The Syndicate

You scold Matt for "trying to get people modkilled," but J3's actions had been interpreted similarly. Asking the mods to clarify espers' status the moment he goes over 72 hours without posting could be seen as a more tactful way to achieve the same end.

Bullzeye what do you think of J3's questions to the mods regarding espers?

Thanks MM, but there are flaws with that as well. I lack, as J3 has said, a sense of urgency. If I'm committing myself to remain calm then I have to deaden the importance of the situation, and controlled panic can be a good thing.

Sorry about that earlier J3, I forgot to add the actual statement. If you had to be stranded on the moon with three people from this game, which three would you take to avoid getting stabbed in the back?

I'm glad that I'm a reassuring presence, MM. Somewhat confused as to how, but glad nonetheless.

Heads up J3.

I do. I assume that I know you better than anyone else here, and I don't want to make any false assumptions about you. I did make assumptions before day 3, and it was fun, but to be honest since then I've been hung up on day 2. I just noticed that you use the word conclusions. Why is this? Have you game solved already? Should the game have been already solved by others?

You know me better than anyone else here, true, but because of that you should have something to work with. I use the word conclusions to imply a process. An example below:

Player X has been posting strangely (observation)
Is it likely that Player X Mafia? (question)
Exhibit A, B, etc (evidence)
It is likely that Player X is Mafia (conclusion)

You know this.

DrWilgy wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:I'm exempt from your lists? That's a nice way of saying that you're intending to push me later without being held accountable for an opinion now. Thanks for the response.

Lol, you got me!

No, the player you subbed for just missed votes, so I don't have the intel to properly judge your actions and interactions.

I've been here, voting and talking. You require more than that to reach some form of basic conclusion? Did you not make any initial conclusions on the other players until Day 3?

I'm exempt from your lists? That's a nice way of saying that you're intending to push me later without being held accountable for an opinion now. Thanks for the response.

DrWilgy wrote:JJJ is probably scum. Only 55% sure though.

Probably scum? What does that make me? If he's probably scum, and he thinks I'm clean, explain the most likely outcome to me.

I'd be willing to shoot a vote his way, Wilgy. What do you think of J3? Scum, town, neutral, etc.

Fair enough splints. You do you. If you don't have faith that repeated asking gets answers I can fetch some examples from here, but it's a moot point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:J3, gun to your head LYLO, would you lynch me or motel room?

If I literally had seconds to decide, probably motel room. I don't read either of you as scummy right now though.

Thanks for answering my strange questions, both now and in the future.

Of course. I like answering questions.

What have you learned about me and anyone else from your questions so far?

I learned that you have confidence in me. Whether that's faux, I don't know. You either think you can play me as scum or think I can help you scumhunt as civilian.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:J3, gun to your head LYLO, would you lynch me or motel room?

If I literally had seconds to decide, probably motel room. I don't read either of you as scummy right now though.

Thanks for answering my strange questions, both now and in the future.

Bullzeye wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:J3 do you find town boring?

Splints the first engagement I had in thread was someone trying to insinuate that I was Mafia. I'm not going to pity you for biting off more than you can chew when you signed up to be a sub or for nobody answerinf a question you asked once. Don't just ask once then get annoyed, ask again, ask until everyone gets so sick of seeing the question that they answer it just to make you stop.

Is there something wrong with finding town boring?

J3's actions aren't those of a bored player, would you agree? ISO'ing every player re: Long Con isn't something you do "just because you have time."

J3, gun to your head LYLO, would you lynch me or motel room?

J3 do you find town boring?

Splints the first engagement I had in thread was someone trying to insinuate that I was Mafia. I'm not going to pity you for biting off more than you can chew when you signed up to be a sub or for nobody answerinf a question you asked once. Don't just ask once then get annoyed, ask again, ask until everyone gets so sick of seeing the question that they answer it just to make you stop.

I'll take you up on your outstretched hand, J3. Maybe espers will finally engage me. Here's hoping.

And the Psycho doesn't kill twice on a night.

I don't know how the RYM forum handles nested quotes, but a lot of the "wall of text" syndrome that's been going on this game has been from people continually quoting each other without properly snipping the quotes. To be fair, sometimes the relevant posts are far back in the quote chain, but it gets ridiculous, especially on mobile.

