The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 8:58 pm STFU Mac and make a decision

Okay big boi

[VOTE: jaggedjimmyjay] aubergine

Our only avenue of defeat is in leaving you alive so thanks for the day 2 effort posts we'll take it from here.

Long Con as Mafia doesn't scum read me I don't think. It feels like actual townie irrational tunneling. I'm not voting there.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 8:43 pm I will be lynched today, I've known that from the start of the night. What I did not say during the night was that you need to watch the people who are backing off me now. The ones who are soft pedaling my lynch and letting others go after me hard. They don't really want to save me, so they'll go along with the lynch, but they are distancing themselves from leading it because they know I am about to flip civilian.

I feel pretty certain Mac, Nutella, Sloonei and Jay are civ.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 8:46 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 7:37 pm So, what is it then? Daisy can be my teammate because she voted Soneji and not LC or Jack. sig could be my teammate because he said "I don't think LC is bad". myo could be my teammate because...?

Your tone is awful.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

You mean like this guy?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 6:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 6:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 6:02 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 6:00 pm How about y'all gimme a 5-player POE pool. Ignoring the independent for the moment, that's the current target number.

So POE pool is the 5 players we believe might be bad, right?

The 5 players you think are least likely to be good.

Sloonei
sig
Daisy
Jiwon
Mac

Can you rabble up a bit more suspicion on me please I need better cover

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 6:08 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 6:00 pm How about y'all gimme a 5-player POE pool. Ignoring the independent for the moment, that's the current target number.

Daisy
Soneji
Jiwon
LC
Motobot


I toyed with putting Sloonei in there but I decided he's ok

Close to mine

Daisy
RaggedRimmy
Jiwon
LC
Motobot

motobot wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 5:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 5:46 pm Thanks mate.

That's sarcasm I can tell.

When you are mafia you have to make an effort not to let your nervous energy come across as needless aggression.

Thanks mate.

ColinIsCool / JaggedJimmyJay - Town
JiwonMeganPark - Town
Long Con - Town
motobot - Mafia
Myo - Town
nutella - Town
sig - Town
Sloonei - Town
Soneji - Town
Spacedaisy - Mafia
tedxtr - Town

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 7:25 am Jay is feigning investment

Tempting proposition.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 6:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 6:02 pm I am tilted by the fact that we have Jay and Sloonei in this game and the gamestate is so frozen the day after a scum flip.

The flip gave us usable town points, but not as many usable scum points.

Is this a joke or can I attack you for it earnestly?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 6:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 6:02 pm I am tilted by the fact that we have Jay and Sloonei in this game and the gamestate is so frozen the day after a scum flip.

It’s been really nice out and I just finished writing a 70 page thesis, get off my back!

No Sloonei, your purpose in life is to solve Mafia games for me.

I am tilted by the fact that we have Jay and Sloonei in this game and the gamestate is so frozen the day after a scum flip.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:14 am I just asked myself for some gun to head reads:

Jiwon B
LC G
Mac G
motobot G
Myo B
sig B
Sloonei G
Soneji B
Spacedaisy B
tedxtr G

Still not as sorted as I'd like, but it's an improvement.

We're at 9 vs. 2 vs. 1 I believe. If we don't give kill power to the independent (who knows), that leaves us with three mislynches available until a 3 vs. 2 LyLo. That means a correct POE of 5 would be necessary. Again the indy could screw with that, but whatever.

I have 5 Bs here. Consider that a tentative POE pool.

Sadly no. You are in it also.

Suffice to say imo the POE is split into Sig/Daisy and then the rest of your orange list, but I'm taking Sloonei and Soneji out personally.

I think sig put his vote there quite late but in the scheme of things it was before the hoo-ha. There is a chance of Sig/LC/Jack in my head too given Jack's "lol sig votes tsk tsk" commentary and sig noping the LC lynch but also not ending up on Jack but rather Soneji.

There's also the matter of Soneji not being really that suspicious given he spent most of his time in a pissing match with me which is just always town.

I also think it's not outside the realms of possibility that Spacedaisy also didn't realise EOD time given she voted first, then explained it after EOD.

In my view Spacedaisy is very suspicious independent of LC, through Jack alone and if that suspicion is founded it points to LC pretty strongly.

If Spacedaisy is town, then LC is not a tremendously strong scum read, more of just a slightly scum lean.

My argument on LC/Daisy/Jack as the team boils down to the below.

Jack posts that make suspect Daisy:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 9:31 am [VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 8:58 pm Colin, Drago and Daisy haven’t posted at all.

