The Syndicate

Poison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:26 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:24 am @EnderWiggin feels on Ron?

wait Mac, yeah I wanted to ask you how you feel about Ender

no different to earlier

The thing that bothers me about syn is the absence of his frustration towards the gamestate. Particularly I don't even know who he suspects as mafia.

Ruri wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:27 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:21 am

Ruri wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:59 amCrickets.

I am interested why Syn. I was having a chat with my housemates

Lack of content from D1. Tutuu says she has seen tryhard V!Syn, but isn't Syn's EOD the opposite of tryhard? I'm not sure about Syn's content Today, so it might be an outdated decision. Also, in the one game I was villa with Syn in, he was hard to read through the whole game...untill maybe a few phases before game-end. Safe decision, either way.

I don't think she ever said he was trying hard. Quite the opposite.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:26 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:24 am I don't want ppl suppressing their thoughts. That makes the game harder. I didn't want your acquiescence. I just felt like you have been diametrically opposed to nearly all my reads and that is often how I find mafia.

well i dunno its just a coincidence. i dont look at your reads and purposefully reverse them lol. perhaps u could say that there are so many permutatinos in the infinite number of possible mafia games, that we've just reached one like this right here

but i do also wanna say that this is the third time we been through this. i can find u quote of u saying literally the same in radiohead mafia and goc 2020, when we were both very unaligned as well. maybe we're just very different players and have different mindsets, ionno fam

this is true

tbh the syn/tutuu dynamic heavily implies t/t ... neither of their perspectives with one another make sense as mafia/town or mafia/mafia.

Ie. Syn would be dead to rights if not for Tutuu today. However rather than just living in her pocket he is tinfoiling and sussing the shit out of her.

That isn't a w/w dynamic because Tutuu is not playing into it at all and just playing around him. She isn't earnestly distancing.

So they are both town probably.

@EnderWiggin feels on Ron?

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:22 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:20 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:19 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:17 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:12 am yno tutuu it would make sense for us to work together if you're town as opposed to you working against me lol

i think u got a problem with people not sucking ur dick. i aint tedxtr or nook famlam

i got my own reads, i put them in the thread, i do my own thing

i been responding when u talk to me

if u wanna work together feel free to try. i havnt ignored u asking about my reads. ive also asked u to reconsider ur reads that i think are wrong

but "if tutuu doesnt work with me she works against me" - thats just lol

nah you've got it wrong... I am re-evaluating my read on you and considering how to manage working with you

I don't need you to suck my dick... I got my bottom ribs taken out in the 90s so I could do it myself

well, u could work with me like this - ask me for my reads and ill respond. if u think a read of mine is wrong tell me about it. if u want me to listen to a read of yours alert me of it. respect me when i disagree with you, and respect when i dont want to sheep you and instead follow my hunch. i respect others when they do so

have I been disrespectful? sorry.

nah fam u havent been disrespectful at all on a personal level

im talking purely in-game

like "if tutuu isnt with me shes against me"

"if tutuu isnt listetning to me shes undermining me"

these are just disrespectful game-related. coz like, they are based on the premise that i should suppress my independent thoughts when they differ from yours

I don't want ppl suppressing their thoughts. That makes the game harder. I didn't want your acquiescence. I just felt like you have been diametrically opposed to nearly all my reads and that is often how I find mafia.

I just like... could hear someone in spec chat being like "omg why can't tutuu and mac just work together and stop dick swinging". That's the entirety of this 180. I have access to spec chat.

