LOL I was proud when I got it as "Can't Fucking Tell Who's Right".
I was targeted and successfully roleblocked someone.
Silence was prevented as per host.
Leetic was roleblocked.
I think at least exploring this was a reasonable path for me to take no? I can't be expected going in to account for every piece of information Leetic has stated in his defense.
I think the omgus and vitriol hurled back at me is of the unreasonable amount given this.
I don't think that your reflexive roleblock would extend to powers not used on you. As in, the silence would be blocked, but the Oracle wouldn't.
Surely this whole idea that Oracle was roleblocked falls apart at the part where nobody would prioritise roleblocking an Oracle?
Like take all the silence and Mac part away. Doesn't it make more sense he's just lying about being roleblocked to cover for the fact he lied about the role in the first place?
I don't know. If you can use the fact that the Oracle was roleblocked to try to mislynch the Oracle, maybe you would roleblock the Oracle as a wolf? Furthermore, all this is WIFOM and does not even remotely counter the hard mechanical evidence on my side
Just for the record as an aside are you capable of withstanding accusations in a mafia game without resorting to vitriol and/or spark and/or belittling? Cuz if the answer is no I'll just stop doing it cuz I value my emotional state over the outcome of a mafia game.
Just want to point out you've been hostile and rude to me all game long and I've largely handled it with good faith but ... I can only exercise grace to a point.
Scotty has been silenced they cannot post or vote.
falcon was killed.
Stuff was switched but had zero bearing.
Several missed the deadline.
Deadline holiday's fault.
sig was: Russ Griswold blocker - block a player nightly, you are town.
@leetic fyi LC has redacted his claim as having a lie detector check on Rondo not an actual green check so I'm not sure the host would frame a truth as "1 player was found to be town" in that scenario?
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:49 pm
I don't comprehend how you could think I've arrived at this station on the train of thought as mafia. I'm blatantly town with confirmation I was blocked. That should be supremely obvious even if my logic isn't optimal.
I'm the one with confirmation I was blocked. The hell are you even saying?
Honestly, I'm confused on this one too. Mac is the guy with confirmation that HE blocked SOMEONE. Not that he was blocked. LEetic is the one with confirmation that he was blocked.
Confirmation I blocked. I simply mis-spoke. How confusing LC. You've caught me in a typographical error. I shall never live it down.
Don't treat me like I'm up your ass about it. You're the one who mis-typed, that's fine, just tell me.
Saying you're confused when it's easily explained as a typo felt like a mild accusation to me.
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:48 pm
is the acronym CFTWR?
What
caught for the wrong reasons
LOL I was proud when I got it as "Can't Fucking Tell Who's Right".
I was targeted and successfully roleblocked someone.
Silence was prevented as per host.
Leetic was roleblocked.
I think at least exploring this was a reasonable path for me to take no? I can't be expected going in to account for every piece of information Leetic has stated in his defense.
I think the omgus and vitriol hurled back at me is of the unreasonable amount given this.
I don't think that your reflexive roleblock would extend to powers not used on you. As in, the silence would be blocked, but the Oracle wouldn't.
Surely this whole idea that Oracle was roleblocked falls apart at the part where nobody would prioritise roleblocking an Oracle?
Like take all the silence and Mac part away. Doesn't it make more sense he's just lying about being roleblocked to cover for the fact he lied about the role in the first place?
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:49 pm
I don't comprehend how you could think I've arrived at this station on the train of thought as mafia. I'm blatantly town with confirmation I was blocked. That should be supremely obvious even if my logic isn't optimal.
I'm the one with confirmation I was blocked. The hell are you even saying?
Honestly, I'm confused on this one too. Mac is the guy with confirmation that HE blocked SOMEONE. Not that he was blocked. LEetic is the one with confirmation that he was blocked.
Confirmation I blocked. I simply mis-spoke. How confusing LC. You've caught me in a typographical error. I shall never live it down.
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:48 pm
is the acronym CFTWR?
What
caught for the wrong reasons
LOL I was proud when I got it as "Can't Fucking Tell Who's Right".
I was targeted and successfully roleblocked someone.
Silence was prevented as per host.
Leetic was roleblocked.
I think at least exploring this was a reasonable path for me to take no? I can't be expected going in to account for every piece of information Leetic has stated in his defense.
I think the omgus and vitriol hurled back at me is of the unreasonable amount given this.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:49 pm
I don't comprehend how you could think I've arrived at this station on the train of thought as mafia. I'm blatantly town with confirmation I was blocked. That should be supremely obvious even if my logic isn't optimal.