Votes Daisy first and then shades two others, subsequently all but cleared nutella and the now Jay slot. Rule of three. Empty vote on the least townie no voter slot. Is this a genuine attempt to produce a lynch on a low poster in Daisy? I have doubts. If it's not then what is it there for as a mafioso if not for distance credit?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 12:20 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 11:35 am Hey all, just found out this game started. Just wanted to say hello before I go back and start catching up. Sorry I missed the start, I’ve had a rough week and honestly Thursday is my busiest day, so bear with me.

[VOTE: Drago] aubergine

Removes his "pressure vote" after a single Daisy post and moves to one of the other in the three. Is there anything here to justify a Mafioso getting off the vote just for this if Daisy is town? Layer it with Jack meta. Does Mafia Jack get off the Daisy vote this suddenly? If she is town why? Is there fear? I feel like he'd at least try to dance with town Daisy there, even if just for a bit? He doesn't even say anything. Just empty unvote with emoji.

Jack/LC partner case:

It's pretty simply summarised here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:24 pm Sloonei/Mac/Nutella voting triumvirate on Long Con is such big dick energy though. All we need is Jack and Nanook and we can summon the fucking megazord.

LC wagon had Sloo/Mac/Nut on the LC wagon. I called for Jack and Nook to back it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:30 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:26 pm @Jackofhearts2005 @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME we must summon the Megazord!

You should know I’m torn between posting Power Ranger memes and just voting LC (cause his push on me was limp and Sloonei’s mini iso on him does show him being scummy) and you know, actually finishing catching up cause I’m only a few pages back.

This was my live read.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:42 pm Jack failing to summon the Zord means one of two things.

1. Jack is a wolf spewing LC TMI
2. Jack is a wolf and LC is his partner

The reality of the situation is that Jack refusing to vote for LC means he is always Mafia. This is not a meme read.

Which was astute. So we are in one of two worlds. The question you need to ask is does Mafia Jack actually hesitate on the opportunity to vote with someone he had been actively working on pocketing against a townie there due to LC being town also? Or does he hesitate because LC is his partner?

LC/Spacedaisy:

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 1:05 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:41 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:43 pm I'll vote Spacedaisy so Mac does't get it.

Why didn't you want me to "get it"?

If you don't 'get it', you don't get it.

In day 0 he voted against me to give scrap to Daisy. Is it too on the nose to be partners? Maybe it is. But it's a thing.

What actually gets to me though is that Spacedaisy came back to vote and rather than voting on LC she apparently found enough evidence against Soneji to vote there.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:52 pm Good lord, four pages at the eod? I’m going with my gut based on my earlier reads. What’s the story with the LC wagon? Did I miss something or is it in these last four pages?

This is a pretty common scum tell "why is my partner being wagoned". It takes on more heat given I think she is primary candidate partner of Jack.

Some more Daisy stuff.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 2:32 pm I had multiquoted things that stood out to me as I was going and then my browser signed me out, so that’s annoying. I’m at work so I’m just going to try and recall as best I can atm.

1. I like the look of Jack atm. His vote for me, and subsequent move to someone else inactive is a method I approve of. This early in the game is the best time to vote for an inactive unless you have a solid reason to suspect someone else. I also felt like a jokey exchange between he and a Mac earlier made me feel like they are either civ/wolf or civ/civ combo. I’m leaning civ on both but more strongly feel civ vibes from Jack.

2. This might sound a little weird after #1, but I didn’t like the lengths sig went to explain that he wouldn’t normally vote an inactive but this time... etc. It felt a little like he was covering his ass before a controversial vote. Over explanation, if you will.

3. Soneji’s comment about sloonei’s “why does this exist” post felt kind of off to me. He called it clarifying, it didn’t feel like clarifying to me. It felt like an accusation. Also the rest of his post felt like a lot of questions that can make it appear like he’s doing more hunting than he actually was. Feeling a little bad about him, and possible he is covering for Sloonei?

Just a caveat, I was reading the thread at work, there is the chance I mixed up what was from which poster. I can’t look now because I’m headed to lunch and I’ve got a thing over my lunch. Those are my thoughts at the moment. I’ll vote after work.

The explanation of her Jack town read is overcooked given their interactions entirely amounted to him empty voting her and then empty unvoting her.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:59 pm Ok, just got to the result and flip. I have no idea how it landed on Jack, I never would have voted him because I didn’t suspect him like at all.

