The Syndicate

Anyway with great fortune two of the players out of the three appear to be mechanically town so DM just gave @Long Con and @Scotty the job of being right about them.

Over to you gents. I've tried lol.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:28 am
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:27 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:25 am
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:23 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:20 am omg who has the most experience with you
i think ive played the most games with robyn, lc, and scotty? so i guess if thats the measure they would have the most experience with me
Okay which of those two would you give the task of solving you if all three would die if they got it wrong lol.
none of them
Then you die anyway. So you have to pick. It's an experiment so humour me.
robyn and lc, but this is an odd set-up;

@Scotty, why doesn't DM prefer you to read them in a life or death?

How have I lost you.

Your defense for "I'm not mafia" is to describe what no mafia player would do as though it is what you'd actually have done.

And now in your latest post you're describing what you actually did do re. Rondo as though that's what you didn't do.

I need 6 beers. And headache pills. Someone take over I'm dying.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:27 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:25 am
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:23 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:20 am omg who has the most experience with you
i think ive played the most games with robyn, lc, and scotty? so i guess if thats the measure they would have the most experience with me
Okay which of those two would you give the task of solving you if all three would die if they got it wrong lol.
none of them

Then you die anyway. So you have to pick. It's an experiment so humour me.

What a good wolf would do. Pocket Mac. Steer Mac into comfort on his bad reads. Vote lhf Serhal but in a way that doesn't risk the Rondo tie turning into a tie with a teaamate like Pyxxy. Not vote a teammate into a threatening position.

What a not good wolf would do. Pocket Mac. Throw it away to vote him despite having great positioning and no wolves feeling threatened. Vote Rondo after being green checked and outing yourself.

You are essentially saying "I'm not mafia because f I was I'd have done worse things" but in a way that implies you think those would have been the correct things lmao.

And the bizarre thing is that it's the towniest thing about you.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:23 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:20 am omg who has the most experience with you
i think ive played the most games with robyn, lc, and scotty? so i guess if thats the measure they would have the most experience with me

Okay which of those two would you give the task of solving you if all three would die if they got it wrong lol.

So you're saying "I'd do not good wolf things". Hence I asked the crowd to explain whether you're a good wolf lol.

The things you are saying you would do as mafia a good wolf wouldn't have done because it would have outed you.

A good wolf wouldn't just pivot to vote Mac after pocketing him just because he has votes on him. Miselim occurred anyway.

A good wolf wouldn't vote out Rondo after he's green checked.

omg who has the most experience with you

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:14 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:11 am
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:07 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:01 am DM if you had to pick 2 players in this game to read you accurately like all 3 of your lives depended on it, which 2 would you pick. You have to provide an answer even if there aren't any good ones.
pyxxy and i guess tutuu, but idk if its bc theyre scum and they know im town, or they legit can spot/recognize my town play
As in there have been games where they correctly read you but it's happened when they've been both alignments?
well idk their alignments this time around, but previous games they both ended up w/ correct reads on me [pyxxy w/ me as mafia] & [tutuu eventually as town in severance, well this is murky bc jack vouched for me]

so this time around, they both townread me correctly from the bat

again, idk if its because they truly can recognize my town game or bc they are mafia and thus know who the townies are

Oh you're answering as though I'm asking you to tell me who is townreading you. I'm asking who should be able to based on past experience including this game.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:09 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:00 am "I'd have just ridden along with a vote on you." - You'd been townreading me all game and didn't have to vote me cuz town died anyway.

"If I didn't want to save Rondo I'd have just voted him." - He was green checked and both counterwagons were townies anyway.

Like thats twice now you've defended yourself with "I'd have done this as mafia" wifom arguments when no competent social deduction player would do those things.

Which is partially why I'm curious about your skill level because if you were experienced you'd also know both those arguments are whack and not use them as a defense.

So it ultimately is a wash.

