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Which is easy because.
The God damn irony of this.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:02 amYou cannot expect me to townread you when you make it deliberately hard to work with you and instead solely rely on things like juxtapositions from your high-posting wolf games, which can easily be juxtaposed.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 11:54 pmYou have played with me before how can you possibly think this
Imagine someone who historically drives you bananas negatively assessing your alignment through a completely invented understanding of how you think, telling someone else that your thought process isn't real and projecting their own idea of optimal play onto you.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 11:55 pmIt doesn't, with the exception that if Mac's take were to be real, it would be something like "thread activity is townie, and postcount is a vague measure of threadactvity, therefore Seanzie is townie", because "postcount" is not actually townie on it's own, it is just a measure that tends to correlate with other measures of townieness, and I don't think Mac is actually looking at me in a nuanced enough way to see this.Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 11:51 pmOh I thought you were trying to prove I'm not paying attention (i do not remember his progression, but I get the feeling you're trying to tell me it's bad and I will go look)Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 11:49 pmI'm not trying to give you an exam, I'm trying to lead you to what I see.
The postclearing nonsense is exactly that - nonsense IMO.
Yeah, but then you went on to say you were top poster which supports it and didn't seem to take it back
I get you might've thought it was an invalid point, but I don't see why that directly leads to scumreading
I'm quite intentionally trying to not analyse you because I have an internal conflict betweenSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 11:55 pmIt doesn't, with the exception that if Mac's take were to be real, it would be something like "thread activity is townie, and postcount is a vague measure of threadactvity, therefore Seanzie is townie", because "postcount" is not actually townie on it's own, it is just a measure that tends to correlate with other measures of townieness, and I don't think Mac is actually looking at me in a nuanced enough way to see this.Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 11:51 pmOh I thought you were trying to prove I'm not paying attention (i do not remember his progression, but I get the feeling you're trying to tell me it's bad and I will go look)Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 11:49 pmI'm not trying to give you an exam, I'm trying to lead you to what I see.
The postclearing nonsense is exactly that - nonsense IMO.
Yeah, but then you went on to say you were top poster which supports it and didn't seem to take it back
I get you might've thought it was an invalid point, but I don't see why that directly leads to scumreading
Cool thanks for reaction testing me, making me overreact and then criticising me for overreacting. I appreciate the site ban I'll be receiving for it.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 10:07 pmI find it to be someone looking to see how Mac reacts, but okay.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 10:05 pmI find someone who colour codes an arbitrary post of mine to say mac is a wolf dramatically 3 times without explaining how any of the 3 things I say to be tunneling, among other things.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 10:02 pmDo you find anyone who votes you to be "tunneling", or are you just throwing that word around?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:03 pm Neon has possibly not made her vote count towards a mafia wincon at all as yet.
Dennis has not made his count towards the town wincon.
FMPOV Seanzie has 4 egregious votes. Voted on both d1 and d2 town chops. Pushed against the wolf chop on d3. And is now tunneling me for bad reasons.
I find someone who colour codes an arbitrary post of mine to say mac is a wolf dramatically 3 times without explaining how any of the 3 things I say to be tunneling, among other things.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 10:02 pmDo you find anyone who votes you to be "tunneling", or are you just throwing that word around?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:03 pm Neon has possibly not made her vote count towards a mafia wincon at all as yet.
Dennis has not made his count towards the town wincon.
FMPOV Seanzie has 4 egregious votes. Voted on both d1 and d2 town chops. Pushed against the wolf chop on d3. And is now tunneling me for bad reasons.
As in if my PoE didn't contain their partner they would probably be a lil happy but I still trust the read tbh. Also Neon has literally ended d2 and d3 voting our only wolf flip and has most of the game pushing her. Doesn't feel like the hit based on that anyway.Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:57 pm? You think it would have to contain their partner in what capacity exactly?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:54 pmNot if it didn't contain their partner.Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:52 pmCan I ask if you think a no wim wolf who was provided a world view on a 5 star Michelin mac plate would in turn be happy about itMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:49 pm Just want to be clear I don't have a mech green on Kate and SVS. Neon saying she had no towncore or basis from which to solve felt like something I could easily ascertain the legitimacy of by doing that and her emotions switched from maniacal to quite happy when I did so I think she was genuine.
Not if it didn't contain their partner.Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:52 pmCan I ask if you think a no wim wolf who was provided a world view on a 5 star Michelin mac plate would in turn be happy about itMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:49 pm Just want to be clear I don't have a mech green on Kate and SVS. Neon saying she had no towncore or basis from which to solve felt like something I could easily ascertain the legitimacy of by doing that and her emotions switched from maniacal to quite happy when I did so I think she was genuine.
Three living players voting Neon on the c/w could easily be a town pure wagon voting a wolf which would cause mafia to need 2 votes on Falcon to save Neon.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:47 pmSeanzie being town is the weakest of the associative reads.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:45 pmWhy is Seanzie town?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:38 pm Let's seeeeeeee
If there were 3 wolves, remaining wolf combos could be:
SVS/TSP/Pyxxy
SVS/Porscha/Pyxxy
SVS/Kate/Pyxxy
Dennis/TSP/Pyxxy
Dennis/Porscha/Pyxxy
Dennis/Kate/Pyxxy?
Do these not make sense for any reason and why?
Now that I've narrowed it down to combos like this, I'll start doing some backreading I guess.
Simply because Seanzie and Pyxxy being both W on Falcon I think is unlikely. Pyxxy was likely a lone wolf there as I do not see immediate need for wolves to block vote. I'd say that T Seanzie is a 60% read based on this.