Also a post got eaten. I agree that drawing the immediate conclusion of "that extra tab increases the likelihood that he is Mafia" is illogical. I have a tab on the first page of any game I'm actively posting in. At the moment I also have two open for the sock game that recently concluded as well. Tab count, similar to post count, does not a Mafia make.

Motel, he already did. He was penalized for non-participation, and in the rules it states that players in that category can't win the game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Are you a member of mafia Jay?

Still the same boring townie I always seem to be. My only proper mafia-aligned games in recent memory were the champs tournament finale and RYM 82.

You find town boring?

I think it's strange. An inconsistency, or a backup plan. It'd be strange for him to play with a backup plan after all he said, however.

The accusation that I don't know what the word inexplicable gives me my answer, so thanks, I suppose. It'll take a while before I'm used to this site.

Oh, the latter J3. Apologies for the mixup.

Epignosis wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:

Epignosis wrote:So my Mafia include Mac, bcornett24, Russtifinko, Black Rock and espers to round it out.

Why aren't I in your Mafia list?

Who are you?

The person who notices that you only list 5 Mafia to "round it out" when supposedly listing the entire remaining Mafia. A team of 7, one being killed, should make 6. But you, for some inexplicable reason, think that there are 5 Mafia remaining.

Epignosis wrote:So my Mafia include Mac, bcornett24, Russtifinko, Black Rock and espers to round it out.

Why aren't I in your Mafia list?

J3, I'd like to argue some points now, if you have the time. I have three topics that I'd prefer to talk about, but if you'd rather talk about something else I'll oblige. I'd like to talk about espers and his allegiance, how valid or accurate my perspective is, or the weather.

When I refer to my perspective, I'm including the Matt F <-> Mac engagement. If I recall correctly you state points that disagreed with me, without explicitly stating disagreement.

On the topic of espers, he was the first to respond to me. He asked why I was concerned about getting lynched, when I had posted that I would still be mostly silent for about two days. He has not responded or otherwise engaged me since.

For what it's worth, I believe that Mac's reaction to Matt F's accusation looks good. Timeline of his responses spoilered below: There's no attempt at any sort of logical defense for roughly half an hour. I believe if he was Mafia then there's a good chance he would've attempted to explain away the accusation, even if with the same response, earlier. He reads chaotic, but not panicked, to me. You others who know him can decide if that's "normal" behavior or not.

Roxy, I'm sorry for your loss. Pets are family too, and it's hard when their time is up.

Mac, the reason I'm frustrated is because I don't see a standard. I don't know what is and isn't allowed, all I know is there are rules about not being an ass. Then I see you calling people jerkwads, idiots, dumbshits, saying someone's penis will shrivel up inside them. I don't care about the language, my home site has zero filter and I honestly prefer it that way. This is infuriating because I'm trying to adhere to these rules that I have no objective measure of while you clearly don't care what comes out of your mouth and have made a game of spouting shit out of boredom. That's why I got fed up with you yesterday.

Sorsha's role card says that she decides the winner Night 4, that it requires some form of input from her on Night 4. I find it extremely unlikely that hosts would allow Sorsha to decide the winner of Night 4 post-mortem and then come into the thread and leave the question at best intentionally vague. I find that scenario would be very strange and more than likely not the case.

Also, J3, I want to engage in a debate with you later tonight about something. Going out for a few hours now, but just a heads up for later.

There's a Little Mac joke in there somewhere but I'm too lazy to find it. Choutas I disagree with your assessment of Mac during Matt F's push for him at the beginning of the day. I'll explain why when I return.

This is an extremely entertaining way of dealing with low participation.

Criticism is not what you posted, Mac.

Mafia that don't kill every night can inherit a killer's powers when that killer dies and can then kill every night? I am apparently unfamiliar with certain trends on this site, including the "must be alive to win" clause present in most games. I don't get it.

If you're going to be an ass then I'll let you deal with your situation. You've convinced me, so you're doing swimmingly so far. Best of luck.

MacDougall wrote:No, I wasn't contradicting myself. I was just calling you all idiots for amusement reasons.

I might make a big post before the end of the day giving a reason why each player in this game is an idiot. Would that be fun?

I can't speak for anyone else, but go ahead and publicly mock me.

