The Syndicate

Has anyone noticed that Tim's reads are garbage surface level nothingburger and he's done nothing to promote them?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:44 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:41 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:37 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pm Shit, I could get behind a Tutuu or MR vote just based on the last few posts.

The rest of the thread doesn't support that though. Tutuu has enough towniness established that even "okay, yes, I'm a wolf" couldn't really offset it.

From the ISOs I've done so far (still eight to go) the only possible counterwagons to Nutella I could really get into would be Ted, Herm, or Odd.

Not my intention to offset towniness. Anyone can think what they want in this situation and it's entirely possible I'm just bad with Tutuu in a day 1 scenario.

Why are counterwagons that much of a concern?

Because generally speaking from a town perspective a runaway wagon is bad. If it does hit a wolf there's no information gained on partners because of course with a runaway wagon they are just as likely to have bussed as not. If it doesn't hit a wolf that's even worse.

Runaway day 1 wagons on largeish games are >rand mafia wagons tbh. You are right about the information not being the best but knowing is half the battle innit.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:19 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:12 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:58 pm ted - only reservation is Mac is not on board with a town read

I thought you said you'd caught up bb

did I miss that you changed your read? I will be happy if you are town reading him and I can move him into my next group.

You're quite a TMI machine.

I don't understand what you mean.

You are so confident I am town you are shuffling someone you townread up and down tiers based on my opinion. I don't super love it.

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:19 pm it's weird only like 1 person interacted with my most recent reads

Hey check out my latest post tho

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:32 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:28 pm radish do you have a read on nanook?

Mmm...interesting question. I've twice wolfed with him where I died early and he won in end game on his own.

I've not read very closely and have missed several sections of the round, so huge grain of salt. But...i kind of felt he was town earlier on? I don't even know why, just something about his flavour of slank felt different to what I saw in those two games.

If I remember, I'll iso him later and see if my impression holds up.

If Dyachei = town and 1 of MR or Nook flips mafia turbo the other one

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pm Shit, I could get behind a Tutuu or MR vote just based on the last few posts.

Without actually explaining why this fart noises

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:12 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:58 pm ted - only reservation is Mac is not on board with a town read

I thought you said you'd caught up bb

did I miss that you changed your read? I will be happy if you are town reading him and I can move him into my next group.

You're quite a TMI machine.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:12 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:11 pm hihihi i just smiled irl and my shoulders went up ily dya *hug*

i absolutely love ur energy in this game. it's so wholesome

Dyachei proper mafia out here

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:28 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:19 pm Drwilgy mafia
Sprityo mafia

Lazy lines.

May well be

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:19 pm Drwilgy mafia
Sprityo mafia

Maybe

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:03 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:27 am So, this morning I'm going to ISO nutella and JPIC since they and SPF are the wagons. (I've already decided I'm not voting SPF today unless there is something very damning from someone who reads her as wolf.) I have to take a little time right now to do some work but I will return late morning/early afternoon and also give you all a reads list.

cute


guys spf and jules are just wolves, haters can eat my dab

Fam bam I will become you and sheep your reads if you flip town k?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:58 pm ted - only reservation is Mac is not on board with a town read

I thought you said you'd caught up bb

Nah I was early but then had a reevaluate then a reevaluate shut up ted you jerk

I have decided Samu is town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:02 am Oh man I totally forgot I was gonna start measuring my reads this game

Oh well such is life we’ll start next game

Nanook explain your strategy in this game plz

Nobody is avoiding talking to us

Ironically my job title irl is GM lol

I love that you took me seriously Alison. Let's try this.

I don't think she'd feel forced to townread me if she was mafia tbh. She might be inclined to but I think that her reasoning here is reasonable.

Fine I'm leaving

I am here and intoxicated and demand satisfaction

LC does not 10 post if he rands mafia. He loves being mafia. He checked his role PM, thought it sucked, saw a million posts then decided to give zero fucks.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:45 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:44 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:43 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:42 am Yo Mac

Spoiler: show

If you’re wolf take me out N1 and if I’m wolf I’ll do the same alright?

