The Syndicate

This is interesting. How sig got more votes after the forced votes is strange to say the least.

Does anyone not have a scum read on Elo?

It seems like everyone thinks she is a badder, Metalmarsh kept serious distance between them and she somehow got zero votes.

If that ain't a scummer I dunno what is.

Elohcin is best lynch candidate. Do her.

FZ. wrote:The only reason Mac is getting a free pass this game, at least from me, is that he's acting very different from TH game. But I know that if he got a baddie role again, he'd do his damnedest to look different. What has Mac done for the town so far? It's like every day he has this silly reason for not really getting himself dirty with the lynch. Day 1, it was the policy vote. Day 2, I don't even remember what it was, but he wasn't there in the midst of things. I think he didn't vote. Day 3, he happened to have been forced to vote.

Any thoughts on this?

I do. Have you read my ISO or are you just throwing shade on me to see what happens? I had my vote cancelled yesterday and my vote is controlled today. Someone is trying to make me look bad.

FZ. wrote:So basically, every player I brought up today, has someone vouching for him/her except for Floyd.

I vouched for him at some point. I think Metalmarsh's interactions with him make him look like town.

Golden wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:But I want to know what people think of Floyd.
I would not complain about a Floyd lynch. I think his behaviour looks like a baddie. And either way it would put the day two voting into clearer context.

@zebra - lol about me showing many examples of disingenuous opportunistic behaviour. You are absurd and baffling. I've never quite experienced this thing people sometimes get with me, where they almost feel like their lynch would be cathartic just to prove me wrong. I'm beginning to understand with you. I've never met anyone whose tunneling is quite as blind to all external factors other than their own opinions. At least if you were actually right, I could assume it is based on you having info. But I know it isn't.

When you get to know me, you will learn that I don't even do 'many disingenuous things' when I'm bad.

Have you met Matt?

Gone fishen

I am not sure house claiming isn't going to break the game? Especially if what FZ just asked is legal. That being said I am Atriedes.

What kind of set up you thinking bea? Scum trying to get sig lynched kind?

It's not tied to the emoticon

Zebra you can choose to believe that I am incapable of comprehending the English language if you want, or you can choose to believe that perhaps you are struggling to convey your own points, or you can choose to believe that I am a bad guy and intentionally misunderstanding your points to suit my agenda. It's not the case, otherwise why would I now be trying to extrapolate the truth and backing away from you?

Inb4 I am doing that because I don't want you on my ass. Let me stop you right there and say do I actually seem like someone who would do that?

a2thezebra wrote:
MacDougall wrote: Okay I maybe just misunderstood your posts then.
Yeah right, what else is new? You used that excuse constantly when I was Zebra 1, too. I didn't buy it then and I don't buy it now.

Don't snip my post when the other part is relevant. I never felt like you had real suspicion on me. It is how it is.

a2thezebra wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Zebra when and where have you had a scum read on me? I can't find anything on that subject. This is the first I've heard of it I think?
This is the first I've mentioned it as Zebra 2.0. But if you really can't find anything from my posts as Zebra 1.0 (also known as a confirmed civvie) suggesting that your behavior was scum-motivated, then it re-affirms my suspicion that it was not that you were failing to read my posts, but instead that you were acting as if you were on purpose to influence my mislynch along with Golden, and it worked. You thought it was "civ vs. civ" right up until Golden suggested that those saying it was a "civ vs. civ" conflict were suspicious, after all.
Nope, you didn't call me scum at all. Show me the posts. You have never said you had a scum read and you barely even insinuated that my motivation could be scum led. This is the first you've mentioned it. Ergo it doesn't re-affirm anything because this is the first affirmation.
I think I've addressed this bullshit to end all bullshits. Moving on.

MacDougall wrote:You are way better a player as town than to be caught up in the idea you just put forth. That's far-fetched as hell. Do you genuinely think scum would just outwardly ally together on day 1 to get a random civ lynched?
It's not an irrational suggestion because I'm not dead set that you are a team, nor did I imply that (putting words in my mouth again I see). I think it is more likely that one of you are scum and the other is not, which is another reason why I have been more quiet towards the two of you in my second incarnation.

