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by MacDougall
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:52 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Seanzie wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:52 pm
lucy wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:29 pm i am oracle, i have no idea why i'm facing so much opposition, what do you guys think about me being openly opposed and not listened to?

is it towny? is it scummy? what purpose does it serve?
I think any one person, even an IC, trying to take the reins of the game into their own hands is extremely bad for threadhealth, wagonomics, and in general gameplay. It creates a gamestate that is extremely easy for wolves to work around and that limits all the townies abilities to do their things.

It is towny to be opposed to a bad strategy. The purpose opposing it serves is to hopefully convince you to realize that what you're asking of the thread is IMO a bad way to play the game that does more harm than good.
stop posting cringe you're making me wish I was blind
by MacDougall
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:53 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:49 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:48 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:46 pm D1

Alison: 6
falcon45ca
fingersplints
Jackofhearts2005
Neon
Roxy
sig

Day 2

Alison
6
40%
Voters: falcon45ca, Neon, Jackofhearts2005, tutuu, sig, Dennis

I wish to kill sig and Falcon badly.
What does your solve look like when I flip town?



And I will. Bank it.
For someone who has demonstrably hard wolfsided you seem insistent on continuing to do so.
Blah blah blah, I'm all for pressuring Roxy and Jack. If you don't like that I find Sig towny, that's fine...we don't all have to share the same reads ya know.


[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine
I didn't even know you did or care. I only care that your read on me is pure garbage.
by MacDougall
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:53 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
Replies: 4390
Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:51 pm all of u can suck my balls
Present them
LOL
by MacDougall
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:55 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

MacDougall wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:48 pm Kill Sig
Kill Falcon
Kill Jack
Kill Wilgy
Kill Sabi
Kill Porscha
After Roxy. Kill all of these.
by MacDougall
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:55 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
Replies: 4390
Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:53 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:49 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:48 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:46 pm D1

Alison: 6
falcon45ca
fingersplints
Jackofhearts2005
Neon
Roxy
sig

Day 2

Alison
6
40%
Voters: falcon45ca, Neon, Jackofhearts2005, tutuu, sig, Dennis

I wish to kill sig and Falcon badly.
What does your solve look like when I flip town?



And I will. Bank it.
For someone who has demonstrably hard wolfsided you seem insistent on continuing to do so.
Blah blah blah, I'm all for pressuring Roxy and Jack. If you don't like that I find Sig towny, that's fine...we don't all have to share the same reads ya know.


[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine
I didn't even know you did or care. I only care that your read on me is pure garbage.
Right back at ya. Now that we agree we both think the other is Maf, let's go find some other ones
I asked you what your worldview looks like with me as town before you did you mountain of mildew
by MacDougall
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:56 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Rondo is also still sus.
by MacDougall
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:57 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Baudib neon is a dead town
by MacDougall
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:58 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

@falcon45ca @Seanzie

issue with killing Roxy, Sabi and Wilgy yay or nay?
by MacDougall
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:59 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
Replies: 4390
Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Sorry about my outrage earlier I tried to use humour to calm the storm that entered my mind and I'm not sure how well it worked.
by MacDougall
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:59 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
Replies: 4390
Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Seanzie is definitely town if anyone was doubting that. I can tell because I wish I wasn't playing this game.
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:15 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 11:10 pm
Seanzie wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 11:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:52 pm
Seanzie wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:52 pm
lucy wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:29 pm i am oracle, i have no idea why i'm facing so much opposition, what do you guys think about me being openly opposed and not listened to?

is it towny? is it scummy? what purpose does it serve?
I think any one person, even an IC, trying to take the reins of the game into their own hands is extremely bad for threadhealth, wagonomics, and in general gameplay. It creates a gamestate that is extremely easy for wolves to work around and that limits all the townies abilities to do their things.

