The Syndicate

Bullzeye wrote:I don't actually exist and am just a bot that shows up when my name is mentioned. Or perhaps my baddie friends told me in btsc that my name was mentioned and so I came in here to defend my honour. Because that's something that ever happens.

Lol. That's a giant leap. You don't have to be told by your friends in btsc that your name was mentioned to make what you did seem scum.

2 posts up until now in the day, both 100% defensive. Both questioning the rationality of the poster. No hunting. No analysis.

How are you civ exactly? What have you done to make you look civ? Specifically not Empire?

Bullzeye wrote:How is any of that a logical conclusion?

This post was made today after I made a post that said Bullzeye was scum.

Bullzeye wrote:
Dom wrote:I voted Bullzeye-- his defending of MP was blatant enough to make me think he might be trying to undo whatever effects of MP's bussing were.
What does this even mean? Besides, I hardly think it's accurate to say I defended MP. I just didn't think he was bad. I didn't try to encourage others not to vote for him nor explain why he definitely wasn't a baddie.

This post was made today after Dom voted Bullzeye.

The posts were exactly three hours apart. Yet where's Bullzeye looking for scum today? Nowhere. Two posts only and both were him taking the time to question suspicion on himself. No attempt to look for bad guys at all.

He's been spending those three hours doing something. He's not in the Pikmin game? So why's he around if he's not posting in this one looking for bad guys?

Bullzeye wrote:How is any of that a logical conclusion?

... and now you randomly appear when I mention your name.

Okay.

Golden inferred earlier in the game that Elohcin was a civ and he'd figured it out somehow.

Matt just defended Elohcin and Elohcin blindly accepted his defense with neither of them suspecting one another in the interaction at all, blatantly. Too blatantly for it to be anything other than benign love...

Matt also told Elo to put her vote on someone that would not help her avoid a lynch at all. Ergo Matt doesn't think she needs to self preservation vote.

You and Spacedaisy are Empire out of deduction at this point if Matt and Eloh are civs. The only alternative being that someone from Empire died earlier in the game in which case only one of you would be.

You also both look Empire tbh. So deduction + evidence makes you guys look like the bads.

If that's true then Bullzeye and Spacedaisy are Empire.

Epignosis wrote:Chaching

Tractor Beam - Target a player on the poll, and the Tractor Beam will pull up to 3 votes off them. Cannot be used on yourself, and double effect on Jawas. One-time use only.

PM your bids to the hosts.

Moisture farmers = cashed up.

Matt = not even telling Elo to self preservation vote.

You guys bought this and Elo is on one vote right now isn't she ...

Matt wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Matt wrote:Elohcin - I would suggest you make a strong statement and vote Wilgster! That dude is scum fo sho.

Or Mac. I think it's possible he's Zeeby's last Hutt friend!
See the thing about this is, you voted for me and now you're telling her to "make a strong statement" and vote Wilgy...

Wot. How would voting for him help her in this situation Matt?
I dunno, cuz he's bad?

Also I gave you reasons. You were the strongest in support of Zeebs not getting lynched. What is your record against bcornett and Enrique again?

Why, oh why, do you have DFaraday as Indy?

No, Wilgy is not bad. Wilgy is Indy. And he has 0 votes on him and Elohcin has 4. Answer the question. How would that help her?

Hey Matt, do you read posts? The DFaraday = Indy thing is documented.

Let me see my record against bcornett and enrique...

*reviews massive spreadsheet of vote tallies*

I had an incorrect civ read of bcornett but I had a scum read of Enrique day 1 and voted for him on day 2 (bass lynched with three Hutt voters on him) and on day 4 when he was lynched. On the day that bcornett was lynched over him, my vote was forced and I voted for MP.

Are you and Elohcin the moisture farmers Matt? Is that what's going on here?

Elohcin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:How bout I vote Eloh and spice things up?
The rest of y'all need to turn this lynch around for me b/c you are going to be pissed when you get the results and I am civ. That would be your bad. I've not even done anything pingy this game. Yes you have. Usually as a civ, I do/say something that sounds very baddie-like. You have. So, I also usually try not to talk too too much. Yes you do. I will tell my opinions but I stay quiet or semi-quiet. You would do that regardless. I feel like even if I am not full force with ISOs and rainbow lists, I can at least be an observant player and then say what I think about players. Yeah but like, this is exactly what bad guys do. I did that with Zebra, harped on it a bit even, and then like I thought, she was bad. Nah you knew she was bad. You tunneled her too much to not have been so certain. Now, I did think MP was good, but he played really well this game. I dunno Zebra made over 800 posts and controlled much of the conversation, yet you thought she was bad... He kept calm and collected. I would never have guessed he was bad. Lol are you trying to say something between the lines? Anyway....I am going to save my vote until the end of the day of course, but if you have any questions please ask me directly. I will answer them. Anything you need me to defend, let me know, I will. I don't understand all the votes on me, tbh. You haven't directly responded to any of the posts that outline reasons for your votes, this post is a big jumble of words that says nothing...

