The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:21 pm I think the 2 wolves are inside the a POE of Wilgy, Falcon and Sabi.
Your views are boring.

What arguments do you have for one being wolfy over PoE?

You?

Alison, Axe, Seanzie only players not voting at least one of the mischops.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:26 pm My vote was on Alison and lucy. Alison had no one else on them. I wasn't confident on my Sean read and Mac was pushing the Sean is outted wolf.

So i apologize.

I wasn't around for the last 10 hours of the day. I can't be held responsible for the game dying in my absence.

Falcon and Sabi were both around late and ended up voting both dead town. I think this is actually pretty strongly indicative that they aren't w/w. Neither of them had any strong reason to be pursuant of those mischops as neither were really at risk (Falcon a bit moreso than Sabi simply cuz Achor and I were pushing them). I wouldn't be surprised if they were both town because of it though.

Like sure I misread Seanzie. Not the first time. Seanzie was also misreading me. Alison was not. Alison townread me even while I was pressuring her. I was easily her strongest read.

I think the 2 wolves are inside the a POE of Wilgy, Falcon and Sabi.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:16 pm I remember thinking I didn't like mac's votes and additionally he is still alive so that's pretty good reason to be suspect

but also alison is just as strong of a NK for wolves who could also be trying to frame mac

Alison and Lucy both had me town. I had both of them town. I was wrong on Seanzie. What other of my votes did you not like aside from voting Seanzie which several other people did? There are way worse voters than me on day 1. I provided ample reasoning. Sabi, Falcon and Wilgy all made terrible votes towards the end of the day. Sabi is on both dead town. If you want to criticise someone for votes I'd suggest you ask about theirs.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:04 pm I was also wrong on Alison.

So that means Mac is probably a wolf.

i am not a wolf, use better logic please because there is no equivalence aside from deduction being used here and you can do way better than that

oh yeah 1 vote ... falcon for my vote

I miss Alison

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 3:18 pm I'm totes kewl w/ any of Alison, Achro or Mac

Said town Falcon, never.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

This seems like a fantastic place to start lol.

This day will live forever in infamy. I am going to no doubt have to fend off an avalanche of votes while trying to solve 2 mafia hahaha. This should be fun.

Not really me.

It was me, I am the Alison killer.

wow she ded

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:11 pm this Mac and sabi read was complete fucking nonsense, I've lost my trust in you to have reads better than rand Seanzie

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:14 pm like look at sabi here, you can tell everything she does conscious and unconsciously, if there is an agenda or a thought outside of her capacity as a player that's scum

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:52 am I can move to Porscha over Sabi if Mac feels strongly that they towntold.

Porscha is a stronger townread of mine than Sabi. I'm gonna say vote Seanzie, you're gonna disagree so meh.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:44 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:32 am Anyway the reason I thought she was outed is that earlier in the game she declared Sabi locktown in a way that if she meant she'd still have the read, at least that's what I thought. So for her to then answer my question about how she read sabi the way she did made it feel like the original read was a lie.
i made no such read bucko

you absolutely did, you were sussing Seanzie because he made a read Sabi/Mac mafia and largely explained that Sabi was being exceptionally obvious town to justify it

Anyway the reason I thought she was outed is that earlier in the game she declared Sabi locktown in a way that if she meant she'd still have the read, at least that's what I thought. So for her to then answer my question about how she read sabi the way she did made it feel like the original read was a lie.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 3:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 3:27 amwhat?
If you clear people for being drama queens about their own deaths

It's not really that. It's that this is exactly the same reaction she had in the last game to me declaring her doomed lol.

what?

not voting lucy ever

lolll

achro you have her hung just look at her post I just said outed her

I think you just outed yourself is what I mean

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:27 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:25 am @lucy u scumread sabi right?
no but I'm not gonna protect her or discourage a Lynch her way

good luck in the upcoming war lol

@lucy u scumread sabi right?

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:53 pmpenis

I truly struggle to see how Lucy ever makes this post as mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:17 am When the mafia objective is to fool you, you can never really assume that you aren't being fooled unless you're a fool. To make absolute statements is to imply someone is dumb.