Nah cuz I have you pocketed bitch

Say that to my odd night vig bitch

You wouldn't dare be responsible for miskilling me n1. You'd be so embarrased.

Please don’t test me

You do not have the balls, nor the cock to fire at MacDougall on n1.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:49 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:43 am Colin you played mafia before RYM!?

Yeah at the Homestar Runner Wiki Forum when I was like 9 years old. Might’ve been better at it then tbh

Homestar Runner lol

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:49 am So, hypothetically speaking, if I were to be a vigi, who should I shoot between

Tim / LC

Do not shoot LC you fucking guy

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:44 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:43 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:42 am Yo Mac

Spoiler: show

If you’re wolf take me out N1 and if I’m wolf I’ll do the same alright?

Nah cuz I have you pocketed bitch

Say that to my odd night vig bitch

You wouldn't dare be responsible for miskilling me n1. You'd be so embarrased.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:43 am oddomerta actually kinda dropped off he was ridiculously obv town for me early d1 but yeah he kinda like what ... its like he got stunned or somethign. wouldnt bet the game on him being town anymore

Okay so here's the deal.

You're obvious town.

Alison is obvious town.

There are other people I think are maybe town but you two are just ridiculous.

Us three have now contributed to the point where like, people are likely just skimming our posts because they no longer need to solve us and are just either mafia going "reeeee" or town going ... well also "reeee".

So two of us should probably switch off and let one of us ringlead and the other two just provide moral support.

I am happy to do either role, but I think we need to give other people room now.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:42 am Yo Mac

Spoiler: show

If you’re wolf take me out N1 and if I’m wolf I’ll do the same alright?

Nah cuz I have you pocketed bitch

Colin you played mafia before RYM!?

I have decided samu is mafia

Colin ur town

Alison - 216 (lol town)
Colin - 22 (cmon brah)
Wilgy - 56 (ideal scum areas)
Dyachei - 60 (ideal scum areas)
Dyslexicon - 23 (cmon brah)
Juliets - 16 (cmon brah)
Hally - 168 (fuck ok town)
Herm - 45 (ideal scum areas)
Jpic - 59 (ideal scum areas)
Long Con - 10 (honestly lock town, LC never slanks this bad as mafia)
Mac - 185 (look I could be doing better tbh)
Master Radishes - 33 (honestly, you suck pal, do more)
Nook - 115 (tbh the fact that he seems like he's posted fuck all but has this much content means he's probably disengaged with the game and still putting up content so he's probs town for this)
Nutella - 161 (you know, she's probs town here)
Oddmerta - 41 (ideal scum areas)
Poison Chan - 155 (u too town, be less town)
Samusamu - 88 (hmmm could go either way here)
Sprityo - 41 (actually you know what I was wrong you aren't being townspewed you're just mafia)
SPF - 99 (not good enough you mafia fuck)
tedxtr - 141 (oooh baby that's some good cheese)
tim - 88 (u fucken mafia?)
Tutuu - 193 (town as fuck)

Okay so like disregard all the commentary cuz it's dumb shit but the interesting stuff here is that Sprityo, Wilgy, JPIC, Dya, Herm and Oddmerta are actually in that really sweet spot where they have a missing swathe of content in scum chat. I'd say that counts more for Wilgy and Sprityo than the others cuz this is their homesite and Wilgy in particular has seemed engaged whereas the other four kinda can be forgiven for not being ott here cuz it's not their regular haunt.

Nutella has put up digits. Gotta give her credit for the digits. She can do that as mafia though so like, soz.

Tim's actually underwhelmed here on numbers in a way I don't like.

Trust me when I say if LC rands mafia in a game with these hoomans he does not slank to the tune of 10 posts. That dude is a town.

Nook is actually probably town off this.

Time for post count reads

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:15 pm Nutella you should know extremely well that any time my “wording” makes you uncomfortable it means I’m town and I am devoting zero braincells to my play

Come on how is this guy mafia?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:18 am Are you still TRing Colin off that one post you liked Mac? He's vanished again after earning townreads.