It is towny to be opposed to a bad strategy. The purpose opposing it serves is to hopefully convince you to realize that what you're asking of the thread is IMO a bad way to play the game that does more harm than good.
stop posting cringe you're making me wish I was blind
Why are you deliberately trying to destroy threadhealth right now?
Well, I can think of one reason
I am town.

I was in lockstep with Baudib1 and Alison on most matters.

I am clearly town.

Desist throwing immediately.
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:43 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
Replies: 4390
Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

I just do not got the patience
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:44 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
Replies: 4390
Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Seanzie wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:35 am I really think this game makes a lot more sense if Mac is wolf, and I hope y'all wake up to the fact that if your PoE is all people who are kinda polarized, that doesn't really fit with how the game has gone.
Go ahead and remove another town who was reading the game the same way as the other dead town that will surely end well
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:47 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
Replies: 4390
Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

falcon45ca wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:36 am
Seanzie wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:35 am I really think this game makes a lot more sense if Mac is wolf, and I hope y'all wake up to the fact that if your PoE is all people who are kinda polarized, that doesn't really fit with how the game has gone.
Fuck yes it does.
Okay so I'm mafia who ... decided to force create a wagon on the least threatening town on day 1 in ah attempt to save my biggest threat.

This is your idea of "makes sense"?

How about...

"Some derpy town decided Alison was mafia and then the mafia capitalised on it. Then Mac tried to push his wolfread as the counter and was wrong. Then Mac tinfoiled day 2 for about 30 mins and then the mafia killed Alison while they had a chance after Mac stopped tinfoiling."

One of these is the literal demonstrable reality we live in.
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:50 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
Replies: 4390
Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

falcon45ca wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:46 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:43 am I just do not got the patience
Would you like a juice box? Perhaps some string cheese?



I guess I could see this perspective best if you had some pelts...otherwise it feels like you're either scum or just as fallible as the rest of us
I have had exactly one of my reads flip so far. There have been TWO eliminations, one of which was a counterwagon I created to prevent Alison dying and the other Alison being snap mech killed opportunistically.

AND YOU THOUGHT MY FS PUSH WAS FINE. YOU SAID AS MUCH.

So my one chance at getting a pelt, was fine in your eyes, saved a strong town... but that's rationally a reason for you to suspect me?

You are just a wolf man. You have to be or you're just playing beyond poorly.
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:51 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

tutuu wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:48 am
Seanzie wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:45 am
tutuu wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:39 am
Seanzie wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:35 am I really think this game makes a lot more sense if Mac is wolf, and I hope y'all wake up to the fact that if your PoE is all people who are kinda polarized, that doesn't really fit with how the game has gone.
this is essentially day 2

we have had 1 chop on a slanker - finger. the other chops were artificial

and zero meaningful night kills - no n1, and randed n2

if this was a natural mafia game and mac was alive for so long - day 3, with no dead wolves - sure

but this isnt a natural game, iss a role madness with crazy stuff impacting flips, take it into account plx

our numbers are bad coz i think the setup is a tad scumsided (we might lose 2 chops to godfather immunity and a 1-shot chop-prevention card) and/or we suck but this is still the early game
It isn't just about numbers. Mac has almost exclusively gone after LHF in wolfy ways and our ship has felt rudderless, even through most of D1.

The fact that Mac is trying to pretend like he doesn't have blood on his hands from the Alison wagon also looks bad IMO. If town!Mac just didn't realize the moon card would have been played and not realized how his D2 play would be taken advantage of, I think he'd own up to it and move on. Instead when I've pushed him about it, he pretends like it didn't happen and doesn't engage with the idea.

He's also tried to deflect me in ways that remind me of how he deflected me in GoC2021.
mac was truthful in saying he wanted to kill alison d1, he just ended up on finger

most of the game were LHF

he doesnt wanna agree he has blood on his hands coz people dont like being told they did badly

"f town!Mac just didn't realize the moon card would have been played and not realized how his D2 play would be taken advantage of" - this is on all of us not just him. alison herself agreed that she should die

i think what id call this buttheading between u and him a battle of egos: see alison vs neon circa day 1
What are you even saying? I didn't want Alison to die day 1? That's demonstrably false. I am the one who made the counterwagon.
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:52 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

I cannot operate as town under the conditions that the only discussion point is brutally illogical scumreads on me.