If I ask why you're towny I kind of think my only answer is "I'm not sure they would post this productively and be this dogged as mafia" which isn't a great argument so you should be solved by players who have more experience than you. Especially because you've been lock townreading me all game so my perspective would be manipulated to view you positively.

well those players that have more experience than me, i seldomly see them deliver results so so much for 'experience'

maybe im just a natural, and a mafia prodigy

Lol maybe you are. Experience certainly doesn't equate to competency in mafia.

But I generally win games when I'm town.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:07 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:01 am DM if you had to pick 2 players in this game to read you accurately like all 3 of your lives depended on it, which 2 would you pick. You have to provide an answer even if there aren't any good ones.
pyxxy and i guess tutuu, but idk if its bc theyre scum and they know im town, or they legit can spot/recognize my town play

As in there have been games where they correctly read you but it's happened when they've been both alignments?

I struggle to comprehend what you just said but I'm past the point of caring about getting into a back and forth with you. I've done my best to figure out your alignment but ultimately haven't been able to ergo the question of who should solve you.

I'm not sure which part of what I said was "rich coming from you" or how what I said just there has anything to do with the fact your explanations don't make sense cuz I don't feel you (being a competent social deduction player) would have done either of those things as mafia. It was a compliment.

Pretending not to see it so you could leave your vote on Rondo is a reasonable enough argument.

No I don't want a fabricated lie. Obviously. I just want patience while I try to figure out whether you're being deceptive or not.

DM if you had to pick 2 players in this game to read you accurately like all 3 of your lives depended on it, which 2 would you pick. You have to provide an answer even if there aren't any good ones.

"I'd have just ridden along with a vote on you." - You'd been townreading me all game and didn't have to vote me cuz town died anyway.

"If I didn't want to save Rondo I'd have just voted him." - He was green checked and both counterwagons were townies anyway.

Like thats twice now you've defended yourself with "I'd have done this as mafia" wifom arguments when no competent social deduction player would do those things.

Which is partially why I'm curious about your skill level because if you were experienced you'd also know both those arguments are whack and not use them as a defense.

So it ultimately is a wash.

If I ask why you're towny I kind of think my only answer is "I'm not sure they would post this productively and be this dogged as mafia" which isn't a great argument so you should be solved by players who have more experience than you. Especially because you've been lock townreading me all game so my perspective would be manipulated to view you positively.

So inexperienced but intelligent enough and gamer enough to be deceptive in spite of it.

Sad, I was hopeful I could just clear you off your incredulousness lol.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:39 pm DM are you like a high quality wolf?
Ooh, like a five-star wolf?

I mean anyone can answer but it'd help my read if I knew where on the from Glorfindel to Golden rating scale I'm supposed to be approaching her.

DM are you like a high quality wolf?

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:28 pm its so clear how if i wanted rondo gone, i wouldve done so

lmao anyone trying to spin it otherwise

Not wanting him gone isnt the same as saving him.

And once he was green checked you can't vote him cmon. You observed the check. Voting him past that point is outing. The only way to conceivably get him out is to keep him tied up. Which I'm not saying you did. I'm saying you certainly didn't save him by voting Serhal.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:24 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:22 pm literally u said it yourself, i mistakenly encouraged all of your wrong reads, if i saw how that was turning out, why would i keep doing it
Okay so to be clear.

You didn't townread Pyxxy. You just thought Serhal was a better vote. You don't think Pyxxy is a guaranteed flip anyway and don't understand why I'm making such a fuss about it? That summarises your present thoughts?
yes

There are fmpov 4 players on the poll who are confirmed town. 3 of them should probably be confirmed to the whole game and the other is me because I know my alignment. This means I have a fairly small POE.

Through deduction I've ascertained that Pyxxy would near certainly have been in the tie if he was town because he was:

a) Holding an unclear PR claim the mafia would have wanted to push for info
b) Isn't towny therefore the safest place for mafia to vote (even safer than Serhal imo).
c) Is an easy miselim.

I am presently solving into the world where Pyxxy is definitively not town.

I am trying to ascertain Pyxxy teammates because I am that convinced Pyxxy is mafia.

I am so convinced Pyxxy is mafia that I am also pseudo clearing Tutuu from it.

