The Syndicate

There's a lot of stuff I wasn't here for, so if someone else has the answer to this, I would love to be enlightened.

But hey Golden, I'm curious about your vote for INH instead of La Marmota?

linki: Oh, cool, he's here. Golden! Hey Golden! {points at question]

Long Con wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:
Golden wrote:Even at the time, as the actual map holder, it was clear to me lc was not asking if he could trust me but rather if the map was useful, which is why my response to him was what it was.
For some reason I'm unable to grab the actual post, but the quote is, 'To the three Map-Holders: Do you think you should be followed? Do you feel like you can look at the map and further a Civ win with your choices?'

Do you think you should be followed. Do you feel like you can look at the map and further a Civ win with your choices.

That is, literally, asking them if they can be trusted. But I do need to stress that this was just a peculiar post, rather than an outright suspicious one. It's far from my main focus on LC.
This point is getting extremely droppable, yet you keep hanging on.

I can't be any more clear as to the difference between what you are saying and what I was saying. I just. My question was about deciphering the map, and clarity of vision due to the map.

You just keep telling yourself that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:We should remember that Sloonei's gun provides an added benefit -- it can used to eliminate a player who is otherwise a difficult lynch. Soneji is not a difficult lynch right now. That's probably a waste of a bullet.

We can shoot someone else, absorb the information gained, and then decide to lynch Soneji or someone else thereafter.

Who would you suggest?

When I've been scum in the past, I've personally employed both options; they're equally likely, I think.

Fredwood wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:
Usually when I want to be completely noncommittal when challenged about my suspicions, I tend to fall quite short of three paragraphs. I applaud your effort.

(.gif of Fry narrowing his eyes)
To be fair I was addressing juliets specific question as to why I was reading Jack as scum previously, not in regards to my view of Jack's play today. My view has progressed and I'm inclined to view that there is a high probability that he is scum.

I think JJJ's post earlier was interesting about making the mafia choose between Jack and Quin, and while he may have an optimistic view of the situation, my pessimistic brain keeps concocting the scary scenario that if they don't kill either of them we'll just keep having this same argument, that's where my mind keeps going. I do feel, the way this day turns out, one of them has to be dead by the end of the phase. Scum is killing universally approved townies with strong powers, I disagree about this argument fitting into that scenario.

Why doesn't the argument fit into this scenario?

Golden wrote:
Sloonei wrote:<snip>
Why are you alive? Why did you not watch the publicly exposed vigilante and cop the last two nights?
These questions seem oddly contradictory.

Yet pretty decent questions.

linki: thank yewwww

linki 2: FW, I'll read your post when people stop posting and I can get this post posted.

linki 3: goddammit Sloonei I'm trying to post here

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:I've been meaning to ask, but refresh me on the meaning of POE.
It's one of those lantern-toting ghosts in Ocarina of Time.

Sloonei wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:I've been meaning to ask, but refresh me on the meaning of POE.
He was a time-traveling alcoholic who wrote horror stories.

I've been meaning to ask, but refresh me on the meaning of POE.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:As the day wears on I am find myself returning/regressing to my suspicion of JOH too. If I were to make a bulleted list of scummy things said/done by every player, his list would be the longest.

I'd be interested in that list, because his tenacity and pressing of specific subjects has seemed, overall, to be more townish than scumlike. Emphasis on 'overall'; in my efforts in catching up I probably have missed several little scum nuggets.

Golden wrote:Even at the time, as the actual map holder, it was clear to me lc was not asking if he could trust me but rather if the map was useful, which is why my response to him was what it was.

For some reason I'm unable to grab the actual post, but the quote is, 'To the three Map-Holders: Do you think you should be followed? Do you feel like you can look at the map and further a Civ win with your choices?'

Do you think you should be followed. Do you feel like you can look at the map and further a Civ win with your choices.

That is, literally, asking them if they can be trusted. But I do need to stress that this was just a peculiar post, rather than an outright suspicious one. It's far from my main focus on LC.

Another subject: Golden has a crapload of material to read through, and I've not the requisite time to comb through it for an ISO. My guilt over having little time for this game is raging like some inflamed pustule. He remains in my 'vaguely suspicious' category. I'll do my ultimate damnedest to stay abreast of current goings on.