I still stand by the idea that I don’t think Jack/Mac interactions sounded w/w. So I’ll put my vote for who gets scrap on Mac.

Re: my vote for Soneji being “icky” @sig or the idea that somehow I was jumping on some easy bandwagon @Sloonei. I suspected a Soneji before I recall hearing others suspecting him. It’s based on my own reasoning. Specifically he was asking people a lot of probing questions about their thoughts without actually giving his own at the time. Think it’s icky or easy all you like, it’s just the way it is.

Post lynch post immediately distancing herself from her bad vote on Soneji. Justifies the Soneji vote out of nowhere.

The solve here is LC had Jack and Sloonei on him. Soneji had Tedxtr and sig. The LC wagon had gas. The Soneji wagon didn't. If she was going for a Jack save, why not vote with Jack on LC?

[mention]nutella[/mention] I am not going to do much work in the very near future on Soneji specifically because of thread health. I know that's a cop out but enjoyment of game matters to me. I will say only that I share your grievance with that particular post you called into question.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 12:29 pm Jack interactions unfortunately don't leave me with a clear view of the game. Here's an immediate split on that basis. Otherwise I'll have to review ISOs on their own and see if I can develop a better sense.

nutella
Mac
Nanook
tedxtr

Jiwon
Long Con
motobot
Myo
sig
Sloonei
Soneji
Spacedaisy

I feel like you should probably have Spacedaisy separated like most of us do based on the fact that she arrived late day and slung the vote onto Soneji.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 12:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:48 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:45 amNot unreasonable: wondering.

Unreasonable: deciding I'm bad for no reason on Day 1, then doubling down on that after I was key in lynching a wolf on Day 1. I know that it's bad play, and after the game is done, you'll all know it as well. I'm not giving participation awards out because I'm sympathetic to your biases.

I'm not sure what you mean in the last sentence or who you are addressing. Please clarify.

Bias: assuming LC is bad because he's LC

Participation award: claiming best game ever because you took part in a day one Wolf Lynch

And I never said you were bad because you're LC.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 12:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:48 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:45 amNot unreasonable: wondering.

Unreasonable: deciding I'm bad for no reason on Day 1, then doubling down on that after I was key in lynching a wolf on Day 1. I know that it's bad play, and after the game is done, you'll all know it as well. I'm not giving participation awards out because I'm sympathetic to your biases.

I'm not sure what you mean in the last sentence or who you are addressing. Please clarify.

Bias: assuming LC is bad because he's LC

Participation award: claiming best game ever because you took part in a day one Wolf Lynch

I don't think it's the best game ever. Just mine? I feel like I am really reading this game well is all man. And I don't have to be right at this very second for that to be true to me. I just feel like I have a good hold on where we are right now so that as things continue to unfold I'll have a good understanding of why they went there.

So if sig and jack both didn't realise the deadline occurred... isn't that like massively suspect?

Jay I think I am having my best town game ever while actually not trying and memeing. You should read my ISO and tell me if I'm dreaming lol.

I actually just discovered something really insightful in my play that I'm never sharing with anyone.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:41 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:43 pm I'll vote Spacedaisy so Mac does't get it.

Why didn't you want me to "get it"?

I think that it's just LC, Jack & Daisy tbh.

Inb4 Jay goes to great lengths to arrive at the same conclusions I outlined for him before he started.

Jay can I just say that the reads list I gave was literally an upside down meme. That is not a genuine reads list.

It's enjoyable that when a wolf sack was indeed a snack, it was Jack's own sack that gave Mac no flak. He'll probably yack and quack about deserving a plaque handcrafted by Jacques Chirac. Mac's always had a knack for sack, so give him a smack on the back and join the attack.

oh my god someone send this to socky's the contest is over

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:16 am Mac, can I have your scrap vote? I deserve a little scrap.

Nutella be already up in this shit

Jay is gonna end you mafia fucks

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 9:35 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 9:34 am Also Jay I'm enforce policy lynching you if we don't lynch Mafia on day two.

Fine. We're going to do that, so I don't care.

That's the spirit.

Also Jay I'm enforce policy lynching you if we don't lynch Mafia on day two.

"

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 9:16 am I’ll find the other mafia now, lead their lynches, everyone will forget about Day 1, and I’ll get all the credit.

If there is a busser on the wagon it's Long Con. The other three of us are never bussen.

Start with Spacedaisy. Then look at yourself because you're probably the second most scummy. Then like Myo and the rest of them.

Soneji was the counterwagon.

