The Syndicate

Rules of nature, bitch. The strong survive.

MP's vote is an interesting one, he hardly talks about enrique and has nothing particularly damning about him in the entire day phase let alone EOD but then jumps on the wagon after agreeing with one mac post.

I feel better when I see that he's also considering other options at that time, though, particularly his lil' flip flop on me towards felt organic enough, and I do think enrique was acting sus enough at eod to attract the vote of an undecided player. Still, I don't like that it's just a single reply to a mac post that gets MP on the wagon.

Epignosis wrote:3J put his vote on Enrique first, and then wham bam no thank ya ma'am, Enrique's votes followed.

wilgy at least said he'd be willing to vote for him if anyone else was prior to J's vote, I believe

MacDougall wrote:DrWilgy
JaggedJimmyJay
a2thezebra
MovingPictures07
Enrique
Sorsha
TheFloyd73
FZ.
Epignosis
DFaraday
Diiny
motel room

Enrique on Mac's tally 30 mins before deadline. Gonna look hard at his PH to see whether the swap is justified and would suggest you guys do the same. I wish there was a way to see what the tallies were like at the time of each post

He's on my list of people what need to talk more along with motel and DFaraday, and I'm leaning squm on him. I don't know why more people aren't, to be honest. Jay seemed to be wanting to read him town, I don't know if anyone else got that impression.

I'm gonna take a cheeky glance at the votes for FZ yesterday.

Also, I finally thought of a theory for Wilgy that makes sense in my head. His intention may have been to lure out the real cop, using a fake claim to do so. And it worked in a way. And as much as I'm considering that as a possibility, I must say I still don't understand enrique's stance on wilgy.

What the fuck, what the actual fuck.

I totally agree with Mac teebz. Also this makes your interactions with wilgy hilarious. Uhhhhgm.

Anyway, FZ is probably my top suspect. Floyd not off the hook despite everyone else being so nice.

Wait, can we post at night?

Clenchin' hard.

EBWOP: Enrique

Enrique for SD

11 mins, wilgy, and you have the power to secure a lynch here. You've admitted you were lying about the peek, right? Otherwise your vote has NO buisness being where it is.

MacDougall wrote:I think a push against a Diiny lynch here isn't a great idea. I and others had him as firmly scum well before Wilgy came along being Wilgy.

Oh my god, the game develops.



Enrique, look back. When zebra posted about the paradigm and I got mad, was that bait? Was I baited? Was she expecting someone to criticize her for talking about the paradigm? Was floyd being floyd bait? I appreciate that my interactions with zebra were bad and that it could seem like I didn't know how to react to wilgy. I've explained the latter and it's out of my hands whether you believe that. (that was me letting him have his ruse cruise before deciding that he wasn't doing what I thought he was doing/could have been doing).

I go hard often on day one. It's gotten me lynched as town (see the game I played before last, also it nearly happened in peanuts). I may have fucked up and overindulged in the tenet of antagonistic posting but I can't see the scuminess you're seeing.

Anyway, I was scared MP was gonna drift through this day and that ain't happening.

Thinking about it, FZ reacting the way she did to Wilgy is kinda scummy; she's scared of the cop, mafia doesn't want to get involved with that shit. Especially when it's a red read on a townie.

lol how am I winning this lynch, I honestly think some of you guys are just stubborn

Enrique

Diiny wrote:I want to understand what you think wilgy's plan/particular brand of scumminess is, help me out. Because his plan seems bizarre from any angle, scum or town.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Diiny wrote:Man, MP's day one really is full of nothing. I appreciate that real life can be a bitch but I'll be much happier if there's something substantive before the deadline.

I know; I feel terrible about not being able to play remotely to my full potential. Hopefully Day 2 will be much better, assuming I'm around and not too busy.

I probably should have not signed up and waited until the following game after I was officially done for the semester, I guess.

Real life is always gonna get in the way ;_; I think you should ask yourself how to use this small amount of time to its full extent, though. I think it would help town out if you just got down some stances firmly.

I'd throw Jay in with FZ about be kinda wishy washy with their read on me but he feels a tad more genuine, plus he sounds a lot more like he's defending me at times which makes it less likely that he's bad.

One thing that stood out to me: When analysing floyd, jay said he'd 'take whatever he cool' for a town floyd read. I'd like him to explain this before I comment on it. I know he won't be back before the deadline but it's not THAT pressing.

Man, MP's day one really is full of nothing. I appreciate that real life can be a bitch but I'll be much happier if there's something substantive before the deadline.

I want to understand what you think wilgy's plan/particular brand of scumminess is, help me out. Because his plan seems bizarre from any angle, scum or town.

And I'm really loving the melodrama btw

Here and not here. Enrique, you're certain about wilgy but your vote's on me. We know he's not cop or at least that his read isn't real because there's no such thing.

Show me this motel room post that pinged you out Mac

Mac's day 1 is solid imo. Shame about his stance on me.