I suggest other town in this game either make the decision to kill me or
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:53 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

MacDougall wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:52 am I cannot operate as town under the conditions that the only discussion point is brutally illogical scumreads on me.

I suggest other town in this game either make the decision to kill me or

Step up cuz I'm compromised by the gamestate and my emotional reaction to it atm.
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:58 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:55 am Oi Mac. Tell me who I should scumread besides Roxy and Creature.
I don't scumread Creature. I town read Creature.

Wilgy and Roxy are currently my top scum. I want to scumread Falcon and Seanzie but they have too much conviction and I'm trying to suppress my desire to omgus. Seanzie is theory crafting and has invented a false reality he's confirmation biased by that ignores the fact that not only did my Fingersplints counterwagon save Alison but also Baudib1.

Sig, Sabi and Porscha also need scrutiny.
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 2:00 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Seanzie wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:57 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:53 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:52 am I cannot operate as town under the conditions that the only discussion point is brutally illogical scumreads on me.

I suggest other town in this game either make the decision to kill me or

Step up cuz I'm compromised by the gamestate and my emotional reaction to it atm.
There is nothing illogical about pushing a strong player who had a big impact on two town flips, and who has seemingly deliberately responded to me in ways that I can only think of as being designed to destroy my WIM.
I am sorry but you've frustrated me a great deal. You do realise that not all negative emotions are fake right? Unless you think I'm an emotionally stable person and malding is out of my townrange that's pure confirmation bias.
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 2:05 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
Replies: 4390
Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

falcon45ca wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:59 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:50 am
falcon45ca wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:46 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:43 am I just do not got the patience
Would you like a juice box? Perhaps some string cheese?



I guess I could see this perspective best if you had some pelts...otherwise it feels like you're either scum or just as fallible as the rest of us
I have had exactly one of my reads flip so far. There have been TWO eliminations, one of which was a counterwagon I created to prevent Alison dying and the other Alison being snap mech killed opportunistically.

AND YOU THOUGHT MY FS PUSH WAS FINE. YOU SAID AS MUCH.

So my one chance at getting a pelt, was fine in your eyes, saved a strong town... but that's rationally a reason for you to suspect me?

You are just a wolf man. You have to be or you're just playing beyond poorly.
I did see merit in your fingers push...don't you think that many and most Maf pushes on town do have some merit? You know they do.


I mean, you're acting as tho you have this game solved or something. You're wrong on my slot.


You can think I'm playing poorly, but the numbers show that really it's not like you're doing much better. So, if you're town, then let's work on some shit.


I'd like Roxy, Rondo, Jack as main wagons today. What say you?
My comment on your play has only to do with the fact that you are making reads like "I'd townread you if you had pelts" when I've had exactly one chop that you were supportive of and saved two strong town.

Seanzie being suspicious of me for day 2 is like... reasonable because I played silly.
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 2:06 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
Replies: 4390
Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Dennis wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 2:03 am Can someone please explain to me the concept of a 'perspective slip' so I can understand that one Mac post from before better

Like what perspective is slipping? The perspective of a wolf v town or... what
I was implying that Falcon forgot he wasn't supposed to know my alignment because he suddenly criticised my ability to read me which implied he knew I was town.
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 2:09 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Seanzie wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 2:08 am
Dennis wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 2:03 am Can someone please explain to me the concept of a 'perspective slip' so I can understand that one Mac post from before better

Like what perspective is slipping? The perspective of a wolf v town or... what
It was not a perspective slip IMO.