MacDougall wrote:So why did you just infer that you've maintained an obvious scum read on me and why have you been interacting with me without so much as anything to indicate I am a scum read, and if you have a scum read of me, what do you make of my interactions with Elohcin who you have a huge scum read on?
I made clear as soon as I was reborn in the thread that I would not pursue the initial Golden conflict (until town wakes up of course), and since my suspicions of you were tied to that, that goes for you as well. I did not imply that my scum read of you was obvious, I even stated that I had not even mentioned it as Zebra 2 until just now, so why put words in my mouth that are directly contradicted by the very post that you're responding to? That is just plain lazy scum behavior. As for your reactions with Elohcin, the day is young. You act as if each of my reads have to be based on the assumption that each of my other reads are one hundred percent positive, and that would be lazy scumhunting, wouldn't it?

Bullshit to end all bullshits? That is a really strong reaction Zebra...

Did the below post not infer that Golden and I were working in tandem in the thread to get you lynched? I can see how it can be taken both ways. Can't you?

a2thezebra wrote:but instead that you were acting as if you were on purpose to influence my mislynch along with Golden, and it worked. You thought it was "civ vs. civ" right up until Golden suggested that those saying it was a "civ vs. civ" conflict were suspicious, after all.

You aren't chasing me individually because you don't want the town to be swamped by tunnelingesque cases (heh this is like in the other thread innit)?

Okay I maybe just misunderstood your posts then. I really hadn't felt pressured from you at all. Even initial you.

Yeah you just quoted a lot of posts where we were talking but barely any of that was aggression. Most of it was defensive. I said you barely insinuated that I was scum. You've never outright said I was. The closest you got was in one post there you said that I "wasn't looking good" or whatever.

Fact remains, the fact that you have an outright scum read on me is an entirely new revelation.

a2thezebra wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Zebra when and where have you had a scum read on me? I can't find anything on that subject. This is the first I've heard of it I think?
This is the first I've mentioned it as Zebra 2.0. But if you really can't find anything from my posts as Zebra 1.0 (also known as a confirmed civvie) suggesting that your behavior was scum-motivated, then it re-affirms my suspicion that it was not that you were failing to read my posts, but instead that you were acting as if you were on purpose to influence my mislynch along with Golden, and it worked. You thought it was "civ vs. civ" right up until Golden suggested that those saying it was a "civ vs. civ" conflict were suspicious, after all.

Nope, you didn't call me scum at all. Show me the posts. You have never said you had a scum read and you barely even insinuated that my motivation could be scum led. This is the first you've mentioned it. Ergo it doesn't re-affirm anything because this is the first affirmation.

You are way better a player as town than to be caught up in the idea you just put forth. That's far-fetched as hell. Do you genuinely think scum would just outwardly ally together on day 1 to get a random civ lynched?

So why did you just infer that you've maintained an obvious scum read on me and why have you been interacting with me without so much as anything to indicate I am a scum read, and if you have a scum read of me, what do you make of my interactions with Elohcin who you have a huge scum read on?

Golden wrote:
Matt F wrote:And regarding SVS, you really think I would say that to her had I tried to kill her? C'mon dude, really?
Like you say, there was no evidence there was any kill attempt on SVS.

But, it was an oddly specific question. Do you have a reason to believe SVS would have survived that day, if she was targetted for a kill?

Matt - I'm interested in lynching Harkonnens, which I do not currently think you are. You seem remarkably defensive, but my intent in this line of questioning has been to figure out what is going on with you, which I think is kind of important.

I think you're right. I think Matt is from another faction that has kills that have failed.

Zebra when and where have you had a scum read on me? I can't find anything on that subject. This is the first I've heard of it I think?

Matt just so you know it's in the interests of further exploring your potential non civ alignment to not actually clue you into what you said wrong.

Linki: Floyd have you read your win con?

a2thezebra wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Matt F wrote:My bad. That was Golden with the indeed.

I thought three different players were coming after me for saying what I thought was obvious to everyone.

Yes, I get panicky when I'm suspected. I get panicky and suspicious as hell when I'm suspected for something like this. I STILL don't understand where you think I slipped?
The fact that you still don't after Golden and I have continued to elaborate just makes it more obvious unfortunately Matt.
That's just it though, I feel like if he had actually been caught he wouldn't STILL be faking not knowing what we're talking about.

Golden what do you make of this post by Zebra?

Matt F wrote:Let me ask you Mac.

Without me saying a word about it...

What were your feelings on the Fremen, the Emperor, and The Smuggler? Did you think that, just perhaps, they might also have kills available to them?

No, I don't see it. Explain it please.

