to 6 votes on someone, the phase ends?

I would advise what Jay advised: give Dyslexicon a chance to respond before piling votes on. We don't want a premature hammer-lynch if Dyslexicon has a reasonable explanation.

Quin wrote:I haven't played with hammer votes in a long time, so I didn't really think about the strategy behind it. So yeah, I don't think anybody else should throw their votes down on Dyslexicon yet. Let's discuss some other stuff.

What does everyone think about Sorsha re: my 'case'?

I agree that her response was fluff, but I don't see how she's 'appeasing' Jay. Would you care to unpack that thought a little?

I don't know if Syndicate indicates people as 'online' for a while after they log off, like on RYM, but Dyslexicon was 'browsing this forum' through to the start of pg.7, plus some minutes. FWIW.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:We have five scum to catch, and I only have three scum reads so far. Who hasn't posted yet? Let's kill them first. \o/

I don't read this anywhere.

Vote Dyslexicon

I'm going to read through the original post again, but if you're right this is a great catch. This is what a real slip looks like.

Just Ctrl+F'd for 'five' and '5' and nothing came up.

Also I found my sirengif. I sirenGIFT it to you all for liberal usage.

Again, Dyslexicon, I'd love a reason why you responded, 'No.' to some of my posts.

Quin wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:We have five scum to catch, and I only have three scum reads so far. Who hasn't posted yet? Let's kill them first. \o/

I don't read this anywhere.

Vote Dyslexicon

Where the hell is the sirengif button. Someone add a sirengif button.

Golden wrote:Hi Strawhenge. I thought you might like someone to break up your posts a little.

Man, I appreciate it.

Source:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Strawhenge wrote:Oh hey. Thus begins paranoia. I remember this feeling. :')

No.

Strawhenge wrote:Damn it, I didn't realize that the map votes are by pm.

So far we only have two non-self-nominations for getting the map. Golden for Jay, speedchuck for Quin, and I'm already wary of both of them. But this is Day 0; I'm wary of everything.

My kneejerk is to say that Jay should have the map, because if he's town, I trust him to make good use of it. But that's kneejerk.

I can honestly say that I will likely only be able to get on once a day this weekend, so I shouldn't get the map. Not if I infer correctly that having it would require me to be on more than possible. (Again, that's only for this weekend, I'll be on more after that.)

No.

I'm curious why Dyslexicon felt it necessary to respond to my fairly nothing-posts with just, 'No.'

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I jsute rememberd Strawhenge is playing,

So for now, have my vote. Vote Strawhenge

I really owe you oen..

Ya li'l scamp. I mean, you're not wrong that you owe me a lynch vote or twenty.

Thought so far: the debate between Quin and Jay over the Sorsha thing feels pretty weird. I'm wondering why, so early in the game, Quin doesn't just respond to Jay's question to Sorsha ('Do you really think all the women are town?') by saying, 'I think the question was fluff.'

I don't know what that could indicate at the moment, nor does it get my hackles up wert Quin or Jay. It just stood out as, very likely, an argument made of nothing. I've seen numerous similar conversations occur between townies in the past.

I'm literally just typing words right now because I feel guilty for my low post count and I better hit submit before this gets any worse.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I just realized that someone is going to get lynched on Valentine's Day. Romance is in the air.

I wouldn't have that asinine daylong exercise of human emotion any other way.

Oh hey, I'm here. Catching up.

(I didn't get on last night because I was seeing John Wick, Ch.2, and it was baller.)

I chose scientist for purely OT political reasons.

Damn it, I didn't realize that the map votes are by pm.

So far we only have two non-self-nominations for getting the map. Golden for Jay, speedchuck for Quin, and I'm already wary of both of them. But this is Day 0; I'm wary of everything.

My kneejerk is to say that Jay should have the map, because if he's town, I trust him to make good use of it. But that's kneejerk.

I can honestly say that I will likely only be able to get on once a day this weekend, so I shouldn't get the map. Not if I infer correctly that having it would require me to be on more than possible. (Again, that's only for this weekend, I'll be on more after that.)

That's true. So we should be wary of such voting patterns.

Golden wrote:A map sounds useful. It's my kind of item.

Well we better see some trustworthy behavior then.

Oh hey. Thus begins paranoia. I remember this feeling. :')