A perspective slip is a pretty broad term, but it is based on the idea that mafia need to fake the perspective of a townie, but sometimes slip up and it is clear that they are coming from a created hypothetical perspective rather than a true town perspective.
If Falcon is mafia was it a perspective slip?
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:28 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

staypositivefriend wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:56 am cant sleep and wanted to share the stray thought that out of all the people who have pushed/shaded mac, seanzie is the towniest of them. his read on mac has a level of specificity (ie: him comparing mac to his wolfgame in GoC, him accusing mac of trying to destroy his WIM, him accusing mac of sharing responsibility for the alison wagon) that make me think he is putting real thought into mac's alignment, and the way he has kind of dug in his heels on his mac read upon being pressured makes me think that the conviction behind his real is real

i think a world where seanzie is a wolf pushing on mac only really makes sense to me if the rest of his team is cornered and he doesn't have many other viable options, but even in that world, i would expect seanzie to be a little bit more strategic about the way that he's pushing mac instead of just loudly insisting he's mafia in the most brazen way possible

i have no idea what seanzie's wolf meta is like so im open to other thoughts but yeah
and why is he not just correct?

btw porscha is lock town now
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:29 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:00 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Watch my next trick as I townread Rondo and he suspects me for that.
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:09 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:04 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:00 am Watch my next trick as I townread Rondo and he suspects me for that.
Honestly I think youve been town reading me the whole time and you just have been trying to bait and I have been happy to play the victim but I wasnt sure if you were crossing into wolf territory.
No you are just the person I consider most likely to be mafia if my gamestate appraisal is wrong to a problematic degree.

I don't townread you so much as understand you are town in my prime universe lol.
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:02 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

@falcon45ca tell me more about your tutuu read please
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:22 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:09 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:02 am @falcon45ca tell me more about your tutuu read please
just so we are clear. You know you are fucked tomorrow if we dont hit Mafia right?
Do you mean if we don't hit mafia you're going to policy miselim me? That'd be pretty dumb.
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:25 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:52 am
tutuu wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:44 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:23 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:22 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:09 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:02 am @falcon45ca tell me more about your tutuu read please
just so we are clear. You know you are fucked tomorrow if we dont hit Mafia right?
Do you mean if we don't hit mafia you're going to policy miselim me? That'd be pretty dumb.
negative, you and I know what its about and the fact that you said it would be pretty dumb is not the reaction I expected from town mac
Was the reaction you expected

"Sure, if we don't mafia, I should get chopped. It is understandable why you all suspect me. I am MacDougall, Mafia God, Werewolf Prodigy, and I have failed you. You trusted me, and I failed you. I deserve to die. It is my fault. Everything is my fault - even baudib's death - I caused that. Please punish me. I hope that next game I will perform better towards everyone's expectations."
No, something similar to that though. He knows what I am talking about.
Honestly I don't have the faintest.

Goodnight.
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:10 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

[VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine
by MacDougall
Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:28 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Seanzie wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:45 am
tutuu wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:39 am
Seanzie wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:35 am I really think this game makes a lot more sense if Mac is wolf, and I hope y'all wake up to the fact that if your PoE is all people who are kinda polarized, that doesn't really fit with how the game has gone.
this is essentially day 2

we have had 1 chop on a slanker - finger. the other chops were artificial

and zero meaningful night kills - no n1, and randed n2

if this was a natural mafia game and mac was alive for so long - day 3, with no dead wolves - sure

but this isnt a natural game, iss a role madness with crazy stuff impacting flips, take it into account plx

our numbers are bad coz i think the setup is a tad scumsided (we might lose 2 chops to godfather immunity and a 1-shot chop-prevention card) and/or we suck but this is still the early game
It isn't just about numbers. Mac has almost exclusively gone after LHF in wolfy ways and our ship has felt rudderless, even through most of D1.

The fact that Mac is trying to pretend like he doesn't have blood on his hands from the Alison wagon also looks bad IMO. If town!Mac just didn't realize the moon card would have been played and not realized how his D2 play would be taken advantage of, I think he'd own up to it and move on. Instead when I've pushed him about it, he pretends like it didn't happen and doesn't engage with the idea.