Lol, no it genuinely never crossed my mind. The enemy is clear to me.

a2thezebra wrote:Matt makes some pretty wild assumptions about the game. His constant Day 0 speculation for example. It's a bit bizarre to me, but it's not out-of-character for him to assume that another faction will start killing. It might be a scumslip but I'm not nearly as dead set on it as you and Golden, Mac.

linki - I'm not dismissing it, and you are right that his reaction is a bit paranoid, but if he's honestly baffled as to what exactly he's being accused of, then it would make sense. I'd like to hear more from him first before biting down on a conclusion to this.

As would I. I'm not saying let's lynch him right now. I'm playing this out. He's currently bleeding tells.

Matt F wrote:My bad. That was Golden with the indeed.

I thought three different players were coming after me for saying what I thought was obvious to everyone.

Yes, I get panicky when I'm suspected. I get panicky and suspicious as hell when I'm suspected for something like this. I STILL don't understand where you think I slipped?

The fact that you still don't after Golden and I have continued to elaborate just makes it more obvious unfortunately Matt.

a2thezebra wrote:I see it, and I don't think it's a scumslip.

You should be less quick to dismiss things Zebra. I posted an emoticon and he totally flipped out. I don't think the post in and of itself is inexplicable but his reaction deserves pause.

a2thezebra wrote:I don't see the big deal with Matt's bolded comment. That seems speculative to me. I was referring to the connection between Eloh and Ni.

So you don't see what Golden and I both see?

Does nobody else?

Matt F wrote:
Golden wrote:@Matt - I will now elaborate. Did you read your win condition?
Yes, I have. Also, is there some of your post missing, because I thought you said you were going to elaborate?

Linki

Linki - I am panicked. Suddenly you, Golden, and Eloh are all up in arms for me stating the obvious. I don't like whatever is going on and I don't understand the suspicion, frankly.

Linki

Why do you keep saying Eloh is up in arms about it? Where has she commented on your post that Golden and I are referring to?

a2thezebra wrote:
Matt F wrote:
sig wrote:Wait what, three votes at the start of the day why?
What do you think of FZ and Turnip? Have you already said?

How about this, do you think Elohcin knew that Niju would be taken off the poll today? Elohcin was taken off the poll the day before right?

I noticed Harkonnen killed again. So the other factions aren't killing (as of yet).
I approve of this observation.

Really?

sig wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
sig wrote:Matt shouldn't come back until the day ends

poll was reset and he was one of the three to "vote" for me, it was a joke.

Lol sorry but if he did that I'd have been angry.

Matt F wrote:

Something is happening here...

But I will elaborate.

There are several factions to the game.

House Atreides - I believe these to be the civilians, so the only kill they get as a faction is through lynches.

Team Harkonnen - They killed Night 1. They killed Night 2. Obv this is Mafia.

The Fremen - It looks to be another group, and there has already been discussion in this very thread about the possibility of multiple mafia groups

Team Emperor = See what I said about the Fremen

The Smuggler - Looks like an indy

It was interesting to me that on Night 1 and 2, only team Harkonnen killed. So that means, either they will be the only ones killing the rest of the game, or each of the other factions may have a kill or two whenever they want to use it (ie "as of yet" in my previous statement)

Honestly here, I was stating what was the obvious, just to get it out there, and suddenly Golden, Mac (who to my knowledge also voted SIG right away, wtf) and Eloh are all up in arms about it!

Eloh hasn't even commented on it? And what does me voting Sig have anything to do with this? You sound panicked as hell.

sig wrote:Matt shouldn't come back until the day ends

Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Matt F wrote:
sig wrote:Wait what, three votes at the start of the day why?
I noticed Harkonnen killed again. So the other factions aren't killing (as of yet).

Indeed.

MacDougall wrote:Elaborate further Matthew.

Matt F wrote:
Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Matt F wrote:
sig wrote:Wait what, three votes at the start of the day why?
I noticed Harkonnen killed again. So the other factions aren't killing (as of yet).

Indeed.
Say what? What are you suspicious of Mac?

And before Mac answers, I'd like Elohcin to elaborate first since she apparently agrees with him. Elohcin?

Golden wrote:Hey Matt. Before Mac answers, how about YOU elaborate further?

Elohcin has nothing to do with this Matt. Explain your reasoning for the bolded.

Eloh ignore Matt.

Matt please explain your post.

MacDougall wrote:Elaborate further Matthew.