Therefore my POE is small, Pyxxy is red in it and you are also in it simply because you are. So your opinions about Pyxxy and your explanations about your opinions are extraordinarily relevant to me because of this.

Help?

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:23 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:05 pm I can live with a serhal/rondo tie

how did i know serhal was not civ? where exactly did he scream town? how can u be so obtuse

I am pointing out that you clearly didn't have the agenda to save Rondo. You didn't give a crap whether he died so trying to pass off your behaviour as having saved him is pretty wild.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:22 pm literally u said it yourself, i mistakenly encouraged all of your wrong reads, if i saw how that was turning out, why would i keep doing it

Okay so to be clear.

You didn't townread Pyxxy. You just thought Serhal was a better vote. You don't think Pyxxy is a guaranteed flip anyway and don't understand why I'm making such a fuss about it? That summarises your present thoughts?

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:05 pm I can live with a serhal/rondo tie

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:12 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:59 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:48 pm confused why long con stayed w/ serhal vote and tying w/ rondo instead of switching to scotty?
It was kind of a frantic time, posting on my phone from the jobsite. I can't claim I was acting optimally at the time.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:55 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:44 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:32 pm leetic/pyxxy/P.A./tutuu

are my biggest pings

porscha/scotty/long con

are next
why is Robyn on the outside looking in here?

and if Pyxxy is among your sharpest suspicions, why did you vote Serhal over them? Serhal being the definition of a shrug at best?
why would I list serhal when they already flipped town? obviously i felt serhal was wolfier then pyxxy, once i saw i was wrong, i changed my read... ?
Someone (not DM) explain to me how DM could have misunderstood my question in a way that results in them implying I asked them to list Serhal?
Perhaps they misread "vote" as "list"?
Is this the case DM?
i missed the post pre EoD were serhal was confirmed town and pyxxy the only other option who was apparently confirmed wolf

wheres the scrutinity for everyone else for not voting pyxxy

That's not my question. Did you misread my post?

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:07 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:55 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:44 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:32 pm leetic/pyxxy/P.A./tutuu

are my biggest pings

porscha/scotty/long con

are next
why is Robyn on the outside looking in here?

and if Pyxxy is among your sharpest suspicions, why did you vote Serhal over them? Serhal being the definition of a shrug at best?
why would I list serhal when they already flipped town? obviously i felt serhal was wolfier then pyxxy, once i saw i was wrong, i changed my read... ?
Someone (not DM) explain to me how DM could have misunderstood my question in a way that results in them implying I asked them to list Serhal?
for all i know, both pyxxy and serhal are town so idk what youre trying to find here... and when previous to Serhal's lynch, did i say pyxxy was one of my sharpest suspicions? what?
So you haven't felt Pyxxy was suspicious on day 1 or day 2?

You'd be alone in that. I guess I need to understand what it is that Serhal did that Pyxxy didn't do or vice versa that separated them so much that you were content with "Serhal and someone else" being the tie and not Pyxxy.

Rereading your ISO you off handedly mentioned Serhal very infrequently. One time you called them out to post and did state that if they didn't it wasn't very towny. Early on in the game they called you scummy and you said yikes. So it's not like there's an overwhelming preponderance of evidence to display you had a genuine scumread on them. At best I can see you didn't townread them.

To me you just looked like a wolf pushing the weakest easiest miselim in the game when your partner Pyxxy was on the table, viable and less of a shrug.

You said Serhal and someone else, why not Serhal and Pyxxy? Why were you content with Serhal and Rondo or anyone else? What kept Pyxxy out of your cross hairs?

Like the gap here is you have to be actually townreading Pyxxy prior to today. I want to understand what Pyxxy did to gain that read out of you. What posts they made or what your thinking was that was "I want Serhal and I don't want Pyxxy".
why are u so hung up on pyxxy? is not that deep; vote them out if you want; as far as i know, it is not a guarantee theyre wolf, so for all i know pyxxy could have been the one lynched, flipped town and this convo would be the same except why did u vote pyxxy over serhal had i not voted like i did; i dont know what you want, nothing seems enough for u

I mean you could just start with an answering of questions. I'm trying my best to find your alignment.

