The Syndicate

If anyone replies to this with "OMG YOUR READS EARLIER WERE DIFFERENT" I am gonna ...

Hally
Axe

my only two townreads

I don't trust anyone else

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:29 pm As for c4, I am not really bothered by his SOD2, but I don't oppose him facing the music a bit so to speak. He'll have to earn his keep.

so your top town is something you're not that sure of?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:13 pm If I ignore all notions of building a total game theory and just give flat reads of players in isolation, it'd look something like this:

c4e5g3d5
Hally

NotAnAxehole
MacDougall

Dyslexicon
DrWilgy

Nanook
Master Radishes

why is c4 your top town?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:06 pm I just think it's pretty likely that wilgy hit the thread immediately in antispew tbh
I'm not sure what "antispew" would be in this context. What is Wilgy trying to convey (or "anti-convey") by musing over the possibility that MR could have been hammered?

Like he came in under suspicion with several votes ("who's munchin on that lhf") and deduced he was in trouble and as first priority tried to make his teammate seem like he was not his teammate. Then realised he wasn't being chopped and dropped it.

I just think it's pretty likely that wilgy hit the thread immediately in antispew tbh

so you're coming out of this with a wolf read on MR and townread on wilgy? lol ok

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:56 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:47 pm i don’t want to go against alison and kill wilgy though

maybe it makes me bad but i promised her i would take her reads into account and if i kill wilgy and he flips town after i killed alison who died saying not to kill wilgy i’ll feel even worse
i guess if you're gonna just sheep the dead you have to kill me then cuz i am the only one from both their poe
the difference is i can actually read you so i don’t need to sheep people on you

you've changed your read on me several times in this game and also have spent most of it not having a clue of my alignment so

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:47 pm i don’t want to go against alison and kill wilgy though

maybe it makes me bad but i promised her i would take her reads into account and if i kill wilgy and he flips town after i killed alison who died saying not to kill wilgy i’ll feel even worse

i guess if you're gonna just sheep the dead you have to kill me then cuz i am the only one from both their poe

why is he not the best option? if we miss on someone else we're just gonna end up default chopping wilgy at a more perilous moment anyway

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:27 pm or maybe it’s just wilgy/nook

Wilgy hit the thread way late and got to work pushing MR for awful reasons and then later on dropped that read in favour of pushing C4 for awful reasons. Meanwhile he spent most of the time voting me without talking about me.

I'd say his teammate is likely MR. People just give Wilgy twtbw townreads a lot.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:17 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:14 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:13 pm I'm hard shielding wilgy lol
why
I read him correctly two games in a row so now I believe I can read him correctly every game
cool i don't give a fuck about your read lol
Ok

Jokes aside i do think he's likely town

where was the joke?

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:25 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:24 pm i think it’s possible wilgy is a villager and getting hard TMI’d by one or both wolves because i’m not sure how it’s possible to v read him
but alison and marmot also leaned v on him so maybe i’m just bad

Alison and Marmot also scumread me and I am town so.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:22 pm I don’t town read Wilgy’s posts, but I might town read Wilgy’s aura. If that makes sense.

GaMe StAtE rEaD

It’s not confident at all, but I want to treat it that way for the moment

His aura of not caring that much?

That might be so but town Wilgy that doesn't care would automatically assume that you and I are mafia. He has no mentioned you once and voted me most of day 1 without me even being in his POE or vocalising a single scumread on me.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:20 pm but yeah idk, dizzy, nook, marmot and alison have all said wilgy is a villager and i don’t know him well enough to feel good going against that even though i think his posts are kinda garbage

I don't agree with any of them. Wilgy is squarely in his scum meta, and I am pretty good at reading Wilgy.

Wilgy most likely partner is MR by some stretch.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:11 pm is there any reason wilgy is coasting?
idk people keep saying he’s a villager and i don’t get it

I just read his ISO and it is wall to wall awful and scummy and makes no sense.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:32 pm I just want everyone to know that I just used the restroom.

It was quite exhilarating.

Wilgy literally poop posted in the middle of my hally/jay fight and that was 2 hours ago and he has made zero other posts

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:14 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:13 pm I'm hard shielding wilgy lol
why
I read him correctly two games in a row so now I believe I can read him correctly every game

cool i don't give a fuck about your read lol

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:47 pm Read the past few pages.

I think my PoE at this moment is Mac, Radishes, Alison.

Tinfoil C4. I can't express why.

if I rule of three this post I'd say radishes/wilgy are the mafia, there are other posts in his iso that indicate this also namely that he entered late to the game and spent most of his time limply pushing MR which is probably just antispew

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:13 pm I'm hard shielding wilgy lol

why

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:27 am Alison putting us near hammer now?

