The Syndicate

Where's the redtube?

I know that. Don't you find it weird that he would just have two browser tabs open on the home page of the site? Like, who does that?

I noticed something strange you guys

Epignosis wrote:

Posting this for posterity.

You have one vote on you. You don't need to be this desperate.

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

I am superior to you. And I want you lynched.

You sound threatened. Why would you feel threatened?

That's a joke you missed out on. If you ever think I'm threatened, you don't know me.

Still want you lynched. My case on you was independent of this SK bullshit.

No, you sound threatened still. I can sense it in you.

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

I am superior to you. And I want you lynched.

You sound threatened. Why would you feel threatened?

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

I am superior to you. And I want you lynched.

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:You are all cum.

Erm, no.

That's only half true.

You are half cum?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote: What does it mean to you that Macdougall now thinks that Epignosis is the PsK, and is still hunting for the PsK?

What?

You've called two different players SK's today.

I guess that's roughly equivalent to the 15-player mafia team you mentioned.

Cool, good to see that you aren't paying attention. I haven't called anyone else an SK since I realised that epignosis is 100% without a shadow of a doubt* the serial killer. Please don't say things that are actually not true and then tell others that they are, at least not about me. That'd be sweet.

*I'm not really 100% convinced (more like 97%), but I feel like I need to communicate that rather than let what I think is obvious exaggeration for humorous effect go unfettered into the scumosphere where the scum players (such as aforementioned Metalscum89) will pounce on the obvious joke and use it against me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote: What does it mean to you that Macdougall now thinks that Epignosis is the PsK, and is still hunting for the PsK?

What?

I think it's entirely fair to say that at this point anybody who has their vote on me is obvious scum, and anybody who has suggested that MattF is anything other than bewilderingly insane is also obvious scum.

So there is actually like a 15 player scum team.

You are all cum.

elohcin, you seem like a reasonable human being that has been somehow manipulated by Harry & Lloyd to have your vote on me. Could you kindly remove it and put it on someone else so you aren't part of yet another Matt led townlynch?

Epignosis with the OMGUS vote to end all OMGUS votes.



You're really good at this, the game of forums mafia.

Epignosis wrote:I voted MacDougall.

I even have to help this guy look town he's so anti-town by telling him when to vote for me.

motel room wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I can assure you that "chaos posting" was a result of the fact that I was losing interest without having people engaging me thinking I was scum. It was boring me.

I just always remember chaos mac in Sloonei's pirate game where you tried to get everyone to lynch the mod and then announced your nightkill in the thread and declared it the next day. that was a fun game lol.

Separately, voting espers for now.

Haha best page ever.

https://rateyourmusic.com/board_message ... msg5004566

Epignosis wrote:So my Mafia include Mac, bcornett24, Russtifinko, Black Rock and espers to round it out.

So vote for me then.

Yeah sorry Matt I didn't actually read your green bit. Condolences.

linki: please remind me I cannot remember that

Matt F wrote:Btw Roxy, if you'd like, I'll give you access to my facebook. Then you can see how on August 31st, my dad killed himself. Shortly thereafter, I was evicted. Three weeks ago, I had to give my effing cat of 12 years to the pound because I was not allowed to keep her at the place I am staying, and while I don't work 7 days a week, I do put in 40 hours so seriously

STFU about my life being "rosy"

Taking the rest of the day off. Lynch Mac. Peace

No, don't.

Matt F wrote:MacD - I see you gave Elohcin a "I'm looking at YOU" smiley...please avert your eyes, there's nothing there.

Please don't do that.

linki: Yeah fair enough. It's probably because I have no intention of backing up this game with a second so I couldn't really care less.

Elohcin wrote:I did it! I caught up!

Epignosis wrote:
I'm up against people I don't know shit about dude. I don't agree that I've been gentler and cuddlier, though. I'd say observant.

This is what I see, an observant Epi. Not a bad or SK Epi.

All that said, I am voting Mac. His reaction to all this SK stuff reads to me like a child who got caught stealing candy from the pantry and he's blaming it on his brother.