I'm the one with confirmation I was blocked. The hell are you even saying?
I don't comprehend how you could think I've arrived at this station on the train of thought as mafia. I'm blatantly town with confirmation I was blocked. That should be supremely obvious even if my logic isn't optimal.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:38 pm
"If I was Mafia silencer and failed what other reason can there be for no silence d1?"
I wasn't targeted n0 in retrospect. I had no mod confirmation until today so n2 is the first night I was actually targeted by anyone in this game.
You having been roleblocked by your own admission on n2 but your role still working negates the argument that your d1 host message would have failed if you were stopped n0.
Therefore the lack of day 1 silence can be explained via a few means.
1. You were roleblocked by someone else in the act of targeting someone else.
2. The silence role was not usable on n0 (which makes sense cuz imagine being silenced on day 1 like...)
3. The silence is an odd night mafia ability not an even night one.
4. The silence is part of a set of joat abilities ie. has to be selected.
5. The silence is not a mafia role at all and you aren't the silencer and reality is an illusion or some other this whole thing is a mistake based argument.
What's more important to me is you confirming you were blocked while having a role that mafia shouldnt prioritise blocking, me knowing I was targeted and you not being candid about having not targeted me.
What do you mean my role was "still working"? Have you even read the SoD post?
1. If true, my ability would've failed N0 yet it worked.
2. The hosts explicitly said that only killing actions weren't usable N0.
3. If true, me being roleblocked tonight has absolutely no bearing on me being the potential silencer, as there would have been no silence regardless.
4. See number 3.
5. Was it really that hard?
I'm honestly wondering if town would really be this dense
Trust me I've been dealing with your tunneling all game so if you are town you should know the answer to that through self reflection.
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:39 pm
I do think the silencer targeted Mac, but the absence of Leetic's Oracle in the host post lends great credence to his claim of being blocked.
Yeah but he can be roleblocked in the act of doing multiple things.
I think it's unlikely that he's an Oracle-Silencer combo role.
Mafia two function roles are common.
Mafia might not have specific roles and may only have factional roles.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:38 pm
"If I was Mafia silencer and failed what other reason can there be for no silence d1?"
I wasn't targeted n0 in retrospect. I had no mod confirmation until today so n2 is the first night I was actually targeted by anyone in this game.
You having been roleblocked by your own admission on n2 but your role still working negates the argument that your d1 host message would have failed if you were stopped n0.
Therefore the lack of day 1 silence can be explained via a few means.
1. You were roleblocked by someone else in the act of targeting someone else.
2. The silence role was not usable on n0 (which makes sense cuz imagine being silenced on day 1 like...)
3. The silence is an odd night mafia ability not an even night one.
4. The silence is part of a set of joat abilities ie. has to be selected.
5. The silence is not a mafia role at all and you aren't the silencer and reality is an illusion or some other this whole thing is a mistake based argument.
What's more important to me is you confirming you were blocked while having a role that mafia shouldnt prioritise blocking, me knowing I was targeted and you not being candid about having not targeted me.
What do you mean my role was "still working"? Have you even read the SoD post?
1. If true, my ability would've failed N0 yet it worked.
2. The hosts explicitly said that only killing actions weren't usable N0.
3. If true, me being roleblocked tonight has absolutely no bearing on me being the potential silencer, as there would have been no silence regardless.
4. See number 3.
5. Was it really that hard?
I'm honestly wondering if town would really be this dense
Trust me I've been dealing with your tunneling all game so if you are town you should know the answer to that through self reflection.
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:39 pm
I do think the silencer targeted Mac, but the absence of Leetic's Oracle in the host post lends great credence to his claim of being blocked.
Yeah but he can be roleblocked in the act of doing multiple things.
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:40 pm
Mac, I targeted you N0.
I did not receive host feedback I successfully prevented an ability being used on me until n2. You were blocked by some other means or the host forgot to give me feedback d1.
"If I was Mafia silencer and failed what other reason can there be for no silence d1?"
I wasn't targeted n0 in retrospect. I had no mod confirmation until today so n2 is the first night I was actually targeted by anyone in this game.
You having been roleblocked by your own admission on n2 but your role still working negates the argument that your d1 host message would have failed if you were stopped n0.
Therefore the lack of day 1 silence can be explained via a few means.
1. You were roleblocked by someone else in the act of targeting someone else.
2. The silence role was not usable on n0 (which makes sense cuz imagine being silenced on day 1 like...)
3. The silence is an odd night mafia ability not an even night one.
4. The silence is part of a set of joat abilities ie. has to be selected.
5. The silence is not a mafia role at all and you aren't the silencer and reality is an illusion or some other this whole thing is a mistake based argument.