Matt F wrote:
Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Matt F wrote:
sig wrote:Wait what, three votes at the start of the day why?
I noticed Harkonnen killed again. So the other factions aren't killing (as of yet).

Indeed.
Say what? What are you suspicious of Mac?

And before Mac answers, I'd like Elohcin to elaborate first since she apparently agrees with him. Elohcin?

Elaborate further Matthew.

Matt F wrote:
sig wrote:Wait what, three votes at the start of the day why?
I noticed Harkonnen killed again. So the other factions aren't killing (as of yet).

Elohcin wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:@Mac - Eloh ended up with no votes because she wasn't on the poll. Does that change your view?
Niju tried to vote for her though right?
Yes, but if they were teammates together do you think ninja would have had more awareness that she wasn't on the poll and not made that post, or do you think the 'trying to vote for her' would have been part of the ruse?
It certainly changes my opinion. The scenario is less likely. Don't overlook the fact that they could just as easily have not communicated. Niju might have made that post without conferring with Elo or the team. I feel like the assumption that the scum are always communicating at every waking moment is quite false.

But yes, less likely. I still like scum being in that duo there.

What is your read on that play?
This would be a cool baddie move, but it isn't what happened b/c I am not bad and have no BTSC with Niju. I am not sure of her alliance however.

Well of course you would say that. If you aren't bad then why did you choose to vote for Niju and not actually play a part in the final vote of a tied lynch?

Everything about this sucks.

Voting for sig

Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:What is your read on that play?
I agree with your read that there is scum in there. Ninja voting for eloh, and then for sig, felt much more like an MM teammate looking for a wagon that could overtake the MM wagon, than eloh's vote for ninja did. To me.

Just a curly curious one. Why did you add that last sentence?

MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:@Mac - Eloh ended up with no votes because she wasn't on the poll. Does that change your view?
Niju tried to vote for her though right?
Yes, but if they were teammates together do you think ninja would have had more awareness that she wasn't on the poll and not made that post, or do you think the 'trying to vote for her' would have been part of the ruse?
It certainly changes my opinion. The scenario is less likely. Don't overlook the fact that they could just as easily have not communicated. Niju might have made that post without conferring with Elo or the team. I feel like the assumption that the scum are always communicating at every waking moment is quite false.

But yes, less likely. I still like scum being in that duo there.

What is your read on that play?

Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:@Mac - Eloh ended up with no votes because she wasn't on the poll. Does that change your view?
Niju tried to vote for her though right?
Yes, but if they were teammates together do you think ninja would have had more awareness that she wasn't on the poll and not made that post, or do you think the 'trying to vote for her' would have been part of the ruse?

It certainly changes my opinion. The scenario is less likely. Don't overlook the fact that they could just as easily have not communicated. Niju might have made that post without conferring with Elo or the team. I feel like the assumption that the scum are always communicating at every waking moment is quite false.

But yes, less likely. I still like scum being in that duo there.

What is your read on that play?

Golden wrote:@Mac - Eloh ended up with no votes because she wasn't on the poll. Does that change your view?

Niju tried to vote for her though right?

nijuukyugou wrote:Caught up, at least with reading. Nothing thorough.

Turnip Head wrote:Welp, rest in peace BR.

I'm looking at Floyd and Blooper right now. I think Dracondevin made an astute observation about Floyd's vote and subsequent explanation so I want to hear Floyd's response. And I think Blooper is doing that pop-in pop-out thing where she just comments on the thread goings-on and scrams. Her zebra vote didn't feel genuine to me.
This is...how I play all the time?

Elohcin wrote:Okay, so I haven't finished catching up. I still have to read all of page 16, but I have spent a good amount of time this afternoon reading players individually. I'm a pretty easily convinced mafia player so I decided that reading players individually and forming my own opinion for today would be better than reading the last page of the thread and listening to others' opinions. Anyway....all this to say, I am voting for niju. Her lack of input pings me. Although she is normally a low poster, she is still a helpful, influential low poster. The way she is acting now seems like her baddie self. Niju
My input has been pretty lacking in this game, I agree. I don't agree that I'm influential - I feel, by and large, that my posts go ignored unless they're used as fodder for lynching me (which may be a result of most of my posts' being recaps for the benefit of gathering my thoughts, but still). This suspicion appears contrived.