I'm gonna find out if me getting a ping from JJJ is just because he isn't posting or not

You want me to explore the stupid town gambit? You're so sure I'm scum that you pretend to be cop with a peek that l i t e r a l l y c a n n o t e x i s t w i t h i n t h e g a m e. Then if I flipped scum the mafia will kill you, sparing the real cop for a night. Or doctor shenanigans. Either way it's stupid because you're condemning a townie to death and if you're town you're not putting yourself in a great position either. Also the mafia can whittle down their list of potential cops by one.

My first response to epi's game so far is that he's coasting, but he does hold some controversial views which makes me feel the opposite like his stance on zeb. Looks more like someone who's reserved and observing day 1 but still engaging and contributing, albeit not through quantity. I'm not sure I understand the Floyd stance; can you explain? Is it literally just because he's not playing, or is it because that makes you think he's scum, if you catch my drift? Is it....... POLICY?? Also whilst objective stuff normally pings me epi was pretty fond of it last game and was town, and apparently that's kinda his style.

wilgy: I never bothered to respond to you because I've already voiced my opinion on your peek bullshit and in doing so said I wouldn't be surprised if you were scum. I told you why I didn't immediately discredit with full force and you seem to acknowledge yet ignore that. Also whilst I knew you were lying I didn't realise that's not how peeks worked until I thought about it for a bit.

EBWOP: scratch that, all he said about floyd was a joke post about him saying he wouldn't be playing mafia. It's weird.

Also I remember seeing an epi post asking why I turned the question back at him; I didn't see that he commented on floyd beforehand and thought it strange that he asked others about him before saying anything himself. Meant to rectify but then I got caught up in a hurricane of zeb.

a2thezebra wrote:

Diiny wrote:FZ's grappling with Wilgy makes sense to me, it's a confusing situation, and FZ strikes me as someone wanting to get to the bottom of it quick. What gives me more pause is her stance on me which isn't very solid. I'd be glad to see someone say I wasn't bad normally, but she seemed to want to stay out of the entire conflict, possibly because she knows I'll flip town if I die but doesn't want the hassle of defending someone a lot of people think is bad. She has some pretty brutal disses in her post history.

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How poetic that my biggest scum read understands the reasoning behind my second biggest scum read better than anyone else.

Wait, this reasoning for your second scum read doesn't even make sense if I'm scum. And you underlined stuff that involved me being town specifically. What's up?

folks, you really need to elaborate why you're voting for me so I can convince you otherwise. Let's start day 1 with a scum lynch.

...don't call me rude, man.

TheFloyd73 wrote:

Diiny wrote:It's clearly an omgus just without my vote on him. I pressure him, he calls me hypocritical (incorrectly) and leaves after, content with flinging his vote onto the only wagon quickly behind the first two votes.

Look at the actual posts, I make a fair analysis of the guy, and if that wasn't fair enough after his vote I explain my stance further. Why did you see why he voted for me? Because I was the wagon and he's looking for an easy place to drop dat vote? Because I totally agree

Excuse me? Am I not permitted to engage in social activities and my essential education?

Stop trying to make it seem like that's my line of reasoning. You're either taking offense for no reason or deliberately misinterpreting what I'm saying. We all have social lives and things to do, Floyd. And yet, here we all are. I'm not even saying I wouldn't be ok with you flat out missing a day because of other shit. This is just a game, after all. But it's how you use the time you're on here (and you were on for a good while) that is telling. The activity you had on that day was nothing. Your vote for me isn't made ANY better by your lack of time. You could've easily told the thread you were busy like a couple of people have done already. But no, you choose to bring it up now without warning in an attempt to besmirch me.

TheFloyd73 wrote:

Diiny wrote: Floyd, say something game relevant please

Because this is surely game relevant.

Diiny wrote:If a tree wins a poll in the forest but nobody is around to hear it, does it get lynched?

Dinny

TheFloyd73 wrote:That is insanely rude of you to suggest I call you hypocritical (which I didn't) and leave.

Maybe you didn't literally say it but that was your reason for voting. Unless it's not, in which case I'm interested as to why you are. Is it because the mechanic that doesn't exist says I'm scum?

I always ruffle a few tail feathers on day 1 but this is ridiculous, unless I'm leading because of wilgy's word which is even more ridiculous

Enrique wrote:

Diiny wrote:Moving to FZ for self prez and that.

Someone tell me why they're voting me when Wilgy is literally just lying and there's no such thing as a non vt peek

Because that doesn't make you good.

Elaborate, pls, are you saying it makes me look bad?

And I wasn't just less sure over time because I had a think about it, the likelihood of it being a ruse I could get behind decreased due to the nature of what I thought it was; a thing where he'll turn around and see if he could get anyone else to hop on and then vilify them or something.

I responded quick, but sensed a townie ruse/gambit that I didn't want to spoil. As time passed I was less sure- much less sure.

Confirmed by a mechanic that d o e s n ' t e x i s t mac?

Moving to FZ for self prez and that.

Someone tell me why they're voting me when Wilgy is literally just lying and there's no such thing as a non vt peek

a2thezebra wrote:

Diiny wrote:FZ's grappling with Wilgy makes sense to me, it's a confusing situation, and FZ strikes me as someone wanting to get to the bottom of it quick. What gives me more pause is her stance on me which isn't very solid. I'd be glad to see someone say I wasn't bad normally, but she seemed to want to stay out of the entire conflict, possibly because she knows I'll flip town if I die but doesn't want the hassle of defending someone a lot of people think is bad. She has some pretty brutal disses in her post history.

