The Syndicate

Draconus wrote:

Dom wrote:So are we gonna lynch Juliets today or nah?

Anyone would be better than voting for Mac again

HamburgerBoy wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Pretty sure the scum team just killed a scum player but in case I'm wrong my heartfelt sorrow that Typhoony be dead.

Didn't announce that the Withderdeath was responsible this time, though.

S~V~S wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Someone kill me

MacDougall wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I was kind of surprised that mac took all of those votes. I think he was rather surprised at the end, though, yeah. I really do think he has been intentionally trying to be a distraction, especially so early in the game.

I am not sure what the civs would gain from such distractionary tactics, so i am having problems viewing him as benign.

That's not what I am doing at all.

But surely you can see how it might look that way, can't you?

S~V~S wrote:I was kind of surprised that mac took all of those votes. I think he was rather surprised at the end, though, yeah. I really do think he has been intentionally trying to be a distraction, especially so early in the game.

I am not sure what the civs would gain from such distractionary tactics, so i am having problems viewing him as benign.

Typhoony wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Typhoony wrote:Good job not getting juliets lynched Mac.

What?

Good job not getting juliets lynched Mac.

Typhoony wrote:Good job not getting juliets lynched Mac.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Gird your loins.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Do you want to win tomorrow?

LoRab wrote:yeah, you've said that. I don't believe you. I think you actually are bad and are trying to save face by saying that you meant to do that.

LoRab wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

LoRab wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Well maybe I know why I wasn't lynched. Maybe I don't. Maybe it's obvious. Maybe it's not.

But I'm not scum. So maybe don't waste another lynch on me tomorrow.

Yeah, it's the you're not scum part that I don't at all believe.

I'm glad you think so.

Why is that?

LoRab wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Well maybe I know why I wasn't lynched. Maybe I don't. Maybe it's obvious. Maybe it's not.

But I'm not scum. So maybe don't waste another lynch on me tomorrow.

Yeah, it's the you're not scum part that I don't at all believe.

Golden wrote:Well, you weren't nowhere to be seen for long.

I voted summer, in honour of Olaf the Snowman.

Golden wrote:It would seem, superficially I admit, that if you wanted to get juliets lynched, then encouraging people to vote for you is not the best way to achieve that.

Golden wrote:Noooo, you don't want to die.

You just want to get lynched.

Exactly my point.

Golden wrote:Hey Mac - if this is really about your death and not getting power from votes...

Why don't you vote yourself? And, why are YOU voting juliets, while encouraging others to vote you?

Matt F wrote:Golden, in Dune you thought I was a recruit because I was defending the person you wanted lynched. Now you've got a ping because I believe you are telling the truth?

@Mac - Nah I'm good. If I think you're bad at some point I will.

juliets wrote:I'm going to vote Mac. I wish I could have found the right words to convince those of you who voted for me that I wasn't bad. Some of you know I'm not bad and you will not be surprised that I am civ. Some of you I think genuinely feel I'm bad but you will see that I am not. I've enjoyed playing with you all!

LoRab wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

LoRab wrote:And either you'll be lynched or you'll survive. I don't for a second believe that anything more will happen than that.

You're right. Nothing more at all.

I like how you say that in a way that is truthful, but can be read in a tone that is ominous.

Nothing happens when one votes for you, despite what you've implied before. I don't believe anything happens if you have the most votes.

LoRab wrote:And either you'll be lynched or you'll survive. I don't for a second believe that anything more will happen than that.

DFaraday wrote:Voting Floyd. He hasn't done much to convince me.

Typhoony wrote:I don't think Golden's case against Timmer is strong. So Timmer was in the vicinity of two kills. Ok.

I don't really like Timmer's responses, especially when it comes to the item thingy, because he himself very much implies he had something to do with it. But that seems to be pertaining the Epi kill, which seems to have happened toDay, not last Night. It's not enough to make me vote for him.

Golden wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Golden do you think you have a bit of an issue stating opinions as facts? Honest question.

Why would you frame it as an 'issue'?

LoRab wrote:

MacDougall wrote:You read some of the posts in that Talking Heads game right? Your post wasn't that long LoRab.

I thought we were friends early in the game. What happened? You changed. You used to be friendly to unusual creatures such as me but you turned on me LoRab. You turned on me bad and now we're not friends anymore and it pains me. It pains me LoRab.

We can still be friends. I mean, I think you're evil in this game, but that doesn't change friendship. I welcome you and I'm happy to have you playing--but I still think you're bad.

Hey--I've made some great friendships through accusations. I mean, some of my best friends are FEBS.

And that post was long by my current standards. I used to do really long posts (I once discovered that LP had a length limit, actually), but I gave that up long ago. I say what I need to say.

At any rate, yeah, I suspect you. I haven't changed. I just think you're bad.

