The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:While I wasn't around at EOD, I'm not sure I would have changed my vote if I had been. I can understand Enrique's late phase behavior making him look worse to the people who were present, but I do think it's important that he claimed cop two minutes prior to his death (with a two vote lead over Diiny) and there didn't seem to be much budging in response. One switch from him back to Diiny would have forced a tie and possibly rescued him.

DrWilgy wrote:I swear if you didn't counter claim earlier...

Doc, you seemed to be conscious of the possibility that he was being truthful. Please try to describe your mindset in those final moments and what prevented you from moving your vote.

I am pretty sure he claimed cop after the poll ended. Or at least I didn't see the post until the poll had ended.

Epignosis wrote:3J defends you to the degree of making me look bad.

You call me Epi (have we ever played together to any extent?).

Now a question for you: What is this:

2. Epi has done his only clever motion this game, but still wants me exterminated.

What does that mean?

Dude that's a little bit confrontational and mean. I called you Epi from pretty much the first game and you never had a go at me.

I insist that the scum team identify themselves so we can just get this over with.

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Diiny wrote:Me too. Why can't you talk about the potential baddie influence on lynching the cop AND be interested in floyd?

Why "can't?"

Is there some restriction on me?

I'll talk about what I like. I have nothing to say about it.

I want to lynch FLOYD.

You keep saying that but you're not trying to convince anybody to do it.

Floyd doesn't give me anything to convince anybody with. What would you have me do?

His only post today is "another needless last minute switch." When was there another last minute switch?

I know. So if you have nothing to convince other people with, what have you go to convince you?

I think you are misreading his post.

Diiny wrote:

MacDougall wrote:DrWilgy
JaggedJimmyJay
a2thezebra
MovingPictures07
Enrique
Sorsha
TheFloyd73
FZ.
Epignosis
DFaraday
Diiny
motel room

Enrique on Mac's tally 30 mins before deadline. Gonna look hard at his PH to see whether the swap is justified and would suggest you guys do the same. I wish there was a way to see what the tallies were like at the time of each post

I went from having a town read on him to panicking when I saw him start posting similarly to caught scum Enrique in the Star Wars game and contributed to CFD lynching him.

It's day 1, what he did in the final few moments of the day outweighed everything I had seen up until that point from others.

Epignosis wrote:

Diiny wrote:Me too. Why can't you talk about the potential baddie influence on lynching the cop AND be interested in floyd?

Why "can't?"

Is there some restriction on me?

I'll talk about what I like. I have nothing to say about it.

I want to lynch FLOYD.

You keep saying that but you're not trying to convince anybody to do it.

I assume Enrique's late game posts mean that I was his peek...

So I assume I will be dying hahaha.

I don't get it MM, why can't we react to the major thing that just occurred?

MP and Wilgy just take off hahaha.

Didn't the cop die early in the Pet Sounds game too?

Don't tell us we suck, five people had their vote on you. You looked like a bad guy.

Enrique, you suck.

Enrique wrote:I have never been as disappointed in the civvies before.

You deserve to lose.

Lol really? How do you know civvies just caused your lynch?

Okay I can't look.

Ruining the game? What!? Haha you are such a classic. Why don't you sit the fuck down and let me think.

Ah fuck it's up to me...

I would definitely CFD enrique right now. His most recent post alarmed me hugely.

Check this out.

He was scum in star wars and made this post.

Enrique wrote:

This whole thing is such a massive stretch I honestly can't believe you people are reaching the same conclusions.

He is having an almost identical reaction to suspicion here. Surely a civ enrique reacts to suspicion slightly differently?

Linki: Yes but you knew you were scum and you reacted the way you did. You're starting to do the same thing here.

Enrique wrote:i dont get you people

This sounds awfully familiar.

Diiny wrote:11 mins, wilgy, and you have the power to secure a lynch here. You've admitted you were lying about the peek, right? Otherwise your vote has NO buisness being where it is.

How doesn't it? I was pinged by you in the beforetimes. In the long long ago. He probably chose you as his experimental red peek because he was already suspicious of you too.

That being said!

Enrique's subsequent posts. His most recent few where he started calling Wilgy "bad to the bone" etc. I do not like them at all.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:We interrupt this Mafia programme to bring you a special bulletin.