"I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas!"

I read your ISO and you specifically progressed as such.

Rondo is scummy.
(Rondo gets checked green)
Rondo now checked and he's being a good boy now anyway so I'm happy to move.
I don't know where to go though I shall figure that out.
I'm happy to go to Serhal.
I'm happy with Serhal and Rondo being a tie.
I don't care who is tied with him, but Serhal must die.

The absence of a Pyxxy push from you bothers me because...

a) Neon signs point at Pyxxy being mafia for a range of reasons.
b) Pyxxy was a very viable chop to push for townies (and if town, for mafia)
c) If a is true your avoidance of pushing Pyxxy makes you an obvious choice for a teammate.
d) If a is false then the POE gets even narrower and you're still in it anyway (LC/Scotty/Rondo green).

Then on top of that I track.

a) You loved my push on sig... town
b) You loved my vote on Scotty... town
c) You encouraged my vote on Rondo... town

My only consistent push you've not chimed in on and signal boosted has been my Pyxxy push.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:59 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:48 pm confused why long con stayed w/ serhal vote and tying w/ rondo instead of switching to scotty?
It was kind of a frantic time, posting on my phone from the jobsite. I can't claim I was acting optimally at the time.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:55 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:44 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:32 pm leetic/pyxxy/P.A./tutuu

are my biggest pings

porscha/scotty/long con

are next
why is Robyn on the outside looking in here?

and if Pyxxy is among your sharpest suspicions, why did you vote Serhal over them? Serhal being the definition of a shrug at best?
why would I list serhal when they already flipped town? obviously i felt serhal was wolfier then pyxxy, once i saw i was wrong, i changed my read... ?
Someone (not DM) explain to me how DM could have misunderstood my question in a way that results in them implying I asked them to list Serhal?
Perhaps they misread "vote" as "list"?

Is this the case DM?

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:55 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:44 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:32 pm leetic/pyxxy/P.A./tutuu

are my biggest pings

porscha/scotty/long con

are next
why is Robyn on the outside looking in here?

and if Pyxxy is among your sharpest suspicions, why did you vote Serhal over them? Serhal being the definition of a shrug at best?
why would I list serhal when they already flipped town? obviously i felt serhal was wolfier then pyxxy, once i saw i was wrong, i changed my read... ?
Someone (not DM) explain to me how DM could have misunderstood my question in a way that results in them implying I asked them to list Serhal?
for all i know, both pyxxy and serhal are town so idk what youre trying to find here... and when previous to Serhal's lynch, did i say pyxxy was one of my sharpest suspicions? what?

So you haven't felt Pyxxy was suspicious on day 1 or day 2?

You'd be alone in that. I guess I need to understand what it is that Serhal did that Pyxxy didn't do or vice versa that separated them so much that you were content with "Serhal and someone else" being the tie and not Pyxxy.

Rereading your ISO you off handedly mentioned Serhal very infrequently. One time you called them out to post and did state that if they didn't it wasn't very towny. Early on in the game they called you scummy and you said yikes. So it's not like there's an overwhelming preponderance of evidence to display you had a genuine scumread on them. At best I can see you didn't townread them.

To me you just looked like a wolf pushing the weakest easiest miselim in the game when your partner Pyxxy was on the table, viable and less of a shrug.

You said Serhal and someone else, why not Serhal and Pyxxy? Why were you content with Serhal and Rondo or anyone else? What kept Pyxxy out of your cross hairs?

Like the gap here is you have to be actually townreading Pyxxy prior to today. I want to understand what Pyxxy did to gain that read out of you. What posts they made or what your thinking was that was "I want Serhal and I don't want Pyxxy".