Why is Seanzie town?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:38 pm Let's seeeeeeee
If there were 3 wolves, remaining wolf combos could be:
SVS/TSP/Pyxxy
SVS/Porscha/Pyxxy
SVS/Kate/Pyxxy
Dennis/TSP/Pyxxy
Dennis/Porscha/Pyxxy
Dennis/Kate/Pyxxy?
Do these not make sense for any reason and why?
Now that I've narrowed it down to combos like this, I'll start doing some backreading I guess.
Also are there really no no voters?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:56 pmWhy are you trying to resolve the d1 Nutella wagon and not the d1 Rondo wagon?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:40 pm New Spread:Wilgy -> Kate, Falcon
Kate -> Wilgy
Mac -> Lily
Nutella -> Rondo, Mac, TSP
Rondo -> SVS, Dennis, Seanzie, Nutella
Seanzie -> WWAFalcon -> WWA, Nutella, Seanzie, Pyxxy, DrWIlgy
Kate -> Mac, TSP
Neon -> Kate, Porscha, SVS
Pyxxy -> Neon
TSP -> Falcon
WWA -> DennisDrWilgy -> TSP
Pyxxy -> Mac, Kate, Neon, Porscha, WWA
TSP -> Seanzie, Pyxxy
WWA -> SVS, DrWilgy
Given it was t/t wagonomics would more likely indicative the votes here to be majority town and the wolves off wagon.
Further if you had the perspective of being town, wouldn't you consider Kate to be near outed from your perspective? Why is Falcon/Kate not w/t voting you?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:56 pmWhy are you trying to resolve the d1 Nutella wagon and not the d1 Rondo wagon?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:40 pm New Spread:Wilgy -> Kate, Falcon
Kate -> Wilgy
Mac -> Lily
Nutella -> Rondo, Mac, TSP
Rondo -> SVS, Dennis, Seanzie, Nutella
Seanzie -> WWAFalcon -> WWA, Nutella, Seanzie, Pyxxy, DrWIlgy
Kate -> Mac, TSP
Neon -> Kate, Porscha, SVS
Pyxxy -> Neon
TSP -> Falcon
WWA -> DennisDrWilgy -> TSP
Pyxxy -> Mac, Kate, Neon, Porscha, WWA
TSP -> Seanzie, Pyxxy
WWA -> SVS, DrWilgy
Given it was t/t wagonomics would more likely indicative the votes here to be majority town and the wolves off wagon.
Why are you trying to resolve the d1 Nutella wagon and not the d1 Rondo wagon?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:40 pm New Spread:Wilgy -> Kate, Falcon
Kate -> Wilgy
Mac -> Lily
Nutella -> Rondo, Mac, TSP
Rondo -> SVS, Dennis, Seanzie, Nutella
Seanzie -> WWAFalcon -> WWA, Nutella, Seanzie, Pyxxy, DrWIlgy
Kate -> Mac, TSP
Neon -> Kate, Porscha, SVS
Pyxxy -> Neon
TSP -> Falcon
WWA -> DennisDrWilgy -> TSP
Pyxxy -> Mac, Kate, Neon, Porscha, WWA
TSP -> Seanzie, Pyxxy
WWA -> SVS, DrWilgy
Clearly I'm not saying your yes/no was that. I'm saying your world solving might be that.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:47 pmI've been posting in yes/no for 80% of the game. If you honestly believe I'm trying to cast illusion with that, then you've horribly misunderstood my gameplay this game.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:46 pmSo giving the illusion of wanting outcomes rather than actually trying to achieve them?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:42 pmAye, I'm not trying to persuade people. I'm trying to be correct on my solve and who can be eliminated as variables from said solve.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:38 pm Surely you don't actually think that poorly explaining microworlds and dichotomies is going to persuade people?
Seems like you're just making illogical low effort analyses in lieue of bothering to read more relevant things.
Can you quote these two reactions side by side please?Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:48 pmTsp when I say that interaction could have been w/w: no dont be ridiculousTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:47 pmCould beMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:45 pmI saw that as soft shielding a teammate while mildly griping trying to not look too partnery. Didn't occur to me it was spewing him town.
Tsp when mac says that interaction could have been w/w: perhaps, king
So giving the illusion of wanting outcomes rather than actually trying to achieve them?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:42 pmAye, I'm not trying to persuade people. I'm trying to be correct on my solve and who can be eliminated as variables from said solve.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:38 pm Surely you don't actually think that poorly explaining microworlds and dichotomies is going to persuade people?
Seems like you're just making illogical low effort analyses in lieue of bothering to read more relevant things.
When did we "bloc vote"?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:36 pmNot really sure where you got that. I expressed this last cycle with my 200 word free period.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:35 pmBut you had it as a dichotomy before that from what I can see?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:34 pmYou two block voted twice. I'd almost say this is never w/w and likely w/t.
But you had it as a dichotomy before that from what I can see?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:34 pmYou two block voted twice. I'd almost say this is never w/w and likely w/t.
Sorry I thought you were wanting me to make it.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:18 pmDude, I don't know what your problem is, but posts like this really aren't okay.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:14 pmYour argument is trash, possibly the worst attempt to push me I've ever seen. I respect you as a player less now because of it and am struggling to take it seriously because of how utterly ridiculous it is. It is so bad it loops back around to good because it's like satire. And I'm a fan of good satire. If you're serious with this push as town, you are washed. If you think this push will work and are wolf, you are washed. If you are drunk and just talking shit I'll headpat you. Your family are disappointed in you.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:11 pmThis does not align with how mafia actually works.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:05 pmIf you say so.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:53 pmI impolitely disagree. I think you're trying to use your threadpull to win this argument and shade me.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:50 pmI am asking others to validate your point in case it's fair and I need to be more reasonable.
If your argument is good and I'm being unreasonable you have nothing to worry about though.