The MacDougall mega list of confirmed scum and confirmed townies

Confirmed townies;

1. Enrique
2. Zebra

Confirmed scum;

1. Diiny
2. FZ

Confirmed lame;

1. JaggedJimmyJay

Resume regular transmission.

Tell me this, Mac.

If you believe Diiny and FZ. are both confirmed scum, why do you openly support wagoning Diiny and not FZ.? Maybe I haven't caught up to a subsequent change of mind, but I'm asking nonetheless.

Firstly, I don't believe that. Is it really not obvious to you that I was being facetious or are you actually taking something obviously tongue in cheek and trying to make a real point with it?

Now if you are saying if I have scum reads on them why am I openly supporting wagoning Diiny? Well it's because subsequently my read on FZ has changed. I actually remember reading FZ this exact same way in a previous game. This is the same FZ that I've seen before and I don't believe I have encountered scum FZ.

Facetious about what? The "confirmed" aspect? I thought this was just your version of a rainbow with the exaggerated "confirmed" portion, so I am taking it to mean you equally mafia read FZ. and Diiny.

Your answer makes sense, thanks. In what ways would you say she is similar, and what changed your mind specifically after making that post?

I stepped back and ISO'd a few players very quickly and then looked to my gut. I sensed sincerity from Sorsha and Enrique. I sensed muchos insincerity from Motel Room and Epgnosis. I also got a scum vibe from that one shitty little post DFaraday made. FZ I was leaning scum on. I trust my gut. It works for me. Look at the enrique read from Star Wars and my first three pings in the Dune game.

The difference is I had the exact same feeling with FZ in other games and I was wrong. So with her I don't think I should trust my gut.

DrWilgy
JaggedJimmyJay
a2thezebra
MovingPictures07
Enrique
Sorsha
TheFloyd73
FZ.
Epignosis
DFaraday
Diiny
motel room

Meant to say doesn't.

Diiny wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I think a push against a Diiny lynch here isn't a great idea. I and others had him as firmly scum well before Wilgy came along being Wilgy.

Oh my god, the game develops.

Huh? Of course it does, but Wilgy's gambit does undo the fact that you are scum for reasons that were ascertained before he played his hand.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:We interrupt this Mafia programme to bring you a special bulletin.

The MacDougall mega list of confirmed scum and confirmed townies

Confirmed townies;

1. Enrique
2. Zebra

Confirmed scum;

1. Diiny
2. FZ

Confirmed lame;

1. JaggedJimmyJay

Resume regular transmission.

Tell me this, Mac.

If you believe Diiny and FZ. are both confirmed scum, why do you openly support wagoning Diiny and not FZ.? Maybe I haven't caught up to a subsequent change of mind, but I'm asking nonetheless.

Firstly, I don't believe that. Is it really not obvious to you that I was being facetious or are you actually taking something obviously tongue in cheek and trying to make a real point with it?

Now if you are saying if I have scum reads on them why am I openly supporting wagoning Diiny? Well it's because subsequently my read on FZ has changed. I actually remember reading FZ this exact same way in a previous game. This is the same FZ that I've seen before and I don't believe I have encountered scum FZ.

I'm going to wait on my Motel Room ISO for a few reasons;

1. I am at work
2. I had a look at his ISO as much as I could and my scum read on him is really tone based and picky but I am quite confident in it so I have to try a bit harder when I have time
3. I won't be able to convince anyone to lynch him today based on this because if I'm right he's doing well
4. I want him to make more content

I think a push against a Diiny lynch here isn't a great idea. I and others had him as firmly scum well before Wilgy came along being Wilgy.

I will Jimbob just gotta get ready for work.

Room's posts are grey and they smell like ashes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Friends can you please look at Motel Room's ISO and tell me it isn't the pingiest, short posty, pointless question psuedo effort ISO of all tahhhhm?

I see a guy taking some stances, in some cases unpopular ones and/or with decent conviction. I don't think his effort bears the appearance of filler. If I were to put up another rainbow right now I might even green him.

Well he sure has you mooked. Nice play Room.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm considering an Enrique vote. I think he owns the game's most suspicious post to this point (highlighted by Doc and me).

I cannot dispute the read other than to say that this enrique reads different to scum enrique we lynched in Star Wars.