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:59 pm why didnt you vote pyxxy over rondo then ? @MacDougall

Once again I was asleep. The day ends at 3am my time and I fell asleep after a 40 degree day of moving prior to Rondo claiming or LC green checking and had voted him at the height of his curmudgeonliness.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:44 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:32 pm leetic/pyxxy/P.A./tutuu

are my biggest pings

porscha/scotty/long con

are next
why is Robyn on the outside looking in here?

and if Pyxxy is among your sharpest suspicions, why did you vote Serhal over them? Serhal being the definition of a shrug at best?
why would I list serhal when they already flipped town? obviously i felt serhal was wolfier then pyxxy, once i saw i was wrong, i changed my read... ?

Someone (not DM) explain to me how DM could have misunderstood my question in a way that results in them implying I asked them to list Serhal?

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:43 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:30 pm it just feels like a lot of echo-chambering in here
arriving to a consensus sounds like that and is a good thing given town have a numbers advantage and communicating our thoughts is the only way to uncover commonality and see whose thoughts aren't lining up with the towns.

griping about a town sorting through the game to find commonality and calling it echo chambering comes across like a discouraged wolf.
then thats your lack of imagination if you cant see it as tired town fed up of being misread

Maybe but I'm giving you a lot of benefit of the doubt in asking your opinion on things so it's not like I'm being unfair.

So far I've asked for you to give me your thoughts on the list of players townreading me, you didn't.

Then I asked why you suspected Serhal over Pyxxy. You haven't yet explained that yet either.

Now I've asked why you're townreading Robyn. Which you ignored in favour of misinterpretation (that's the good faith explanation) the other paragraph instead.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:44 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:32 pm leetic/pyxxy/P.A./tutuu

are my biggest pings

porscha/scotty/long con

are next
why is Robyn on the outside looking in here?

and if Pyxxy is among your sharpest suspicions, why did you vote Serhal over them? Serhal being the definition of a shrug at best?
why would I list serhal when they already flipped town? obviously i felt serhal was wolfier then pyxxy, once i saw i was wrong, i changed my read... ?

I am asking once again why you chose Serhal over Pyxxy? You said you found them more suspicious than Pyxxy and I am asking why.

And why do you townread Robyn?

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:32 pm leetic/pyxxy/P.A./tutuu

are my biggest pings

porscha/scotty/long con

are next

why is Robyn on the outside looking in here?

and if Pyxxy is among your sharpest suspicions, why did you vote Serhal over them? Serhal being the definition of a shrug at best?

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:30 pm it just feels like a lot of echo-chambering in here

arriving to a consensus sounds like that and is a good thing given town have a numbers advantage and communicating our thoughts is the only way to uncover commonality and see whose thoughts aren't lining up with the towns.

griping about a town sorting through the game to find commonality and calling it echo chambering comes across like a discouraged wolf.

Pyxxy flip for instance does more to resolve me and Tutuu whereas a DM flip kind of sorts nothing but Pyxxy?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:17 pm So your chop is DM > Pyxxy > Robyn/Porscha (LC checks them by now) > Tutuu/Leetic (LC checked one of them if still alive) if the game is still going?

I was thinking until now Pyxxy has to go first but I kind of was just getting to a thought where DM is mafia regardless of Pyxxy's alignment.

I still think Pyxxy probably needs resolved first though because it resolves more of the other slots as a hedge bet than a DM flip does.

If Robyn is town it means Scotty's wagon was pure too which as I said earlier seems unlikely, but would mean to me that Porscha has been aggressively wolfsiding specifically into me by arguing with my Rondo townread and agreeing with my Robyn wolfread. That's kind of how I'd anticipate a quality Porscha wolf game to look.

So yeah 1 in Robyn/Porscha seems likely.
DM and Pyxxy are probably both mafia.

Obviously the broader POE then are Tutuu/Leetic but as I've said I have better/stronger reasons to townread those two than the other four.

@Porscha @robyn do you both agree that the other is likely a wolf here?

I think Porscha/Robyn is the only two of dynamic in Porscha/Robyn/DM/Pyxxy that I have seen a reason to exclude. Specifically because Porscha jumped on Robyn when I voted them.

Porscha to me can sub as the fourth in this solve a little better than anyone else can. They have had some towny posts for sure but some of their play has felt like wolf agenda at times. Particularly moments where I've felt like they were subtly coercing me to go down bad paths, like when they were trying to push me off my Rondo townread early in the game for instance.