@Made House Tutuu and House MacDougall have joined our banners in order to march upon Castle Made

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:19 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:17 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:12 am yno tutuu it would make sense for us to work together if you're town as opposed to you working against me lol

i think u got a problem with people not sucking ur dick. i aint tedxtr or nook famlam

i got my own reads, i put them in the thread, i do my own thing

i been responding when u talk to me

if u wanna work together feel free to try. i havnt ignored u asking about my reads. ive also asked u to reconsider ur reads that i think are wrong

but "if tutuu doesnt work with me she works against me" - thats just lol

nah you've got it wrong... I am re-evaluating my read on you and considering how to manage working with you

I don't need you to suck my dick... I got my bottom ribs taken out in the 90s so I could do it myself

well, u could work with me like this - ask me for my reads and ill respond. if u think a read of mine is wrong tell me about it. if u want me to listen to a read of yours alert me of it. respect me when i disagree with you, and respect when i dont want to sheep you and instead follow my hunch. i respect others when they do so

have I been disrespectful? sorry.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:12 am yno tutuu it would make sense for us to work together if you're town as opposed to you working against me lol

i think u got a problem with people not sucking ur dick. i aint tedxtr or nook famlam

i got my own reads, i put them in the thread, i do my own thing

i been responding when u talk to me

if u wanna work together feel free to try. i havnt ignored u asking about my reads. ive also asked u to reconsider ur reads that i think are wrong

but "if tutuu doesnt work with me she works against me" - thats just lol

nah you've got it wrong... I am re-evaluating my read on you and considering how to manage working with you

I don't need you to suck my dick... I got my bottom ribs taken out in the 90s so I could do it myself

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:11 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:10 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:09 am tutuu
MacDougall
sig
RondoDimBuckle
Epignosis
Syn
tedxtr
Urist
TonyStarkPrime

Ruri
Michelle
Scotty
DrWilgy
112

Master Radishes
falcon45ca

Poison
EnderWiggin
Made
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
DkKoba

why is tsp at the bottom of that group when he and sig are a pair?

coz my townread on sig isnt too dependant on the mech claim

also, even if u focus on the claim, sig is the townier of the pair, since wolf can fake mech on town

you think tsp can potentially be a wolf faking mech to save sig?

yno tutuu it would make sense for us to work together if you're town as opposed to you working against me lol

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:09 am tutuu
MacDougall
sig
RondoDimBuckle
Epignosis
Syn
tedxtr
Urist
TonyStarkPrime

Ruri
Michelle
Scotty
DrWilgy
112

Master Radishes
falcon45ca

Poison
EnderWiggin
Made
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
DkKoba

why is tsp at the bottom of that group when he and sig are a pair?

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:28 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:24 am I just hate how you're dismissing literally all my reads lol.

I believe in myself more than i believe in you

why though? I've been schooling wolves in townrands lately.

Dont get offended and stuff fam, im jus answering ur question - i havent seen it personally. Can u recall a game with me where u did that? I also dont have that many games, i dont play that much. So ye

yes? you've literally been mafia in games I was the only one who sussed you and buried your team in.

Ruri wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:29 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:24 am I just hate how you're dismissing literally all my reads lol.

Is that directed at me? I'm honestly down for a Syn wagon again, unless there's anything that Syn has done recently that was redeeming.

no tutuu

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:24 am I just hate how you're dismissing literally all my reads lol.

I believe in myself more than i believe in you

why though? I've been schooling wolves in townrands lately.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:26 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:17 am Axe wasn't exactly getting anywhere with his Tutuu push so the idea that he was shot to save her is probably meh. It can be a side benefit to what is otherwise just something Epi did that was funny. There is room for Epi/Tutuu worlds maybe.

axe was killed for threatening Epi in the night.

yeah I am saying that

I just hate how you're dismissing literally all my reads lol.

Falcon and Made are also pretty good ideas for a wagon.

Axe wasn't exactly getting anywhere with his Tutuu push so the idea that he was shot to save her is probably meh. It can be a side benefit to what is otherwise just something Epi did that was funny. There is room for Epi/Tutuu worlds maybe.

Collective reads of dead town:

Dyachei -

Sus of Rondo, Syn, Scotty. Didn't really give any townreads. Liked Sig but mostly because Syn was voting there.