DrWilgy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:JJJ, and FZ, if you feel that we should Lynch Enrique, I'd join you.

How do you feel his behavior in this game compares with what he did in Pet Sounds? I ask because I didn't pay enough attention to that game to have my own opinion.

My tunnel vision hat was on too much for me to have noticed him sadly. What I did notice post game is that he stated a lot of forgettable things, such as "everyone get in here and discuss" rallies. Also, I try to not meta players when it comes time to decide a lynch (this is coming from the guy who actively tries to abolish his own meta by doing stupid shit).

Linki - I can, something at least Motel Room is willing to do is put his opinions out in the open. Motel Room was the first to call out Enrique on some of the things we are noticing now.

I dispute that his opinions are genuine. Always saying the most obvious thing in an alien tone.

Motel Room is the bad guy I am most sure of. DFaraday's 1 post is a scum not being bothered to get into the game yet. The third scum is either Diiny or Epi.

If I can get a posse to lynch Motel Room I would be pretty psyched.

Friends can you please look at Motel Room's ISO and tell me it isn't the pingiest, short posty, pointless question psuedo effort ISO of all tahhhhm?

DFaraday wrote:The conversation really hit the ground running in this game. And here I thought tree Mafia would be more easygoing.

DFaraday's contribution to Tree Mafia so far.

Yikes

What a riveting turn of events.

motel room wrote:

Enrique wrote:

motel room wrote:

Enrique wrote:u first tiger

right, i'm suss of you because of your little hop away from your Diiny vote to voting Wilgy after his cop claim, to getting back on Diiny. Reads like you didn't know where to sit and now have a theory involving them both being scum.

I want to hear YOUR opinion on Diiny.

For the record, I've always been perfectly okay with a Diiny lynch. Wilgy did look more dangerous for a bit, but really, as long as we get a bad guy today there's no rush. Lynching DrWilgy is taking too big a risk atm when we know so little about what he's trying to do.

I think Diiny is scum. I think DrWilgy most likely is but until Diiny is gone, we don't want to lynch him.

edgy as it may be I'm not as certain Diiny is scum

Why are you suspicious of me like you said?

U r bad 2 the bown.

a2thezebra wrote:I'm actually somewhere between neutral and town on Epignosis, I just think he's putting semantics on too high of a pedestal. He didn't even realize I was being self-deprecating with the Ayn Rand comment.

He is a busy boy. So perhaps he just phoning it in.

That being said NAY I will not be allowing excuses of such nature. Epignosis you are a bad guy. Core bad. Bad to the marrow.

a2thezebra wrote:"curious thing to concentrate"

AHEM. Alright guys, lemme clarify what I meant to say, for Epi's sake.

*clears throat*

Epi is advocating a non-town-benefiting lynch based on a more-likely-than-not-personal issue with Floyd? Is that better?

Nope, never mind, I can't do this. I can't bullshit so blatantly as this. It's a policy lynch, and it's for personal reasons. There's no way to sugarcoat it. If a politician is advocating for harsher policies against abortion, that might be because they have a personal issue with it that relates to their morals. If a player personally feels that another player has chronic non-participation problems, they might advocate a policy lynch against that player. Simple.

In games past we have had no qualms lynching him (when scum and not scum) due to his in game contributions however lax they are.

Ergo I feel that Epi's rationalisation that we must lynch him day 1 because of a pereceived lack of input and/or the inferred inability for civs to read into his intentions is actually an incorrect rationalisation and one that coming from who it's coming from is one that I can easily see being scum attempting to not try very hard at all on day 1 because Epignosis has been privy to almost all examples to the contrary of the point he is trying to demonstrate.

In and of itself is low content production a reason to lynch a player on day 1 as a policy? If yes, is Epignosis the type to attempt this on day 1, a particularly active healthy day 1. If no, is Epignosis the type to push for a fallacious policy lynch?

If low content production is a good policy lynch reason, then let's argue whether Floyd genuinely is a low content producer? I would say no for the purposes of analysing him. While sheer volume is down on most other players, he has a tendency for posting things that are quite easy to read into. So again, for Epignosis to postulate that he is the type of low poster that must be lynched day 1 lest he become a problem, which is the inference of a policy lynch, irks me greatly.

