The Syndicate

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:31 am Can we just not do this at all.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:30 am You could just try to solve more tbh.

But the cum plan is intriguing.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:28 am I am voting you moreso for your solving not being well thought out if it helps.

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:24 am the last time I was a wolf I pocketed you because you are pathetically easy to pocket and it's called agreeing with things you say like this "oh mac you are so good at mafia and I like your reads let me vote with you," trust me Nanook and I are friends now so I know

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:16 am Mac is squirming under the realization I took his world to its logical conclusion and it spells trouble for him lol

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:15 am Is Mac implying I'm wolfu with HK?

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:13 am @MacDougall are you still wolf reading Sabi

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:19 pm it makes the most sense if mac is a wolf

he even was saying i was a wolf at eod so it lines up that he would kill OW and then set up a push on me today, or maybe he would leave me for day 3 idk

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:10 pm i still can't figure out if outed wolf was wolf or not. I think he was? someone more enlightened than I tell me what I think

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:09 pm Bored and read visor iso since it was short.

He was pushing achro, lily, and santy.

Thots?

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:28 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:24 pm

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:24 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:22 pm I miss ender

Sentences nobody has ever said for 500, Alex.

(ily blade)

What are your reads visor

Reads? Never heard of em.

Santy's posts are still lacking, no real villageriness or solving to em.
Achro's feeling quite overdramatic this game in a way that reminds me of our FOL game together.
Still not buying what lily is selling, but nobody agrees so whatever.
Jury is out on riisinqs posts. Kinda want to wolfread them, but feel like it could just be playstyle.

Still think hkatt and nanook are fine. Rest I don't have a strong opinion on. You might be v.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:04 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:01 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:59 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:54 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:51 pm Anyway I am not voting for hk because the wolf agenda is hk going over today because if ow was alive he would be saying hk is town but the wolves killed him so now he can't say that with hid voice or his vote.

And yet people were saying that OW should have been kept alive because if HK was mafia and got flipped day 2 it'd make Visor and easy chop.

So we have people defending HK because he's never with and always and only with Visor.

So we have a literal must chop slot who cannot ever endgame being shielded day 2 for the dumbest shit imaginable, NKA on a dead to rights slot.

Topkek.

JJJ once told me the greatest failing of towns in mountainous was not paying attention to who did and importantly who didn't die n1.

I think this is a good take.

The fact of the matter is by killing ow the scum don't care if hk goes over otherwise they keep that voice on hk's side. So then they wouldn't be hard shielding him. It's not complicated.

So if you and/or Lily are mafia with Hollowkatt, rather than kill visor and remove a threat to one or both of you, you make a decision to preserve your dead to rights teammate?

I know I am not a wolf so entertaining that world isn't needed.

Lily voted hk yesterday in an 8/7 wagon.

I don't think that scenario is viable tbh

Okay so let's say you and Lily are both town and HK is mafia.

Let's say it's like HK/Nanook/Jack or something.

There is a conversation that occurs in night chat like:

"Maybe visor"
"Nah visor townreads HK"
"lol HK Is dying d2 no matter what"
"yeah true"

And then the decision as to whether or not to kill visor is weighed up by completely different factors.

If you and lily are town, then the most logical reason visor was killed n1 wasn't to remove protection from HK, it was to make his reads look better than they are.

Okay, and in that scenario you agree with me that people voting hk are probably scum. Yeah? That is the one world I will entertain

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:05 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:04 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:03 am Lily's offerings today haven't been great mind you, but I don't think lily consents to murder the thread health of the game with hk just to win. She doesn't strike me as the type. So they are not partnered.

yeah I think definitely not

wolfy

my bad for saying true and correct things I won't do it again or else I'll be tunneled by mac

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:04 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:03 am Lily's offerings today haven't been great mind you, but I don't think lily consents to murder the thread health of the game with hk just to win. She doesn't strike me as the type. So they are not partnered.

yeah I think definitely not

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:01 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:59 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:54 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:51 pm Anyway I am not voting for hk because the wolf agenda is hk going over today because if ow was alive he would be saying hk is town but the wolves killed him so now he can't say that with hid voice or his vote.

And yet people were saying that OW should have been kept alive because if HK was mafia and got flipped day 2 it'd make Visor and easy chop.

So we have people defending HK because he's never with and always and only with Visor.