You say you don't understand the votes on me, well you do. You even addressed it earlier in the post, tactfully I might add by saying that you thought MP was good, rather than saying that you tried to save MP which is the fact of the matter. Your careful choice of words betrays an attempt to hide the intent behind what you did.

Matt wrote:Elohcin - I would suggest you make a strong statement and vote Wilgster! That dude is scum fo sho.

Or Mac. I think it's possible he's Zeeby's last Hutt friend!

See the thing about this is, you voted for me and now you're telling her to "make a strong statement" and vote Wilgy...

Wot. How would voting for him help her in this situation Matt?

Matt come at me bro. If you're going to call me bad, at least post reasons.

Matt wrote:Mac - What do you think of DFaraday and Wilgy? Scum, I'm thinkin'.

Indy and Indy.

Matt wrote:Elohcin - I would suggest you make a strong statement and vote Wilgster! That dude is scum fo sho.

Or Mac. I think it's possible he's Zeeby's last Hutt friend!

Canucklehead wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:Fuck it. I'm voting for Simon. I hope you are all right about Enrique, but for me the case on Simon (mostly his bcornett "save attempt" that Golden pointed out) is the stronger case and more likely to net a baddie.
Here's another interesting Canucklehead as Hutt post...

Canuck did you know there are only 4 players who didn't vote Hutt in the entire game so far and only two are alive? One has twice the number of votes than the next and the rest all have alibis.

Canucklehead 6 votes and alive
Russtifinko 3 votes and alive, has dead indy vouching for him
Savage - 0 votes and dead, can't be Hutt
BCornett - Dead Hutt
Enrique - Dead Hutt
Luffy - Killed by the Hutts
Mac, I wish I had the strength to fight with you now, but I've already had a day that is SUCH ABSOLUTE SHIT and its only 8am and I have to leave to go back to the goddamn airport soon. I am not a Hutt. I am a civ. I've worked hard this game. I understand my vote record is garbage. I can't defend against that because that's just facts. But I am not a Hutt. Please don't get paranoid and stop trusting me now.

linki: I think Bubbles is a good candidate for Crumb. It will be interesting to see if there is a Hutt kill tonight, or if it is "mysteriously" absent

It's not really paranoia. My analysis has you as a possible Hutt. You know it, we've discussed it before.

You sound legit though... You're not getting lynched today anyway so fear not. I just had to voice my concerns.

Canucklehead wrote:
MacDougall wrote:http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... tt#p206999

Here's a monster wall of Zebra as Hutt analysis, but you didn't vote Zebra there, and didn't vote Zebra on the next day either. You didn't vote Zebra at all. You had soooooooooo much dirt on Zebra as Hutt but you never put your vote on her.
Because I agreed with you she might be willing to work for us!! Seriously. I'm not Crumb.

Okay... You may not be. But it looks miiiiiiiiiighty suspicious Canucklehead.

So do you think it's Bubbles then?

lol 4 is obviously a typo there

Canucklehead wrote:Fuck it. I'm voting for Simon. I hope you are all right about Enrique, but for me the case on Simon (mostly his bcornett "save attempt" that Golden pointed out) is the stronger case and more likely to net a baddie.

Here's another interesting Canucklehead as Hutt post...

Canuck did you know there are only 4 players who didn't vote Hutt in the entire game so far and only two are alive? One has twice the number of votes than the next and the rest all have alibis.

Canucklehead 6 votes and alive
Russtifinko 3 votes and alive, has dead indy vouching for him
Savage - 0 votes and dead, can't be Hutt
BCornett - Dead Hutt
Enrique - Dead Hutt
Luffy - Killed by the Hutts

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... tt#p206999

Here's a monster wall of Zebra as Hutt analysis, but you didn't vote Zebra there, and didn't vote Zebra on the next day either. You didn't vote Zebra at all. You had soooooooooo much dirt on Zebra as Hutt but you never put your vote on her.