What's more important to me is you confirming you were blocked while having a role that mafia shouldnt prioritise blocking, me knowing I was targeted and you not being candid about having not targeted me.
If I'm really the silencer, how come there was no silence D1? My role succeeded, as can be confirmed by the mod post
You targeted Mac. Is there a better target for Wolves to silence?
If I was roleblocked N0, my Oracle ability would have been blocked as well, but it wasn't
Also, why would I try to silence Mac again after it failed? Wouldn't wolf!me find it more fruitful to silence you so you couldn't post any investigative results?
But you were roleblocked n2 and it worked. So why would you think it'd fail n0 if you were roleblocked?
And who said you tried to silence me the first time?
And LC was targeted with the NK imo.
If I didn't try to silence you, then why was there no silence D1? The only explanation would be me intentionally withholding my shot, but why would I not use such a powerful role as a wolf? Further, my role is 100% confirmable and it would be a mistake to lynch me today when we can get a larger sample size of information.
So you did try to silence me on n0? That seems to be what you're implying.
I'm not the fucking silencer, which should be obvious with just a slight application of Occam's razor. I'm just pointing out the obvious holes in logic of assuming I am when my ability is 100% confirmable
Host confirms no silence.
You confirm you were roleblocked.
I confirm I was targeted and successfully blocked someone.
Your role is a non threatening passive so you shouldn't be a mafia roleblock target.
Occam's razor doesn't say what you think it does. It says you're mafia silencer.
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:25 pm
The speed of that double denial
He more or less just admitted to targeting me with silence on n0 as well mind you. Which was not previously confirmed.
I just feel like... okay this is dumb I think but I've been thinking on it and every defense seems to be well the mod said blah and I'm wondering if the reason they have these mod baked defenses is a role
I know what you were thinking.
Ultimately he's saying.
"If I was Mafia silencer that means I targeted you on n0 and failed because what other reason can there be for no silence on d1. But I successfully used my role on day 1 so I was clearly not roleblocked because otherwise it'd have failed, but I was roleblocked n2 and my role worked."
So he's contradicted himself anyway because his own self defense argument is defeated by his own claim to have been roleblocked n2 with his role having worked.
He's hiding behind information advantage. I'd say the implication is more likely something like the silence is a factional action that can be carried or maybe even the mod poster is a factional.
If that's true how was I not CC'd? It can't be that falcon is the Oracle, as the role is mentioned in the host posts after his death
You can be both roles. Or you can be not Oracle but a mafia teammate might be.
If I'm really the silencer, how come there was no silence D1? My role succeeded, as can be confirmed by the mod post
You targeted Mac. Is there a better target for Wolves to silence?
If I was roleblocked N0, my Oracle ability would have been blocked as well, but it wasn't
Also, why would I try to silence Mac again after it failed? Wouldn't wolf!me find it more fruitful to silence you so you couldn't post any investigative results?
But you were roleblocked n2 and it worked. So why would you think it'd fail n0 if you were roleblocked?
And who said you tried to silence me the first time?
And LC was targeted with the NK imo.
If I didn't try to silence you, then why was there no silence D1? The only explanation would be me intentionally withholding my shot, but why would I not use such a powerful role as a wolf? Further, my role is 100% confirmable and it would be a mistake to lynch me today when we can get a larger sample size of information.
So you did try to silence me on n0? That seems to be what you're implying.
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:22 pm
Is it possible mafia has a like announcement modifying role like they can make the host passively confirm things that aren't true?
That's almost bastardish? I vote no to that idea.
It's a very common role. It's just town crier. Hosts don't usually caveat that you can't lie with it but they usually do clarify that it's a cry.
I mean the idea that they put in a Town Crier, and then let the Mafia mess with what's true or false, making him a Town Liar.
Town crier isn't necessarily a village role. It's just the name of the role.
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:22 pm
Is it possible mafia has a like announcement modifying role like they can make the host passively confirm things that aren't true?
That's almost bastardish? I vote no to that idea.
It's a very common role. It's just town crier. Hosts don't usually caveat that you can't lie with it but they usually do clarify that it's a cry.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:13 pm
Leetic has a passive role that I doubt wolves would roleblock.
I have a reflexive roleblocker.
Leetic was roleblocked.
Nobody was silenced (host confirmed no less).
...
Leetic probably targeted me with silence.
Therefore Leetic is unclaimed silencer who likes silencing townies and is mafia.