So we have a literal must chop slot who cannot ever endgame being shielded day 2 for the dumbest shit imaginable, NKA on a dead to rights slot.

Topkek.

JJJ once told me the greatest failing of towns in mountainous was not paying attention to who did and importantly who didn't die n1.

I think this is a good take.

The fact of the matter is by killing ow the scum don't care if hk goes over otherwise they keep that voice on hk's side. So then they wouldn't be hard shielding him. It's not complicated.

So if you and/or Lily are mafia with Hollowkatt, rather than kill visor and remove a threat to one or both of you, you make a decision to preserve your dead to rights teammate?

I know I am not a wolf so entertaining that world isn't needed.

Lily voted hk yesterday in an 8/7 wagon.

I don't think that scenario is viable tbh

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:54 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:52 pm I'm not ego posting I'm just trying to troll mac

Oh i am so gotten to you have no idea I am currently shidding and farding in wolfchat.

idk why you are trying to say this game that you can't say things about me in terms of reads when you've literally been doing nothing but tunneling me irt your read on me then when I say a literal joke in response and nothing else act as if it's me doing that

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:54 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:51 pm Anyway I am not voting for hk because the wolf agenda is hk going over today because if ow was alive he would be saying hk is town but the wolves killed him so now he can't say that with hid voice or his vote.

And yet people were saying that OW should have been kept alive because if HK was mafia and got flipped day 2 it'd make Visor and easy chop.

So we have people defending HK because he's never with and always and only with Visor.

So we have a literal must chop slot who cannot ever endgame being shielded day 2 for the dumbest shit imaginable, NKA on a dead to rights slot.

Topkek.

JJJ once told me the greatest failing of towns in mountainous was not paying attention to who did and importantly who didn't die n1.

I think this is a good take.

The fact of the matter is by killing ow the scum don't care if hk goes over otherwise they keep that voice on hk's side. So then they wouldn't be hard shielding him. It's not complicated.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:52 pm I'm not ego posting I'm just trying to troll mac

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:51 pm Anyway I am not voting for hk because the wolf agenda is hk going over today because if ow was alive he would be saying hk is town but the wolves killed him so now he can't say that with hid voice or his vote.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:47 pm Gqmestate is fine. It feels unhealthy because people aren't doing the right things for their mental health. I have been there. Game state isn't reliant on wolf or town pushes tbh

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:43 pm Not really but while catching up a thought popped into my pretty little head.

Mac has said a few times today that solving hk is best. Maybe Mac is right here. But then he says two partners are shielding hk and that's why today is going bad. That doesn't make sense with how hk has played though. Partners bus in this situation not hard shield the guy giving up.

In hk wolf worlds I think two wolves are already voting hk. Spooky I know.

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:04 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:16 pm Also Mac, you understand that Im sussing you because your worldview of the game seems to waver ? Like some of th post you did also doesnt add up with how you put me in your W!hk cat in the same tier as JACK. And Esoos in Lean Wolf for that matter.

Its like, too big of a flaw for me to ignore

You are in that tier because you have partner equity with Snow who at the time I was speculating had partner equity with HK. I had explained my progressions at the time but to summarise it for you.

Day 1 - Snow has me middling, above null. Votes out Ender with me. Has Santy, HK and others below me.
Day 2 - Achro, Lily, Esooa, Porscha all come out pushing onto me. Suddenly Snow says "Yeah Mac is off" votes me. And drops you AND HK from their POE with no progression at all.

I am considerate of the fact that Snow probably would just keep HK in their POE if they were mafia and have since gotten off that entire read. The fact that you have played into me the way you have has you as town to me.

But you had such a townread in me, why couldnt snow be trying to pocket me? Like, you put me down cuz of good equity with someone who had good equity with your scumread. Like, comoaring that with you 'Santy is never mafia' or something like that you posted at EoD I dont see really how that makes me trend down so much.

I think ris also had one townread in me in D1, not looking at the ISO cuz I suck at checking those but I remember it (When I sussed Essoa for doubting Visor townread on ris).

Have you read Hk/Esooa interactions?

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:16 pm Also Mac, you understand that Im sussing you because your worldview of the game seems to waver ? Like some of th post you did also doesnt add up with how you put me in your W!hk cat in the same tier as JACK. And Esoos in Lean Wolf for that matter.