Yes

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:15 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:08 am You maintain this Ted and you'll have my townread for as long as you do. The minute you flake I'm gonna fucking drive you into the dirt.

Ok guise i have to go see you later

I trust you woofs glgl

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:10 am You're seeing a Juliets that is squarely in her scum range if you're trying to make an energy read. But she should be forgiven a bit for having to sub in. The best way to read her in this game is going to be if her reads and pushes are reasonable. Juliets is rarely an endgame player. As town she clears herself in the midgame and will catch kills either before that or because of that. As mafia she becomes POE clamped before endgame and doesn't have the forceful personality to post herself out of late game POE scenarios.

If we're reading juliets based on how reasonable/logical her reads and pushes are then I'm just going to locktown her right now because I don't think I've disagreed with a single word she's said ever since she's subbed him.

I'm curious to know what makes town juliets clear herself that scum juliets can't fake.

Juliets has good reads and often pushes mafia and gets them over. She often gets killed immediately after heavily contributing to correct mafia yeets. She is a very rare busser and only does it if encouraged by teammates.

I guess what I am saying re: Juliets is there is no reasonable world in which she should be pushed day 1. I think I've seen her flipped as mafia on day 1 once in all my years playing with her. I have seen her yeeted as town on day 1 a few times. Maybe I even imagined that day 1 mafia flip. I have however seen her flipped as mafia a lot and it always occurs in the midgame, and it usually happens in town wins. I saw her endgame as mafia once to my memory and it was alongside Dunya who did most of the dirty work establishing the misyeets and shielded her quite a lot. Also I was in that team and they both bussed me day one.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:11 am Is it worth anything if I say that I say "I agree X should die but I wanna kill Y more" as town on a semi-frequent basis? Like it's just a sentiment I have a lot when I have two scumreads and one is stronger than the other but the weaker one is a more popular exe choice.

Sure. I am just holding onto this because I recognised it from the most recent game I lost to a mafioso in. I don't actually recognise if there is a long term pattern to that post being mafia tbh. It's just hyperbole really. If you think there is no pattern then I believe you. Hally feels town otherwise so let's just go with that.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:10 am I'm just glad to see Mac is coming around on the Ted read tbh

What can I say. It's day 1 and the man is putting in work and making people do shit. He very reasonably explained away my concerns. He's fine now.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:08 am @Samusamu My read on juliets has increased in strength since I made that post. I am pretty sure she is town now. Mac, who I'm sure is town and who is familiar with juliets, is quite certain she is town, and the way she went about methodically trying to clarify everything she didn't understand and solve the game in a systemic way just bleeds town to me. Mac suggested that scum juliets tended to be a low-volume version of her town persona, which suggests that she has less energy as scum, but I'm seeing good energy in this game.

The way she just subbed into a scumread slot, went about collecting info on every player, created a really solid list of reads and then eliminates the unknowns one by one (inquiring into ted and nutella, etc.) is really townie. I don't think scum juliet in that position just goes along with the gamestate and lends full support to thread consensus reads - in that position she'd feel pressured to try to create some dissent in the town.

You're seeing a Juliets that is squarely in her scum range if you're trying to make an energy read. But she should be forgiven a bit for having to sub in. The best way to read her in this game is going to be if her reads and pushes are reasonable. Juliets is rarely an endgame player. As town she clears herself in the midgame and will catch kills either before that or because of that. As mafia she becomes POE clamped before endgame and doesn't have the forceful personality to post herself out of late game POE scenarios.

You maintain this Ted and you'll have my townread for as long as you do. The minute you flake I'm gonna fucking drive you into the dirt.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:02 am

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:53 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:15 pm JPIC needs more votes

i don’t object to this but i also wanna kill nut

Prob i will sup a lynch of nut in this moment.