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:FYI, it appears that epi is somewhat upset at me for being rude. I apologise if anyone was offended. I was trying to make it obvious that it was all in good fun (hence the flowery prose and the post about Matt's dick ) but it may have been misconstrued. I'm not angry, upset or intending to offend and again apologies if I have.

I can assure you that "chaos posting" was a result of the fact that I was losing interest without having people engaging me thinking I was scum. It was boring me.

To be clear, I personally take no offense. I like the word "idiot." But there are others who don't take kindly to those kinds of attacks, and, as a moderator, I have to err on the conservative side. I hope that makes sense.

Good to know haha.

FYI, it appears that epi is somewhat upset at me for being rude. I apologise if anyone was offended. I was trying to make it obvious that it was all in good fun (hence the flowery prose and the post about Matt's dick ) but it may have been misconstrued. I'm not angry, upset or intending to offend and again apologies if I have.

I can assure you that "chaos posting" was a result of the fact that I was losing interest without having people engaging me thinking I was scum. It was boring me.

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Epi, do you genuinely think the case I have against you makes me an idiot? Because I'm quite sure it's well reasoned and thought out and I'm sure most would agree. If this was a case on someone else would you still think it was a stupid case based on nothing?

Let me give you the cliffs again;

1. Abnormal interest in the existence of the role, especially in suggesting we should not focus on it
2. Had a huge running battle with a player deceased at the hands of the serial killer
3. Playing abnormal to your meta
4. Entertaining the idea that a case that has <1% likeliness of being true due to basic role mechanics is actually a possible case against a different SK candidate

So please, tell me how my case is bad? I accept you will say it's wrong whether or not it is, but how exactly is it bad? I don't think you can really find a better case against a rogue in a game this size.

I never called you an idiot. That's your gig.

I suppose sarcastically retorting to me suggesting you are the SK with "and this is coming from the person calling people idiots" is supposed to mean that you think I'm not one.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. I think you are caught and overreacting.

So you genuinely believe Matt's case and that I am the serial killer?

You genuinely believe that;

1. Sorsha selected to give jobs to MattF (who had been tunneling her all game) and myself on night 3.
2. That job was creating a meme in the thread on day 4.
3. That the meme I created was part of said job, not just me creating a lynch poster because lol.
4. That sorsha was able to select a winner after she was deceased via lynch on day 4, despite the role reading evidence to the contrary.

Epignosis, you come before you. I know you are smarter than to believe that. You are hanging yourself by selecting to lie about believing a ridiculous theory to protect yourself.

Here is what I said about Matt's idea:

Epignosis wrote:I'll think about this.

Epignosis wrote:I gotta think about that.

I haven't made up my mind.

I hang myself? Blaming the victim preemptively if you lynch me?

So if I look at your posts, these are the only references I am going to see to you speaking on Matt's case?

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Epi, do you genuinely think the case I have against you makes me an idiot? Because I'm quite sure it's well reasoned and thought out and I'm sure most would agree. If this was a case on someone else would you still think it was a stupid case based on nothing?

Let me give you the cliffs again;

1. Abnormal interest in the existence of the role, especially in suggesting we should not focus on it
2. Had a huge running battle with a player deceased at the hands of the serial killer
3. Playing abnormal to your meta
4. Entertaining the idea that a case that has <1% likeliness of being true due to basic role mechanics is actually a possible case against a different SK candidate

So please, tell me how my case is bad? I accept you will say it's wrong whether or not it is, but how exactly is it bad? I don't think you can really find a better case against a rogue in a game this size.

I never called you an idiot. That's your gig.

I suppose sarcastically retorting to me suggesting you are the SK with "and this is coming from the person calling people idiots" is supposed to mean that you think I'm not one.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. I think you are caught and overreacting.

So you genuinely believe Matt's case and that I am the serial killer?