Long Con wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:<snip>

4. After some folks explain why INH's worries were valid, he says that the Dys slip is much more 'juicy'. Possible attempt to redirect conversation. In the same post he says the INH vote was just a pressure-vote. I'm struggling to see why a pressure-vote was needed there.
Again, as I talked about much earlier, I used the term "pressure-vote" to explain the way I was voting him - to indicate a mild suspicion.

<snip>

6. All in one post: snarks at INH, throws shade at Jay for laying off of Golden, asks Dys if we should move on from being suspicious of Dys. That Dys item hurts my brain. LC must be pretty confident that Dys is town if he's asking DYS if we should stop grilling them about it.
Not sure about the first two, but the Dys question was to determine if Dys planned to "do" anything more with his fakeslip. It wasn't about confidence in his town-ness, it was about getting him to reveal if he was done with it, or if he was going anywhere with it. Not going anywhere with it was suspicious in my eyes. Best way to find out is to ask.

<snip>

9. Asks the map-holders if we should trust them. Map-holder or not, a map-claimer is going to say yes to that question.
I don't believe that's what I asked. I asked if the map holders believed that they could promote a Civ victory with the map information they had, not if I could trust them. I wanted to know if they were holding a map and saying "I don't know what the hell I'm looking at here" or if there was some clear info that they could use.
4. Your answer about INH is fine, but I'm still stuck on Dizzy's thing being more juicy than more rational (though, now, incorrect) suspicions. Here's a huge reveal: I didn't really believe Dizzy truly fakeslipped. I pressed that obviously ridiculous reasoning to see who would jump on that bandwagon. I'm not very good at gambits like that, because nobody truly took that bait. You didn't take my bait either, but you still called the fake slip debacle juicy as if to draw more attention to it. What say you to that?
"As if to draw more attention to it"... loaded language. I wasn't trying to draw undue attention. It was juicy. I thought it was juicy. Didn't you? I mean... it's designed to be juicy. If it wasn't juicy, it wouldn't get attention. It got my attention, mucho juice.

6. Again on the Dizzy thing, you say here that asking Dizzy if we should leave it alone or not was a prompt for Dizzy to 'do' something with it. That makes no sense. If you're suspicious of someone, like you claimed to be, a) they don't get to tell you when the questioning is done, and b) what the hell else was Dizzy going to do to sway opinion at that point?
The fakeslip was Dizzy's baby. She planned it, she planted it, and I expected her to tend to it and reap the bounty of the results. Instead, she seemed to plant it and walk away. This defied my expectations of such a gambit, but I didn't want to default to feeling suspicious if she wasn't done with it. So I asked if she was done with it. I deny your "that makes no sense".

9. [facepalm] Asking the map holders if they could lead us to victory is tantamount to asking if we can trust them.
We can trust the mapholder to be Civ without them thinking they can decipher the map in such a way that promotes Civ victory. It's two different things.

It was juicy at first, but not when the suspicions of INH had much more plausible roots. You didn't ask Dizzy if she was done with the gambit; you asked her if we should stop talking about it. That's what is two different things. Completely unlike asking map holders if we can trust them, and asking map holders if we can trust them.

Fredwood wrote:
juliets wrote:
Fred - 3 - I read his posts and it seemed he mentioned Jack was probably bad a lot yet doesn't rate Jack in his top two. I thought this was odd. Fred, have you been burned badly by Jack in the past? It feels like you think you have to keep mentioning him as bad.

I don't think I have been specifically burned by him, the only time I actually remember being burned by a player was Adamical. I may have been in games where he did burn someone, but I was probably dead by then. If I make it to the end game I have a high win percentage, so It's not that, but in general I've found that my best approach with Jack is to be careful unless given a reason to put him strongly into one category (Town) or the other (scum).

What makes me think he's a suspect is that he keeps misrepresenting my posts, which makes me distrust his other posts regarding others. Additionally, part of the read is based of process of elimination. He keeps harping on that I proffered a theory about strong players wanting to discredit each other early in the game, when 3 strong players were each fighting each other simultaneously. I thought it was an interesting interaction and pointed it out. He then twists it and then uses it as the only proof he really has that he thinks I am bad. The rest of his stuff isn't committal, or just not accurate, and he keeps changing those non-committal reads without any follow up even though I address what he accused me of and he doesn't respond. Up until today I really didn't have a ton of strong thoughts one way or the other and felt there was a slight scum tinge to his game along with a few other people and a number of actual targets. I don't know where people are saying I rank him 3rd among my targets, I might put him in the bottom 3 now but I haven't really done a read list yet.