HamburgerBoy wrote:Thanks for the clarification Long Con. I will then say that I was in the Chaos Wizard's tower is roughly in the southwest region of the map on day 5, and that there was someone already in the tower. Prior to reaching it, I had intended to meet a player (with whom I had earlier BTSC) a little north of where the tower is located, and ended up separated. The player I intended to meet is still alive, and someone I more or less trust. Of course, the separation should be unrelated to proximity to the tower due per the role description in the OP, but that's what happened.

LoRab wrote:Why I find Mac suspish, as per request:

Day 0, he makes a jokey post about voting for Matt on principle. It struck me as pseudo-on-topic-joke-post baddies sometimes make, but not as suspicious in and of itself. However, when called out on it, he waffled between it having been just a joke and he really meant it and votes for Matt until he's out of the game as a policy vote. Because Matt isn't helpful as a player in finding baddies and he, on principle, will always vote for Matt until Matt is dead in every game (which he seems to have dropped at some point). -

Also, retorting that finding valid reasons to vote for someone is pingy to him. Which actually fits in with his ongoing seemingly random naming of people.

Also, he put forth the question of there not being any bad roles, which perhaps was trying to get the focus away from there actually being baddies in this game. And trying to blow off suspicion from himself because we don't know the alignment of roles and if one suspects him of being a certain role, we can't konw if that role is good or bad. This section of conversation struck me as doubletalk, trying to evade suspicion.

He repeatedly mentions players and a sure sense of them being bad--or posts absolute statements of his opinion of players without qualifying why he feels that way or explaining anything. He often does this late in lynches, which strikes me as suspicious in and of itself.

Also, he claims that anyone who votes for him has bad consequences happen, and yet, I have not had any and voted for him day 1.

He calls anyone who suspects him opportunistic for pointing things that they find suspicious. And yet calls pingy anything that anyone posts that he doesn't agree with.

Also, he makes lots of posts, many of which are just 1 or 2 lines, wihch is a great way to keep one's post count up, without needing to add a great deal of content.

He ignores questions to him and about him that he doesn't feel like answering. And outright states that he's ignoring them, so it's not like he's missing them.

Also, he posted that he was scum--which could have been just joking around, but also why say that if you're civ?

He posted RIH to TH, which seemed like an odd response to a death caused by an apparent baddie.

He has waffled back and forth on Sig so many times that it makes my head spin.

He also impllied thathe can't be lynched at some point, but htat could have just been to get ttention of of him. It didn't seem like an honest plea at the time, as I pointed out at the time. It felt like a bluff.

He has been so wrapped up in his own opinions, that he has barely commented on anyone who has been lynched. Even though he has actively posted in lynches.

All in all, all that adds up to me suspecting him.

LoRab wrote:@Mac: You don't believe that I believe that you're bad?! Have you even read my posts? I've suspected you since day 0.

timmer wrote:Golden, you are leaping to assumptions and need to realize that you clearly (from my POV) do not know everything you think you know, and are ignoring what I'm trying to tell you (without busting the rules). I can honestly tell you that I had an item in my hands that was not what it seemed, and I had never heard the term Obsidian Dagger before Epig died from it today.

And as for me being passive, I've been passive in every game I've played in the last 6 months, except for when I've found conclusive proof that I wanted to pursue. I've made too many mistakes by only half paying attention and then leaping into poorly-formed suspicions, so I no longer do that until I'm sure. This has been my play as both baddie AND civ, and it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise. Also, you suggested that you thought my suspicion of you was not legit, but Golden, who is the one person who I know was near me when I died? Of COURSE I've been eyeing you all game, look back through my posts. And I've tried to ask people, when I could, what they thoguht of you.

I can't undo what happened last night, but you can realize that your assumptions about last night are NOt entirely accurate. I'm at work,so my posting will remain sporadic today.

What this sounds like to me is that you saw an item that said, "I'm a soft and furry, cute kitten that you can give to another player," which you then did, but it turned out to be an obsidian dagger and instead of fuzzy kitten joy, it ended up being a dagger that killed Epig. That sounds disingenuous at best.

And, really, if you see an item that says, "Hi! I'm harmless and you should give me to your friend," in a Long Rock game, you shouldn't believe the sign. You've been around long enough to know that. I'm not sure I believe your defense.

linkitis: I had a whole post yesterday on why I suspect you. It's not like this is out of the blue.

LoRab wrote:I trust Golden more than Mac. That said, I think Juliets is likely bad. I will likely vote Timmer, based on what Golden has posted, or Juliets.

Golden wrote:I'm not absolutely positive that timmer is bad.

I am only absolutely positive with the facts as I've presented them. He was in range for both of the circle of decay kills, and on the same square as epi when epi died.