You genuinely believe that;

1. Sorsha selected to give jobs to MattF (who had been tunneling her all game) and myself on night 3.
2. That job was creating a meme in the thread on day 4.
3. That the meme I created was part of said job, not just me creating a lynch poster because lol.
4. That sorsha was able to select a winner after she was deceased via lynch on day 4, despite the role reading evidence to the contrary.

Epignosis, you come before you. I know you are smarter than to believe that. You are hanging yourself by selecting to lie about believing a ridiculous theory to protect yourself.

Sorry I would check but I'm covert posting at work.

When did Black Rock sub into the game? Was it before or after LC was lynched?

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Epi, do you genuinely think the case I have against you makes me an idiot? Because I'm quite sure it's well reasoned and thought out and I'm sure most would agree. If this was a case on someone else would you still think it was a stupid case based on nothing?

Let me give you the cliffs again;

1. Abnormal interest in the existence of the role, especially in suggesting we should not focus on it
2. Had a huge running battle with a player deceased at the hands of the serial killer
3. Playing abnormal to your meta
4. Entertaining the idea that a case that has <1% likeliness of being true due to basic role mechanics is actually a possible case against a different SK candidate

So please, tell me how my case is bad? I accept you will say it's wrong whether or not it is, but how exactly is it bad? I don't think you can really find a better case against a rogue in a game this size.

I never called you an idiot. That's your gig.

I suppose sarcastically retorting to me suggesting you are the SK with "and this is coming from the person calling people idiots" is supposed to mean that you think I'm not one.

Epi, do you genuinely think the case I have against you makes me an idiot? Because I'm quite sure it's well reasoned and thought out and I'm sure most would agree. If this was a case on someone else would you still think it was a stupid case based on nothing?

Let me give you the cliffs again;

1. Abnormal interest in the existence of the role, especially in suggesting we should not focus on it
2. Had a huge running battle with a player deceased at the hands of the serial killer
3. Playing abnormal to your meta
4. Entertaining the idea that a case that has <1% likeliness of being true due to basic role mechanics is actually a possible case against a different SK candidate

So please, tell me how my case is bad? I accept you will say it's wrong whether or not it is, but how exactly is it bad? I don't think you can really find a better case against a rogue in a game this size.

I note that psycho killer's role has secrets, so there's nothing to say it can't bypass double targeting rules like Making Flippy Floppy can. But that is a valid point about the future of the role, doesn't refute anything.

Epignosis wrote:
No double targeting. Psycho Killer can't target the same person two Nights in a row.

Where does it say that?

People who come up with crazy theories are almost always townies. Scum players sit around criticising the theories and elaborating. Not manifesting. He's probably my strongest town read.

No I wasn't. I was just having a larf Christos.

Choutas wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I can only deduce that anyone who is saying "You are making good points about Mac" or that they've read the recent pages and I look bad, haven't actually read the pages and are actually scum phoning it in. You make me sick.

I am not judging your(you and Matt's) theories, they're theories end of story. Your response to him though was ridiculously suss. You started saying mean stuff and lost your cool.

A regular Mac would have taken Matt's ideas and make a case against him and possibly lynch him.
Your defensiveness was suss. WGetting lynched as scum over something you didn't do would infuriate you I bet.

It is suspicious when I call players out and say nasty things to them when they are making irrational cases against me and tunneling?

Is it really?

Also, why would I make a case against him and get him lynch him for being wrong? I don't think he's scum I think he's wrong. I can't see a scum player playing like he is and he didn't fail the SK test, epi did.

That last point is absolutely true, but getting lynched as town over something I didn't do infuriates me just as much.

I can see why you are feeling like you do though, you probably are a little bit annoyed at me personally and embarrassed on my behalf due to you and I knowing one another quite well and me representing myself without tact... Sorry for making you feel that way.

linki: So I'm damned if I do damned if I don't elohcin? What is a defense if it's not what I did.

I don't think you've read the entire case on epi at any rate. There's more to it than being the most interested in the role.

If you are town, can you please take the time to read posts rather than skim them and then make posts that are based on nothing but the reflection on your retina of what you thought you fucking saw? Sheesh.