It feels like today specifically that he wants me to lynching him or Quin, when I think that argument has been exhausted to that point, and I still don't really trust either of them, apparently this train is going to a hospital. And as such am unsure who to go after...I will admit that I am non-commital on that specific argument, because today has been a massive clusterfuck.

Usually when I want to be completely noncommittal when challenged about my suspicions, I tend to fall quite short of three paragraphs. I applaud your effort.

(.gif of Fry narrowing his eyes)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:unless you expect everyone from a given culture to be clones.

Aren't we though? Balls to the wall, 'my night role involves choosing a townie to die', etc.?

Long Con wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:<snip>

4. After some folks explain why INH's worries were valid, he says that the Dys slip is much more 'juicy'. Possible attempt to redirect conversation. In the same post he says the INH vote was just a pressure-vote. I'm struggling to see why a pressure-vote was needed there.
Again, as I talked about much earlier, I used the term "pressure-vote" to explain the way I was voting him - to indicate a mild suspicion.

<snip>

6. All in one post: snarks at INH, throws shade at Jay for laying off of Golden, asks Dys if we should move on from being suspicious of Dys. That Dys item hurts my brain. LC must be pretty confident that Dys is town if he's asking DYS if we should stop grilling them about it.
Not sure about the first two, but the Dys question was to determine if Dys planned to "do" anything more with his fakeslip. It wasn't about confidence in his town-ness, it was about getting him to reveal if he was done with it, or if he was going anywhere with it. Not going anywhere with it was suspicious in my eyes. Best way to find out is to ask.

<snip>

9. Asks the map-holders if we should trust them. Map-holder or not, a map-claimer is going to say yes to that question.
I don't believe that's what I asked. I asked if the map holders believed that they could promote a Civ victory with the map information they had, not if I could trust them. I wanted to know if they were holding a map and saying "I don't know what the hell I'm looking at here" or if there was some clear info that they could use.

4. Your answer about INH is fine, but I'm still stuck on Dizzy's thing being more juicy than more rational (though, now, incorrect) suspicions. Here's a huge reveal: I didn't really believe Dizzy truly fakeslipped. I pressed that obviously ridiculous reasoning to see who would jump on that bandwagon. I'm not very good at gambits like that, because nobody truly took that bait. You didn't take my bait either, but you still called the fake slip debacle juicy as if to draw more attention to it. What say you to that?

6. Again on the Dizzy thing, you say here that asking Dizzy if we should leave it alone or not was a prompt for Dizzy to 'do' something with it. That makes no sense. If you're suspicious of someone, like you claimed to be, a) they don't get to tell you when the questioning is done, and b) what the hell else was Dizzy going to do to sway opinion at that point?

9. [facepalm] Asking the map holders if they could lead us to victory is tantamount to asking if we can trust them.

I understand not being in the greener parts of people's rainbow lists, but I cannot fathom how I'm in the red of some. If it's just for low activity, that's pretty weak.

Re: Golden, it's a huuuuge gut-read. I'll do an ISO on him at my earliest convenience. (which unfortunately can't be right now because I have to go back to work)

Re: JOH/Quin, 50% not trusting Quin, 50% reading Jack's grilling of Quin to be genuine. In my rusted experience, I haven't experienced very many scum players to go after someone that doggedly in the face of obstinacy. If they're buddies, it's obviously way too much effort, but if Jack is scum and Quin is town, I feel like Jack would've backed off by now. I acknowledge that #notallscum would do this, but I don't see it as likely.

I mean, keep discussing it if you honestly think it's important to do so, and tell Lurky McStraws to clamp his damn gob.

Jay, do you have any counterpoints to my GTH reads? I'd be interested in hearing why any positions in that list should change, in your opinion.

Also, are we focusing on what a dead scum said to/about an AWOL player? Because the worst-case is that Eloh is an inactive (read: unable to influence current discussion) scum. I'd rather try to find the scum who are actively influencing the thread.

Jay, re: your look at my interactions with Marmot, that's a fair assessment. The Talking Heads game played heavily into how I interacted with Marmot this game, because I was so cot-durned certain he was scum that time, and was wrong. Since he behaved much in the same way this time, I backed off and read his posts as fluff. Also, if he were alive right now I'd still have some trepidation in posting about him because he could just say, 'Talking Heads,' and I would be like, 'Oh you're right you're probably fine I'll just go scream at someone else now.'