Its like, too big of a flaw for me to ignore

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:16 pm Also Mac, you understand that Im sussing you because your worldview of the game seems to waver ? Like some of th post you did also doesnt add up with how you put me in your W!hk cat in the same tier as JACK. And Esoos in Lean Wolf for that matter.

Its like, too big of a flaw for me to ignore

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:08 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:15 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:09 pm The correct thing to do here is flip HK. Anyone who is not doing that is playing the game with too much ego or a wolf trying to prolong HKs survival to a later day so they can just miselim him on a worse day.

Which are you non HK voter?

get me on ur side then, i specifically have said either you or hk goes today and i am willing to see your side

You don't need to be on my side. It is my view that if the gamestate is toxic just do the logical thing and solve the d1 wagons. It is easy, it avoids pushing into things that perpetuate that gamestate. Not even HK himself is objecting to it and frankly the fact that it's not occurring and the gamestate is emo and toxic ish is indicative of him being a hit with active partners shielding him.

I'm not arguing that I need to go, I think I do, but to postulate that the gamestate is emo and toxic because of me, today, is laughable Mac. If I were wolfing here I take my lumps, lolcat, maybe make a few content based posts in hopes of spewing team mates to go deeper into the game, and then stop posting and paying attention.

I have to go to resolve the wagons, not because I've made the current day unbearable.

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:55 pm Also didnt like Esooa vote on me fwiw. But I am like almost feeling that its so uphill that is ut even worth the struggle of trying to solve? Specially when my death could break the status quo some players have regarding their reads and point about how some sussy players joined my wagon/let it happen? Weh

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:48 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:41 pm I say we lean into the toxicity and get middle school catty with each other

lol nobody even likes you

Ur mom likes me alllll night

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:41 pm I say we lean into the toxicity and get middle school catty with each other

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:14 pm @MacDougall what are ur current opinons of santy

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:18 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:16 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:15 pm Now I feel like I'm part of the issue for saying something.

I'm sorry.

there's no issue, if I don't wanna post as much in thread it's not a problem it's me rather spending some of my time doing other things and you didn't make anyone feel worse about it except maybe nanook but that was for no reason tbh so you're fine

you are correct but also if you have lost place in this game it would be better for the game health if you played follower

well I'm currently voting the top wagon so I guess I am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:17 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:12 pm Nobody is being toxic and the mood isn't even that bad. It's just unproductive.

Everyone knows HK needs to die.
Some people are town who think he probs flips town and don't understand or refuse to accept that it's just correct.
Those people are pushing onto players who aren't consensus suspects which is creating this talking past each other dialogue of which Nanook speaks.
I also get the impression that some of the posters who have the higher volume aren't actually reading posts at all and are just posting in sprees of live posting, picking out things to argue with or amplify and not thinking about things with an actual solving process. I've been guilty of that tbh.

idr if you've said anything but do you not care about the Visor NK? Why does HK need to die?

See this is what I mean. You're absolutely guilty of playing without reading the content. I've said multiple times that the Visor kill says nothing about HKs alignment. HK goes into any night chat assuming he dies d2 and all n1 kills exist to benefit the other two mafia either by removing a threat or locking his reads in place. HK is not the person who would have dictated that decision.

lmao what I'm literally catching up

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:16 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:15 pm Now I feel like I'm part of the issue for saying something.

I'm sorry.

there's no issue, if I don't wanna post as much in thread it's not a problem it's me rather spending some of my time doing other things and you didn't make anyone feel worse about it except maybe nanook but that was for no reason tbh so you're fine

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:12 pm Nobody is being toxic and the mood isn't even that bad. It's just unproductive.

Everyone knows HK needs to die.
Some people are town who think he probs flips town and don't understand or refuse to accept that it's just correct.
Those people are pushing onto players who aren't consensus suspects which is creating this talking past each other dialogue of which Nanook speaks.
I also get the impression that some of the posters who have the higher volume aren't actually reading posts at all and are just posting in sprees of live posting, picking out things to argue with or amplify and not thinking about things with an actual solving process. I've been guilty of that tbh.

idr if you've said anything but do you not care about the Visor NK? Why does HK need to die?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:09 pm The correct thing to do here is flip HK. Anyone who is not doing that is playing the game with too much ego or a wolf trying to prolong HKs survival to a later day so they can just miselim him on a worse day.

Which are you non HK voter?

get me on ur side then, i specifically have said either you or hk goes today and i am willing to see your side