Elohcin wrote:

Matt F wrote:Btw RIP rdw and Golden.

Golden, I'll miss ya bud. I was hoping to make a three way civvie link fence with you and Elohcin, but now I guess not.

Elohcin - (Q) What does a dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac spend most of time doing? (A) Staying up all night wondering if there really is a dog.

LOL, you;re a sweetheart.

Matt F wrote: Elohcin, if not Mac, who are you looking at today?

Linki - Dr Wilgy, you might've missed my post. Do I owe you a thank you?

You make good points about Mac. I am looking at bcorn, choutas, and still Floyd. I am seven pages behind atm though so I will wait to comment specifics for now. I am hoping to catch up this evening and get my bearings.

What points does he make that are good exactly?

Choutas wrote:

Matt F wrote:

MacDougall wrote:In this thread right now we have Matt trying to convince people that either;

a) a dead player was able to cast an action after they died
b) a player was able to select a winner before they completed their job

Dude. You are killing me. I have never met anybody who tunnels so bad.

I think your reaction to all of this says it all. If it was really as wild and idiotic as you'd like people to believe, I think you would've actually laughed it off as such. But ever since you claimed that you didn't give a f*ck about this theory and that you'd go back to lurking, you've doen a complete 180, accusing me of being the SK, and then making a post attempting to read every single player to find the SK, etc etc. I don't think you would've gone to these great lengths if you didn't think my case had merit...which it does.

Sorsha used her job power on Night 3, and therefore, had the ability to pick a winner from the power she used on NIGHT 3 when she was alive. IMO

This post is making a lot of sense tbh. I have no idea which roles did what but Mac's reaction was horrible and to think he was my most trusted townie before going back and actually read the last seven 10 pages. Mac has been hitting wildly. Like a boxer who has lost the fight, he's in the last round, the winner is playing defensively and Mac is swingin' wildly missing about half of his punches. Seriously Mac what the hell.

Actually no, you will find it doesn't. And you of all people questioning my response to him as though it's some sort of tell on me sets of pings on you like nothing I've ever felt before. That last line I can feel the insincerity in it.

I can only deduce that anyone who is saying "You are making good points about Mac" or that they've read the recent pages and I look bad, haven't actually read the pages and are actually scum phoning it in. You make me sick.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Cool now do me.

Your vote on Sorsha.

Your theory that you have taken as fact.

Your shift in playstyle from scumhunting to shit-flinging. Rather than defend yourself from Matt's theory, you came up with a new (albeit reasonable) theory to try to disprove him. You have pushed extremely hard back against Matt, but without having any interest in lynching Matt. I don't believe that sort of effort would come from a civvie mindset.

Hmm I feel like all these reasons are non genuine in nature. My vote on sorsha ... okay me and 9 others. My theory I have taken as fact? Care to elaborate? I've not legitimately taken it as fact?

My shift in playstyle? A result of boredom.

How can you say that "Rather than defend myself from Matt's theory, you came up with a new theory to disprove him."? If that's not a reasonable response what is? How does one defend themselves from an insane theory other than by telling the guy his theory makes no sense and then finding the more likely one? What exactly about that isn't logical?

I have pushed back against him hard because he is incorrigible. I have been on him all game for tunneling people and now he's started tunneling me for a bullshit reason. You will find that when I see people I think are townies playing poorly, they always cop my wrath.

But that second to last point worries me. You have added a perfectly reasonable response in as a reason to have a scum read on someone and for that you have really attracted my attention.

Your vote broke a 7-7 tie. Even you did not ignore the significance after the lynch. Your theory taken as fact? You called it an explanation, where as the rest of us still consider it a theory because there is nothing to prove it beyond that.

A result of boredom? Fine, I understand that feeling. Who's your top 6 per DrWilgy's request?

Matt's theory had a hole in it, but you didn't care to point that out, at least not until several other players already did. So calling it bullshit before it was proved bullshit was unwarranted. I also misspoke, as your new theory did not disprove his theory, it countered it.