If I was sabi and randed wolf against mac I would certainly just townread him and shield him from the other town that are pushing him though. It's just the correct way to play the situation as it would lead me to have no choice but to townread her for helping me and probably help her chop a town in the process. If she is mafia, sussing me is the wrong move because it's more likely to result in her death.

The question is not whether she could be mafia. Of course she can. This is just a very strong point in her favour.

This read only applies to sabi because sabi has been claiming a god read on me of late and would want to promote that I would think. I think pocketing me in this gamestate would be the best play, and probably have the added benefit of entertaining themselves a great deal too.

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

When the mafia objective is to fool you, you can never really assume that you aren't being fooled unless you're a fool. To make absolute statements is to imply someone is dumb.

If I was sabi and randed wolf against mac I would certainly just townread him and shield him from the other town that are pushing him though. It's just the correct way to play the situation as it would lead me to have no choice but to townread her for helping me and probably help her chop a town in the process. If she is mafia, sussing me is the wrong move because it's more likely to result in her death.

The question is not whether she could be mafia. Of course she can. This is just a very strong point in her favour.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:09 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:07 am Why are you townreading Sabi, Mac!
Sabi as mafia would have TMI on me as town and would be dining the fuck out on that in this game given the conversations we've had outside of game about how polarised I am etc. Her sussing me in this game is essentially a townslip.

I think you should be careful with what you say Alison. I never said it was out of her scumrange.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:08 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:06 am Pretty sure this post never comes from town Seanzie.
Why? Sarcasm/openwolfing is something he has done before.

He specifically told on himself in a way that I don't think he would think to do if he wasn't specifically doing it.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:48 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:44 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:41 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:38 pm

I mean, if you want me to lie and towncase him based off his ISO I can? I can also wolfcase him, if you'd prefer that.
i'm sorry it's just so funny to me cuz falcon says he is town literally every time he plays so it's humorous that today you believe him
like the reason I TR falcon is not because he said he is town and I believed it
I believe he is likely town from the rest of his posting
And every time he says it a little differently. I read emotions/vibes of posts better than I do the actual words, and I believe Falcon.

Am I going to lock!town Falcon until F3? Nah, but I am okay with them being the only person I don't scumread right now.
I am sheeping you and scumreading you.
No you aren't, you have to be town to scumread.

[VOTE: unvote Porscha] aubergine[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
you think you have to vote me to make yourself look town eh? lol
Yes. I just made a post about Porscha being town, so I needed to move my vote somewhere. I'm banking on "look at how townie I am going toe-to-toe with Mac".

Pretty sure this post never comes from town Seanzie.

explain to me again why you are clearing seanzie so strongly?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:59 am Holy fuck is lucy just town lol

I am quite sure they are both just town for this. I've been following it and they both firmly believe their positions imo. Porscha looks better than Lucy throughout it.

Porscha is so far out of her known scumrange in this game pushing her is near outing imo.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:18 pm yes wolfy sabi I was peeing alone

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:52 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:20 pm Are we going to play nice towards each other?
Sure but as long as it's okay for me to a) pee alone and b) suspect you.

If I were to be suspicious of you, hypothetically, how would you like me to communicate it?

So my opener was "peeing" to which Sabi said "without me uwu". Prior to my peeing comment I was already pinged by sabi hence calling her wolfy sabi. Calling her wolfy sabi is all it took for sabi to use ate against me in this game by trying to manipulate me into feeling bad for suspecting her before I even really had a chance to explain it. I didn't like that at the time, and it's also why I didn't like it when she overtly tried to imply achro, seanzie and I were trying to provoke her by simply voting her. Sabi's early game felt like someone just trying to lay on guilt trips to people rightly suspecting her.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:54 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:53 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:52 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:51 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:50 am So Porscha and lucy have been in their own little world debating semantics for 6 pages while everyone else ignores them. This means they are not mafia together.
I already made that read several pages ago when I said the mafia are achro plus one of them lol.
I don't think Sabi's return to the thread has been townie. It can be lucy Sabi.
Lol. Can it really tho?
Why not? It was one of my first guesses.