MM, counting roles that have secrets it could be a few. Animals, Houses In Motion, Love For Sale, No Compassion, and the Psycho Killer himself. Is talking about a dead player as if they had a specific role against the rules here? If Golden was forced to gibberish for a phase I'd rather not take the risk until I know for sure.

Where has Ricochet run off to, I wonder?

That's a good point MM. There's also something to keep in mind about several roles, there are secret clauses. We don't know every detail of the Psycho Killer's role, and while improbable, I don't think it impossible that there exists some way of "double killing" on a given night.

Mac, the phrase "I trust you idiots will make the right decision" would imply that you think we're right, but unintelligent. If you're going to take this in a joking manner the least you could do is not contradict yourself.

Matt F wrote:If Mac was involved in the challenge, then he's definitely the SK, because Mac's (or whoever the SK is) challenger definitely DID NOT win the Day 4 challenge.

Ya all can do what you wish, but I'm tellin' ya, he's the SK and I think we should lynch him.

So you're saying that Sorsha, Found a Job, targeted Mac and someone else last night. The challenge was something related to "posters" or "memes." So the SK must've been targeted by Sorsha and won the challenge. The poster Mac made stood out to you as a likely challenge. That sounds pretty logical, actually.

Epi, civilian Ninja (if I understand it correctly) is extremely different from a 3rd party Serial Killer. The SK's only concern is reducing numbers and self-preservation, it doesn't bother with allegiance. The civilian Ninja has to win with town, so automatically they should be cautious when killing someone.

I lack "fall backs" this game, Wilgy? Plan B's, of sorts?

Epignosis wrote:Why is the serial killer a priority? It's a Mafia team of seven total.

In a perfect world where we know exactly who the SK is we should lynch that player over Mafia. By lynching the SK we remove one kill per night, by lynching a Mafia, assuming that's the last member, we remove one kill every other night. While it isn't necessarily feasible to isolate SK behavior from town or Mafia behavior, lynching the SK would reward us more than lynching a Mafia.

Matt, I'm not quite following you. You say that specifically because you underlined the word "job" MacDougall believed you to be the role "Found a Job" and backed off? Do you think that's more likely than Mac backing off simply because he was being ridiculously aggressive?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:snip

I have not read the entire thread, and at this moment do not intend to unless asked to. I read through where my first post was up, and I very loosely skimmed the early pages of the game until I got to that post. I saw you were still alive, so I figured that was as good a place to start as any. Apologies if that sounds lazy, especially compared to the amount of work you put in to ISO every player with regards to Long Con, but I'd rather spend that time with current events.

As for calling attention to myself, if you'll take an obviously biased answer, it's a defense mechanism. By getting people to acknowledge me and converse either with or about me it becomes harder to misinterpret things I say, intentionally or otherwise, or for a wagon to form on me without the thread's opinions on me already known. If Wilgy, for instance, were to say on Day 3 that he thought I was neutral-townish then if he was calling for my head on Day 4, without any evidence specifically from Day 4, then that points to ulterior motives. It also serves to marginally dissuade the Mafia from night killing mes, as there'd be a good amount of information to draw from after I flip. Also I loathe being ignored, so the easiest way to avoid that is to make odd requests such as "would you ISO me?" or ask other players what they think of my allegiance.

I don't have an aptitude for catching things I'm not already looking at. You unnerve me, so I'm not going to take my eye off you. I'm focused on bcornett for a similar reason, although there are differences. I'm a symbiotic player, I work best playing off someone else, so I want to believe you're town because we could , but I've fallen in that hole before so I'm remaining cautious. As for bcornett, it's a similar kind of gut read, I see some kind of nervousness or tension in his posts that makes me hesitate. Similarly to you, I'd prefer to keep playing to my strengths, but if you want me to expand my view I can try.

Ooh, pick me!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:He frequently says "I am most definitely not a doctor" and "I am most definitely a doctor" interchangeably.

You are most definitely incorrect.

You are most definitely correct.

What do you think about DrWilgy making interchangeable reverse statements?

The "interchangeable reverse statements" only include those fluff "I am most definitely (not) a doctor" so I don't care about them either way. I don't care what his fun fluff looks like, it's fun fluff and irrelevant.

He frequently says "I am most definitely not a doctor" and "I am most definitely a doctor" interchangeably.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:Mac, if you're confident all three are bad vote J3 with me.