Matt is incorrigible, I can see that.

If you are a civ, what good will it do to exact your wrath on another player you think is civilian?

Eh the vote is what it is. I was quite forthcoming about my stance during that whole situation. My vote was on sorsha not long before that anyway. I unvoted her to vote for motel room and MattF jokingly because I'd made my mind up to lynch sorsha way earlier in the day. My vote wasn't going anywhere other than there.

The explanation post was me mucking around.

You'll find that other players had pointed out the hole in the theory before I even came online and saw Matt's case. At first I found it mildly amusing and assumed that whichever player it was that pointed out that sorsha was dead would have put the conversation to rest but after a while he frustrated me when he refused to see sense and reason. You can probably see where I went from playful to angry if you look carefully enough.

If I see a civilian making foolish moves, how does criticising their play not assist town? Should I just allow him to lynch me with reckless abandon? Dude come on. This isn't even a scumread it's just you pointing out what I did and saying "what you did is why I think you are scum". Anyone else could say the exact same thing in reverse. Like this;

"MacDougall's reaction to being accused was to find a better solution to the double kill and find a good candidate for an actual serial killer. That's a pretty damn good response." Don't you think?

At this point there is a lot of play and a lot of reasons to go on, especially vocal players, so it doesn't surprise me that I have earned the suspicion of some. I wouldn't have it any other way. If I don't have scum players believing I am lynchable then I'm not playing the way I want to play.

Gun to head top 6 as of right now.

Devin
Diiny
Metalmarsh
bcornett24
fingersplints
Floyd

DrWilgy wrote:

MacDougall wrote:DrWilgy, Sig... Speak.

Sup?

Thanks for the response MM. I'll note it down as soon as I'm home from work.

Just wanted to say hi.

Bullzeye wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Saw Epi pop into the thread then for a second ... Where'd you go mate?

Aww don't be that guy... This is why most people have themselves set to invisible.

Oh, sorry. I thought it was cool. Saw someone else doing it before? Also saw a guy noticing dead players reading the thread and using that as part of his case. Apologies though, won't do it again.

DrWilgy, Sig... Speak.

Saw Epi pop into the thread then for a second ... Where'd you go mate?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Cool now do me.

Your vote on Sorsha.

Your theory that you have taken as fact.

Your shift in playstyle from scumhunting to shit-flinging. Rather than defend yourself from Matt's theory, you came up with a new (albeit reasonable) theory to try to disprove him. You have pushed extremely hard back against Matt, but without having any interest in lynching Matt. I don't believe that sort of effort would come from a civvie mindset.

Hmm I feel like all these reasons are non genuine in nature. My vote on sorsha ... okay me and 9 others. My theory I have taken as fact? Care to elaborate? I've not legitimately taken it as fact?

My shift in playstyle? A result of boredom.

How can you say that "Rather than defend myself from Matt's theory, you came up with a new theory to disprove him."? If that's not a reasonable response what is? How does one defend themselves from an insane theory other than by telling the guy his theory makes no sense and then finding the more likely one? What exactly about that isn't logical?

I have pushed back against him hard because he is incorrigible. I have been on him all game for tunneling people and now he's started tunneling me for a bullshit reason. You will find that when I see people I think are townies playing poorly, they always cop my wrath.

But that second to last point worries me. You have added a perfectly reasonable response in as a reason to have a scum read on someone and for that you have really attracted my attention.

Cool now do me.

Right you are.

What about this day being a rogue hunt isn't worthwhile?

It doesn't matter anyway... already found him.

It's 11.10pm? I sleep starting about now for the next 8 hours or so.

I think it's probably slightly more likely that there was a literal doubled serial killer attempt and one failed, but I suppose both are possible.

How would Golden have been killed in that case?

That's a good point actually. If we have a thoughtful killer they might not necessarily target Girlfriend is Better again tonight.

Syndicate players, can I get some input on whether epi is playing differently in this game than usual?