If that's true how was I not CC'd? It can't be that falcon is the Oracle, as the role is mentioned in the host posts after his death
You can be both roles. Or you can be not Oracle but a mafia teammate might be.
If I'm really the silencer, how come there was no silence D1? My role succeeded, as can be confirmed by the mod post
You targeted Mac. Is there a better target for Wolves to silence?
If I was roleblocked N0, my Oracle ability would have been blocked as well, but it wasn't
Also, why would I try to silence Mac again after it failed? Wouldn't wolf!me find it more fruitful to silence you so you couldn't post any investigative results?
But you were roleblocked n2 and it worked. So why would you think it'd fail n0 if you were roleblocked?
And who said you tried to silence me the first time?
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:22 pm
Is it possible mafia has a like announcement modifying role like they can make the host passively confirm things that aren't true?
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:46 pm
although it sounds like maybe Long Con got feedback that he was attacked? unclear to me
No, that's not true. Mac is the one who says he got attacked, and that he got feedback telling him so.
Only ever said I was targeted.
That's not true. You said "looks like I absorbed the NK".
I clarified after the fact. And at that time didn't have the further host clarification and also was partially reaction testing and partially spooked by you revealing yourself as a decepticon.
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:16 pm
LC, were u attacked?
I don't know. I think it would be highly unusual to tell a player that they were attacked if it didn't go through, but given my experience with these hosts, I wouldn't rule it out. That said... I don't know if I was attacked. Seems likely. I assumed Rondo or myself being protected is the reason for the no-kill.
I can't speak about your supposed feedback. You got feedback that someone tried to kill you, but failed?
I got feedback I was targeted and now it turns out you were bsing about your role.
Why did you claim full cop instead of just the truth?
I wanted the Wolves to try to kill me.
Why would you want them to kill you?
Because I won a protection for last night by correctly stating to the Host that the Griswold house is the same one as in Hocus Pocus.
Although they were looking for Bewitched, but they accepted my answer because it was also right.
You claimed before that game was played my guy.
That's not relevant? I claimed what I needed to to save Rondo. "Clark Griswold" and "I checked Rondo".
Cmon man its clearly relevant. You hard claimed cop before you had the means to eat the NK so to say you did it in order to do so is a blatant falsity.
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:08 pm
confused that indicates he wasn’t targeted* and lc is the person to hard claim if he was targeted for the kill and protected
LC was probably targeted I was just annoyed by the FPS. It seems more likely that Leetic targeted me tbh.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:54 pm
So leetic the person who discovers psuedo host controlled truths about the game was roleblocked over a claimed cop...
Neat.
makes me think maybe double targeting isnt in this game?
or also maybe scum thought rb’ing would prevent getting the statements at all
but also. perhaps mister LC did eat the nk. can rb the oracle if you think the “cop” is supposed to die
LC would’ve been informed if mac was
huh?
you said you were targeted for the kill and lc was confused
No I said I was targeted. And how does that equal LC wouldn't been informed if Mac was?
My role is specifically to reflexively roleblock. He said he had a single use protection. They are not the same mechanic.
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 12:01 pm
The first statement is that no one has voted for a baddie yet, the second is that there's a janitor (again), and the third is that someone is getting a curse. The second will appear in the phase update.
Well, the third was proven true. Are there even enough people who haven't been voted for the first to be true?
Doesn't your role imply that the other two statements must be false if one is true?
No, two are true and one is false
K well there's a janitor then cuz it's appeared twice and the first sentence is virtually impossible to be true unless Roxy decided to put no mafia in this game and is full on trolling.
We know from my previous statements that there has to be two or three mafia
If you can clarify whether it means has ever been voted or was being voted at eod that'd be nice.
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:01 pm
I hard claim that my role is exactly as claimed and if you wanna kill me for it you can
Aight well the alternative is that Leetic is the silencer and tried to silence me hence why he's roleblocked because I 100% successfully blocked someone targeting me and refuse to believe anyone actively roleblocked Leetic.
Possible and indeed maybe probable but I targeted tutuu and my feedback heavily implies someone absorbed my block and a silence
Meaning both exist in the game
I believe it was Scotty and his message asking me to target someone tonight was to verify my role
Is there a reason to suspect this is impossible?
Yeh so it seems Scotty is a lightning rod but what do you mean your feedback implies "and a silence"?
I can't speak about your supposed feedback. You got feedback that someone tried to kill you, but failed?
Because I won a protection for last night by correctly stating to the Host that the Griswold house is the same one as in Hocus Pocus.