He's also tried to deflect me in ways that remind me of how he deflected me in GoC2021.
I have gone after the scummy players in this game. The same players that the town such as Alison, Baudib1 and probably Bereft have. Your obsession with the idea that they are LHF is weird. Who are these so called LHF that I've exclusively gone after. I want names. I want you to tell me how they are LHF, how LHF =/= mafia. If you want to say Fingersplints I'll give you 7 other names that voted FIngersplints. If you want to hang me because I miscued on a Fingersplints counterwagon to try to save Alison on day 1, then that's again, absurd. You are not attempting to read motivation at all. What is the mafia motivation for me to do that when the wagons at the time I did it were tvt Alison v Baudib1. It makes no sense. I clearly was trying to do what I felt was right for the town.

You say the gamestate is rudderless. You have been inhibiting my influence with this constant push. You are causing my influence to be a certain way and then scumreading me for something of your own cause.

I am not trying to pretend anything. I already literally said that sussing me for day 2 is fine. Literally. You are at a point where you're so confirmation biased that you are not even reading posts. You're just living in a fantasy world where you've caught the big Mac and are a hero and it's clouding everything about your judgement towards me, giving the mafia a free pass to pocketing me and essentially making this day pointless.

I am not posting again today.
by MacDougall
Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:02 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

The biggest problem with this game is that at least half the living town are wolfsiding which makes it hard to see who is wolfsiding town vs. just a wolf and makes it really effective for some of the wolves to deepwolf and townside.

This is the sort of game where when you hit dvc and get spoiled you go "oh lol town is fucked".

SPF, Bereft and Tutuu may contain mafia (and I think just does). But the way the game is being played means if one of them is they have easy steps mapped out to win. Any pressure on them is laughable. They can just ignore it and it will go nowhere.

To me the POE should be something like Sabi, Jack, Wilgy but the actual POE is Creature, Sig and Roxy. I think Roxy is probably going to flip mafia but if she does I expect it to lead to many chained town deaths because Roxy would have been being positioned by the mafia to gain full cred from by now and I strongly doubt given the way this game is being played that the town will coalesce to a degree to actually resolve it that way. Most likely it just leads to whoever is town in the aforementioned names just dying.

My personal must resolve POE is.

Tutuu
Jack
Roxy
Sabi
by MacDougall
Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:04 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Creature wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:02 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:00 pm i do too honestly
I recently finished watching Alice in Borderland and a few days ago I finished watching 1899.

I thought about starting Locke and Key season 3 but I feel like I should also be on the look out for a new non-animated series because I don't have any after Locke and Key.
Sandman?
by MacDougall
Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:15 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
Replies: 4390
Views: 73461

Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

We are in the midgame so I am just going to force myself not to weathervane cuz if I'm wrong we probably are going to lose and if I'm right we will lose unless I stop playing badly.

@falcon45ca @Seanzie @RondoDimBuckle @DrWilgy

I believe you four are town. I need you to find me town or I am going to be nothing but a distraction and it will continue to cyclically frustrate me all game. Whatever suspicion you have towards me needs to die now or this game will be a loss for town imo.

@staypositivefriend @Bereft I am choosing to disregard tinfoil towards you both. I am willing to just mason with you ride or die.
by MacDougall
Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:15 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Btw Andor is the best Star Wars universe product ever made imo.
by MacDougall
Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:20 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Bereft wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:17 pm If one puts:

Bereft
lucy
RondoDimBuckle
MacDougall
Porscha
Seanzie
staypositivefriend
falcon45ca

as town, then the game is near locked so I don't quite see the issue here.
Do you think all these players are town?
by MacDougall
Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:43 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

I am now about 80% sure Roxy is town.
by MacDougall
Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:53 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

staypositivefriend wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:51 pm
Bereft wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:49 pm How about Roxy/Kate/Jack/Wilgy/Tutuu .
you're missing sig
I don't think Wilgy is mafia.
by MacDougall
Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:53 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Sabiplz wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:52 pm
Bereft wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:49 pm How about Roxy/Kate/Jack/Wilgy/Tutuu .
Where's creature
Over there being a town.
by MacDougall
Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:54 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

I will vote Roxy over Creature.