Notanaxehole -

Just wanted Tutuu to die. Echoed a Urist scumread on Rondo/Tutuu teammed. Really wanted to be sheeped so kinda want to now that he's dead. Thought Wilgy was obvious mafia.

Kza -

Seemed content to mostly sheep me. His reads were pretty aligned to mine.

Axe being shot was only a town action if it was literally Epi and it was literally just because he threatened to vigi a vigi. I think Epi essentially claimed it when I accused him so that makes this a decided possibility. That doesn't MAKE Epi town, but it does play down the fact that Axe was going after Tutuu.

Obviously there's nothing to read into regards to Dya since I am largely responsible for their flip (among others). If Syn does turn out to be mafia (or Scotty even) then it is likely that wolves at least assisted in getting Dya over. Given a lot of people were already voting Syn and very few moved off of Syn onto Dya but rather most of the voters came from elsewhere, particularly the Scotty wagon, it would seem to imply that Dya's wagon may not necessarily have been flooded in order to save Syn but rather just because of me, with a slight possibility of saving Syn whose wagon was rather pure.

KZA being shot as opposed to a townie on the Syn wagon doesn't imply much. I'd say it's more likely KZA was killed because he was a top townread of mine and it was moreso just to take away one of my towncore given they also chose to leave me alive.

Someone say stuff about the Michelle poison I've not analysed that. Did Koba claim it?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:40 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:37 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:32 am I need to find more trusted town. There isn't enough obvious town outside of Ted now that Kza died. I almost feel obliged to treat people I'm sus of as townfirms for the benefit of the gamestate.

Maybe I need to reassess everyone on skim. I will do that.

I'm literally right here, wow

Well see the reason I want trusted town is so I can solve as a group and I tried to engage you on your Epi read and you memed at me so even if you are town you're not the type of town I am currently sourcing.

Idk what to tell you, he did his mafia stuff...he has seemingly no plan, he's posting a fair amount but most of its that kind of grey area not quite fluff but not quite reads either stuff, he makes consistent excuses for not having thoughts (in a vacuum this is whatever in combination with the no plan thing its scummy)

Basically hes trying but not in a townie way, idk if that makes sense as a way to describe it

All I am seeing is Epi being Epi?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:38 am Mac do you have a read on ender?

Last read on him was town. He seems to be fighting the good fight here on the main. Albeit a little detatched.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:08 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:57 pm I don't know how I feel about syn's wagon being so runaway, you know?

It’s never been runaway because of people like you

I’m not even sure you suspect me

If syn flips mafia, I’m looking toward you next

This feels like Scotty trying to chain Dya to what he expected was a guaranteed Syn flip.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:32 am I need to find more trusted town. There isn't enough obvious town outside of Ted now that Kza died. I almost feel obliged to treat people I'm sus of as townfirms for the benefit of the gamestate.

Maybe I need to reassess everyone on skim. I will do that.

I'm literally right here, wow

Well see the reason I want trusted town is so I can solve as a group and I tried to engage you on your Epi read and you memed at me so even if you are town you're not the type of town I am currently sourcing.

Legit perspective slip. You feel responsible for the mischop without actually having voted on it. That's such a scummy mindset.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:33 am K michelle is town

I need votes on koba

@Syn @sig @Scotty

Ayo the triple S squad

I saved ur fucking asses, yall be dead without me. U better be grateful

Get ur asses in here and vote koba

Tutuu you voted for syn at EOD in a 9-8 wagon formation. How exactly did you "save" him?

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:31 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:19 am @tutuu if I had a gun to your head and you had to tell me something to make me town read you here what would it be?

Id say im town

good chat

I need to find more trusted town. There isn't enough obvious town outside of Ted now that Kza died. I almost feel obliged to treat people I'm sus of as townfirms for the benefit of the gamestate.

Maybe I need to reassess everyone on skim. I will do that.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:27 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:25 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:22 am i actually skipped like half of the argument and ignored most of koba’s posts in the argument

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:23 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:22 am i actually skipped like half of the argument and ignored most of koba’s posts in the argument

lol same

Too bad, that's the way a wolf receive town read

we are town reading you Michelle...