What reason you leave Porscha out of that list Rondo?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:01 pm we dont kill mac here till lylo and likely we've found the wolf team anyway in pyxxy/dm/leetic/robyn/tutuu and we have enough chop and information to resolve the game. If abbi is wolf then its likely mac is too so we can eliminate that is a thought which leaves

pyxxy/dm/leetic/robyn/tutuu

who else can we eliminate?

Tutuu narrow solving hard into the likely DM/Pyxxy world probably just means Tutuu is town and by virtue if disengaging the game has been able to avoid being caught up in micro bs and has just actually sorted properly.

Leetic would probably have needed to levelled quite hard to be able to maintain this level as mafia. Like they're either town who keeps biting off wrong takes and rolling from tiltmac to tiltmac or mafia doing that on purpose to be read as twtbw and the former is substantially more likely for Leetic as a player.

Hence I think it's just DM/Pyxxy/Robyn.

For me to be mafia you're probably going to have a very narrow solve of Porscha and Tutuu with me, or Porscha/Abi maybe. Something like that.

But if you look at who is most likely mafia outside of me you run out of numbers too fast for me to be part of the team. I'm incompat with too many players, as usually tends to happen.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:55 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:48 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:36 pm Maybe I should check you tonight, Mac.
If you must.
Mac, I am not trying to throw sus on you here but it is a concern I have been playing around with. What are the odds that a passive block is a mafia role? I dont mean in this game but generally as setup rands?
It's the only ability I have. I have no active powers. I am essentially a VT with a weak passive that is inconsistent. In this game does that sound like a wolf role? With town cops and full roleblockers?

The odds that a reflexive roleblocker is a townrole if you take my claim at face value (as in, that it's not part of a broader role, or I'm lying about it) is higher than it being a mafia role. But I could also just be a lying Godfather.

I don't need you to not find my claim questionable anyway. You should easily be able to read me on play based on how I've interacted with you in a way that should be quite blatantly indicative I had no idea what your alignment was.

Also every possible wolf in Rondo/LC/Scotty gown world we now reside in has spewed me town.
Hahahah in the LC / Rondo / Scotty world we just wait 12 hours and lynch me when none of us die lol

You misread my point entirely. I love writing large posts and then having someone focus on one sentence and misread it.

I'm saying in the world all 3 of you are town, all the mafia have spewed me town.

Leetic has tunneled me into the dirt and been tilting me non stop (and vice versa).
Pyxxy has reacted to my pushing him with submissive acceptance and an unwavering townread.
DM, Porscha, Tutuu, Abigail and Robyn have all townread me in ways that you should easily can see spew me unpartnered.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:36 pm Maybe I should check you tonight, Mac.
If you must.
Wouldn't that be a waste?

I literally just got through explaining to Rondo the utility of green checking Scotty so you don't have to go far to find evidence that I think using the cop check to clear people is a good use of it.

I do think it'd be a waste personally though hence the "if you must" not the "oh please sir" response.

Ie. if you're suspicious of me go for it. Because if you are then it obviously isn't a waste because it gets town one step closer to cohesive.

This all feels kind of like we're starting to spin our wheels into stupidville.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:48 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:36 pm Maybe I should check you tonight, Mac.
If you must.
Mac, I am not trying to throw sus on you here but it is a concern I have been playing around with. What are the odds that a passive block is a mafia role? I dont mean in this game but generally as setup rands?

It's the only ability I have. I have no active powers. I am essentially a VT with a weak passive that is inconsistent. In this game does that sound like a wolf role? With town cops and full roleblockers?

The odds that a reflexive roleblocker is a townrole if you take my claim at face value (as in, that it's not part of a broader role, or I'm lying about it) is higher than it being a mafia role. But I could also just be a lying Godfather.

I don't need you to not find my claim questionable anyway. You should easily be able to read me on play based on how I've interacted with you in a way that should be quite blatantly indicative I had no idea what your alignment was.