Canucklehead wrote:
Bubbles wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:I see your unannounced vote there, Bubbles. There's no way you've been silenced.
i'm here, i've fallen a bit behind on the thread, added my vote to the one opposing the one dfaraday voted on basically :P and i'm pretty sure mac and matt are civs so i feel ok with voting the same as them
How do we feel about this?
Of all the people who didn't vote Z, I was very surprised to see Bubbles among them. If she had read even a teeny bit of the thread before voting (which, granted, doesn't seem to be a guarantee), she would have seen Z was an outed baddie. Bubbles seems like the LEAST likely person to vote away from a confirmed Hutt (she's relatively newish to mafia and therefore more likely to be traditionally minded, she doesn't usually go along with votes that are pushed by others just because they seem civ, she's usually risk averse, etc), so her hopping onto the Bullz votes just to avoid voting the same way was Faraday seems like absolute Bullsuit to me. I think she's our Crumb, and her lack of participation would explain the sporadic appearance of curses. (For the record, my curse had nothing to do with Crumb)
Thoughts?

You seemed pretty convinced, why didn't you bring this up again today? You haven't even mentioned Bubbles since even though Bubbles as Hutt came up in conversation between me and Spacedaisy in the last legit interaction in the thread and I basically said I read Bubbles as possible Hutt. For you to not pick that up and continue with your Bubbles Hutt read makes me think you had no conviction about it at all...

You're Crumb aren't you Canucklehead...

Canucklehead wrote:I don't think Eloh is a Hutt, since bussing doesn't seem her style.

Doesn't seem, or isn't?

And yet if they wanted to do that, they could have easily lynched DFaraday if they added their names to his lynch...

It's unusual to see scum teammates bandwagon together to try to save a teammate so blatantly. Yet we saw that very thing in tree mafia, and MP was in that team and it did get them all caught and lynched consecutively.

Perhaps they did it because he was Darth Vader and was important to keep around for his abilities, and they were relying on using wifom to keep themselves alive.

Canucklehead wrote:
MacDougall wrote:How about the part where Elohcin and Llama swooped into the thread on the day MP was lynched and tried to push Spacedaisy as a counterwagon?

Not forgetting that Zebra said that she had info that said Llama is dead Empire.
Shit. Did not notice/remember that. (Doing totally decontextualized ISO's when you've barely slept and are SO ANGRY AND HEARTBROKEN YOU CAN BARELY BREATHE does not result in fantastic scum hunting). I've kind of forgotten entirely about
Llama...or z's claim...but Eloh and he working to save MP coupled with my (totally less damning, but I feel better about picking it out now) observation above makes me feel confident about an Eloh vote.

The only bit that's weird is that Zebra said she knew that Llama had info that MP was bad but didn't use it, instead saving him...

If he had info that MP was bad, and MP was a likely lynch candidate... Wouldn't he have just bussed him with vigour? For Zebra to know it, then he'd have had to have known it was provided to him ... so to not act on it is revealing as fuck.

Zebra might have just been bullshitting.

The nerve of Bass calling me bad when he's made zero effort to catch bad guys aside from pluck names out of a hat. Meanwhile I've got fucking spreadsheets and shit lol. Go away.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:how about the part when mac swooped in to save mp or zebra?

I do not which team but mac is bad just like I knew zebra was bad

You're just the smartest aren't you.

I voted for MP you dunce.

How about the part where Elohcin and Llama swooped into the thread on the day MP was lynched and tried to push Spacedaisy as a counterwagon?

Not forgetting that Zebra said that she had info that said Llama is dead Empire.

Canucklehead wrote:Mac, you're right that MO could have encouraged SD to join in the mutual bussing...I do remember thinking her initial posts after she subbed in were genuine/civ-feeling, which is what is causing me to doubt what was (I think) a believable case for MP bussing Glorfindel (which is maybe why he did the clique complaint thing? Cuz his team was devouring him? Possible.)

I'm going to look at Eloh now.

Well Palpatine doesn't have BTSC with the rest of Empire. So maybe Glorfindel/Spacedaisy is Palpatine and wasn't part of the conversation hence the clique thing?

I'm voting for Elohcin.

Wow that's the weakest shit I've ever seen. Random voting on Day 10.

Gun to head. Who are Empire?

Hmmm...

Who do you think are Empire?

Linki: I am not sure the point you are trying to make? Do you think my discerning playstyle is a bad civ playstyle? I am open to changing my mind. I have also been accused of tunneling in this game and now am being told I change my opinions too much.

So you think Empire killed Sorsha for a different reason?

Am I? How so.

Canucklehead wrote:I need to vote in the next three hours, or before I fall asleep. Whichever comes first. I'm traveling home for the holidays and seeing FUCKING STAR WARS tomorrow, so I can't guarantee I'll be in at all.

Russ' vote for me out of NOWHERE is just lovely.

I don't know what's changed your mind about Wilgy, Mac...I'd like to hear more. How come wanting to be left alone isn't a baddie trait? That's (for me, at least) my number one goal when I'm bad, just to be left alone.

I want to look at Eloh/Z and Eloh/MP to see if there's anything to see there.