Ergo Epignosis is now a bad guy to me. Take that Epignosis. Take that right in the batty.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I would encourage those who've already voted for Diiny to at least pause for a moment and carefully consider their vote and their mindset, because this is one of those wagons that could easily drift into a lynch while everyone complacently just waits. That's rarely ideal -- critically assess the situation and ensure you're really giving him a fair opportunity.

I wish I had more time to personally address this in a thorough way instead of just rendering advice, but yanno. I gotta get to sleep now, but I'll be back tomorrow with plenty of time to spare. I hope it continues to be an active discussion.

Counterpoint, Diiny is scum and you are being contrarian for reasons.

We interrupt this Mafia programme to bring you a special bulletin.

The MacDougall mega list of confirmed scum and confirmed townies

Confirmed townies;

1. Enrique
2. Zebra

Confirmed scum;

1. Diiny
2. FZ

Confirmed lame;

1. JaggedJimmyJay

Resume regular transmission.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Why do you think?

I have an answer, but I'd really prefer to give me yours first. It might influence my read more than the average post.

Lol

Fine. I was basically opening the door to town read you but if you don't want this cred then I don't have to give it to you.

Lol you were trying to look for a reason to town read me? To what end?

I an laughing at FZ's comment on me being scum with no reason, no history of it being so, and no subsequent attempt to chase it up as a legit case despite me having the vote of one JaggedJimmySupatown on me which, if I were a civ with some negative attention on me with a scum read on a particular person, would lend me serious confidence that me making a case on that person could possibly get them lynched.

Instead FZ is doing what FZ is doing. Which is lolular.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Why do you think?

I have an answer, but I'd really prefer to give me yours first. It might influence my read more than the average post.

Lol

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Enrique wrote:You really want the Doctor* out. You know, to paint a completely unnecessary target on his back before he has any useful info.

Diiny had 3 votes on him before Wilgy conveniently "outed" him. There was never talk of anyone else. It was always Diiny.

How the hell will I out the doctor? Are the baddies psychic? The doctor doesn't have to do anything but save. No need to talk in the thread. I am seriously not getting you.

And for some reason, I'm confused by the resemblance between Sorsha's and your avi

linki: I guess Mac. I think MP would try harder as a baddie (but those are my expectations of him).

Loooooooool

Why the laffs though, Mac

Why do you think?

FZ. wrote:

Enrique wrote:You really want the Doctor* out. You know, to paint a completely unnecessary target on his back before he has any useful info.

Diiny had 3 votes on him before Wilgy conveniently "outed" him. There was never talk of anyone else. It was always Diiny.

How the hell will I out the doctor? Are the baddies psychic? The doctor doesn't have to do anything but save. No need to talk in the thread. I am seriously not getting you.

And for some reason, I'm confused by the resemblance between Sorsha's and your avi

linki: I guess Mac. I think MP would try harder as a baddie (but those are my expectations of him).

Loooooooool

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm not getting any sleep tonight. Switching from night shift to day shift is always awful.

Hey MacDougall, remember that time you listed 900 reasons to suspect Diiny and then voted for me because I value sleep?

Yeah and Diiny had 4 votes on him already at that point and I can always change my vote back anyway. I wanted to see what you'd do.

Wilgtown. Diiny was already attracting negative attention. You could have just added to the case on him. What advantage to town if you were the cop would there be for you to just be out with it like this even if you really are a cop with a red check? Diiny was probably getting lynched regardless, you've just outed yourself for no reason.

Enrique wrote:

motel room wrote:

Enrique wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:And the answer is...

BECAUSE HE'S SCUM!

woo!!

If you say so.

DrWilgy

what does he stand to gain by lying right here on Day 1? Or do you think he's bussing?

Fishing out the real cop, would be my guess. Either way I seriously doubt that

1) He got to choose his peek.
2) He got a scummie.
3) It happened to be Diiny.

He's lying, and I don't see any way it's civ-motivated. I say lynch him today, worry about Diiny later.

So you think he's doing this to try to see if someone bites as the real cop? Either to find one or eliminate that paradigm?

I actually feel you. I think you're right.

I think Wilgy is the cop on the double bluff and either did get an ID or is just really confident in a scum read.