By the way J3 I'm voting for you.

Can a man get a reason?

My home site, Jesus Toast Mafia, is named after a term we coined "Jesus Toast." It's seeing Christ on rye, so to speak, some big conspiracy that ties everything up in a neat little bow when there's really nothing there.

That's what I'm seeing with you. You're holding to your Long Con analyses, which are good sources of information, but seem to be almost ignoring new, relevant information. You're quick to call people town, which on its own isn't a bad thing, but it's off-putting for some reason I can't put my finger on. You play the cooperative townie, not confrontational but prodding with just enough frequency to get responses.

I know there's no fair defense to what mostly amounts to a gut feeling, and I apologize for that.

I'm not ignoring any new information, but you're right that I have focused a lot on my own workload. I didn't do all those analyses because I was bored, I did them because it allowed me to make substantive reads on nearly every player. I'm quite sure I wasn't right about everything, but I am confident enough in my skillset that I will trust my work until given a reason not to.

I think you need to reassess me though if you think I've been "not confrontational". I might not sound like a hyper-aggressive player because of the language I employ, but I have directly confronted so many people in this game on just about everything. I am highly confrontational.

"not confrontational" was admittedly a poor choice of words. I'm used to "confrontational" being equivalent to "tunneling on someone until they crack." Your tone is also less aggressive, almost sing-songy, than I usually equate with aggression, if that makes sense.

A general apology to Syndicate players if I incorrectly assume something of their habits or posting style. My first game with the vast majority of Syndicate players was a sock game, so it'll take a while before I get used to everybody.

I'm glad I've evoked a chuckle. I aim to please.

Where exactly did bcornett go?

Also Mac, if you're offering to step up your game if I state lynching intent then by all means you're my top suspect.

seaside wrote:What does everyone think of jjj, diiny and espers?

J3:

Diiny:

Espers:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:Mac, if you're confident all three are bad vote J3 with me.

By the way J3 I'm voting for you.

Can a man get a reason?

My home site, Jesus Toast Mafia, is named after a term we coined "Jesus Toast." It's seeing Christ on rye, so to speak, some big conspiracy that ties everything up in a neat little bow when there's really nothing there.

That's what I'm seeing with you. You're holding to your Long Con analyses, which are good sources of information, but seem to be almost ignoring new, relevant information. You're quick to call people town, which on its own isn't a bad thing, but it's off-putting for some reason I can't put my finger on. You play the cooperative townie, not confrontational but prodding with just enough frequency to get responses.

I know there's no fair defense to what mostly amounts to a gut feeling, and I apologize for that.

Mac, if you're confident all three are bad vote J3 with me.

By the way J3 I'm voting for you.

bcornett24 wrote:
There are like 5 comments were gives people hugs. I tend to have an issue with seeing 1/8th of a persons content being "/hug". I think it makes him suspicious and would probably place him on the lighter side of orange in a revised rainbow.

I will also say I understand how difficult it is to catch up, this thread is massive and has so much content, and it keeps generating more. A lot to remember, and even more to comprehend.

As I previously stated what I gave earlier was mostly gut reads, working on analysis, diiny is up next.

With regard to JJJ:

I agree, having more posts is generally better, but this is not to say that it could not be potentially used to dissuade reads. I am not saying that JJJ is doing this, I am saying that it is possible that he could be. Strategically speaking, it is a great idea, have so many posts that nobody wants to analyze it. I mean he has 7 pages of 50 posts, this is almost 300 posts and it is only day 4.

His quirks in posting don't invalidate his other points. Do you legitimately have a problem with 7/8ths of his contribution just because the other 1/8ths is silly?

That relies on our laziness, and especially in such a large game, is an extremely risky gambit. I'm not saying that posting frequently makes him look good, just that it doesn't make him look bad. Strategically speaking it's a horrible idea, giving the opposing team more evidence to work with when information is our greatest asset.

bcornett, now that you've "just caught up", would you kindly answer the question I've asked you multiple times? Why do you find Wilgy to be "probably scum"?

Sorry to hear life has been dealing you some bad hands. Hope your situation improves.

Yes, Floyd, how much of the thread text have you read?

Floyd, I have a question. How much of the game have you read?

And, to others, Floyd is not a replacement, correct?