The Syndicate

Interesting. The strongest "ping". What if you didn't get one at all. Or you arrived late to the thread and didn't have the opportunity to read it all? Would you just put your vote on whichever person had a few votes and you thought was less effective a townie say? Is that a fair indication of what you would do?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:MacDougall, I think you said that.

Weren't you just telling me you would do anything that I say?

Excuse me sir I am terribly sorry but I have no idea what your first sentence is in relation to. Can you please explore that idea a little more for me?

You just said you will not be voting Matt F today. Choosing not to vote for him for policy lynch reasons is one thing but declaring that you will not be voting for him at all, at this point of the day, is highly unusual.

Your second sentence, sure I would do anything you ask me to Metalmarsh. What do you want me to do?

linki: What's a Vompatti?

You asked me "Who said anything about doing it every game"?

I reminded you that you said that.

I want you to uncover some significant evidence that Matt F is worth lynching today so that I can eat my words. Can you do that for me Mac?

Encouraging the policy lynch of Matt in every game we play together =/= policy lynching every game. Only ones that he is in.

See this is interesting because I would argue that unless ANYONE discovers significant evidence that SOMEONE ELSE should be lynched then I would consider Matt worth lynching. You might disagree?

Metalmarsh if there was no significant evidence or case on anyone by the end of the day. Where would your vote end up?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:MacDougall, I think you said that.

Weren't you just telling me you would do anything that I say?

Excuse me sir I am terribly sorry but I have no idea what your first sentence is in relation to. Can you please explore that idea a little more for me?

You just said you will not be voting Matt F today. Choosing not to vote for him for policy lynch reasons is one thing but declaring that you will not be voting for him at all, at this point of the day, is highly unusual.

Your second sentence, sure I would do anything you ask me to Metalmarsh. What do you want me to do?

linki: What's a Vompatti?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I do not believe policy lynches can occur after day 1 so if this fails to occur I won't push for a policy lynch on him again.

And no, not really. This discussion should get people motivated to talk. It should influence a lot of play. It will help incentivise conversation on day 1 that could lead to genuine cases. Better that than we start by just asking about the weather. Let the games begin.

Policy-lynching a player Day 1 every game is unproductive, especially if you declare such a plan.

I will no be voting for Matt F today.

So you will not be voting for Matt F even if significant evidence comes out in the thread that should encourage his lynch for not policy lynch reasons? Interesting.

And who said anything about doing it every game?

on Metalmarsh

Black Rock wrote:This is the first I have heard of policy lynches and I don't think it's in anyone's best interest.

Is it? That's interesting.

Let me explain.

A policy lynch is when you lynch a player based on predisposed conditions that player brings to a game and can only really occur on day 1 or on a very poorly managed day 2 in my opinion. From my observations MattF's influence on a game as town is negative. Unless a scum case is made that is compelling then a policy lynch is preferable in my opinion.

Take this hypothetical for instance.

If the town had no unanimous lynch candidate on day 1. If there were no decent cases going around. Would it not be in the best interest of the town to remove a player based on their value to the town as a townie, who may also simple be as likely to be scum as any other random player? This is why policy lynches exist and why they are used, albeit rather infrequently, on some mafia websites that I have frequented in the past.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Policy_Lynch

linki: That's perfectly fine Golden. If you believe he is valuable enough to not support a policy lynch against him I can totally respect that. I disagree but you have more experience with him than I.

I do not believe policy lynches can occur after day 1 so if this fails to occur I won't push for a policy lynch on him again.

And no, not really. This discussion should get people motivated to talk. It should influence a lot of play. It will help incentivise conversation on day 1 that could lead to genuine cases. Better that than we start by just asking about the weather. Let the games begin.

Golden wrote:MacDougall has claimed a policy lynch of tunnelling on someone who he considers is unhelpful to scum-hunting effort because he tunnels.

Are you confused or are you deliberately mislabeling the play? Tunneling is not the same as calling for a policy lynch on someone.

Golden wrote:Hey, Mac, I've actually experienced a game where I went very deep, as a civilian, with MattF on my back the entire game.