Not a good stance to take, but I am a frail human.

GTH reads as per Jay's request. Though these are GTHs, I'll stress that while I have only just caught up, I've yet to do thorough reads on anybody. Hopefully I'll have time to do that.

JayJayJay (confirmed town)
ThatchedEarthwork (top bloke; good egg)

Sloon Unit Zappa (aside from good scum hunting, voted to lynch marmot when he could have just abstained and had a no-lynch)
VelocityCharles (good scum hunting)
MultipleCapulets (also good scum hunting)

PlayingCard
Fredwood

GoldenCaulfield
JamesDoohan
DizzyGillexicon (in this tier because there is some good scum hunting, but the vvlll-esque devil-may-care behavior has shown some mildly scummy things, like being super thirsty to lynch lurkers. That may be a Mafia-cultural difference, though.)
Eloh/their possible replacement?
Soneji

Dr. Quin, Medicine Woman
OohLongConson

Nobody in solid red, because my scummiest reads have a sprinkling of good-looking posts. Again, I'll need more time to thoroughly go through folks' posts to generate some solid reads.

And I still don't trust LC, but I haven't seen much new info from him.

Jay: Mostly, end of pg. 66.

speedchuck: as of the end of pg. 66, Quin's not looking great.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:I just did. I'm not lying.
Cool, I dig.

I didn't track you.

I just got fucking PTSD.

linki: Man, lurker-lynching this late in the game just...that just tastes foul.

Dyslexicon wrote:Where is Straw and Soneji? Can we kill one of them?

Uh, rude!

GUYS I'M STILL IN THIS GAME I'M SORRY FOR LURKING I SERIOUSLY DID NOT KNOW I WOULD BE THIS BUSY PLEASE FORGIVE MEEEEEEEEEE

I'm still in the process of catching up right now, but something caught my eye yesterday and I wanted to bring it up. It's this. This quote that I'm going to control-vee right below this paragraph. You'll see it. Hold on.

Quin wrote:I don't think LC is a great choice. I don't know what anyone's beef with him is.

There we go. Okay, so, I'm befuddled as to Quin's motivation for this post. This was prompted by Dyslexicon voting for Long Con, but here's the thing. The kicker. At that time (if the subsequent votals were accurate), Dyslexicon was the only person who voted for Long Con. And the wording there is strange. 'I don't know what anyone's beef with him is.' That reads like a response someone would make to a bandwagon, not a single late-in-the-day post.

Plus, Quin should know what at least my beef with him is. I concede that this would require people to have actually read my ISO of LC, which, ha.

Anyway, weird thing. Wanted to point that out. See what you all thought of that. Pinged me as a possible DON'T SUSPECT HIM, DON'T YOU DARE sorta fing.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm dead.

My reaction to seeing this was, in order: 1. Joy that we caught a scum, 2. Regret that I wasn't part of finally catching a scum-Marmot.

Hey, I'm back, and I'm terribly sorry that I wasn't around the past couple days.

I'll try my damnedest to catch up, but there's obviously a ton of stuff that I missed. Anyone who wants to give me some CliffsNotes gets an imaginary cookie. Can be gluten-free and/or vegan; I do live in Portland.

Guys, I'm not going to have any time to mafia until Monday, and this makes me sad.

I don't have time until this evening to catch up, but just wanted to check in and:

1. Let everyone know I'm still active in the game.
2. Say the GFDI about sig that I customarily would've said after the reveal in an open night scenario.
3. Say the GFDI about Nacho and (maybe?) Wilgy (if he wasn't scum?).
4. Say what up to Sloondawg Killionaire; it has been too dang long, my dude.
5. Jokingly drop a sirengif on the Marmot for saying the '5 scum' thing.

Ahem.

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Golden wrote:linki @Straw - no, I suspect him, for sure. It's not urgent right now but it's worth a look back to understand why when you get time. It would be useful to get the perspective of someone else who has a lot of play with Jay, especially since he's so rarely bad on the Syndicate.

He was rarely bad on RYM as well. It's weird, it's like the universe knows to put one of its top scum hunters on town.

sprityo wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:Man, this vote minimum thing, and the time we have left. I feel somewhat confident voting sig, but not as confident as voting Long Con.
It provides pressure, makes it so no one gets lynched with a small amount of town voting for them

Oh, don't get me wrong, it's a great idea! I'm just not used to it, and am feeling the effect of the pressure, that's all. No worries!