There are tons of things to talk about, but I would like to make dinner and I've given myself an hour limit for catch-up and posting, and that hour is running out. I want to vote for Eloh (and of course that looks NO-U'ey as hell after she votes me :P ) But her name has been thrown around by several people without much action. I feel like her posts have been snippier in nature than I remember in...well, any game, really, but it doesn't read civ to me (it could be a result of being sick, so sorry if it's that!). There's a gut feeling I can't shake about her, and I've felt like that since this post, where she latches quickly onto what might become a Zebra train but lets it fade away into nothingness and doesn't vote.

So, I'm voting Eloh. Now, time to experiment with quinoa for the first time ever!

This post is a little bit of Gold. Niju ended the day with the only vote on Eloh and Eloh ended the day with the only vote on Niju. Neither reasons look great.

Elohcin's vote looks bad because it seems to me to be scum vote 101. It could easily be scum distancing from another scum, or voting on a wagon that she knows is not going to take off.

Niju's vote reason is just totally weird. Snippier in nature?

I wouldn't be surprised if this is two scum distancing from one another.

S~V~S wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I've seen this said a few times now. Why do you not put out your reads during the night?

If you are town and the scum kill you we have your thoughts. The scum killing a town version of you seems unlikely to me since you have a bit of suspicion on you.

I don't get it?
The way we used to play it, and some hosts still do, was that you had to be alive to win. So being alive pwns being helpful. It is just kind of ingrained in us. I have no problems talking in the night for the most part, but I have no problems with others not doing so if they prefer.

And yeah, you're tunneling. Or at least, you're wrong. It could well be as FZ says and none of the FLoyd voters were bad. But regardless of the affiliation of the others, I am a civ, and you can take that to the Guild Bank

I'm not tunneling, truly. I am just trying to rationalise how and why it would be a bus. I don't think it was and I can't see how a civ minded person would think it was. If there is scum on the wagon it would have been from an early vote getting stuck, and you fit that bill better than others. I think it's more likely that the entire wagon is civs, because there are only 5 on there. I'm not used to seeing scum busses that don't succeed overhwhelmingly. That's why I'm also inclined to think that the last two Floyd votes were townies. When scum make actions around votes they need to be efficient and successful. This lynch doesn't feel scum influenced at all.

Thanks for the clarification.

Turnip Head wrote:I think it's possible that MM's teammates saw the writing on the wall and knew they had to give him up. I'm sure they paid close attention to Sorsha's posts, and who was following her lead.

I also think it's possible that Floyd is bad and that, given the choice between the two, the other teammates decided it was better to vote for MM over Floyd because of Sorsha's certainty. Especially considering that MM did not put up much of a fight.

I don't think you really believe this.

bea wrote:
S~V~S wrote:The way those votes struck me was this; one of the two of you, possibly both, are bad. And the lynch was tied between a baddie & a civvie. And the self voters did not want to vote for a teammate, and they did not want to be the tie breaker final vote on a civ. I have done similar things when bad, tangent voting, and self voting is a tangent vote.

I could totally be wrong, but that was how it struck me at the time.
I'm asking you SVS - I don't care about other people's opinions righ now. Your post convinced me we are on the same side. I care what you think of me.

Which S-V-S post convinced you she was a civ bea?

bea wrote:Nope. Because I don't have bts with anyone.

and also fyi - other's that have played with me can contradict me if they think I'm misrepresenting myself, but I don't self vote often. I've only done it if I literally don't know what's going on in the thread and I can't make a decision. I've only ever done it day one. It's something I reserve for when I feel even random feels like I could hurt someone.

I adore Floyd and we've had some completely nongame related conversations, but IDK why he did what he did. I look forward to the day we are teammates, but today is not that day.

this was my respnose to that quote.

I'm sorry I effed it all up.

I'm sorry if I was redundent in explanation.

There is a little bit of flavour to this one. Rather than outwardly saying you aren't scum you just mention that you aren't teammates.

Bea can you please show me other examples where you've self voted on day 1 as a civ?

Matt F wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Matt F wrote:SVS - This is going to sound weird, but I have a question.

Were you secure in the knowledge that you wouldn't be killed on Night 1 or did you fear for your safety as the rest of us did?
Matt, now that Metalmarsh is deceased can you please explain what your line of thought here was? I will note that he chose not to answer your question.
The question was directed to SVS, and she answered...

S~V~S wrote:I almost never "fear for my safety"; no guts no glory. But if you are asking if I had reason to think I was more likely to live that night than anyone else, no, I did not.