You just quoted the post that made me eyeball Hally btw. I just see that exact post archetype from scum often.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:55 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:35 am Juliets mafia is basically a lower volume version of her town self. She also isn't much of a bussed unless asked to be so she can be found by not having pushed flipped and consensus mafia teammates.

Okey, but this is inconclusive, how are u seeing juliets taking this into.account?

She is in her either alignment but she's siding with me and townreading me so it moves her into town read territory. The thing about me is that because my reads are usually rather accurate mafia are forced to compete directly with me rather than try to pocket me. On the odd occasion where I get pocketed, I tend to just lose to the slot tbh.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:27 am Some notes : I know I have Tim and Oddmerta in kinda the same spots.

I actually marinated on it and I find Tim v Oddmerta to have w/w potential. I wouldn't clear one based on the other.

I think Odd is good with staying on Tim because in his mind he knows that Tim is scum, so he would look good after a flip, even if he's doing nothing else. Also, he seems to not really push it further and it's kind of stagnating, and his only solving posts after the Tim push are "I saw you have a scum read on me, why?"

It's maybe tinfoil theory but it's not outside the realm of possibility.

I had that thought during their tunnel, I've been taught that what counts in tunnels is seeing how the war ends, rather than what's actually going on in it. Tim kinda looked elsewhere and Odd also deflected a bit, and when Tim changed gears, Odd still wanted to have the higher ground and Tim is really not caring about that push at all, which isn't really what I associate with his town play. If he thought he was being finessed, he would've tried gathering the information to fit that theory or refute it /shrug

Idk it's weird, I just guess I wouldn't clear one if the other flips wolf is my point.

This post is very juicy and I like it.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:54 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:51 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:39 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:50 pm Current opinion on MacDougal. Summary: Day one town lean, would not chop today but don't particularly trust

Spoiler: show

The flinging of first post reads is standard issue Mac, and NAI in itself.

The fact that he doesn't push the idea that his one post reads should be taken seriously bothers me. They are the bulk of his "work," and if he is left with the out that they are just one post reads he is really not on any sort of accountability hook. I think he does take them seriously and wants them taken seriously, so not stressing that may be intentionally leaving himself the out.

What did you think of this post Mac? Buying it as someone that's struggling to parse your alignment without TMI?

I dunno I think I'm pretty obviously town so it's kinda dumb.

Do you actually think he has an issue with you not being more adamant about your first reads?

I mean, you had about 3 pushes or so on the people that you scum read. Does that read like he's something that he's genuinely worried about when you've assumed responsibility by doing other things?

Well the way you word it is a little bit misleading. The reality is that he is saying that he thinks that my first post reads are something that I put front and centre in my town play which is just incorrect but he's mostly familiar with me on spec chat which is where I bang on about that the most.

Also I'm not entirely sure that he's not just framing general paranoia about me in that way, which I think is reasonable.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:39 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:50 pm Current opinion on MacDougal. Summary: Day one town lean, would not chop today but don't particularly trust

Spoiler: show

The flinging of first post reads is standard issue Mac, and NAI in itself.

The fact that he doesn't push the idea that his one post reads should be taken seriously bothers me. They are the bulk of his "work," and if he is left with the out that they are just one post reads he is really not on any sort of accountability hook. I think he does take them seriously and wants them taken seriously, so not stressing that may be intentionally leaving himself the out.

What did you think of this post Mac? Buying it as someone that's struggling to parse your alignment without TMI?

I dunno I think I'm pretty obviously town so it's kinda dumb.

See what we can accomplish when we take the time to explain ourselves... incredible.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:22 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:21 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:11 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:05 am Mac I am here to talk about why your push is wrong

let me know what I have done that has caused this suspicion towards me

Lie about playing scummy on purpose

I didn't lie - I was having fun but I did make the deflection jokes knowing that I'd get scum read for them

The other things were fair game, that's just how I start every time, gifs and memes and skating to D2 when I have more reliable reads

So why did you get upset and bail.

how's that relevant to anything lol

Having fun and being scum on purpose and then get tilted for being scum read and leave. You tell me.