I'm on board with the idea that MP would bus SD...but would Daisy bus MP back?? I don't know her baddie game well enough to know if she's a hard distancer, but she seemed pretty eager to lynch MP if I'm remembering correctly.

Is Bullz still an option for today?

Russ's vote for you being so left field and obvious is one of two things;

1. Forced vote
2. Info claim

I won't elab further on Wilgy.

Why wouldn't Spacedaisy bus him back? He would tell her to imo.

Spacedaisy wrote:I'd rather not be lynched personally.

What do you all think about Bass suddenly reappearing just as Zebra was kamikaze-ing it all up in here?

I think that you guys thought Sorsha was the last Hutt like the rest of us and that you are bringing discussion from your BTSC into the thread.

In saying that here are my notes on Bubbles.

"Early game vote for Zebra but away from subsequent Zebra wagons. Zebra not lynched, teammate lynched instead! Concession distancing? Possible Hutt partner?"

Dom wrote:only because you think MP was distancing?

Yeah pretty much, aside from that I have her as a better look than the other two. But it's pretty damning stuff.

It's pretty bad though because I feel like we need to lynch an Emp today or they're going to have the numbers pretty soon unless the Hutt's nailed at least 1 of them.

I'm torn on who to vote for out of Elohcin and Spacedaisy mostly.

Would vote either.

DFaraday wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Tell me about it it's a fucking ghost town
I offered my thoughts earlier.

What made you feel better about Wilgy?

Russ' vote sounds pretty darn forced to me.

Wilgy is playing like someone who just wants to be left alone...

Russ's vote is shite but ...

Wanna lynch Spacedaisy?

Yeah... I dunno. I'm thinking we should lynch Spacedaisy tbh.

Tell me about it it's a fucking ghost town

What? Why?

Come on guys... Talk.

Well I changed my mind on Wilgy. He is not scum.

Russ is a Jawa.

Bullzeye is best bet but ...

Spacedaisy looks like she was being ruthlessly distances by MP... No denying that.

It's called tree mafia.

Dom wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Fucking semantics. The Hutts are alive still and Yoda said Sorsha wasn't one so I was wrong about Sorsha.

Leaves Dom, Canucklehead and Bubbles as possible Hutts imo. Not exactly fantastic reduction so let's focus on Empire.

Wilgy ... what you think of Elo?
Why?

Why what?

DrWilgy wrote: Say your thoughts about Empire knowing who the Hutts are is true, would empire then have the ability to submit nk's on known Hutts? Kinda sounds imba

Valid.

DrWilgy wrote:I make no promises, but will try.

DrWilgy wrote:Why Eloh? Regardless I just skimmed her over,
Hutt: Not Likely
Empire: Likely

Wilgy, read the last 20 posts in my ISO please.

Canucklehead wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Fucking semantics. The Hutts are alive still and Yoda said Sorsha wasn't one so I was wrong about Sorsha.

Leaves Dom, Canucklehead and Bubbles as possible Hutts imo. Not exactly fantastic reduction so let's focus on Empire.

Wilgy ... what you think of Elo?
Whoa. How am I a Hutt, exactly? Like, I legit don't get that thought.

Like, we've lynched three of them and like, there have been about 50 combined votes on Hutts from the game, and like you didn't put a vote on one of them.

Bit weird since there are three confirmed scum and votes on Zebra alone compile more votes than any other player by far.

Spacedaisy why do you think MP voted for you and Glorfindel and failed to achieve a lynch, three separate times? That's a bit strange for a scum to tunnel a civilian that badly wouldn't you agree? Looks HEEEEEEEEAPS like a sustained effort at distancing.

MacDougall wrote:*snip*Canucklehead is also a possible Hutt for a different reason. In a game where we have lynched three of them Canuck has not had a vote on a Hutt once. *snip*

It would do people well to read my recent posts. I'm not just posting words for the fun I am trying to help us defeat bad guys here. Don't make me feel like I'm wasting my time.

Fucking semantics. The Hutts are alive still and Yoda said Sorsha wasn't one so I was wrong about Sorsha.

Leaves Dom, Canucklehead and Bubbles as possible Hutts imo. Not exactly fantastic reduction so let's focus on Empire.

Wilgy ... what you think of Elo?

Epignosis wrote:In your minds you hear this:

Hutt Sorsha is not. For the final member of that team look elsewhere. Hmmmmmm.

Lynch Sorsha, do not.

Wtf Yoda hasn't said anything for days...

Elohcin wrote:
MacDougall wrote:So sorsha was not a Hutt then. Sorry sorsha...
Please explain this to me. The Empire killed her. How is it impossible that she was a Hutt?

Well there is one Hutt left and the team didn't just get announced as having been defeated, which Dharma just said they would. It's not hard to grasp.

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