I think Sloonei is spewed clear because I feel like Jack didn't fake derping the EOD and Sloonei was here the whole time so I want to derpclear him on "I think he'd make sure Jack didn't derp the EOD.

Well this game is won if Jay is town.

Jay we did the thing so you can do the things.

Come on man. Jack had 1 vote on him until the last 5 minutes lol. Your vote wasn't getting him lynched.

God damn this lock town read Nutella thing is off to a hot start

Agree with all that

Colin is a good bet to be the other one I'd guess.

I kinda think Myo is twtbw Soneji. Especially in the thread asking Jack directly for answers on things. I don't feel like Myo would do that if they were partners, but certainly not a strong read.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 2:32 pm I had multiquoted things that stood out to me as I was going and then my browser signed me out, so that’s annoying. I’m at work so I’m just going to try and recall as best I can atm.

1. I like the look of Jack atm. His vote for me, and subsequent move to someone else inactive is a method I approve of. This early in the game is the best time to vote for an inactive unless you have a solid reason to suspect someone else. I also felt like a jokey exchange between he and a Mac earlier made me feel like they are either civ/wolf or civ/civ combo. I’m leaning civ on both but more strongly feel civ vibes from Jack.

2. This might sound a little weird after #1, but I didn’t like the lengths sig went to explain that he wouldn’t normally vote an inactive but this time... etc. It felt a little like he was covering his ass before a controversial vote. Over explanation, if you will.

3. Soneji’s comment about sloonei’s “why does this exist” post felt kind of off to me. He called it clarifying, it didn’t feel like clarifying to me. It felt like an accusation. Also the rest of his post felt like a lot of questions that can make it appear like he’s doing more hunting than he actually was. Feeling a little bad about him, and possible he is covering for Sloonei?

Just a caveat, I was reading the thread at work, there is the chance I mixed up what was from which poster. I can’t look now because I’m headed to lunch and I’ve got a thing over my lunch. Those are my thoughts at the moment. I’ll vote after work.

In hindsight this post howls.

I'd guess Spacedaisy is wolf. She came in late tried to vote Soneji. Jack naked voted her early with no reason and then unvoted her as soon as she made a post and didn't explain it. Jack is super confident in making it to lat game so he's probably spewed all his reads pretty clear though he tried to pocket me pretty hard.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 8:33 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 7:29 pm the problem with this game right now is that all the posts have been made by like five people.

hey everyone else, come talk about the talkative losers.

After last game, I’m willing to vote off quiet people. torturous endgame.

Pretty good looks for anyone Jack thinks is likely to be lurking.

Sloonei we gave you a scum flip. You can win the game from here.

Let's tunnel someone together instead.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 11:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 11:21 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 11:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:32 pm Sloonei, Nanook, Nutella are all lock clear.

Sig and Spacedaisy voted late on Soneji when LC looked like getting lynched.

I'd say the scum are Jack + LC + one of sig/Spacedaisy. Whichever of the two Jack spewed more.

I’m not complaining, but how on earth did I earn this read? Part of me was hoping Jack would flip town so I wouldn’t have to deal with the “sloonei was trying to save jack” arguments.

I find it hard to believe that you didn't read the post immediately before this one where I explained why.

I’m just responding to my pings and saw your post, mang

I think that you would have ensure Jack wouldn't fuck up that EOD

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 11:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:32 pm Sloonei, Nanook, Nutella are all lock clear.

Sig and Spacedaisy voted late on Soneji when LC looked like getting lynched.

I'd say the scum are Jack + LC + one of sig/Spacedaisy. Whichever of the two Jack spewed more.

I’m not complaining, but how on earth did I earn this read? Part of me was hoping Jack would flip town so I wouldn’t have to deal with the “sloonei was trying to save jack” arguments.

I find it hard to believe that you didn't read the post immediately before this one where I explained why.

I'm not getting pissy at all. I rarely if ever get pissy man. I am quite a chill human being lol. I just like to act dramatic to entertain myself.

I was trying to just give you good advice about ignoring me for a time because lots of people get really super tilted by me just being me and I thought that is what was happening. If you weren't and you want to continue to banter then that's great.

This whole thing has become super lame though. Extra lame.

Soneji wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 11:08 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 11:02 pm If so I'm never taking any opinion you make in a Mafia game seriously ever again because you clearly are the worst player who ever lived.

Just go ahead and start doing that now Mac, it will be better for both of us because you clearly have major insecurities

Dude why are you so obsessed with the idea that you're getting to me lol. It's weird.