Oh my bad I was confused because he actually answered the question I think.

I've seen this said a few times now. Why do you not put out your reads during the night?

If you are town and the scum kill you we have your thoughts. The scum killing a town version of you seems unlikely to me since you have a bit of suspicion on you.

I don't get it?

I'm just looking through Metalmarsh's ISO. It's really quite unusual how little he fought against his lynch.

Here are some of the more interesting posts:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Floyd's description of my posts thus far is pretty accurate, and I think he's behaved differently than in his first game on this site, and I mean that in a good way. I know I've voted him, but I can't really endorse lynching him.

Elohcin on the other hand, looks to be in the same boat as me, just not really caught up. I don't think there are anything in her posts to call her good or bad.

I feel like here we have him actually telling us that Floyd is not scum. I don't think Floyd has behaved differently at all so for him to say that he has is weird. I would be inclined to think that his Floyd read is in the case of Floyd being lynched (which to him would be a likely thing to have happen) and him flipping town, Marsh would be able to pull an I told you so. If Floyd was scum, and both were up for lynch with no decent town wagon I would bet cold hard cash that the scum would bus Floyd over Marsh.

Perhaps a little bit intentionally unclear in his read on Elo? If Elohcin was town it would probably be prudent for him to be more decisive on his read on her, yet he chooses to not participate in that line of thought at all. A slight negative read on Elo from this.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Golden wrote:Marmot barely posted in this thread for days, and then suddenly appeared when people said it was suspicious. I don't think lynching him would be unfair - that's very odd behaviour for a marmot.
Do you have a problem with my impeccable timing?

Engaging in some bantz with Golden, which was a recurring theme.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Golden wrote:
bea wrote:Do you guys really think I'm bad? like really?
I don't think that this is quite what either of us said

But I do really think you could be bad. I just haven't figured you out yet.
Could be bad?

Well, anyone could be bad, whether you think it or not . :P

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Golden wrote:I'm busy knitting a stillsuit.
I'm calling bullsuit.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Golden wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also, votes are not changeable in this poll.
Or any other poll.
Oh hi Golden, long see, no time.

I see Golden put the last vote on Metalmarsh which at the time put him ahead on the vote count 5 to 3 and votes from Turnip Head and FZ tied it up. At face value this would appear to make Golden a hero of the lynch but considering the lynch almost got overtaken by the Floyd lynch at the last and these bantz posts rub me the wrong way, I'm going to have a bit more of a look at Golden's Metalmarsh posts after this.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Voted Turnip Head because I owe him one.

It would be so easy to say that Turnip Head tried to get Metalmarsh unlynched at the end of the day (because he did) and that this vote from Marsh on day 1 is quite clear scum distancing. A little too easy though. It'd be hard to argue that Turnip be put on trial hard for this but something about it feels wrong.

Conclusion:

Due to the fact that the lynch ended up tied I would say that it's unlikely there would be more than at most 1 scum on his bus, likely actually 0 and if there was it'd be someone who got their vote on him early and couldn't get it off, but even then that would just be something to consider later in the game because we can really only applaud them at face value. Out of all of them I'd say it'd be most likely to be S-V-S and I say that at risk of being accused of tunneling. I can't knock the fact that she voted on the lynch wagon of a scum and if she is civ I applaud her for it, just that if there were a bus on here it would be her and likely her alone.

It's probably prudent to point out that Marsh and I had quite a bit of interaction on day 1 and I think it reflects pretty well on me.

As for Turnip and FZ's votes. It's hard to look past them for certain. At 5-3 scum players embarking on a rescue mission is damn near suicide though, especially since they failed. I can't see Turnip or FZ as scum doing that without being sure they'd have the numbers to get it over the line and since there was no later votes on Marsh than there was on Floyd I find it hard to rationalise them as scum trying to save a scum buddy.

I feel like Metalmarsh has actually not communicated with most or all of the scum. I think we can probably make some headway looking for situations where Marsh appeared to actually avoid talking about or to players when he had cause to. This would bring bea and Elohcin heavily into calculations.

Matt F wrote:SVS - This is going to sound weird, but I have a question.

Were you secure in the knowledge that you wouldn't be killed on Night 1 or did you fear for your safety as the rest of us did?

Matt, now that Metalmarsh is deceased can you please explain what your line of thought here was? I will note that he chose not to answer your question.

Is anyone not?

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