My concern is you TR DkKoba and you didn't read his posts to see what's wrong with them

I'm not townreading koba all that much anymore.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:37 am Syn/Tutuu

Or

Urist/Ender?

Does Rondo fit into either of these?

I'm not able to see the lines like I used to.

this feels so town tho

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:26 am my 6th sense says wilgy is a werewolf

my mind says scotty is a werewolf

who was wilgy trying to save at eod?

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:25 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:22 am i actually skipped like half of the argument and ignored most of koba’s posts in the argument

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:23 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:22 am i actually skipped like half of the argument and ignored most of koba’s posts in the argument

lol same

Too bad, that's the way a wolf receive town read

we are town reading you Michelle...

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:15 am I think the koba wagon has scum on it and the Tutuu wagon has none. But also I've somewhat lost confidence compared to where I was at d1.

I have a problem with pure wagons, because usually wolves bussing for town credit means a wagon who has suspicious votants may flip scum. What do you think?

These things are not mutually exclusive.

Scummy wagons will turn up scum from time to time. Particularly in a gamestate like our day 1.

Scum don't like to pile on ever... except in day 1 of mashes. Or if they're gangsters. So at this point in a game day wagons will never have more than 2 wolves on them. Probably no more than 1.

Wagons with only town on them tend to flip mafia a lot.

I felt like Wilgy had TMI and agenda somewhere towards EOD. I need to review him.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:22 am i actually skipped like half of the argument and ignored most of koba’s posts in the argument

lol same

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:20 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:16 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:15 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:14 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:02 am All of which is to say that epi is obviously the best wagon available and we should all pile on

what did he do to cop that read?

Rand mafia

what has he done to make you feel that way?

He tugged my hair and called me a mean name

mannn

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:20 am i voted tutuu cuz poison keeps biting there and the gurl has a 6th sense sometimes, pretty underrated

And tutuu’s koba thing looks ridiculous

At least it's not a blind sheep... pressure of owning everyone's votes sucks.

What do you think of Wilgy?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:19 am i think poison and michelle are townie (i got more convinced on michelle once she pushed koba)

tsp and sig are confirming each other / tsp is confirming sig

Rondo gth town still

urist’s posts are so weird he’s probably a villager

I didn’t like ender’s push on sig / his posts on page 57 or whatever it was and i am confused why he has not outed a rondo read yet, and we’re on day 2.

otherwise pretty confusing

the tsp mech clear on sig has to be nonwolf doesn't it...

I guess we take those.

I agree Michelle is townier for pushing koba but she appears to be resolving anyway.

Poison I am unconvinced.

I don't really take issue with any of the names you've mentioned tbh.

@tutuu if I had a gun to your head and you had to tell me something to make me town read you here what would it be?

where did this 112 wagon come from?

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:16 am

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:51 pm also don't think tutuu would patronize you mac if she's wolfing, there is no gain to antagonizing you in every interaction

I havent patronized anyone...

correct... I've not felt antagonised by you just polarised to you.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:15 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:14 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:02 am All of which is to say that epi is obviously the best wagon available and we should all pile on

what did he do to cop that read?

Rand mafia

what has he done to make you feel that way?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:15 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:14 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:13 am [VOTE: tutuu ] aubergine

hey what's going on up in ur head?

nothing, i’m following you

would rather have scotty flipped

I meant generally... where your head at?

I think the koba wagon has scum on it and the Tutuu wagon has none. But also I've somewhat lost confidence compared to where I was at d1.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:13 am [VOTE: tutuu ] aubergine

hey what's going on up in ur head?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:02 am All of which is to say that epi is obviously the best wagon available and we should all pile on

what did he do to cop that read?

Ender knows Rondo personally so if anyone wants a read on him y'all should be hounding his ass.