You have only experienced a brief time in a game, when you were actually bad, when MattF tunnelled you to the advantage of the town for a very short period of the time.

So, I'm not sure why you would feel the need to be aggrieved? MattF, I have only ever seen tunnel because he has actual reasons he thinks you are bad. You just seem to be doing something personal.

Do you actually intend to follow it through, or are you just making a point?

Orange - Good, so you will understand how challenging it would be to operate as a functional town player when he does that?

Green - Do you believe that what Matt accomplished by getting me lynched is something that he should claim as a win? If no, then why are you doing it for him? If yes, then wouldn't you similarly say that if I provoke him based on what you perceive as nonsense and he spills out scum tells then there is justification for what I have done?

You should go back and read how that played out. He did not make a logical case on me. He assumed I was the SK because I made a lynch poster in photoshop and had in his mind that night actions rationalised that that made me the serial killer, when a simple reading of the actual role he was referencing shows that it's not possible. My reaction to that was not the reason I was lynched exclusively either. My lynch was a result of analysis of my play that came before that. Many of the players in the game read my reaction to it as town. Some didn't. The actual case that got me lynched was analysis of where I placed my votes before that.

Blue - I find his play style disruptive to town efforts. At this point of the game policy lynches are possible. Either he flips anti-town or we remove someone who I feel is disruptive to genuine scum hunting efforts. This isn't personal at all. This is business. Matt seems like an affable guy outside the confines of forums mafia and I harbour no ill will to him.

That being said, I do not give a damn that it looks like I am upset about me getting lynched in the other game. To claim that of me is being petulant. I would not do the same to those who were actually genuinely responsible for my lynch in that game. Getting lynched as scum does not bother me at all. His dealings with me are only a small part of what I observed Matt do in the other game. His behavior is pattern and it's troubling.

MattF has displayed in the one game I played a propensity to disrupt legitimate scum hunting activities with extremely thorough miscalculation based cases on players who turned out to be townies. He repeats himself ad nauseum and does not listen to reason. He has an inability to doubt himself once he makes a synapse connection. This last point is the kicker.

Red - I will be following it through.

My point is made. There is no point further harping on about it. I believe I make a valid point but you might feel differently. If this comes across as a little bit mean then so be it. In the Game of Forums Mafia you win or you die.

It appears you are beginning to feel what it's like to play with you.

MattF is the perfect day 1 lynch in every game he plays. As a townie he distracts from genuine scum hunting with tunneling, a lack of focus and volumes upon volumes of posts trying to get people to ignore their genuine scum hunting efforts and follow his uninspired scumdar ... and of course there is as good a chance that he's scum as anybody else. He's a policy lynch for me in every game he plays. I make no apologies for this.

sig wrote:Kinda early to vote Mac isn't it?

What is an ornithopter?

It is my modus operandi as a mafia player on this website to tunnel MattF in every game until one of us are dead. You are officially forewarned of my intention in every game we both play in.

Matt F wrote:

MacDougall wrote:MattF

Explain to us Matt why you should not be lynched on day 1 for being you.

I don't really have a good answer for that one. But I assure you I am a civilian!

A civilian hey? In this game? Interesting.

Vote for this guy.

Haha shit votes aren't changeable in this one.

Oh well MattF it is.

I have it on good authority that he is scum.

linki: I would do anything you asked me to Metalmarsh except I already voted and can't change it. What's your case though? I actually got pinged by turnip head's NFL post somehow. But that's probably because I am a genius level scum hunter.

MattF

Explain to us Matt why you should not be lynched on day 1 for being you.

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Soooo... where is everyone?

I'm at home, watching Monday Night Football.

Mathieu is such a badass.

Or maybe the spice is actually a test to see who the greedy fuckers are and this is actually Saw.

Floyd seems much more comfortable. Must be town.

sig wrote:As tricky as your question I would say.

Hang on MattF is playing.

Placeholder vote for MattF.

sig wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Sig picked the gun when he had choices ergo he's a killer and easy day 1 lynch.

Already trying to set me up for a lynch Mac?

Is that a trick question?

Sig picked the gun when he had choices ergo he's a killer and easy day 1 lynch.