Also every possible wolf in Rondo/LC/Scotty gown world we now reside in has spewed me town.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:47 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:41 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:38 pm That is to say Abbi N0 > Leetic (Song) N1 > Scotty (Silence)

when I see a song and a silence at the same time I will re-evaluate. But perhaps she switches between song and silence even/odd
Yeah but I just don't see the utility in partial claiming because it ultimately leads to their death. The alternatives of either not claiming, or full claiming, are both strictly a better play for Mafia Abigail than semi claiming and lying about their actions in a world where mafia wouldn't even be able to be certain someone wouldn't just out them off a track anyway.
Yeah but when has Abbi ever been accused of taking the strictly better path? She is like me, we just kinda vibe around towards what we want if its fun. But you could be right. Its not going to be helpful to speculate on
There is "vibe around towards what we want if it's fun" and there's "oops I'm needlessly outed now because I snap claimed a lie and Mac is a tracker who has caught me".

It's just so unlikely that Abi is lying about this that arguments to the contrary while slightly plausible should be set aside in favour of the cold hand of logic. As that is how town wins at mafia. So says the Oracle.
I'm the Oracle here

I agree that speculating is pointless when we'll likely get more information soon anyway, but Abby does stupid shit as town all the time

As town, but the argument is that Abi is mafia no?

Ultimately we are trying to determine alignment not propensity to do dumb shit. The key point of everything I'm saying is that it all points at town Abigail.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:41 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:38 pm That is to say Abbi N0 > Leetic (Song) N1 > Scotty (Silence)

when I see a song and a silence at the same time I will re-evaluate. But perhaps she switches between song and silence even/odd
Yeah but I just don't see the utility in partial claiming because it ultimately leads to their death. The alternatives of either not claiming, or full claiming, are both strictly a better play for Mafia Abigail than semi claiming and lying about their actions in a world where mafia wouldn't even be able to be certain someone wouldn't just out them off a track anyway.
Yeah but when has Abbi ever been accused of taking the strictly better path? She is like me, we just kinda vibe around towards what we want if its fun. But you could be right. Its not going to be helpful to speculate on

There is "vibe around towards what we want if it's fun" and there's "oops I'm needlessly outed now because I snap claimed a lie and Mac is a tracker who has caught me".

It's just so unlikely that Abi is lying about this that arguments to the contrary while slightly plausible should be set aside in favour of the cold hand of logic. As that is how town wins at mafia. So says the Oracle.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:36 pm Maybe I should check you tonight, Mac.

If you must.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:41 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:38 pm That is to say Abbi N0 > Leetic (Song) N1 > Scotty (Silence)

when I see a song and a silence at the same time I will re-evaluate. But perhaps she switches between song and silence even/odd
Yeah but I just don't see the utility in partial claiming because it ultimately leads to their death. The alternatives of either not claiming, or full claiming, are both strictly a better play for Mafia Abigail than semi claiming and lying about their actions in a world where mafia wouldn't even be able to be certain someone wouldn't just out them off a track anyway.
But Abi isn't always a player who plays the way you would consider ideal.

That's a cop out argument. Abi might do FPS sometimes but they aren't going to misplay as mafia like that ever. They are a good player who takes their responsibility to their mafia teams seriously. I've wolfed with Abi before.

Abigail would have essentially outed themselves for no apparent reason in any world where town has a tracker that tracked her n1, or even variations of town rolecop/watcher/voyeur. There are too many ways that a simple pointless partial claim with a lie in it can backfire for a mafia Abi to have done that imo.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:38 pm That is to say Abbi N0 > Leetic (Song) N1 > Scotty (Silence)

when I see a song and a silence at the same time I will re-evaluate. But perhaps she switches between song and silence even/odd

Yeah but I just don't see the utility in partial claiming because it ultimately leads to their death. The alternatives of either not claiming, or full claiming, are both strictly a better play for Mafia Abigail than semi claiming and lying about their actions in a world where mafia wouldn't even be able to be certain someone wouldn't just out them off a track anyway.

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