It may be a lazy vote, but I'll vote for that. Marmot and Alison are hammer enablers. Get em.

like... this is just harrowingly awful

is there any reason wilgy is coasting?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:08 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:03 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:01 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:57 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:55 pm Hmmm i still kinda think Axe is just town.
what about nook?
Hard to say. He's been different to normal but like... would he be this obtuse if he was mafia? I don't think so?
i don’t think he’s being obtuse about anything

seems like he just doesn’t care
I don't care about a large chunk of this thread, correct
what part of the thread do you care about?
At least half the posts from the higher posters, every time there's a piss fight, when it turns into a measuring contest of who's "contributed" the most, etc. etc.

sorry for contributing to this but like c4 telling me to "step it up" was lame... nobody needs me to flood the thread with garbage just to make myself look townier

i realise now that the marmot kill was the kill that makes me look the wolfiest lol

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:07 pm To me this game feels neither like easy mode nor hard mode. Middle mode is the vibe which has me in the realms of MR and Dizzy, for example.

what if it's just nanook and wilgy after all?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:22 pm Nanook is off to perhaps the worst start I have ever seen from him (with respect to alignment, not "quality").

Wilgy is a suspect by default.

Hally and Alison are a weird binary-exclusive case that could stand in for either of the names above.

In my experience when he is mafia he just openly pushes a pro mafia agenda. What he's done here I can't really describe as pushing any agenda?

@Master Radishes c4/dizzy?

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:57 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:55 pm Hmmm i still kinda think Axe is just town.
what about nook?
Hard to say. He's been different to normal but like... would he be this obtuse if he was mafia? I don't think so?
i don’t think he’s being obtuse about anything

seems like he just doesn’t care

Well okay that's your description of his play, and my questions stands... would he intentionally come off like this if he was mafia? He is not an unskilled player.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:55 pm Hmmm i still kinda think Axe is just town.
what about nook?

Hard to say. He's been different to normal but like... would he be this obtuse if he was mafia? I don't think so?

Does C4/Dyslexicon make sense as a team?

Hmmm i still kinda think Axe is just town.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:29 pm Alright, gang:

Alison flips town. What next?

Alison flips mafia. What next?
Kill JJJ

Kill Mac

Were you just joking here?

@NotAnAxehole did you not have a scumread on Jay?

Cool response.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:18 pm Like c4 there is literally no argument you can make that is "c4 has produced more content and solved harder than mac". It's just completely obviously not the case.
Oh my god.

It's literally available to you to read. You've been a ghost I've forgotten has been in the game for the majority of it and reading your ISO I can see why because you're said nothing controversial all game and have just had hedgy under the radar takes.

Like c4 there is literally no argument you can make that is "c4 has produced more content and solved harder than mac". It's just completely obviously not the case.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:14 pm I've given more solving and content than you and most others.
Buzzer

I absolutely empirically and demonstrably have.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:12 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:02 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:00 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:58 pm c4’s entrance feels kinda underwhelming, i agree
Same
who are the wolves?
Nook is wolfy and I haven't felt a need to persuade anyone

"Mac needs to step it up" has been hammered into all of us enough
Gut says he's been playing in a generally unaligned way but I don't normally need my gut with Mac

I have reasons to like all of Axe/Dizzy/Radish/Wilgy and just need some of them to be stronger ffs

what are those reasons?

I've given more solving and content than you and most others.

why do I need to step it up anyway?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:03 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:54 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:50 pm Imagine putting weight on socky awards
spoken like someone with no sockys
Watch it bub you're talking to the two time reigning host of the year and 2021 mvp finalist

oh damn sorry

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:59 pm To clarify Mac's gripe about my interactive reads:

I have in the past, many times, said that pre-flip association reads are a bad idea in isolation, especially when they're "w/w" reads. When people randomly through out Day 1 theories of two people being teamed in the absence of broader game theory or context, I tend to view that solving as ill-advised and often damaging. As such, I don't fault Mac for the impression that I don't do pre-flip associative reads. My charts are a much broader project in which I do ALL pre-flip associative reads that can possibly exist two-way, to construct a complete theory of the game. It's the macro version. Macro good, micro sometimes bad. My intention with the Hally read in question had been of a more macro and contextualized character -- does Hally as mafia make sense with these various possible teammates, and what happens to my theory of the game if I accept or reject the Alison dichotomy -- etc.

tl;dr, I don't think Mac was necessarily "lying" about my game. I think he was oversimplifying it, which isn't necessarily a major crime.

Congratulations on your scum win.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:44 pm Yeah I am asking what the reads were that you went into reading it all with that didn't change C4. ie. who are you townreading and scumreading before, and now?
My townreads on Hally and Jay didn't change, my weaker townread on Dizzy didn't change, my "when is this dude gonna start" read on you didn't change because your push just now was clearly either fake or a wolf

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:50 pm Imagine putting weight on socky awards

spoken like someone with no sockys

Yes they both commented on it.

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine?

So the only person in both their POE is me, and I am town... Alison had four names above NAA and Marmot had NAA in there. I shielded NAA a lot on day 1. So the mafia are clearly me and NAA. Except I am town.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:58 pm I could flip a coin between Alison or NAA first, but I think Mac being third is fine.

Given that Alison has provided more transparent content than NAA, I think flipping her first would be more beneficial if we're wrong.

tbh i blame marmot

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