Because it was literally my first read in this game and if I was right it would be funny.

Read the first page of my ISO if you have a second. It's pretty interesting.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:52 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:51 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:50 am So Porscha and lucy have been in their own little world debating semantics for 6 pages while everyone else ignores them. This means they are not mafia together.
I already made that read several pages ago when I said the mafia are achro plus one of them lol.
I don't think Sabi's return to the thread has been townie. It can be lucy Sabi.

Lol. Can it really tho?

I actually retract that read though because they are both exhibiting clear behaviour reflective of belief in their reads.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:50 am So Porscha and lucy have been in their own little world debating semantics for 6 pages while everyone else ignores them. This means they are not mafia together.

I already made that read several pages ago when I said the mafia are achro plus one of them lol.

Like for everyone's benefit, a repeat experience I have in games which Alison alluded to, is suspecting people and questioning why they did certain things and arriving at a read one way or the other and then getting personally attacked for it. I would say that it occurs at a cadence of at least once per game. I don't think it's very fair and it happens all the time. Next time you find yourself loading up a personal insult at me consider whether I've actually said anything mean towards you at all to justify it because I am just playing a game I'm not attacking your character when I say you're mafia (most of the time).

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:46 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:43 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:41 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:40 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:39 am @MacDougall can you explain the ate comment for Alison
you did a fine job explaining it, you don't need someone else to defend you. you can be you regardless of someone else's confusion of your play style
Fair enough. I'm just annoyed that I'm being judged for my lack of ate when everyone has been telling me to ate less.
for reference I appreciate it but my feeling at the time was that you were frustrated you couldn't deploy it as a weapon and felt trapped lol
No it was a look at me I'm not giving into this ate bait. This is my growth. Be proud of me. If you were town you would have been proud of that

If I was town? Well I am, and if you are town then I also am, but I don't have the benefit of knowing your alignment and I can see how you can make that post as either alignment so ...

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:44 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:42 am alison, axe and myself aggressively interrogating each other =/= hostility ... nobody was being personally attacked (well except for when axe decided to take a potshot at alison's ego but she didn't seem to mind lol).
As someone who was third party, it felt hostile esp comments about people's skills level and what not

I find it much easier to sort people when I am allowed to interrogate them like an FBI agent. This is why I asked you at the start of the game if I suspected you how you you'd like me to handle it because you clearly just get offended by being questioned which like, I understand, I get emotionally reactive when people push me too. But as long as the line is not crossed by someone says something mean about the other person I think it's fair game and can be fun too if everyone is okay with the tone. In this case you weren't on the receiving end.

Personally I think you saying old age hit me hard is probably the most mean thing anyone has said to anyone else in this game so far.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:43 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:41 am Sure sabi but I sussed you for the same post so I'm not sure why you'd plead with me to defend you from someone suspecting you for the same thing I suspected you for.
Idk because you were there for the conversation and how we decided I shouldn't be doing that. I needed a witness for the conversation

I can confirm that I have specifically asked Sabi to ease up on the ate as a result of recent games.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:41 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:40 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:39 am @MacDougall can you explain the ate comment for Alison
you did a fine job explaining it, you don't need someone else to defend you. you can be you regardless of someone else's confusion of your play style
Fair enough. I'm just annoyed that I'm being judged for my lack of ate when everyone has been telling me to ate less.

for reference I appreciate it but my feeling at the time was that you were frustrated you couldn't deploy it as a weapon and felt trapped lol

alison, axe and myself aggressively interrogating each other =/= hostility ... nobody was being personally attacked (well except for when axe decided to take a potshot at alison's ego but she didn't seem to mind lol).

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:40 am this game was certainly more humorous when we were talking about seanzie's anal virginity but it's a lot more productive now lol.
I am not enjoying how hostile it has gotten. My other three games have turned into toxic waste so I had hope this would be wholesome.

where is the hostility?

Sure sabi but I sussed you for the same post so I'm not sure why you'd plead with me to defend you from someone suspecting you for the same thing I suspected you for.

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