Golden wrote:I have to say, for me the most bothersome thing about remaining on sig is that Jay is also on it.

Jay isn't returning today, though, he made that clear.

Do you suspect him? I've been focusing on other players; I thought you guys were just in disagreement on certain things.

Man, this vote minimum thing, and the time we have left. I feel somewhat confident voting sig, but not as confident as voting Long Con.

Golden wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I'm going to vote before I forget. I'm trusting the people...Dyslexicon.

I think the more appropriate reaction is

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Anyone read my ISO of Long Con? Comments? Concerns? Questions?

I'm not saying it's scummy, necessarily. I just don't know if you truly have it or of you're Spartacus-ing. Though sig seemed to have ascribed scumminess to you for doing this, I felt it necessary to qualify my statement that he's suspicious by saying his questioning of you at least had merit.

Tl;dr: I think he might be scum, I don't think you're scum at the moment, but I can't figure out if you really have the map.

linki: NUH-UH, YOU GUYS ARE

(I mistagged my OT item. You'll get it. Sorry.)

I don't like the imbalance between the INH case and the Dys case. And the wishy-washiness of the latter. There are some posts that read like generating nothing-content, like asking questions that he knows the answer to.

ISOing Long Con right now. He's the most active player who has caught my eye a couple times. Some items have already been addressed, and I know that; I'm just compiling them.

Also, I'm on my phone, so I'm sorry for lack of quotes; that's more work for you. I'll list things in chronological order though.

1. He claimed to have the map. He followed this claim with a suggestion that we go to Candy Mountain, so the claim might be a joke. Or it's an I Am Spartacus move.

2. INH points out that the three map-claimers (at the time) all wanted different directions, and said that's a problem. LC said, 'You're inventing a problem where there isn't one,' then voted for INH. Huh. Overreactive.

3. Elaborates on INH vote by saying Spartacus-ing map-claims is a town thing to do, because it covers for the real map-holder. Odd that he doesn't take into account the benefit a scum would have in map-claiming.

4. After some folks explain why INH's worries were valid, he says that the Dys slip is much more 'juicy'. Possible attempt to redirect conversation. In the same post he says the INH vote was just a pressure-vote. I'm struggling to see why a pressure-vote was needed there.

5. When Jay pointed this out, LC pointed to game meta and basically said, 'I thought pressure-votes were what we were doing, oh well.'

6. All in one post: snarks at INH, throws shade at Jay for laying off of Golden, asks Dys if we should move on from being suspicious of Dys. That Dys item hurts my brain. LC must be pretty confident that Dys is town if he's asking DYS if we should stop grilling them about it.

7. And then votes Dys.

8. And then tells Dys that they're not actually scum hunting. When Dys says that they are, LC says, 'Well, yeah, your other posts do.'

8.5. CALLS ME STONEHENGE, EXCUSE YOU[/i]

9. Asks the map-holders if we should trust them. Map-holder or not, a map-claimer is going to say yes to that question.

Gah. sig is suspicious, but Golden's flip flop on the map-having is a big ol' Costco-size box of WIFOM.

I was just looking at sig because of Jay's vote, and sig also said he has the map. But then his only game-related posts have been about Golden's flip flop, and sig's language in that case suggests that sig doesn't have it.

I'm confused.

Dang it, I haven't given any thought to the direction. Who has the map? Or is claiming to?

speedchuck, is your only reason for voting for me because you think I was wrong about Dys? Or do you have something else?

Unvote.

Upon catching up, I'm liking Dys's responses, and have truly reconsidered the realslip thing as poppycock. What's our time on the deadline? I haven't had much time to really slam down on this game...

OH MY GOD THERE'S A SIRENGIF BUTTON I LOVE IT I WILL NOW DIE HAPPY

My previous post hidden in spoiler box to shorten post.
My responses to Dys in bold.

Dyslexicon wrote:
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Strawhenge wrote:Response to Dyslexicon:

1. I flagged you but didn't vote for the same reason Jay did: to wait for your response. I did mention this, but kind of in the second degree because I was advising someone not to pile votes on you until you responded.

2. Unless the marmot has actual reason to suspect me, I wouldn't read into his vote for me too deeply. He and I have history: in the Talking Heads game I tunneled him hard out of desperation and game-fatigue. He owes me many, many lynch votes. That is, unless he has actual reasons to vote for me pertaining to this game.