I think Jack would be my preferred chop.
by MacDougall
Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:55 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Or Sabi.
by MacDougall
Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:55 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Sabiplz wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:53 pm
Sabiplz wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:52 pm
Bereft wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:49 pm How about Roxy/Kate/Jack/Wilgy/Tutuu .
Where's creature
Over there being a town.
How is he town?

He hasn't doom and gloom posted?

Hasn't posted any paranoia over you or spf?

He's been not cranky.

Explain why is he town.
I like his direction. I like his reads.
by MacDougall
Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:56 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

lucy wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:55 pm mac how confident are you on tutuu scum
Is this where I pick another scumread that's town and everyone kills them and blames me?
by MacDougall
Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:59 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Sabiplz wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:55 pm
Sabiplz wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:53 pm
Sabiplz wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:52 pm
Bereft wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:49 pm How about Roxy/Kate/Jack/Wilgy/Tutuu .
Where's creature
Over there being a town.
How is he town?

He hasn't doom and gloom posted?

Hasn't posted any paranoia over you or spf?

He's been not cranky.

Explain why is he town.
I like his direction. I like his reads.
But why does that make him town?
I like people who have reads I understand and agree with.

You're just meta reading him. I get it. Creature often plays without those tells as town once he gets a footing.

But I could be wrong and you could be right. Right now I don't want to kill someone who feels like they are siding with my gamestate.
by MacDougall
Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:59 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

lucy wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:56 pm
lucy wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:55 pm mac how confident are you on tutuu scum
Is this where I pick another scumread that's town and everyone kills them and blames me?
it's where if you die i want to know how confident you are on tutuu to know that information for myself in my own analysis
It's a read I am willing to push eventually.
by MacDougall
Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:26 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 4]

Seanzie your appraisal of this gamestate is egregious. Bereft and SPF are the only people whose reads actually make sense. Why are you pushing into us 3 and not Jack/Tutuu/Wilgy and other actual wolfy players?
by MacDougall
Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:28 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 4]

staypositivefriend wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:21 pm seanzie does your read on me exist individually of my association with mac/bereft?
His read most likely exists because he's tactically choosing to play the wolf alignment by hard tunneling strong town players to run interference. He's been doing it to me for 2 phases and even made a post telegraphing that it was a valid tactic.
by MacDougall
Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:29 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 4]

Seanzie wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:27 pm
Bereft wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:23 pm I also think that when the game is hard we obviously vote out SPF, but now is not then.
Game is clearly hard. Fact that you refuse to acknowledge that is bad.
The game being hard does not automatically mean Bereft/SPF/Mac contains mafia. If us three were dead and Baudib, Alison and Rondo alive you'd probably have the exact same argument with different names.
by MacDougall
Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:33 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 4]

Seanzie wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:26 pm Seanzie your appraisal of this gamestate is egregious. Bereft and SPF are the only people whose reads actually make sense. Why are you pushing into us 3 and not Jack/Tutuu/Wilgy and other actual wolfy players?
If multiple days go by with a rockstar twoncore and no wolves die, the rockstar towncore is rotten.
3 days have gone by.

Day 1 was all town wagons. I pushed a slanker over and spared Alison and Baudib who have both flipped town.

Day 2 the day was cut short by a card killing Alison before anything was able to be done.

Day 3 was a non day because the entire game including Roxy just slepwalked to that lim. It was a write off day for me because you and others treated me like hot confirmation biased garbage.

You are far more responsible for the gamestate than I am and are hard wolfsiding.

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