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How poetic that my biggest scum read understands the reasoning behind my second biggest scum read better than anyone else.

Pottery

Probably gonna switch to FZ for self preservation soon

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Diiny wrote:It shows he has potential to play differently; to play TOWN FLOYD. I'm not just seeing the same floyd in this game and 90 because that's floyd, it'd be because that's SCUM FLOYD.

That's my confusion. Enrique has suggested Town Floyd was also generally uninvolved and inactive. If that's accurate what would it mean to you?

Less scummy read on floyd, naturally.

FZ's grappling with Wilgy makes sense to me, it's a confusing situation, and FZ strikes me as someone wanting to get to the bottom of it quick. What gives me more pause is her stance on me which isn't very solid. I'd be glad to see someone say I wasn't bad normally, but she seemed to want to stay out of the entire conflict, possibly because she knows I'll flip town if I die but doesn't want the hassle of defending someone a lot of people think is bad. She has some pretty brutal disses in her post history.

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It shows he has potential to play differently; to play TOWN FLOYD. I'm not just seeing the same floyd in this game and 90 because that's floyd, it'd be because that's SCUM FLOYD.

My bad, didn't realise he played in other games. I'm talking about RYM 90. the talking heads game. He only had a few posts there, you should read them and see how remarkably similar his game is now.

He may have been good on those games. In fact I'd feel worse about him if he was.

linki J: I'd really like to do more than metagame read him but there's literally nothing else to work with. He's a bad read whether I/you like it or not. I can't tell my gut he's not bad without feeding him content. he howls; starving.

linki J again you said you weren't posting as much ergo you're scum

a2thezebra wrote:

Diiny wrote:It's clearly an omgus just without my vote on him. I pressure him, he calls me hypocritical (incorrectly) and leaves after, content with flinging his vote onto the only wagon quickly behind the first two votes.

Look at the actual posts, I make a fair analysis of the guy, and if that wasn't fair enough after his vote I explain my stance further. Why did you see why he voted for me? Because I was the wagon and he's looking for an easy place to drop dat vote? Because I totally agree

You really think you were a wagon at that point? Wow.

How was I not? Get out of here. I really hoping you're prodding right now or something. He dumped his vote quickly after the first two votes on the only person with votes for a shitty non-reason and you're telling me it's not bad because you don't want to call it a wagon?


linki about J being scum because he's not posting funny joke etc

Enrique wrote:

Diiny wrote:Did you see floyd last game? Identical, nay, even less content per game hour. Also note how he completely doesn't actually engage with my post and omgusses me hard

I did. What's your point?

Floyd was scum last game. He is behaving exactly as he did last game. He's doing scummy things.

Should I tell my gut to stop screaming scum for no particular reason? guy hasn't made me feel good about him even after I gave him an opportunity, just used it as a reason to vote on the biggest wagon and run.

It's clearly an omgus just without my vote on him. I pressure him, he calls me hypocritical (incorrectly) and leaves after, content with flinging his vote onto the only wagon quickly behind the first two votes.

Look at the actual posts, I make a fair analysis of the guy, and if that wasn't fair enough after his vote I explain my stance further. Why did you see why he voted for me? Because I was the wagon and he's looking for an easy place to drop dat vote? Because I totally agree

Did you see floyd last game? Identical, nay, even less content per game hour. Also note how he completely doesn't actually engage with my post and omgusses me hard

me? I wish I didn't but yeah my gut will scream bad until he plays mafia

FZ. wrote:I have no idea what the hell Diiny wants from zebra. At some point, I lost interest in that conversation. I'm not sure I find Diiny suspicious for that, but this whole Wilgy Diiny craziness is interesting.

Can I clear this up because apparently what I was saying wasn't getting through to anyone let alone zebra. This might've been late night diin in action, but my points should still stand out.

I was mindlessly prodding zebra. I was first by saying she was attempting to prove her own civniness right off the bat with a pointless vanilla civ claim and a post about irrelevant game mechanics. The reasoning she gave (I thought for that specific post), however, didn't seem right to me; she said she was trying to raise the temperature. I got real pinged by that response because talking about what paradigm we're in really, really doesn't turn the temperature up. I think the discussion descended into confusion at that point.

I genuinely don't see what problem ANYONE has with this, unless their problems are not with this and I'm missing something. But I want to get this sorted out now. Continuing FZ look

Tabs. Multiple tabs. More than one tab. Tabs.

motel room wrote:

Diiny wrote:Essay over, feeling GOOD. NO STRESS. let's GO, boys. I haven't read the thread. Ask me questions. throw your shit. Because you're not lynching me and wilgy's lying

Why would he be lying?

To get me killed. I don't know how he'll squirm or WIFOM his way out of it. Doing such an obvious bad move could honestly get people to think it was too obvious for him to be scum in the scenario where I flip town tonight.

That or this is some really stupid town gambit and it's not helping in the slightest.