3. Mentioning my paranoia was a fluff post, and not at all sincere. I haven't played Mafia in...like, a year? More? That was just me saying it was good to be back.

4. Brusquely saying, 'No,' to my posts without explanation felt almost like you were trying to alienate me or something, because I've played only one game here before. I was taking it personally, I'm disregarding it now, never mind.

5. Most importantly: your response to the 'slip'. Your initial responses read as aloof, as if to laughingly blame us for misreading an obvious and dumb mistake. You insisted that you weren't dumb enough to make such a mistake--something backed up by Jay, who said that not even most beginners would slip such information.

But as Jay also said, even vets mistakes. Egregious ones. I've done it. Jay's done it. Most vets I've played with have done it. I think that the true mistake is not so much in your original slip but the manner in which you responded to it. First aloofness, and then explaining yourself.

Also, citing other games and saying, 'But look at my meta! See? I've done this before!' is a classic scum move.

Vote Dyslexicon
1. Will look back at it. Here it is.
2. I didn't mention Marmot voting you. Any particular reason you bring this up? Yes you did. Bottom of this post.
3. It was not sincere? Why would you make an insincere post about you being paranoid as town? Can you expand a bit on this point? Obviously it did stand out to me Day 0. Because mafia is about paranoia? And as town one is paranoid because you don't know who to trust? And as scum you're paranoid about being found?
4. I'm sorry if you took it personally. Nothing I write in games is meant to be personal, it's all within the game. I've also only played one game here.
5. I don't think I said all those things, and I'm not trying to blame anyone. I was surprised by the gravity of suspicion, but it was interesting. Jay is actually saying something entirely different than you about the situation. I find it very hard to see how you can't understand that it was done on purpose. Do you actually believe I just happened to have my most recent game doing the exact same thing? You are picking out individual parts to form your suspicion on me, but the whole picture does not make sense. I'm obviously biased, as I'm me, but an argument of me being scum making an elaborate play of pretending to be town fake slipping would make much more sense to me, personally, than what you are arguing. After thinking about this the past few hours at work, I realized my theory made less and less sense as I applied it. I was wrong about it being an outright slip. However, I started thinking about what someone (I forget who) said about your goal being to start a discussion. And now I'm concerned.

Making a fakeslip was going to get a lot of attention, regardless. I want to know WHY you wanted all attention on this situation. Shifting all attention onto one person on a Day 1 seems counterproductive.

I also want to hear about other reads you have. Does anyone in this game seem town to you? Golden and Silver (ha...) seem the most town to me. Long Con has made some weird posts that I want to look into if I get the time tonight. Having played with TownJay and ScumJay and observing that there is very little difference, I wait until he starts delivering scum to the gallows before trusting him. So jury's out on Jay. Quin seems okay. Nutella also.

Honestly your thing happened when I had the most time to devote to the game, so I've only been focusing on that.

speedchuck wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:And the game he said it in had information in the OP of how many scum there were.
*runs off to investigate*
Strawhenge I don't see it, please help.
Discrepancy between number of player pairs and role powers. It's 6, and I tried to find where there might have been a scum caught, but that website is awful to navigate and I hate it and it's bad.

It's not concrete, but there's some information. Unless I'm massively misunderstanding it.
And so it just happens that he was right that game, based on dubious info.
It just happens that the other game has the same number of scum that he suggested this game.
It just happens that he slips with the exact same thing he said just a month ago, for similar reason.
It just happens that he remembered the other post, even though this one was an accident (which would leave the two posts with no correlation in his mind. Do you remember every post in this topic that you've made? That other game was longer.)

I don't believe in the power of coincidence quite that much. Though 5 is probably a good number of scum (for one team, anyway) in this game. Probably.

Then why the aloofness? Why not say it was a fake slip right away when people started voting and calling it out?

Bottom line is, Dizzy had some reason to make a claim in that game. Not as much here.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:And the game he said it in had information in the OP of how many scum there were.
*runs off to investigate*
Strawhenge I don't see it, please help.

Discrepancy between number of player pairs and role powers. It's 6, and I tried to find where there might have been a scum caught, but that website is awful to navigate and I hate it and it's bad.

It's not concrete, but there's some information. Unless I'm massively misunderstanding it.

@Jay: I believe he made a mistake here, yes.

And the game he said it in had information in the OP of how many scum there were. So, what I think happened is that Dyslexicon slipped, remembered a very recent time that he made that claim, and pointed to it as meta.

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